On Mon, 17 May 2010 13:47:05 +0700, John B. Slocomb
<johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:40:46 +0200, Alias
><aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>
>>John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 12:15:17 +0200, Alias
>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/16/2010 04:03 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:02:52 +0200, Alias
>>>>> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>>>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>>>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>>>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>>>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>>>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>>>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>>>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>>>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>>>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>>>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>>>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>>>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>>>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>>>>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>>>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>>>>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>>>>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>>>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>>>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>>>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>>>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>>>>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>>>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>>>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>>>>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>>>>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>>>>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>>>>>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>>>>>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>>>>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>>>>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>>>>>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>>>>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>>>>>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Results - no virus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>>>>>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>>>>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>>>>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>>>>>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>>>>>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>>>>>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>>>>>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly. Once I had
>>>>>
>>>>> That sounds quite modern - automatic updates. Of course Windows offers
>>>>> that service, if you want it.
>>>>> However I consider it a bit risky as at least twice I have updated
>>>>> Linux and in one case OpenOffice stopped running and in another the
>>>>> Nvidia display stopped working.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hardly the miracle that you represent it to be.
>>>>
>>>> Not my experience and you are expecting me to believe you without any
>>>> proof? Can you say "hypocrite"?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>>>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>>>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>>>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>>>>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>>>>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be talking about three different things here. (1),
>>>>> updating software; (2), de fragmenting a disk; and (3), mal-ware. None
>>>>> of which have any relationship to the other.
>>>>
>>>> I was giving an example of a Windows box that wasn't updated and what
>>>> happens to Windows boxes that don't update. The lack of defragging was
>>>> just another sign of how many home users "maintain" their computers.
>>>
>>> So not defraging the disk is a sign of an ignorant, lazy, Windows
>>> user?
>>
>>Ignorant, yes. Lazy, no.
>>
>>>
>>> So tell us oh Great and Omnipotent Ubuntu User; how often do you
>>> defrag your Linux disks?
>>
>>Never.
>>
>>>
>>> If a failure to defrag a Windows disk is a mortal sin then it must be
>>> equally true for the Ubuntu User.
>>
>>No, it isn't.
>>
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>>You must have had 12 cups of coffee you're pissing so much.
>
>
>Gee, not de-fragging the disk is a mortal sin for the Windows user but
>the Linux users have some sort of dispensation and don't have to
>de-frag?
>
>Tell us more about this pseudo religion you seem to have invented.
>
>John B. Slocomb
>(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
Alias, I am feeling very left out here. I asked you a legitimate
technical question and you failed to answer me. Like to take a shot at
explaining why you say that it is terrible when a Windows user doesn't
de-frag his disk but a Linux user doesn't need to de-frag his?
A little technical discussion to liven up the thread?
John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)