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[Alias]

John B. Slocomb wrote:
>
> IT Facts
> Alex Moskalyuk
>
> Home / News& Blogs / IT Facts
> Linux servers hacked more frequently than Windows
>
> By ZDNet Research | February 19, 2004, 8:21am PST
> Summary
> A more specific analysis of government servers also found Linux more
> susceptible, accounting for 57% of all breaches. The research did not
> include other methods of intrusion such as viruses and worms.
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

Six year old article that is obviously biased. You *really* are desperate.
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[Alias]

Tony Yarwood wrote:
>
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:03:43 +0200, Alias
> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/16/2010 02:48 PM, Tony Yarwood wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 093:41 +0700, John B. Slocomb
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I agree, at the moment. The point that I was trying to make is that if
>>>> Linux ever gains a dominant position in the computer world that the
>>>> amount of Linux mal-ware will increase proportionally.
>>>>
>>> Root kits were originally designed for Unix systems.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Tony
>>
>> Yet there are only used on Windows boxes.
>
> You're knowledge is about as bad as your English.
>
> Best regards
>
> Tony
>
> Google ain't your friend.
> More privacy, no tracking.
> http://clusty.com/
>
> I block all posts from googlegroups. If you wish your thoughts
> to be seen by everyone you'll have to find a different method of
> posting.

Gosh you caught a typo. Do you think you've earn a gold star on your
forehead?

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Alias

 

[Alias]

John B. Slocomb wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:03:43 +0200, Alias
> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/16/2010 02:48 PM, Tony Yarwood wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 093:41 +0700, John B. Slocomb
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I agree, at the moment. The point that I was trying to make is that if
>>>> Linux ever gains a dominant position in the computer world that the
>>>> amount of Linux mal-ware will increase proportionally.
>>>>
>>> Root kits were originally designed for Unix systems.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Tony
>>
>> Yet there are only used on Windows boxes.
>
> First of all, it is "they're",

No shit. Ever hear of typos? Oh, I forgot, you're perfect and expect
everyone else to be the same or you will put them down until the
fucking cows come home.

> but ignoring that root-kits were used
> on Linux systems, after all, why else were they named "root-kits",
> that is a Unix/Linux term.
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

It may be a Linux term but it's used extensively with Windows and much
more successfully than with Linux.

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Alias

 

[DanS]

Bob I <[email protected]> wrote in
news[email protected]:

>
>
> On 5/15/2010 7:43 PM, DanS wrote:
>> Bob I<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> The reason that "Linux" isn't targeted is that there
>>> aren't enough installations to bother with. Lets face it,
>>> if the Mariposa botnet was counted as separate OS, it
>>> would have more users than Linux!
>>
>> You are confirming is that Windows is the imminent target
>> of spyware/malware writers ? (Which was the original point
>> of this thread branch.)
>>
>> It doesn't matter why. At this time, Windows is more
>> susceptible than Linux.
>
> Ah yes, the old "Security through Obscurity" ploy.
> Susceptible!=Vulnerable

What is obscure ?

Do the virii/malware/spyware writers not know that Linux
exists ?

These developers can't get their hands on a Liux distro to
experiment ?

 

[DanS]

"Death" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "DanS" <[email protected]> wrote
> in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>> It doesn't matter why. At this time, Windows is more
>>>> susceptible than Linux.
>>>
>>> People with money are more likely to be robbed.
>>> No duh...moron.
>>> Were you born stupid, or did a brick land in your brain
>>> cavity?
>>>
>>
>> And just so I'm completely clear, *you* have nothing
>> intelligent to say, so you just spit out insults and an
>> insinuation that Linux users are poor.
>>
>> ........you are a Linux user also.
>
<SNIPPED OFF-TOPIC COMMENTS>

 

[John B. Slocomb]

On Mon, 17 May 2010 12:04:52 +0200, Alias
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>
>> IT Facts
>> Alex Moskalyuk
>>
>> Home / News& Blogs / IT Facts
>> Linux servers hacked more frequently than Windows
>>
>> By ZDNet Research | February 19, 2004, 8:21am PST
>> Summary
>> A more specific analysis of government servers also found Linux more
>> susceptible, accounting for 57% of all breaches. The research did not
>> include other methods of intrusion such as viruses and worms.
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
>Six year old article that is obviously biased. You *really* are desperate.

Are you saying that as of NOW the servers aren't being hacked into?
That the percentages have changed radically?

And as far as six year old articles you will notice that I carefully
included the date when I quoted it. Unlike you I'm not trying to pull
the wool over anyone's eyes.

John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

 

[John B. Slocomb]

On Mon, 17 May 2010 12:089 +0200, Alias
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:03:43 +0200, Alias
>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/16/2010 02:48 PM, Tony Yarwood wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 093:41 +0700, John B. Slocomb
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree, at the moment. The point that I was trying to make is that if
>>>>> Linux ever gains a dominant position in the computer world that the
>>>>> amount of Linux mal-ware will increase proportionally.
>>>>>
>>>> Root kits were originally designed for Unix systems.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>
>>> Yet there are only used on Windows boxes.
>>
>> First of all, it is "they're",
>
>No shit. Ever hear of typos? Oh, I forgot, you're perfect and expect
>everyone else to be the same or you will put them down until the
>fucking cows come home.

A typo? Actually it was the third of your posts that I noticed the
same typo in...

>
>> but ignoring that root-kits were used
>> on Linux systems, after all, why else were they named "root-kits",
>> that is a Unix/Linux term.
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
>It may be a Linux term but it's used extensively with Windows and much
>more successfully than with Linux.

Actually it was a Unix term and taken over by every system that uses
more then one directory.
John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

 

[John B. Slocomb]

On Mon, 17 May 2010 13:47:05 +0700, John B. Slocomb
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:40:46 +0200, Alias
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 12:15:17 +0200, Alias
>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/16/2010 04:03 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:02:52 +0200, Alias
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>>>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>>>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>>>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>>>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>>>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>>>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>>>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>>>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>>>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>>>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>>>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>>>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>>>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>>>>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>>>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>>>>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>>>>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>>>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>>>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>>>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>>>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>>>>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>>>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>>>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>>>>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>>>>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>>>>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>>>>>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>>>>>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>>>>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>>>>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>>>>>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>>>>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>>>>>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Results - no virus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>>>>>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>>>>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>>>>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>>>>>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>>>>>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>>>>>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>>>>>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly. Once I had
>>>>>
>>>>> That sounds quite modern - automatic updates. Of course Windows offers
>>>>> that service, if you want it.
>>>>> However I consider it a bit risky as at least twice I have updated
>>>>> Linux and in one case OpenOffice stopped running and in another the
>>>>> Nvidia display stopped working.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hardly the miracle that you represent it to be.
>>>>
>>>> Not my experience and you are expecting me to believe you without any
>>>> proof? Can you say "hypocrite"?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>>>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>>>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>>>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>>>>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>>>>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be talking about three different things here. (1),
>>>>> updating software; (2), de fragmenting a disk; and (3), mal-ware. None
>>>>> of which have any relationship to the other.
>>>>
>>>> I was giving an example of a Windows box that wasn't updated and what
>>>> happens to Windows boxes that don't update. The lack of defragging was
>>>> just another sign of how many home users "maintain" their computers.
>>>
>>> So not defraging the disk is a sign of an ignorant, lazy, Windows
>>> user?
>>
>>Ignorant, yes. Lazy, no.
>>
>>>
>>> So tell us oh Great and Omnipotent Ubuntu User; how often do you
>>> defrag your Linux disks?
>>
>>Never.
>>
>>>
>>> If a failure to defrag a Windows disk is a mortal sin then it must be
>>> equally true for the Ubuntu User.
>>
>>No, it isn't.
>>
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>>You must have had 12 cups of coffee you're pissing so much.
>
>
>Gee, not de-fragging the disk is a mortal sin for the Windows user but
>the Linux users have some sort of dispensation and don't have to
>de-frag?
>
>Tell us more about this pseudo religion you seem to have invented.
>
>John B. Slocomb
>(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

Alias, I am feeling very left out here. I asked you a legitimate
technical question and you failed to answer me. Like to take a shot at
explaining why you say that it is terrible when a Windows user doesn't
de-frag his disk but a Linux user doesn't need to de-frag his?

A little technical discussion to liven up the thread?

John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

 

[Alias]

John B. Slocomb wrote:
> On Mon, 17 May 2010 13:47:05 +0700, John B. Slocomb
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:40:46 +0200, Alias
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 12:15:17 +0200, Alias
>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 05/16/2010 04:03 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:02:52 +0200, Alias
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>>>>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>>>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>>>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>>>>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>>>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>>>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>>>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>>>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>>>>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>>>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>>>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>>>>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>>>>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>>>>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>>>>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>>>>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>>>>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>>>>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>>>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>>>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>>>>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>>>>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>>>>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>>>>>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>>>>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>>>>>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>>>>>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>>>>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>>>>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>>>>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>>>>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>>>>>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>>>>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>>>>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>>>>>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>>>>>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>>>>>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>>>>>>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>>>>>>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>>>>>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>>>>>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>>>>>>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>>>>>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>>>>>>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Results - no virus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>>>>>>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>>>>>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>>>>>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>>>>>>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>>>>>>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>>>>>>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>>>>>>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly. Once I had
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That sounds quite modern - automatic updates. Of course Windows offers
>>>>>> that service, if you want it.
>>>>>> However I consider it a bit risky as at least twice I have updated
>>>>>> Linux and in one case OpenOffice stopped running and in another the
>>>>>> Nvidia display stopped working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hardly the miracle that you represent it to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not my experience and you are expecting me to believe you without any
>>>>> proof? Can you say "hypocrite"?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>>>>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>>>>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>>>>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>>>>>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>>>>>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be talking about three different things here. (1),
>>>>>> updating software; (2), de fragmenting a disk; and (3), mal-ware. None
>>>>>> of which have any relationship to the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was giving an example of a Windows box that wasn't updated and what
>>>>> happens to Windows boxes that don't update. The lack of defragging was
>>>>> just another sign of how many home users "maintain" their computers.
>>>>
>>>> So not defraging the disk is a sign of an ignorant, lazy, Windows
>>>> user?
>>>
>>> Ignorant, yes. Lazy, no.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So tell us oh Great and Omnipotent Ubuntu User; how often do you
>>>> defrag your Linux disks?
>>>
>>> Never.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If a failure to defrag a Windows disk is a mortal sin then it must be
>>>> equally true for the Ubuntu User.
>>>
>>> No, it isn't.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>
>>> You must have had 12 cups of coffee you're pissing so much.
>>
>>
>> Gee, not de-fragging the disk is a mortal sin for the Windows user but
>> the Linux users have some sort of dispensation and don't have to
>> de-frag?
>>
>> Tell us more about this pseudo religion you seem to have invented.
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> Alias, I am feeling very left out here. I asked you a legitimate
> technical question and you failed to answer me. Like to take a shot at
> explaining why you say that it is terrible when a Windows user doesn't
> de-frag his disk but a Linux user doesn't need to de-frag his?
>
> A little technical discussion to liven up the thread?
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_...operating_system_and_windows_operating_system

http://polishlinux.org/linux/windows-vs-linux-architecture-part-i/

http://www.astahost.com/info.php/What39s-Difference-Linux-Unix33_t2124.html#Latest_Entry

http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2006/08/17/why_doesn_t_linux_need_defragmenting

Need more?

Try using this: http://www.google.com/ and stop being such a twit.

--
Alias

 

[Frank]

On 5/17/2010 83 AM, Alias wrote:
> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 May 2010 13:47:05 +0700, John B. Slocomb
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:40:46 +0200, Alias
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 12:15:17 +0200, Alias
>>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/16/2010 04:03 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:02:52 +0200, Alias
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>>>>>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and who the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. No need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> have that
>>>>>>>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present
>>>>>>>>>>>> version and not
>>>>>>>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Overall, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows still
>>>>>>>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I,
>>>>>>>>>>>> for one,
>>>>>>>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>>>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential
>>>>>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products
>>>>>>>>>>>> into one
>>>>>>>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in
>>>>>>>>>>>> (most?)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way
>>>>>>>>>>>> to find,
>>>>>>>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do
>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using
>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do
>>>>>>>>>>> a job
>>>>>>>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>> your Linux
>>>>>>>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>>>>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>>>>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings
>>>>>>>>>>> back and
>>>>>>>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated
>>>>>>>>>>> drawing
>>>>>>>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the
>>>>>>>>>>> "As-builts"
>>>>>>>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request
>>>>>>>>>>> that both a
>>>>>>>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if
>>>>>>>>>>> any form
>>>>>>>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare
>>>>>>>>>>> exceptions
>>>>>>>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the
>>>>>>>>>>> job", but
>>>>>>>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on
>>>>>>>>>>> it you
>>>>>>>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not
>>>>>>>>>>> what you
>>>>>>>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a
>>>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest
>>>>>>>>>>> drawing
>>>>>>>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle
>>>>>>>>>>> of a 100
>>>>>>>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building
>>>>>>>>>>> a gas
>>>>>>>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good
>>>>>>>>>>> time to
>>>>>>>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating
>>>>>>>>>>> system Linux
>>>>>>>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at
>>>>>>>>>> least for
>>>>>>>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they
>>>>>>>>>> do with
>>>>>>>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux
>>>>>>>>>> distro.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game
>>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do
>>>>>>>>> periodic virus
>>>>>>>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>>>>>>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>>>>>>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the
>>>>>>>>> installed
>>>>>>>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>>>>>>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box.
>>>>>>>>> Probably not
>>>>>>>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Results - no virus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20
>>>>>>>>> years and
>>>>>>>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>>>>>>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>>>>>>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive
>>>>>>>>> problems with
>>>>>>>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall
>>>>>>>>> or are
>>>>>>>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>>>>>>>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>>>>>>>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly. Once
>>>>>>>> I had
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sounds quite modern - automatic updates. Of course Windows
>>>>>>> offers
>>>>>>> that service, if you want it.
>>>>>>> However I consider it a bit risky as at least twice I have updated
>>>>>>> Linux and in one case OpenOffice stopped running and in another the
>>>>>>> Nvidia display stopped working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hardly the miracle that you represent it to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not my experience and you are expecting me to believe you without any
>>>>>> proof? Can you say "hypocrite"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>>>>>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>>>>>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>>>>>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You seem to be talking about three different things here. (1),
>>>>>>> updating software; (2), de fragmenting a disk; and (3), mal-ware.
>>>>>>> None
>>>>>>> of which have any relationship to the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was giving an example of a Windows box that wasn't updated and what
>>>>>> happens to Windows boxes that don't update. The lack of defragging
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> just another sign of how many home users "maintain" their computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> So not defraging the disk is a sign of an ignorant, lazy, Windows
>>>>> user?
>>>>
>>>> Ignorant, yes. Lazy, no.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So tell us oh Great and Omnipotent Ubuntu User; how often do you
>>>>> defrag your Linux disks?
>>>>
>>>> Never.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If a failure to defrag a Windows disk is a mortal sin then it must be
>>>>> equally true for the Ubuntu User.
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>
>>>> You must have had 12 cups of coffee you're pissing so much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gee, not de-fragging the disk is a mortal sin for the Windows user but
>>> the Linux users have some sort of dispensation and don't have to
>>> de-frag?
>>>
>>> Tell us more about this pseudo religion you seem to have invented.
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>> Alias, I am feeling very left out here. I asked you a legitimate
>> technical question and you failed to answer me. Like to take a shot at
>> explaining why you say that it is terrible when a Windows user doesn't
>> de-frag his disk but a Linux user doesn't need to de-frag his?
>>
>> A little technical discussion to liven up the thread?
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_...operating_system_and_windows_operating_system
>
>
> http://polishlinux.org/linux/windows-vs-linux-architecture-part-i/
>
> http://www.astahost.com/info.php/What39s-Difference-Linux-Unix33_t2124.html#Latest_Entry
>
>
> http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2006/08/17/why_doesn_t_linux_need_defragmenting
>
>
> Need more?
>
> Try using this: http://www.google.com/ and stop being such a twit.
>
Translation: alias really doesn't know.
Oops!

 

[Frank]

On 5/17/2010 3:04 AM, Alias wrote:
> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>
>> IT Facts
>> Alex Moskalyuk
>>
>> Home / News& Blogs / IT Facts
>> Linux servers hacked more frequently than Windows
>>
>> By ZDNet Research | February 19, 2004, 8:21am PST
>> Summary
>> A more specific analysis of government servers also found Linux more
>> susceptible, accounting for 57% of all breaches. The research did not
>> include other methods of intrusion such as viruses and worms.
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> Six year old article that is obviously biased. You *really* are desperate.

You just took it up your dumb, stupid, ignorant, arrogant ass.
You liked it huh?
Figures!

 

[Frank]

On 5/17/2010 5:13 AM, DanS wrote:
> Bob I<[email protected]> wrote in
> news[email protected]:
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/15/2010 7:43 PM, DanS wrote:
>>> Bob I<[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> The reason that "Linux" isn't targeted is that there
>>>> aren't enough installations to bother with. Lets face it,
>>>> if the Mariposa botnet was counted as separate OS, it
>>>> would have more users than Linux!
>>>
>>> You are confirming is that Windows is the imminent target
>>> of spyware/malware writers ? (Which was the original point
>>> of this thread branch.)
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter why. At this time, Windows is more
>>> susceptible than Linux.
>>
>> Ah yes, the old "Security through Obscurity" ploy.
>> Susceptible!=Vulnerable
>
> What is obscure ?

Market share.
>
> Do the virii/malware/spyware writers not know that Linux
> exists ?
>
They don't give a shit.

> These developers can't get their hands on a Liux distro to
> experiment ?

Stick to your day job, if you still have one as marketing is about your
pay grade.

 

[Frank]

On 5/17/2010 3:08 AM, Alias wrote:
> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:03:43 +0200, Alias
>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/16/2010 02:48 PM, Tony Yarwood wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 093:41 +0700, John B. Slocomb
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I agree, at the moment. The point that I was trying to make is that if
>>>>> Linux ever gains a dominant position in the computer world that the
>>>>> amount of Linux mal-ware will increase proportionally.
>>>>>
>>>> Root kits were originally designed for Unix systems.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>
>>> Yet there are only used on Windows boxes.
>>
>> First of all, it is "they're",
>
> No shit. Ever hear of typos? Oh, I forgot, you're perfect and expect
> everyone else to be the same or you will put them down until the fucking
> cows come home.
>
>> but ignoring that root-kits were used
>> on Linux systems, after all, why else were they named "root-kits",
>> that is a Unix/Linux term.
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> It may be a Linux term but it's used extensively with Windows and much
> more successfully than with Linux.
>
*BULLSHIT*! It is almost exclusively a linux term.

 

[Mocassin Joe]

"Heywood Jablowme" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> <no_one@no_where.invalid> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Well after working with Vista II, otherwise known as Windows 7, for
>> three months I can see that Microsoft is still incapable of producing
>> a quality OS. So I need to look at some other system to switch to,
>> likely one of the Linux distros.
>>
>> Bill - MN
>> --
>
> So you can't figure out Windows 7? Windows 7 is much better than Vista
> and is very stable. You are probably incompetent and therefore you should
> migrate to Ubuntu. Get with our resident Ubuntu idiot, Alias and he will
> help you out.
>
> Don't let the screen door hit your ass on the way out. LOL!

Uncalled for. You sound like some of the MacFreaks on CSMA.

 

[milt]

On 5/17/2010 2:01 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>
> Very likely true, but then I am dealing with a fool and as they say
> "in Roman do as the Romans do".
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool that keeps arguing and
replying to the fool?

 

[Death]

"DanS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Death" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> "DanS" <[email protected]> wrote
>> in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> It doesn't matter why. At this time, Windows is more
>>>>> susceptible than Linux.
>>>>
>>>> People with money are more likely to be robbed.
>>>> No duh...moron.
>>>> Were you born stupid, or did a brick land in your brain
>>>> cavity?
>>>>
>>>
>>> And just so I'm completely clear, *you* have nothing
>>> intelligent to say, so you just spit out insults and an
>>> insinuation that Linux users are poor.
>>>
>>> ........you are a Linux user also.
>>
> <SNIPPED OFF-TOPIC COMMENTS>
>

Why snip it?
It's exactly why Windows and Office are so popular, and linux is getting
nowhere fast.
Linux and it's apps suck.
Deal with it.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Death]

"John B. Slocomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 076:15 -0400, "Death" <[email protected]>
SNIP

>>> Got proof? <--Alias wrote this, lol, I snipped his name.
>>>
>>
>>Not in my pocket.
>>You may Google "Linux servers Hacked" and read all the resulting links for
>>the next couple of years.
>>Knock yourself out.
>>It happens, dummy.
>>
>
>
> For example:
>
> IT Facts
> Alex Moskalyuk
>
> Home / News & Blogs / IT Facts
> Linux servers hacked more frequently than Windows
>
> By ZDNet Research | February 19, 2004, 8:21am PST
> Summary
> An analysis of hacker attacks on online servers in January by security
> consultancy mi2g found that Linux servers were the most frequently
> violated, accounting for 13,654 successful attacks, or 80% of the
> survey total. Windows ran a distant second with 2,005 attacks.
>
> A more specific analysis of government servers also found Linux more
> susceptible, accounting for 57% of all breaches. The research did not
> include other methods of intrusion such as viruses and worms.
>

Alias couldn't find one that said that.
He's a good hen pecker/ubuntard.
Ask him to find a link bashing Windows...take him 15 seconds(or less, bet he
has a list)

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Heywood Jablowme]

"Mocassin Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Heywood Jablowme" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> <no_one@no_where.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Well after working with Vista II, otherwise known as Windows 7, for
>>> three months I can see that Microsoft is still incapable of producing
>>> a quality OS. So I need to look at some other system to switch to,
>>> likely one of the Linux distros.
>>>
>>> Bill - MN
>>> --
>>
>> So you can't figure out Windows 7? Windows 7 is much better than Vista
>> and is very stable. You are probably incompetent and therefore you
>> should migrate to Ubuntu. Get with our resident Ubuntu idiot, Alias and
>> he will help you out.
>>
>> Don't let the screen door hit your ass on the way out. LOL!
>
> Uncalled for. You sound like some of the MacFreaks on CSMA.
>

You don't like the message? Ignore it. Just FYI.

 

[Heywood Jablowme]

"Alias" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Death wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No
>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential
>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why
>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to
>>>>>>> find,
>>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare
>>>>>> exceptions
>>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job",
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a
>>>>>> 100
>>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system
>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>>>
>>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>>
>>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>>
>>>> Results - no virus.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>>
>>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>
>>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly.
>>
>> Windows,java,Flash,whatever-your-heart-desires gets updated in Windows
>> automatically,dummy.
>> Do you actual run Windows, or do you just despise it?
>
> You're wrong on all counts.
>
>>
>>
>>> Once I had
>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>
>>
>> You re-installed XP cause that is your skill level...stick a DVD/live-CD
>> in a tray, call it "support".
>
> You obviously know nothing about cleaning up Windows machines.
>
> --
> Alias

So you are a PC tech in Spain. I guess that $14k a week you claim to get
just doesn't go very far! LOL!

 

[Heywood Jablowme]

"Alias" <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>> In other words, you are simply enforcing my statement that "At least
>> the problems that they seem to post..."
>>
>> Alias, no one needs to discredit you. You do such a complete job of it
>> all by your self.
>>
>>
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> Do you even read what you post?
>
> --
> Alias

Do you even understand what you read?