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Ubuntu, not worth a dime. No wonder they don't charge.

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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
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> Frank wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud
>>>>>>>>>> <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just
>>>>>>>>>>>> about like this
>>>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more
>>>>>>>>>> people to use
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add
>>>>>>>>> packman to the repository so that you can download the win32
>>>>>>>>> codecs and libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this
>>>>>>>>> leads to other dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another
>>>>>>>>> codec needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted
>>>>>>>> Extras.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was
>>>>> missing a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors
>>>>> and downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem
>>>>> tried to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up
>>>>> MPlayer and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to
>>>>> find a solution and I just about gave it up.
>>>>
>>>> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade.
>>>> My experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried
>>>> linux. At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it
>>>> quickly turns into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At
>>>> that point in time, most simply get rid of it.
>>>> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
>>>> sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
>>>> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
>>>> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No
>>>> real focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
>>>> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open
>>>> source is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.
>>>
>>> I've dumped so many distros in the past. That is why I now use VMWare
>>> to try them out. If they don't work, it is very easy to get rid of
>>> them... I just drag and drop the vm image for the distro into the
>>> trash can. VirtualBox, tho it is free, is buggy, so that too went
>>> into the trash can. Linux is ok if you are running it on an IBM
>>> mainframe and program custom apps for business and get IBMs help along
>>> the way. For home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the
>>> final analysis the os that your are using as a host does all that one
>>> needs anyway.
>>
>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows because
>> that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a major effort.
>> The last OS other than Windows that I was excited about was BEos, but
>> Apple killed that one, so now I'm only interested in Windows and I
>> really like 7 and Windows Home Server.
>> Great products!
>>
>>
> I haven't had the time to convince my wife to let me get a new win7
> based PC yet. I'd like to get a quad core HP and also get the new
> Visual Studio 10. I like the Mac running snow leopard. Very easy to
> use. The only problem comes when you want to develop a program for
> heavy duty database use. XCode doesn't have any database templates like
> win2000 had in VS 6.0.
> I remember when I had grub installed to dual boot win2000 and Redhat.
> Then when I just wanted win2000 only and got rid of the grub, all I got
> was missing os error message. I had to go back to use the linux
> installer to reformat the hard drive and then stopped at that point,
> then I had to reinstall win2000. Then it worked ok.

Hmmm....I'd bet....

http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html
1.. Step 1
Insert Win 7 installation DVD and boot from DVD drive. While in some older
systems you may have to change boot order through system BIOS, most newer
systems allow booting from DVD without changing boot order by simply
clicking on any key when prompted to doing so.

2.. Step 2
Choose your default "Language", "Time", and "keyboard Input" on the first
window and click next.

3.. Step 3
You're now presented with 3 choices. Click on "Repair Your Computer" to
gain access to the System Recovery window. Now choose "Command Prompt" in
order to run the desired utility which is called "bootsect.exe". Bootsect is
located inside the boot folder so change your directory to boot. Now run
"bootsect /nt60 C:/" if you had Win 7 initially installed in the C
partition. Alternatively, you can run "bootsect /nt60 SYS" or "bootsect
/nt60 ALL" to repair the system partition or all partitions. Eject the DVD,
and restart computer. Your computer should now boot Win 7 again.
 
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DanS

Flightless Bird
Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote in news:4b758a31@news.x-privat.org:

> DanS wrote:
>> <SNIP>
>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>> the
>>>
>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>> major effort.
>>
>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>> spreading?
>>
>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>
>> For XP:
>>
>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>> C:/> FIXMBR
>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> For Vista/7:
>>
>> Boot to recovery console.
>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot
>> Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>
> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the recovery
> console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until you
> completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as easy as
> it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.

You have no experience. You said you stopped trying Linux distros years
ago.

The real trick is to run the third command in each of those.

I had an XP/Linux install that I removed GRUB from, and running FIXBOOT
and FIXMBR all day long would not fix it. Once the BOOTCFG /rebuild was
run, it fixed it immediately.
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final
>>>>>>>>> analysis
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>>>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>>>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without
>>>>>>>> a major effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>>>>>> spreading?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>>>>>>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For XP:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>>>>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For Vista/7:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>>>>>>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>>>>>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>>>>>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>>>>>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the
>>>>>> recovery console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until
>>>>>> you completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as
>>>>>> easy as it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE
>>>>>> know.
>>>>>> Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying
>>>>>> it...if you even have Vista or 7.
>>>>>> Otherwise, STFU!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
>>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT
>>>>>> NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>>
>>>>> With the low cost of hard drives and computers nowadays, it's
>>>>> stupid to dual boot. I have Windows computers and Ubuntu computers
>>>>> and I'm about to try PCOSLINUX on a spare computer.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Figures you'd miss the point entirely.
>>>> Oops!
>>>
>>> When you have a valid point, alert the media because it will be the
>>> first time.
>>>
>> Hell will freeze over the day you understand the subject matter.
>> Oops!...LOL!
>
> Hell can't freeze over.

....and you'll never understand the subject matter you stupid POS.

Read your Bible, uneducated one. I understand
> this thread perfectly and have done the above many times. You're wrong
> and Dan S is right.

hehehe...sorry cock sucker, but I speak from actual experience, not some
lamers theory.
Oops!
>
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
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> Lord Vetinari wrote:
>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>> news:LuudnaweR43GCPrWnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d@bresnan.com...
>> [snip]
>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>
>> Maybe YOU can't. Sure sounds like sour grapes to me.
> I may sound like that to you, but it really boils down to what the vendors
> have decided to do inside the US mirrors. Not my fault if they feel that
> it is illegal to provide the necessary codecs.

I'm sorry, but you're just plain wrong. If nothing else, you can always use
commercial software to play DVDs.

> Go download Fedora or OpenSuse or Ubuntu from a US mirror... those codecs
> are not included.

Lots of things aren't included...it doesn't make a difference which OS
you're talking about. That doesn't mean that you can't do whatever it is.
I have downloaded all three of those flavors of Linux...AND installed them.
It still isn't all that difficult to get and install the necessary codecs.
Windows doesn't come with all the codecs needed, either.
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
DanS wrote:
> Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote in news:4b758a31@news.x-privat.org:
>
>> DanS wrote:
>>> <SNIP>
>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>>> major effort.
>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>> spreading?
>>>
>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>>
>>> For XP:
>>>
>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>
>>> Done.
>>>
>>> For Vista/7:
>>>
>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot
>>> Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>
>>> Done.
>>>
>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the recovery
>> console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until you
>> completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as easy as
>> it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
>
> You have no experience. You said you stopped trying Linux distros years
> ago.
>
No, I didn't say that. Your butt-fucking buddy alias the sheep-fucker
said that. He is of course a GD liar, as we all know. I have tried
dual-booting linux/Vista/7 at least 3 times withing the last 12 months.
Last summer was the last time I tried it. Nothing concerning linux/grub
has changed within that time period.

> The real trick is to run the third command in each of those.

Listen you dumb fuck, it simple does not work unless you can get rid of,
completely rid of, all of the grub files and folders...and that is not
easily done. Bootrec.exe /rebuildbcd will not override leftover grub
files! Got it?

>
> I had an XP/Linux install that I removed GRUB from, and running FIXBOOT
> and FIXMBR all day long would not fix it. Once the BOOTCFG /rebuild was
> run, it fixed it immediately.

You stupid POS...I'm not talking about XP...I'm talking about Vista/7
that uses Boot Configuration Data (BCD), not boot.ini, got it?

Get back to me when you have installed Vista/7 then a linux distro using
grub, ok?
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
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> Alias wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Lord Vetinari wrote:
>>>>>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:LuudnaweR43GCPrWnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe YOU can't. Sure sounds like sour grapes to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I may sound like that to you, but it really boils down to what the
>>>>> vendors have decided to do inside the US mirrors. Not my fault if
>>>>> they feel that it is illegal to provide the necessary codecs.
>>>>> Go download Fedora or OpenSuse or Ubuntu from a US mirror... those
>>>>> codecs are not included.
>>>>
>>>> Download it from the Main Server then.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I downloaded what I needed from a german server. Apparently they do
>>> include the necessary codecs and libs.
>>
>> Sure, it's legal in civilized countries that don't let the music industry
>> sue teenagers and grandmas thousands of dollars for each downloaded song.
>> In Europe, the law states that for personal use, it's covered by the tax
>> on blank CDs and DVDs. If you use someone else's IP for financial gain,
>> then it's illegal.
>>
> Wish we had a similar law here. I still find it odd that I can go out and
> buy a movie and play on my dvd player in the living room, yet I'm not
> supposed to watch it on my PC using Linux.
> I suppose they are looking at the ability to copy and burn another dvd.
> That is the greedy aspect of the music industry.

Heh...libdvdcss2.dll is what they're afraid of. With that installed (both
32-bit & 64-bit versions available for Windows, too), the only thing that's
given me trouble under Ubuntu, was X-Men Origins: Wolverine. That reminds
me, I need to check the going price for The Incredible Hulk
#181...eventually, it'll get to the point where it's worthwhile to me to
sell it (bought it new, eh).

Anyway, libdvdcss2 doesn't bother with the encryption, it basically skips
past it. Heheh.
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
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> Just as I said before,

So you say it again, hoping that it'll suddenly be true. T'ain't gonna
happen.

> lunix users can't agree on a flavor, the latest is buntu, tomorrow it'll
> be "killebrew" (fill in the blank) as the latest-greatest-best-lunix-ever.
> And the contest continues, Knome against GDE, which desktop is better?
> They get so hyped up arguing amongst themselves and when they post the
> same lame after lame hype until they can't stand to read it any more, they
> come into a Windows NG to post it where they hope to agitate rather than
> inform.
> You lunix guys are an endless source of entertainment and a real testament
> to your cause. =D

Speak for yourself, dweeb. Your asshole is indecently showing.....
 
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Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hkusog$m0b$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Dave wrote:
>>> "Frank" <fb@wme.esa> wrote in message
>>> news:4b72dbfc$1@news.x-privat.org...
>>> snip
>>>
>>> Frank,
>>> I don't intend to respond to bashings anymore or arguments over L.... vs
>>> W.... in hopes it will eliminate some of the trash-postings in this NG.
>>> For the sake of the group, will you for a while, stop responding to any
>>> bashers postings or killfile them? It only continues the thread, takes
>>> up bandwidth and adds to the problem. If none of us respond the fun goes
>>> away and so do they.
>>> Dave
>>
>> Neither Frank nor the Nymshifter have any self control. You're pissing in
>> the wind. Both Frank and the Nymshifter are trolls and you're asking them
>> to behave!? LOL!
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> How about you and I agree to rise above this and stop the bashing?

Hey Dave, just try not acting like a child in the first place.
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final
>>>>>>>>>> analysis
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>>>>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>>>>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without
>>>>>>>>> a major effort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>>>>>>> spreading?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort'
>>>>>>>> as running a couple command line programs from the recovery
>>>>>>>> console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For XP:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>>>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>>>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>>>>>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For Vista/7:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>>>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>>>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does
>>>>>>>> to boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>>>>>>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>>>>>>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>>>>>>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the
>>>>>>> recovery console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until
>>>>>>> you completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly
>>>>>>> as easy as it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL
>>>>>>> EXPERIENCE know.
>>>>>>> Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying
>>>>>>> it...if you even have Vista or 7.
>>>>>>> Otherwise, STFU!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
>>>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT
>>>>>>> NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the low cost of hard drives and computers nowadays, it's
>>>>>> stupid to dual boot. I have Windows computers and Ubuntu computers
>>>>>> and I'm about to try PCOSLINUX on a spare computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Figures you'd miss the point entirely.
>>>>> Oops!
>>>>
>>>> When you have a valid point, alert the media because it will be the
>>>> first time.
>>>>
>>> Hell will freeze over the day you understand the subject matter.
>>> Oops!...LOL!
>>
>> Hell can't freeze over.
>
> ...and you'll never understand the subject matter you stupid POS.
>
> Read your Bible, uneducated one. I understand
>> this thread perfectly and have done the above many times. You're wrong
>> and Dan S is right.
>
> hehehe...sorry cock sucker, but I speak from actual experience, not some
> lamers theory.
> Oops!
>>

No you don't. Everything you post comes straight out of your ugly ass
and it shows.

--
Alias
 
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GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Lord Vetinari wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
> news:5p-dnVO8V70Bi_bWnZ2dnUVZ_thi4p2d@bresnan.com...
>> Lord Vetinari wrote:
>>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ksCdnTI854ZGC_XWnZ2dnUVZ_sVi4p2d@bresnan.com...
>>> [snip]
>>>> What is missing is that in the US you won't find any Linux distro that
>>>> will play commercial dvds. It isn't legal to do so.
>>> JFGI, son. Then you won't look so foolish, next time.
>>>
>> Heh. I'm in my Golden years now.
>
> Ah...sorry, that shoulda been "old son", eh?
>
>>> Ferex, type
>>>
>>> linux +"commercial dvd"
>>>
>>> into the google search....you can't miss it.
>> That I did. Someone did provide one very good url to test for missing
>> libs and that really did the trick.
>
> Yay!
>
> Wanna know something funny? I rented X-Men Origins: Wolverine the other
> day, and when I went to watch it on my laptop, under Ubuntu, the drive went
> insane, vibrating & shaking like it was the end of time. This, to the point
> which it wouldn't play at all. I rebooted to Win7, and all of those
> problems went away. heh.
>
>
Sounds like the media player Totem. That one was complete garbage.
Had to go download MPlayer and it worked ok playing a movie.
:)) The insane vibrating and shaking sounds like my HP printer.
 
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GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES
>>>>> offer commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>>>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>>>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do so.
>>>> After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should
>>>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>>>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to
>>>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>>>
>>> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time some
>>> new type of media comes out.
>>>
>>> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies and
>>> TV. Did it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new huge
>>> stream of revenue based on the sale of pre-recorded video tapes.
>>>
>>>> So for
>>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>>> to?
>>>
>>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>>
>>
>> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
>> player for their PC.
>
> They won't hide it. You have to pay it. In Spain we have an unhidden fee
> on each and every DVD or CD. It's the sensible way to do it.
>

Sounds reasonable to me.
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> DanS wrote:
>> Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote in news:4b758a31@news.x-privat.org:
>>
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>>>> major effort.
>>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>>> spreading?
>>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>>>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>>>
>>>> For XP:
>>>>
>>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>>
>>>> Done.
>>>>
>>>> For Vista/7:
>>>>
>>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>>
>>>> Done.
>>>>
>>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>>>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the recovery
>>> console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until you
>>> completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as easy as
>>> it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
>>
>> You have no experience. You said you stopped trying Linux distros
>> years ago.
>>
> No, I didn't say that. Your butt-fucking buddy alias the sheep-fucker
> said that. He is of course a GD liar, as we all know. I have tried
> dual-booting linux/Vista/7 at least 3 times withing the last 12 months.
> Last summer was the last time I tried it. Nothing concerning linux/grub
> has changed within that time period.

Only Grub 2 that was introduced last October. Oops, you got caught lying
again.

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GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
DanS wrote:
>>>> So for
>>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>>> to?
>>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>>
>> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
>> player for their PC.
>
> You mean like the ones for 'Audio' CDs ? When you purchase blank CDs,
> you'll notice ones that are tagged 'for music' are more expensive than just
> 'regular' CDs.
>
> There's 2 reason they are more expensive.......1) it's a marketing ploy to
> make you think there's a difference between CDs 'for music' and CDs for
> data....and 2) you are paying a fee per CD since you are putting (what is
> assumed to be) purchased music on it, so the record companies still get
> their cut.

Not CDs, DVDs... the ones where you go and either buy or rent a movie.
 
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GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Roy Smith wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
> news:F8ednT66dOV-zenWnZ2dnUVZ_vhi4p2d@bresnan.com...
>> Roy Smith wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2010 5:08 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:E_OdncDLv5paYe_WnZ2dnUVZ_hJi4p2d@bresnan.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>>> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:tMadnbXGdY6llfTWnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@bresnan.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've paid for the dvds so why can't I play them on Linux?
>>>>>>>> I don't see what the big legal deal is.
>>>>>>> Here...read about it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/05/05/linux_users_protest_dvd_regs/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like fear and greed on the industries part.
>>>>> That's *EXACTLY* what it is....greed.....
>>>>>
>>>>> And that article was dated 2000, so 10 years later, it's still the
>>>>> exact same situation, and in that time 0 people have been arrested and
>>>>> charged with playing DVD's and/or MP3s on their Linux PCs.....so,
>>>>> making a big deal over it, like the anti-Linux crowd does is, and
>>>>> saying you're a criminal if you do, is quite ludicrous, especially
>>>>> since the laws convering all this stuff contradict each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES offer
>>>>> commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>>> that
>>>> examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did find one
>>>> other library that was needed in order to get it running, which I
>>>> downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do so. After
>>>> all,
>>>> I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should legally have
>>>> the
>>>> right to play any dvd. From what I read of your provided url, the
>>>> legal
>>>> aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to be nothing more than a
>>>> weasel move trying to scare off people. So for those that are more
>>>> legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware like a mac or a windows
>>>> PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed to? Weird world we live
>>>> in.
>>>> Both mac and PC platforms are capable of copying dvds anyway.
>>>
>>> I know that his is off topic, but here's a link for a complete how-to on
>>> getting Ubuntu to play DVD's.
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
>>>
>>>
>> I already got it running, but the whole point is why single out linux?
>> After all, I did buy a dvd. Shouldn't I have the right to play on
>> whatever platform is out there?
>
> Linux isn't singled out, and any OS that doesn't pay a license fee for
> the DVD codec cannot be legally distributed in the USA. That's Federal
> law and that's why any free Linux distro isn't capable of playing DVD's
> here in the USA. If you don't like the law, then talk to your
> congressman, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to be changed.
>
I understand. Guess that may be why the UN is now proposing a license
to get on the net. Anyway, I can easily download the necessary codecs
from Germany or some other mirror site that isn't in the US.
 
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GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Roy Smith pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> I already got it running, but the whole point is why single out linux?
>>> After all, I did buy a dvd. Shouldn't I have the right to play on
>>> whatever platform is out there?
>> Linux isn't singled out, and any OS that doesn't pay a license fee for the
>> DVD codec cannot be legally distributed in the USA.
>
> That's a bit misleading, as many distros get around this by not including
> DVD CSS.
>
>> That's Federal law and
>> that's why any free Linux distro isn't capable of playing DVD's here in the
>> USA. If you don't like the law, then talk to your congressman, but I
>> wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to be changed.
>
> And <cough> avoid downloading code like VideoLan Client and mplayer
> to your, ah, Windows boxes.
>
> Hint: If it is a problem for Linux, it can also be a problem on Windows and
> other OS's.
>
True. I found what I needed, finally, from Ubuntus website on acquiring
all the necessary libs and codecs. Once I knew what I was missing it
was easy to go to offshore sites and download what I needed. MPlayer
worked rather well, but Totem doesn't work all that well.
 
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GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Lord Vetinari wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
> news:5p-dnUy8V700ivbWnZ2dnUVZ_thi4p2d@bresnan.com...
>> Lord Vetinari wrote:
>>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>> news:LuudnaweR43GCPrWnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d@bresnan.com...
>>> [snip]
>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>> Maybe YOU can't. Sure sounds like sour grapes to me.
>> I may sound like that to you, but it really boils down to what the vendors
>> have decided to do inside the US mirrors. Not my fault if they feel that
>> it is illegal to provide the necessary codecs.
>
> I'm sorry, but you're just plain wrong. If nothing else, you can always use
> commercial software to play DVDs.
>
>> Go download Fedora or OpenSuse or Ubuntu from a US mirror... those codecs
>> are not included.
>
> Lots of things aren't included...it doesn't make a difference which OS
> you're talking about. That doesn't mean that you can't do whatever it is.
> I have downloaded all three of those flavors of Linux...AND installed them.
> It still isn't all that difficult to get and install the necessary codecs.
> Windows doesn't come with all the codecs needed, either.
>
>
I found the libs and codecs over on a German web site. So the problem
is solved from that point. Odd tho about windows not including all the
codecs tho. I thought they were included.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES
>>>>>> offer commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>>>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>>>>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>>>>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do
>>>>> so. After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should
>>>>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>>>>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to
>>>>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time some
>>>> new type of media comes out.
>>>>
>>>> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies and
>>>> TV. Did it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new huge
>>>> stream of revenue based on the sale of pre-recorded video tapes.
>>>>
>>>>> So for
>>>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>>>> to?
>>>>
>>>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>>>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
>>> player for their PC.
>>
>> They won't hide it. You have to pay it. In Spain we have an unhidden
>> fee on each and every DVD or CD. It's the sensible way to do it.
>>
>
> Sounds reasonable to me.

You'd be surprised how many of the Spanish bitch about it, claiming they
only use CDs and DVDs for their own data. Yeah, right. If they
prohibited file sharing in Spain, the major ISPs would all go out of
business for the lack of clientèle.

--
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Alias

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Roy Smith pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>> I already got it running, but the whole point is why single out
>>>> linux? After all, I did buy a dvd. Shouldn't I have the right to
>>>> play on whatever platform is out there?
>>> Linux isn't singled out, and any OS that doesn't pay a license fee
>>> for the DVD codec cannot be legally distributed in the USA.
>>
>> That's a bit misleading, as many distros get around this by not including
>> DVD CSS.
>>
>>> That's Federal law and that's why any free Linux distro isn't capable
>>> of playing DVD's here in the USA. If you don't like the law, then
>>> talk to your congressman, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for
>>> it to be changed.
>>
>> And <cough> avoid downloading code like VideoLan Client and mplayer
>> to your, ah, Windows boxes.
>>
>> Hint: If it is a problem for Linux, it can also be a problem on
>> Windows and
>> other OS's.
>>
> True. I found what I needed, finally, from Ubuntus website on acquiring
> all the necessary libs and codecs. Once I knew what I was missing it
> was easy to go to offshore sites and download what I needed. MPlayer
> worked rather well, but Totem doesn't work all that well.

Try VLC Player and Banshee.

--
Alias
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final
>>>>>>>>>>> analysis
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with
>>>>>>>>>> Windows because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid
>>>>>>>>>> of without a major effort.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>>>>>>>> spreading?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort'
>>>>>>>>> as running a couple command line programs from the recovery
>>>>>>>>> console.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For XP:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>>>>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>>>>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>>>>>>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For Vista/7:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>>>>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>>>>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does
>>>>>>>>> to boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux
>>>>>>>> and Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then
>>>>>>>> trying to delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>>>>>>>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the
>>>>>>>> recovery console to fix the bcd simply will not work
>>>>>>>> unless/until you completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which
>>>>>>>> is not nearly as easy as it sounds. As all of us who have had
>>>>>>>> the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
>>>>>>>> Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying
>>>>>>>> it...if you even have Vista or 7.
>>>>>>>> Otherwise, STFU!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
>>>>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT
>>>>>>>> NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the low cost of hard drives and computers nowadays, it's
>>>>>>> stupid to dual boot. I have Windows computers and Ubuntu
>>>>>>> computers and I'm about to try PCOSLINUX on a spare computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Figures you'd miss the point entirely.
>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>
>>>>> When you have a valid point, alert the media because it will be the
>>>>> first time.
>>>>>
>>>> Hell will freeze over the day you understand the subject matter.
>>>> Oops!...LOL!
>>>
>>> Hell can't freeze over.
>>
>> ...and you'll never understand the subject matter you stupid POS.
>>
>> Read your Bible, uneducated one. I understand
>>> this thread perfectly and have done the above many times. You're
>>> wrong and Dan S is right.
>>
>> hehehe...sorry cock sucker, but I speak from actual experience, not
>> some lamers theory.
>> Oops!
>>>
>
> No you don't. Everything you post comes straight out of your ugly ass
> and it shows.
>
Are you really as dumb, as stupid, and as arrogant as you appear to be?
Oops...you are!...LOL!
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> DanS wrote:
>>> Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote in news:4b758a31@news.x-privat.org:
>>>
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>>>>> major effort.
>>>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>>>> spreading?
>>>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>>>>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>>>>
>>>>> For XP:
>>>>>
>>>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>>>
>>>>> Done.
>>>>>
>>>>> For Vista/7:
>>>>>
>>>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>>>
>>>>> Done.
>>>>>
>>>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>>>>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>>>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>>>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>>>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the recovery
>>>> console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until you
>>>> completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as easy as
>>>> it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
>>>
>>> You have no experience. You said you stopped trying Linux distros
>>> years ago.
>>>
>> No, I didn't say that. Your butt-fucking buddy alias the sheep-fucker
>> said that. He is of course a GD liar, as we all know. I have tried
>> dual-booting linux/Vista/7 at least 3 times withing the last 12
>> months. Last summer was the last time I tried it. Nothing concerning
>> linux/grub has changed within that time period.
>
> Only Grub 2 that was introduced last October....

....so...Summer officially ends in late September.
Oops!...LOL!
And they did what...made grub2 files & folders even harder to get ride of?
grub is a real POS...just like you are.

Oops, you got caught lying
> again.
>
I'm lying about what?
Oh, nothing huh.
 
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