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Ubuntu Rulez! Windows 7 Drools.

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Frank

Flightless Bird
JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>
>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
> [deletia]
>
>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>>
>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>> Figures!
>>
>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>
> ...and the one in XP or Vista isn't?

I've got all of those so I do speak from an actual users experience.
Windows 7 Media Center is the best of all of them.
>
> Sounds like a recent Apple commercial...

Sounds like you've not used any of them. Especially Windows 7.
 
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Snit

Flightless Bird
Frank stated in post 4b4a7de7@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:24 PM:

> Snit wrote:
>> Frank stated in post 4b4a4296$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 2:11 PM:
>>
>> ...
>>>>> Like what?
>>>> Well, I listed some above. Let's just stick with this - nothing on Win 7
>>>> to
>>>> compete with Tofu (which I use often),
>>> I have no idea what tofu is other than a food...I think its listed as a
>>> "food"! :)
>>
>> If you do not know what is offered on alternative platforms, how do you
>> claim to know:
>>
>> -----
>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>> -----
> i.e. play the real games.
>>
>> Perhaps you just meant you had not found things that Windows 7 did not allow
>> you to do as well as the alternatives. In any case, here is a link to the
>> Tofu page:
>>
>> <http://amarsagoo.info/tofu/>
>>
>> Before I found Tofu I did not like reading even relatively large selections
>> of text on screen. Now I do not mind it so much. And, better yet, I can
>> select text from almost any program and right click on it and bring it into
>> Tofu - that is from the OS X Services capability (something else Windows
>> does not have - and this is a built in feature of OS X!)
>
> I'm glad it works for you but I don't have that problem. I can adjust
> test size with my mouse scroll wheel on the fly and I use two 28' LCD
> wide screen monitors at 1900 x 1200 res.

Has nothing to do with size of screens or text.

>>>> DreamCatcher (which is important to
>>>> my workflow in multiple capacities), iWork, iLife, etc.
>>> All for mac's
>>
>> Right... in response to your claim that Windows 7 will do what the 'others"
>> do and more. It does not.
>>
>>>> There is also no media browser, etc.
>>>>
>>> No media browser?
>>> What is Windows Media Player?
>>> What is Windows Media Center?
>>
>> I can see your confusion being that you are not familiar with the
>> alternatives. I meant the capability to access the play lists of Windows
>> Media player from other programs... as you can access music and video play
>> lists, image albums, etc., from other programs in OS X. Here is info on it:
>>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsPO0a0lKc0>
>
>>
>> What is shown in that video is, well, not that great - they show dragging a
>> folder to the media browser when you could have just opened the folder and
>> done the same thing! But watch carefully from about :15 to :20. Notice
>> that the media browser taps into the media from multiple sources - whether
>> from folders *or* as you organize in iPhoto or whatever. And this is
>> available not just in Apple software but lots of third party software - even
>> in the Open dialogs if not added by the developer. Nothing like it on any
>> other OS as far as I know.
>>
> And I see your confusion being that you're not familiar with Windows.
> Your vid shows a brochure being created and a folder being dragged and
> dropped into a media folder. You can do all of that just a easily in
> Windows & by dragging and dropping the folders into the "Libraries" folder.
> I don't see anything so special about that.

Please read what I wrote about the video... not just view the video.

>> Now combine that with a biggie I forgot to mention - Automator:
>> <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2urhf_apple-automator-media-browser_tech>
>>
>> What is like Automator on Windows? It is much like Unix piping but with a
>> GUI.
>>
> Now I know you've never used Windows Media Center in Windows 7.
> Too bad!

Nothing to do with Automator. Seriously, you would do better to read the
comments you are replying to.

>>>> Not to say Windows 7 is not good... and does not have its own benefits. I
>>>> have MS Office on both Mac and Windows, but for any documents where I need
>>>> a
>>>> TOC, bibliography, multiple styles, etc. I think the Windows version is far
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>



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Frank

Flightless Bird
JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>
>> ceed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
> [deletia]
>>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>>>> of this family?
>>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>>> alternatives.
>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>
> What? Be maintenance free?
>
> Not bloodly likely.
>
> [deletia]
>
> A consumer computer needs to be something that the consumer can
> treat like a toaster (at least from the sysadmin point of view) once
> everything is set up.
>
> Anal updates?

Did you pull that one of your anus?

Anti-virus?

WSE

Paranoid web browsing?

Not me!
>
> None of that should be necessary.

So you don't do updates huh?
And of course no linux desktop or serve has ever been hacked or infected
right?
Oh and you still can't play computer games, a multi-billion dollar
business on any of the 500+ linux distros.
Sorry!
 
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Snit

Flightless Bird
Frank stated in post 4b4a7e8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:27 PM:

> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>>>
>>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>>> Figures!
>>>
>>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>>
>> ...and the one in XP or Vista isn't?
>
> I've got all of those so I do speak from an actual users experience.
> Windows 7 Media Center is the best of all of them.
>
Nothing to do with the topic of the OS X media browser. Just thought you
should know. :)

>> Sounds like a recent Apple commercial...
>
> Sounds like you've not used any of them. Especially Windows 7.
>



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Frank

Flightless Bird
JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> Nothingspecial wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>> Real world consumers do reject Linux by the millions. Maybe you
>>>>> should follow the advice.
>>>> Most never get the chance to try Linux because their computers come
>>>> pre-loaded with Windows.
>>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>>> mental midgets?
>>>
>>> Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better for me but I can see
>>> where Linux might be better for some others" without resorting to being a
>>> lying jackass?
>> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows 7...PERIOD!
>
> No one "needs" Windows.

Actually no "needs" anything except a spear, a cave and a good women.
Unless of course, you are a homosexual.
>
> It's just what happens to be sold with most machines.

I wonder why that is.
>
> Perhaps there might even be a forced perception of needing to be "DOS compatable".

Why not!
>
>> Don't believe me? Theoretically take a Mother, Father and say 8 yr old
>> child (typical family) into a big box store that offers computers with
>> either Windows, linux (any of the 500+ distros) or Apple installed. Its
>> the consumers choice which one they want.
>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs of
>> this family?
>
> Probably the Mac since it won't root itself, it comes with most of what mundane
> users want/need already preloaded, has good enough 3rd party software support
> and typically very good in terms of n00b interfaces.
>
> The big lie has always been that Windows is somehow a proper Mac clone.
>
>> Well...?
>> NO FUCKING LYING ALLOWED!!!
>> Oops!
>
>
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>>
>>> ceed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>> [deletia]
>>>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing
>>>>> needs of this family?
>>>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>>>> alternatives.
>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>>
>> What? Be maintenance free?
>> Not bloodly likely.
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>> A consumer computer needs to be something that the consumer can
>> treat like a toaster (at least from the sysadmin point of view) once
>> everything is set up.
>>
>> Anal updates?
>
> Did you pull that one of your anus?
>
> Anti-virus?
>
> WSE
>
> Paranoid web browsing?
>
> Not me!
>>
>> None of that should be necessary.
>
> So you don't do updates huh?
> And of course no linux desktop or serve has ever been hacked or infected
> right?
> Oh and you still can't play computer games, a multi-billion dollar
> business on any of the 500+ linux distros.
> Sorry!
>

Not true (I was surprised to find Rise of the Triad in Karmic. I hadn't
played that game in years!) but the new video games are made for
consoles with PCs being a second thought. Even though you may have a 2TB
hard drive, all you get to save are "checkpoints". The golden age of
computer gaming has given way to the Playstation, Wii and xBox.

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Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:

> Actually no "needs" anything except a spear, a cave and a good women.
> Unless of course, you are a homosexual.

Some people would consider food, water and a warm place to shit as
needs. Judging from your "style", you probably shit in the woods and eat
it and wash it down with piss and vinegar followed by "Oops...LOL!"

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Frank

Flightless Bird
Snit wrote:
> Frank stated in post 4b4a7de7@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:24 PM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a4296$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 2:11 PM:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>>>> Like what?
>>>>> Well, I listed some above. Let's just stick with this - nothing on Win 7
>>>>> to
>>>>> compete with Tofu (which I use often),
>>>> I have no idea what tofu is other than a food...I think its listed as a
>>>> "food"! :)
>>> If you do not know what is offered on alternative platforms, how do you
>>> claim to know:
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>>> -----
>> i.e. play the real games.
>>> Perhaps you just meant you had not found things that Windows 7 did not allow
>>> you to do as well as the alternatives. In any case, here is a link to the
>>> Tofu page:
>>>
>>> <http://amarsagoo.info/tofu/>
>>>
>>> Before I found Tofu I did not like reading even relatively large selections
>>> of text on screen. Now I do not mind it so much. And, better yet, I can
>>> select text from almost any program and right click on it and bring it into
>>> Tofu - that is from the OS X Services capability (something else Windows
>>> does not have - and this is a built in feature of OS X!)
>> I'm glad it works for you but I don't have that problem. I can adjust
>> test size with my mouse scroll wheel on the fly and I use two 28' LCD
>> wide screen monitors at 1900 x 1200 res.
>
> Has nothing to do with size of screens or text.

I has to do with "readability". Columnizing text is a personal taste
thingie.
You need it, I don't. But I'm sure if I did there is a small Windows
compatible app available.

>
>>>>> DreamCatcher (which is important to
>>>>> my workflow in multiple capacities), iWork, iLife, etc.
>>>> All for mac's
>>> Right... in response to your claim that Windows 7 will do what the 'others"
>>> do and more. It does not.
>>>
>>>>> There is also no media browser, etc.
>>>>>
>>>> No media browser?
>>>> What is Windows Media Player?
>>>> What is Windows Media Center?
>>> I can see your confusion being that you are not familiar with the
>>> alternatives. I meant the capability to access the play lists of Windows
>>> Media player from other programs... as you can access music and video play
>>> lists, image albums, etc., from other programs in OS X. Here is info on it:
>>>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsPO0a0lKc0>
>>> What is shown in that video is, well, not that great - they show dragging a
>>> folder to the media browser when you could have just opened the folder and
>>> done the same thing! But watch carefully from about :15 to :20. Notice
>>> that the media browser taps into the media from multiple sources - whether
>>> from folders *or* as you organize in iPhoto or whatever. And this is
>>> available not just in Apple software but lots of third party software - even
>>> in the Open dialogs if not added by the developer. Nothing like it on any
>>> other OS as far as I know.
>>>
>> And I see your confusion being that you're not familiar with Windows.
>> Your vid shows a brochure being created and a folder being dragged and
>> dropped into a media folder. You can do all of that just a easily in
>> Windows & by dragging and dropping the folders into the "Libraries" folder.
>> I don't see anything so special about that.
>
> Please read what I wrote about the video... not just view the video.
>
>>> Now combine that with a biggie I forgot to mention - Automator:
>>> <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2urhf_apple-automator-media-browser_tech>
>>>
>>> What is like Automator on Windows? It is much like Unix piping but with a
>>> GUI.
>>>
>> Now I know you've never used Windows Media Center in Windows 7.
>> Too bad!
>
> Nothing to do with Automator. Seriously, you would do better to read the
> comments you are replying to.

I strongly suggest you first test drive Windows 7 before making any more
of your err..."comments" about it.
>
>>>>> Not to say Windows 7 is not good... and does not have its own benefits. I
>>>>> have MS Office on both Mac and Windows, but for any documents where I need
>>>>> a
>>>>> TOC, bibliography, multiple styles, etc. I think the Windows version is far
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
Snit wrote:
> Frank stated in post 4b4a7e8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:27 PM:
>
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>> [deletia]
>>>
>>>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>>>>
>>>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>>>> Figures!
>>>>
>>>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>>> ...and the one in XP or Vista isn't?
>> I've got all of those so I do speak from an actual users experience.
>> Windows 7 Media Center is the best of all of them.
>>
> Nothing to do with the topic of the OS X media browser. Just thought you
> should know. :)

Have you ever even opened Windows 7...or its Media Center?
If so, what exactly do you see?
Clue...all of your media (movies, pics, audio, tv etc)., at your fingertips.

>
>>> Sounds like a recent Apple commercial...
>> Sounds like you've not used any of them. Especially Windows 7.
>>
>
>
>
 
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Snit

Flightless Bird
Frank stated in post 4b4a838b$2@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:48 PM:

....
>>>> -----
>>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.

....
>>>> <http://amarsagoo.info/tofu/>
>>>>
>>>> Before I found Tofu I did not like reading even relatively large selections
>>>> of text on screen. Now I do not mind it so much. And, better yet, I can
>>>> select text from almost any program and right click on it and bring it into
>>>> Tofu - that is from the OS X Services capability (something else Windows
>>>> does not have - and this is a built in feature of OS X!)
>>> I'm glad it works for you but I don't have that problem. I can adjust
>>> test size with my mouse scroll wheel on the fly and I use two 28' LCD
>>> wide screen monitors at 1900 x 1200 res.
>>
>> Has nothing to do with size of screens or text.
>
> I has to do with "readability". Columnizing text is a personal taste
> thingie.
> You need it, I don't. But I'm sure if I did there is a small Windows
> compatible app available.

The readability problems solved by Tofu have little if anything to do with
the size of the screen... nor did your claim have anything to do with *your*
preferences. If you are looking to change your claim from the universal and
silly claim that Win 7 does all that other OSs do to the more reasonable one
that Win 7 serves your needs well then I have no argument against that. I
have no desire to convince you to use any other OS than the one you want to.

....
>>> Now I know you've never used Windows Media Center in Windows 7.
>>> Too bad!
>>
>> Nothing to do with Automator. Seriously, you would do better to read the
>> comments you are replying to.
>
> I strongly suggest you first test drive Windows 7 before making any more
> of your err..."comments" about it.

I use Win 7. And your comments have nothing to do with Automator. Still.

Just so you know, you are in way over your head - if you actually had
information of value you would have shared it by now.



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Snit

Flightless Bird
Frank stated in post 4b4a8456@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:52 PM:

> Snit wrote:
>> Frank stated in post 4b4a7e8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:27 PM:
>>
>>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>>>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser
>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>>>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>>>>> Figures!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>>>> ...and the one in XP or Vista isn't?
>>> I've got all of those so I do speak from an actual users experience.
>>> Windows 7 Media Center is the best of all of them.
>>>
>> Nothing to do with the topic of the OS X media browser. Just thought you
>> should know. :)
>
> Have you ever even opened Windows 7...or its Media Center?

Yes: hence the reason I know it is not relevant.

> If so, what exactly do you see?
> Clue...all of your media (movies, pics, audio, tv etc)., at your fingertips.

Which is not relevant to the discussion. Please, if you need help
understanding what the OS X media browser is just ask... I can provide you
with more info!




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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-11, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>
> Snit wrote:
>> Frank stated in post 4b4a7e8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:27 PM:
>>
>>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>>>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>>>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>>>>> Figures!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>>>> ...and the one in XP or Vista isn't?
>>> I've got all of those so I do speak from an actual users experience.
>>> Windows 7 Media Center is the best of all of them.
>>>
>> Nothing to do with the topic of the OS X media browser. Just thought you
>> should know. :)
>
> Have you ever even opened Windows 7...or its Media Center?
> If so, what exactly do you see?
> Clue...all of your media (movies, pics, audio, tv etc)., at your fingertips.

...which begs the question: Why does this sort of bog standard sort of
thing for media server software require the very latest version of Windows
to get at? Why aren't the earlier versions of XP like this? Really, unless
Microsoft was just dropping the ball before the only thing that Win7 should
add is some additional driver support for things that didn't exist when the
previous releases didn't exist.

[deletia]

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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-11, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>>>
>>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>>> Figures!
>>>
>>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>>
>> ...and the one in XP or Vista isn't?
>
> I've got all of those so I do speak from an actual users experience.
> Windows 7 Media Center is the best of all of them.
>>
>> Sounds like a recent Apple commercial...
>
> Sounds like you've not used any of them. Especially Windows 7.

You mean a non-Lemming that hasn't rushed out to buy into the most
recent iteration of BS and broken promises? No.

Although I do have XP MCE, Front Row and Plex. I could even get the
current version of Sage if I really wanted to and I wouldn't have to buy
an entirely new OS to do it either.

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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-11, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Frank wrote:
>
>> Actually no "needs" anything except a spear, a cave and a good women.
>> Unless of course, you are a homosexual.
>
> Some people would consider food, water and a warm place to shit as
> needs. Judging from your "style", you probably shit in the woods and eat
> it and wash it down with piss and vinegar followed by "Oops...LOL!"
>

What do you want out of a $500 or $2000 lump of plastic, metal and silicon?

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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-11, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>> Nothingspecial wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>> Real world consumers do reject Linux by the millions. Maybe you
>>>>>> should follow the advice.
>>>>> Most never get the chance to try Linux because their computers come
>>>>> pre-loaded with Windows.
>>>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>>>> mental midgets?
>>>>
>>>> Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better for me but I can see
>>>> where Linux might be better for some others" without resorting to being a
>>>> lying jackass?
>>> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows 7...PERIOD!
>>
>> No one "needs" Windows.
>
> Actually no "needs" anything except a spear, a cave and a good women.
> Unless of course, you are a homosexual.

Mindless sophistry. We're talking about computers here.

>>
>> It's just what happens to be sold with most machines.
>
> I wonder why that is.

There have been a number of federal law enforcement actions on the
matter including one that dates back to illegal contracts dealing with
the preloading of MS-DOS on PCs.

>>
>> Perhaps there might even be a forced perception of needing to be "DOS compatable".
>
> Why not!

There's nothing particularly interesting in most of the applications that
Lemmings like to fixate about.

[deletia]

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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-11, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>>
>>> ceed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>> [deletia]
>>>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>>>>> of this family?
>>>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>>>> alternatives.
>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>>
>> What? Be maintenance free?
>>
>> Not bloodly likely.
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>> A consumer computer needs to be something that the consumer can
>> treat like a toaster (at least from the sysadmin point of view) once
>> everything is set up.
>>
>> Anal updates?
>
> Did you pull that one of your anus?

How persistent do you have to be with your system updates to avoid
the "blame the user" approach to your problems when you start to have
them with Windows?

>
> Anti-virus?
>
> WSE
>
> Paranoid web browsing?
>
> Not me!
>>
>> None of that should be necessary.
>
> So you don't do updates huh?
> And of course no linux desktop or serve has ever been hacked or infected
> right?

Why would it be?

I don't run apps that unecessarily blur the boundary between data and
programs and I don't run any unecessary outward facing network services.

> Oh and you still can't play computer games, a multi-billion dollar
> business on any of the 500+ linux distros.
> Sorry!
>

So that's what Windows is reduced to now? Wintendo?

Don't let the rubes near a Wii. The old "games" line won't work on them anymore.

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Snit

Flightless Bird
JEDIDIAH stated in post slrnhkl3c5.9r0.jedi@nomad.mishnet on 1/10/10 7:31
PM:

>>> Nothing to do with the topic of the OS X media browser. Just thought you
>>> should know. :)
>>
>> Have you ever even opened Windows 7...or its Media Center?
>> If so, what exactly do you see?
>> Clue...all of your media (movies, pics, audio, tv etc)., at your fingertips.
>
> ...which begs the question: Why does this sort of bog standard sort of
> thing for media server software require the very latest version of Windows
> to get at? Why aren't the earlier versions of XP like this? Really, unless
> Microsoft was just dropping the ball before the only thing that Win7 should
> add is some additional driver support for things that didn't exist when the
> previous releases didn't exist.

The real question is why he is focusing on a media center and ignoring the
topic of an OS-wide media browser. :)


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Frank

Flightless Bird
Snit wrote:
> Frank stated in post 4b4a838b$2@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:48 PM:
>
> ...
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>
> ...
>>>>> <http://amarsagoo.info/tofu/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I found Tofu I did not like reading even relatively large selections
>>>>> of text on screen. Now I do not mind it so much. And, better yet, I can
>>>>> select text from almost any program and right click on it and bring it into
>>>>> Tofu - that is from the OS X Services capability (something else Windows
>>>>> does not have - and this is a built in feature of OS X!)
>>>> I'm glad it works for you but I don't have that problem. I can adjust
>>>> test size with my mouse scroll wheel on the fly and I use two 28' LCD
>>>> wide screen monitors at 1900 x 1200 res.
>>> Has nothing to do with size of screens or text.
>> I has to do with "readability". Columnizing text is a personal taste
>> thingie.
>> You need it, I don't. But I'm sure if I did there is a small Windows
>> compatible app available.
>
> The readability problems solved by Tofu have little if anything to do with
> the size of the screen...

Really? Screen size and text size has everything to do with readability.


nor did your claim have anything to do with *your*
> preferences.

It has everything to do with "my preference".

If you are looking to change your claim from the universal and
> silly claim that Win 7 does all that other OSs do to the more reasonable one
> that Win 7 serves your needs well then I have no argument against that.

Then lets just say we are in agreement.

I
> have no desire to convince you to use any other OS than the one you want to.

Nor I you.
>
> ...
>>>> Now I know you've never used Windows Media Center in Windows 7.
>>>> Too bad!
>>> Nothing to do with Automator. Seriously, you would do better to read the
>>> comments you are replying to.
>> I strongly suggest you first test drive Windows 7 before making any more
>> of your err..."comments" about it.
>
> I use Win 7.

Sorry but I seriously doubt that.

And your comments have nothing to do with Automator. Still.
>
> Just so you know, you are in way over your head - if you actually had
> information of value you would have shared it by now.

I think you've just proved that you don't use Windows 7.
I now know...that you are the one who is in way over his head.
Oops!

BTW FYI...I fought the mac vs pc graphic/printer/file type wars a
decade ago...and guess who won?
Oops!
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
Snit wrote:
> Frank stated in post 4b4a8456@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:52 PM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a7e8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:27 PM:
>>>
>>>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>> On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>>>>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser
>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>>>>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>>>>>> Figures!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>>>>> ...and the one in XP or Vista isn't?
>>>> I've got all of those so I do speak from an actual users experience.
>>>> Windows 7 Media Center is the best of all of them.
>>>>
>>> Nothing to do with the topic of the OS X media browser. Just thought you
>>> should know. :)
>> Have you ever even opened Windows 7...or its Media Center?
>
> Yes: hence the reason I know it is not relevant.

Ahhhh...proof that you do use nor have you ever open Windows 7 Media Center.
>
>> If so, what exactly do you see?
>> Clue...all of your media (movies, pics, audio, tv etc)., at your fingertips.
>
> Which is not relevant to the discussion.

Of course it is.

Please, if you need help
> understanding what the OS X media browser is just ask...

The vid was lying or mis leading?

I can provide you
> with more info!

I doubt that seeing as you're in a real sate of confusion and denial.

But keep going...I'm enjoying seeing someone even deeper in denial that
cody is.
 
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Snit

Flightless Bird
Frank stated in post 4b4a97ef$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 8:15 PM:

> Snit wrote:
>> Frank stated in post 4b4a838b$2@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 6:48 PM:
>>
>> ...
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>>
>> ...
>>>>>> <http://amarsagoo.info/tofu/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I found Tofu I did not like reading even relatively large
>>>>>> selections
>>>>>> of text on screen. Now I do not mind it so much. And, better yet, I can
>>>>>> select text from almost any program and right click on it and bring it
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> Tofu - that is from the OS X Services capability (something else Windows
>>>>>> does not have - and this is a built in feature of OS X!)
>>>>> I'm glad it works for you but I don't have that problem. I can adjust
>>>>> test size with my mouse scroll wheel on the fly and I use two 28' LCD
>>>>> wide screen monitors at 1900 x 1200 res.
>>>> Has nothing to do with size of screens or text.
>>> I has to do with "readability". Columnizing text is a personal taste
>>> thingie.
>>> You need it, I don't. But I'm sure if I did there is a small Windows
>>> compatible app available.
>>
>> The readability problems solved by Tofu have little if anything to do with
>> the size of the screen...
>
> Really? Screen size and text size has everything to do with readability.

Not with the readability problems solved by Tofu - correct. In fact, Tofu
does *nothing* to make your screen even a little bigger, though you can set
the font size in it to pretty much anything you want.

> nor did your claim have anything to do with *your*
>> preferences.
>
> It has everything to do with "my preference".

A softening of your initial claim. Great... much less controversial.

-----
Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
-----

Your current claim is just about you and not about Windows 7. Use what you
like.

> If you are looking to change your claim from the universal and
>> silly claim that Win 7 does all that other OSs do to the more reasonable one
>> that Win 7 serves your needs well then I have no argument against that.
>
> Then lets just say we are in agreement.

In the idea that you should use what you like - sure.

> I
>> have no desire to convince you to use any other OS than the one you want to.
>
> Nor I you.
>>
>> ...
>>>>> Now I know you've never used Windows Media Center in Windows 7.
>>>>> Too bad!
>>>> Nothing to do with Automator. Seriously, you would do better to read the
>>>> comments you are replying to.
>>> I strongly suggest you first test drive Windows 7 before making any more
>>> of your err..."comments" about it.
>>
>> I use Win 7.
>
> Sorry but I seriously doubt that.

Doubt what you wish... but look up my comments... I have spoken often about
it and my liking of it.

> And your comments have nothing to do with Automator. Still.
>>
>> Just so you know, you are in way over your head - if you actually had
>> information of value you would have shared it by now.
>
> I think you've just proved that you don't use Windows 7.
> I now know...that you are the one who is in way over his head.
> Oops!

By all means - tell me what you think Media Center has to do with
*Automator*. Really... you are simply clueless.

> BTW FYI...I fought the mac vs pc graphic/printer/file type wars a
> decade ago...and guess who won?
> Oops!

Given your current inability to make a point, no doubt you lost.

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