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GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
DanS wrote:
>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES offer
>>> commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do so.
>> After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should
>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to
>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>
> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time some new
> type of media comes out.
>
> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies and TV. Did
> it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new huge stream of revenue
> based on the sale of pre-recorded video tapes.
>
>> So for
>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>> to?
>
> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>

I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd player
for their PC.
 
G

GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Roy Smith wrote:
> On 2/10/2010 5:08 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> DanS wrote:
>>> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
>>> news:E_OdncDLv5paYe_WnZ2dnUVZ_hJi4p2d@bresnan.com:
>>>
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:tMadnbXGdY6llfTWnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@bresnan.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've paid for the dvds so why can't I play them on Linux?
>>>>>> I don't see what the big legal deal is.
>>>>> Here...read about it...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/05/05/linux_users_protest_dvd_regs/
>>>> Looks like fear and greed on the industries part.
>>> That's *EXACTLY* what it is....greed.....
>>>
>>> And that article was dated 2000, so 10 years later, it's still the
>>> exact same situation, and in that time 0 people have been arrested and
>>> charged with playing DVD's and/or MP3s on their Linux PCs.....so,
>>> making a big deal over it, like the anti-Linux crowd does is, and
>>> saying you're a criminal if you do, is quite ludicrous, especially
>>> since the laws convering all this stuff contradict each other.
>>>
>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES offer
>>> commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site that
>> examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did find one
>> other library that was needed in order to get it running, which I
>> downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do so. After all,
>> I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should legally have the
>> right to play any dvd. From what I read of your provided url, the legal
>> aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to be nothing more than a
>> weasel move trying to scare off people. So for those that are more
>> legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware like a mac or a windows
>> PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed to? Weird world we live in.
>> Both mac and PC platforms are capable of copying dvds anyway.
>
> I know that his is off topic, but here's a link for a complete how-to on
> getting Ubuntu to play DVD's.
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
>
>
I already got it running, but the whole point is why single out linux?
After all, I did buy a dvd. Shouldn't I have the right to play on
whatever platform is out there?
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> DanS wrote:
>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES offer
>>>> commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do so.
>>> After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should
>>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to
>>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>>
>> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time some
>> new type of media comes out.
>>
>> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies and
>> TV. Did it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new huge
>> stream of revenue based on the sale of pre-recorded video tapes.
>>
>>> So for
>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>> to?
>>
>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>
>
> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd player
> for their PC.

They won't hide it. You have to pay it. In Spain we have an unhidden fee
on each and every DVD or CD. It's the sensible way to do it.

--
Alias
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> Roy Smith wrote:
>> On 2/10/2010 5:08 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
>>>> news:E_OdncDLv5paYe_WnZ2dnUVZ_hJi4p2d@bresnan.com:
>>>>
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:tMadnbXGdY6llfTWnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@bresnan.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've paid for the dvds so why can't I play them on Linux?
>>>>>>> I don't see what the big legal deal is.
>>>>>> Here...read about it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/05/05/linux_users_protest_dvd_regs/
>>>>> Looks like fear and greed on the industries part.
>>>> That's *EXACTLY* what it is....greed.....
>>>>
>>>> And that article was dated 2000, so 10 years later, it's still the
>>>> exact same situation, and in that time 0 people have been arrested and
>>>> charged with playing DVD's and/or MP3s on their Linux PCs.....so,
>>>> making a big deal over it, like the anti-Linux crowd does is, and
>>>> saying you're a criminal if you do, is quite ludicrous, especially
>>>> since the laws convering all this stuff contradict each other.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES offer
>>>> commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site that
>>> examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did find one
>>> other library that was needed in order to get it running, which I
>>> downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do so. After all,
>>> I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should legally have the
>>> right to play any dvd. From what I read of your provided url, the legal
>>> aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to be nothing more than a
>>> weasel move trying to scare off people. So for those that are more
>>> legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware like a mac or a windows
>>> PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed to? Weird world we live in.
>>> Both mac and PC platforms are capable of copying dvds anyway.
>>
>> I know that his is off topic, but here's a link for a complete how-to on
>> getting Ubuntu to play DVD's.
>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
>>
>>
> I already got it running, but the whole point is why single out linux?
> After all, I did buy a dvd. Shouldn't I have the right to play on
> whatever platform is out there?

Yes, you should. Alas, the big Music/Film/Etc. companies feel
differently and you know the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the
rules.

--
Alias
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES
>>>>> offer commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>>>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>>>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do so.
>>>> After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should
>>>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>>>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to
>>>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>>>
>>> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time some
>>> new type of media comes out.
>>>
>>> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies and
>>> TV. Did it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new huge
>>> stream of revenue based on the sale of pre-recorded video tapes.
>>>
>>>> So for
>>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>>> to?
>>>
>>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>>
>>
>> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
>> player for their PC.
>
> They won't hide it. You have to pay it. In Spain we have an unhidden fee
> on each and every DVD or CD. It's the sensible way to do it.
>
You have not told us who gets that "unhidden fee"? The artist or the
thieves at the gov?
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES
>>>>>> offer commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>>>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>>>>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>>>>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do
>>>>> so. After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should
>>>>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>>>>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to
>>>>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time some
>>>> new type of media comes out.
>>>>
>>>> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies and
>>>> TV. Did it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new huge
>>>> stream of revenue based on the sale of pre-recorded video tapes.
>>>>
>>>>> So for
>>>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>>>> to?
>>>>
>>>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>>>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
>>> player for their PC.
>>
>> They won't hide it. You have to pay it. In Spain we have an unhidden
>> fee on each and every DVD or CD. It's the sensible way to do it.
>>
> You have not told us who gets that "unhidden fee"? The artist or the
> thieves at the gov?

To use your usual retort, use Google if you know how. I'm not in charge
of the program nor do I work for their customer service department.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES
>>>>>>> offer commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>>>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>>>>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>>>>>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>>>>>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do
>>>>>> so. After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>>>>>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to
>>>>>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time some
>>>>> new type of media comes out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies and
>>>>> TV. Did it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new huge
>>>>> stream of revenue based on the sale of pre-recorded video tapes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> So for
>>>>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>>>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>>>>> to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>>>>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
>>>> player for their PC.
>>>
>>> They won't hide it. You have to pay it. In Spain we have an unhidden
>>> fee on each and every DVD or CD. It's the sensible way to do it.
>>>
>> You have not told us who gets that "unhidden fee"? The artist or the
>> thieves at the gov?
>
> To use your usual retort, use Google if you know how. I'm not in charge
> of the program nor do I work for their customer service department.
>
I take that to mean your gov is stealing from artist and entertainment
companies and are common thieves, just like you.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES
>>>>>>>> offer commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>>>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>>>>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>>>>>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>>>>>>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>>>>>>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do
>>>>>>> so. After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>>>>>>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing
>>>>>>> appears to
>>>>>>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time
>>>>>> some new type of media comes out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies
>>>>>> and TV. Did it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new
>>>>>> huge stream of revenue based on the sale of pre-recorded video tapes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So for
>>>>>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>>>>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>>>>>> to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>>>>>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
>>>>> player for their PC.
>>>>
>>>> They won't hide it. You have to pay it. In Spain we have an unhidden
>>>> fee on each and every DVD or CD. It's the sensible way to do it.
>>>>
>>> You have not told us who gets that "unhidden fee"? The artist or the
>>> thieves at the gov?
>>
>> To use your usual retort, use Google if you know how. I'm not in
>> charge of the program nor do I work for their customer service
>> department.
>>
> I take that to mean your gov is stealing from artist and entertainment
> companies and are common thieves, just like you.

You take it incorrectly but it isn't uncommon for one of your
"rebuttals" to include calling someone a thief.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES
>>>>>>>>> offer commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>>>>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>>>>>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site
>>>>>>>> that examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did
>>>>>>>> find one other library that was needed in order to get it running,
>>>>>>>> which I downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do
>>>>>>>> so. After all, I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> legally have the right to play any dvd. From what I read of your
>>>>>>>> provided url, the legal aspects of what Hollywood is doing
>>>>>>>> appears to
>>>>>>>> be nothing more than a weasel move trying to scare off people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, that is what Hollywood & the music companies do each time
>>>>>>> some new type of media comes out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look at how the VCR was supposed to kill Hollywood, both movies
>>>>>>> and TV. Did it ? Nope. As a matter of fact, Hollywood got a new
>>>>>>> huge stream of revenue based on the sale of pre-recorded video
>>>>>>> tapes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So for
>>>>>>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>>>>>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>>>>>>> to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>>>>>>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
>>>>>> player for their PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> They won't hide it. You have to pay it. In Spain we have an
>>>>> unhidden fee on each and every DVD or CD. It's the sensible way to
>>>>> do it.
>>>>>
>>>> You have not told us who gets that "unhidden fee"? The artist or the
>>>> thieves at the gov?
>>>
>>> To use your usual retort, use Google if you know how. I'm not in
>>> charge of the program nor do I work for their customer service
>>> department.
>>>
>> I take that to mean your gov is stealing from artist and entertainment
>> companies and are common thieves, just like you.
>
> You take it incorrectly but it isn't uncommon for one of your
> "rebuttals" to include calling someone a thief.
>
So you either are lying or you are a thief, as we all suspect.
So which is it *SPORT*?
 
R

Roy Smith

Flightless Bird
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:F8ednT66dOV-zenWnZ2dnUVZ_vhi4p2d@bresnan.com...
> Roy Smith wrote:
>> On 2/10/2010 5:08 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
>>>> news:E_OdncDLv5paYe_WnZ2dnUVZ_hJi4p2d@bresnan.com:
>>>>
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:tMadnbXGdY6llfTWnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@bresnan.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've paid for the dvds so why can't I play them on Linux?
>>>>>>> I don't see what the big legal deal is.
>>>>>> Here...read about it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/05/05/linux_users_protest_dvd_regs/
>>>>> Looks like fear and greed on the industries part.
>>>> That's *EXACTLY* what it is....greed.....
>>>>
>>>> And that article was dated 2000, so 10 years later, it's still the
>>>> exact same situation, and in that time 0 people have been arrested and
>>>> charged with playing DVD's and/or MP3s on their Linux PCs.....so,
>>>> making a big deal over it, like the anti-Linux crowd does is, and
>>>> saying you're a criminal if you do, is quite ludicrous, especially
>>>> since the laws convering all this stuff contradict each other.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if you did want to go the legit way, Canonical DOES offer
>>>> commercial players/codecs on their website, if you (not you
>>>> specifically) wanted to purchase them.
>>> I can't remember who it was that posted the url to Ubuntus web site that
>>> examines what one needs to get dvd playback running, but I did find one
>>> other library that was needed in order to get it running, which I
>>> downloaded from a german website where it is legal to do so. After all,
>>> I did purchase the hardware (the dvd drive) so I should legally have the
>>> right to play any dvd. From what I read of your provided url, the legal
>>> aspects of what Hollywood is doing appears to be nothing more than a
>>> weasel move trying to scare off people. So for those that are more
>>> legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware like a mac or a windows
>>> PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed to? Weird world we live in.
>>> Both mac and PC platforms are capable of copying dvds anyway.
>>
>> I know that his is off topic, but here's a link for a complete how-to on
>> getting Ubuntu to play DVD's.
>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
>>
>>
> I already got it running, but the whole point is why single out linux?
> After all, I did buy a dvd. Shouldn't I have the right to play on
> whatever platform is out there?

Linux isn't singled out, and any OS that doesn't pay a license fee for the
DVD codec cannot be legally distributed in the USA. That's Federal law and
that's why any free Linux distro isn't capable of playing DVD's here in the
USA. If you don't like the law, then talk to your congressman, but I
wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to be changed.

--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium
 
D

DanS

Flightless Bird
<SNIP>
>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
the
>
>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>
> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows because
> that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a major effort.

More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely spreading?

A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as running
a couple command line programs from the recovery console.

For XP:

Boot to Recovery Console.
C:/> FIXBOOT C:
C:/> FIXMBR
C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild

Done.

For Vista/7:

Boot to recovery console.
Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
Bootrec.exe /FixBoot
Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd

Done.

There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to boot
the Windows CD/DVD.
 
C

Chris Ahlstrom

Flightless Bird
Roy Smith pulled this Usenet boner:

> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>
>> I already got it running, but the whole point is why single out linux?
>> After all, I did buy a dvd. Shouldn't I have the right to play on
>> whatever platform is out there?
>
> Linux isn't singled out, and any OS that doesn't pay a license fee for the
> DVD codec cannot be legally distributed in the USA.

That's a bit misleading, as many distros get around this by not including
DVD CSS.

> That's Federal law and
> that's why any free Linux distro isn't capable of playing DVD's here in the
> USA. If you don't like the law, then talk to your congressman, but I
> wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to be changed.

And <cough> avoid downloading code like VideoLan Client and mplayer
to your, ah, Windows boxes.

Hint: If it is a problem for Linux, it can also be a problem on Windows and
other OS's.

--
Repartee is something we think of twenty-four hours too late.
-- Mark Twain
 
D

DanS

Flightless Bird
>>> So for
>>> those that are more legally inclined, how come one can buy hardware
>>> like a mac or a windows PC can play these, yet linux isn't supposed
>>> to?
>>
>> Because MS & Apple supposedly pay whomever owns the patent on the
>> technology a licensing fee per each OS license.
>>
>
> I wonder if there is a hidden fee if one goes out and buys a dvd
> player for their PC.

You mean like the ones for 'Audio' CDs ? When you purchase blank CDs,
you'll notice ones that are tagged 'for music' are more expensive than just
'regular' CDs.

There's 2 reason they are more expensive.......1) it's a marketing ploy to
make you think there's a difference between CDs 'for music' and CDs for
data....and 2) you are paying a fee per CD since you are putting (what is
assumed to be) purchased music on it, so the record companies still get
their cut.
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
DanS wrote:
> <SNIP>
>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
> the
>>
>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows because
>> that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a major effort.
>
> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely spreading?
>
> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as running
> a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>
> For XP:
>
> Boot to Recovery Console.
> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
> C:/> FIXMBR
> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>
> Done.
>
> For Vista/7:
>
> Boot to recovery console.
> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot
> Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>
> Done.
>
> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to boot
> the Windows CD/DVD.

Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to delete
the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the recovery
console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until you completely
get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as easy as it sounds.
As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying it...if
you even have Vista or 7.
Otherwise, STFU!

Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
C:/> FIXBOOT
NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> DanS wrote:
>> <SNIP>
>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>> the
>>>
>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>> major effort.
>>
>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely spreading?
>>
>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>
>> For XP:
>>
>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>> C:/> FIXMBR
>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> For Vista/7:
>>
>> Boot to recovery console.
>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to boot
>> the Windows CD/DVD.
>
> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to delete
> the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the recovery
> console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until you completely
> get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as easy as it sounds.
> As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
> Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying it...if
> you even have Vista or 7.
> Otherwise, STFU!
>
> Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
> C:/> FIXBOOT
> NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:

With the low cost of hard drives and computers nowadays, it's stupid to
dual boot. I have Windows computers and Ubuntu computers and I'm about
to try PCOSLINUX on a spare computer.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> DanS wrote:
>>> <SNIP>
>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>>> major effort.
>>>
>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>> spreading?
>>>
>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>>
>>> For XP:
>>>
>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>
>>> Done.
>>>
>>> For Vista/7:
>>>
>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>
>>> Done.
>>>
>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>
>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the recovery
>> console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until you
>> completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as easy as
>> it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
>> Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying
>> it...if you even have Vista or 7.
>> Otherwise, STFU!
>>
>> Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
>> C:/> FIXBOOT
>> NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>
> With the low cost of hard drives and computers nowadays, it's stupid to
> dual boot. I have Windows computers and Ubuntu computers and I'm about
> to try PCOSLINUX on a spare computer.
>

Figures you'd miss the point entirely.
Oops!
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>>>> major effort.
>>>>
>>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>>> spreading?
>>>>
>>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>>>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>>>
>>>> For XP:
>>>>
>>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>>
>>>> Done.
>>>>
>>>> For Vista/7:
>>>>
>>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>>
>>>> Done.
>>>>
>>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>>>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>>
>>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the
>>> recovery console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until you
>>> completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as easy
>>> as it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
>>> Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying
>>> it...if you even have Vista or 7.
>>> Otherwise, STFU!
>>>
>>> Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
>>> C:/> FIXBOOT
>>> NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>
>> With the low cost of hard drives and computers nowadays, it's stupid
>> to dual boot. I have Windows computers and Ubuntu computers and I'm
>> about to try PCOSLINUX on a spare computer.
>>
>
> Figures you'd miss the point entirely.
> Oops!

When you have a valid point, alert the media because it will be the
first time.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>>>>> major effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>>>> spreading?
>>>>>
>>>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>>>>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>>>>
>>>>> For XP:
>>>>>
>>>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>>>
>>>>> Done.
>>>>>
>>>>> For Vista/7:
>>>>>
>>>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>>>
>>>>> Done.
>>>>>
>>>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>>>>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>>>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>>>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>>>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the
>>>> recovery console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until
>>>> you completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as
>>>> easy as it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
>>>> Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying
>>>> it...if you even have Vista or 7.
>>>> Otherwise, STFU!
>>>>
>>>> Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT
>>>> NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>
>>> With the low cost of hard drives and computers nowadays, it's stupid
>>> to dual boot. I have Windows computers and Ubuntu computers and I'm
>>> about to try PCOSLINUX on a spare computer.
>>>
>>
>> Figures you'd miss the point entirely.
>> Oops!
>
> When you have a valid point, alert the media because it will be the
> first time.
>
Hell will freeze over the day you understand the subject matter.
Oops!...LOL!
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>>> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
>>>>>>> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows
>>>>>>> because that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a
>>>>>>> major effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More Linux FUD from you? More misinformation you are purposely
>>>>>> spreading?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A 'major effort' might be true, if you consider 'major effort' as
>>>>>> running a couple command line programs from the recovery console.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For XP:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boot to Recovery Console.
>>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>>> C:/> FIXMBR
>>>>>> C:/> BOOTCFG /rebuild
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For Vista/7:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boot to recovery console.
>>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>>>>>> Bootrec.exe /FixBoot Bootrec.exe /RebuildBcd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There, your 'major effort' takes barely more time than it does to
>>>>>> boot the Windows CD/DVD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously you have very limited experience dual booting linux and
>>>>> Vista/7 using linux with grub as the boot manager then trying to
>>>>> delete the linux partition and grub and restore the bcd.
>>>>> I hate to tell you dan-o, but the normal routine of using the
>>>>> recovery console to fix the bcd simply will not work unless/until
>>>>> you completely get rig of grub (all of it!) which is not nearly as
>>>>> easy as it sounds. As all of us who have had the REAL EXPERIENCE know.
>>>>> Come back when you know what you're talking about...like trying
>>>>> it...if you even have Vista or 7.
>>>>> Otherwise, STFU!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and one other thing...for XP you need only use the command:
>>>>> C:/> FIXBOOT
>>>>> NOT C:/> FIXBOOT C:
>>>>
>>>> With the low cost of hard drives and computers nowadays, it's stupid
>>>> to dual boot. I have Windows computers and Ubuntu computers and I'm
>>>> about to try PCOSLINUX on a spare computer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Figures you'd miss the point entirely.
>>> Oops!
>>
>> When you have a valid point, alert the media because it will be the
>> first time.
>>
> Hell will freeze over the day you understand the subject matter.
> Oops!...LOL!

Hell can't freeze over. Read your Bible, uneducated one. I understand
this thread perfectly and have done the above many times. You're wrong
and Dan S is right.

--
Alias
 
L

Lord Vetinari

Flightless Bird
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:5p-dnVO8V70Bi_bWnZ2dnUVZ_thi4p2d@bresnan.com...
> Lord Vetinari wrote:
>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>> news:ksCdnTI854ZGC_XWnZ2dnUVZ_sVi4p2d@bresnan.com...
>> [snip]
>>> What is missing is that in the US you won't find any Linux distro that
>>> will play commercial dvds. It isn't legal to do so.
>>
>> JFGI, son. Then you won't look so foolish, next time.
>>
>
> Heh. I'm in my Golden years now.

Ah...sorry, that shoulda been "old son", eh?

>> Ferex, type
>>
>> linux +"commercial dvd"
>>
>> into the google search....you can't miss it.
>
> That I did. Someone did provide one very good url to test for missing
> libs and that really did the trick.

Yay!

Wanna know something funny? I rented X-Men Origins: Wolverine the other
day, and when I went to watch it on my laptop, under Ubuntu, the drive went
insane, vibrating & shaking like it was the end of time. This, to the point
which it wouldn't play at all. I rebooted to Win7, and all of those
problems went away. heh.
 
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