Ubuntu Rulez! Windows 7 Drools.

[Frank]

Snit wrote:
> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>
>> ceed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>>>> mental midgets? Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better
>>>> for me but I can see where Linux might be better for some others"
>>>> without resorting to being a lying jackass?
>>>> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows
>>>> 7...PERIOD!
>>> "One needs"? I am one I and I do not need Windows 7.
>> If you actually had a legal RTM copy of Windows 7 it would be the only
>> OS your family ever needed.
>
> I have it and run it in virtualization. It does not serve me as well as
> other options.

If you say so.

>>>> Don't believe me? Theoretically take a Mother, Father and say 8 yr
>>>> old child (typical family) into a big box store that offers computers
>>>> with either Windows, linux (any of the 500+ distros) or Apple
>>>> installed. Its the consumers choice which one they want.
>>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>>>> of this family?
>>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>>> alternatives.
>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>
> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>
> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.

So you're a mac'er huh?
Figures!

Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!

 

[Snit]

Frank stated in post 4b4a2a8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 12:29 PM:

> Snit wrote:
>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>
>>> ceed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>>>>> mental midgets? Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better
>>>>> for me but I can see where Linux might be better for some others"
>>>>> without resorting to being a lying jackass?
>>>>> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows
>>>>> 7...PERIOD!
>>>> "One needs"? I am one I and I do not need Windows 7.
>>> If you actually had a legal RTM copy of Windows 7 it would be the only
>>> OS your family ever needed.
>>
>> I have it and run it in virtualization. It does not serve me as well as
>> other options.
>
> If you say so.

I do!

>>>>> Don't believe me? Theoretically take a Mother, Father and say 8 yr
>>>>> old child (typical family) into a big box store that offers computers
>>>>> with either Windows, linux (any of the 500+ distros) or Apple
>>>>> installed. Its the consumers choice which one they want.
>>>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>>>>> of this family?
>>>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>>>> alternatives.
>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>>
>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>
>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>
> So you're a mac'er huh?
> Figures!
>
> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!

Oh, I have been using Win 7 and think highly of it. Much better than XP or
any other version of Windows I have used. But I also know it does not do
all I want a computer to do.



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[ceed]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:20:28 -0600, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser
> is.
> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.

I, nor anyone one I know, need to use any of those programs/suites. If I
did need to I would prolly have to run Windows which would not be a
horror. It would take some getting used to though. And there are things
Linux can do that the others can not. One thing being running for weeks on
end on my laptop without one crash or reboot required. Now that's more
worth to me than being able to run an iWhatever suite. But then again,
that's me. For many people Windows is their only option simply because
they do not know it's not.

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[Snit]

ceed stated in post op.u6b07ppc325jvr@christian-laptop on 1/10/10 12:46 PM:

> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:20:28 -0600, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.

>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>
> I, nor anyone one I know, need to use any of those programs/suites. If I did
> need to I would prolly have to run Windows which would not be a horror.

Well, those are Mac programs... but same idea.

And this is not to say that there are not programs on Windows which are
better than they are on OS X... heck, MS Office is available on OS X but it
is better, in my view, on Windows.

I am hard pressed to think of programs that are better on Linux - because of
the open source nature of so many programs, they are generally ported to
other OSs and are usually just as good there. Where there are exceptions,
there are usually other alternatives on those OSs.

Linux does have the benefit of being being free... and that is a very big
benefit to many.

> It would take some getting used to though. And there are things Linux can do
> that the others can not. One thing being running for weeks on end on my
> laptop without one crash or reboot required.

I generally would say the same thing about OS X...

> Now that's more worth to me than being able to run an iWhatever suite. But
> then again, that's me. For many people Windows is their only option simply
> because they do not know it's not.

I know Windows, OS X and Linux... though Linux not as well as the other two.


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[Frank]

Snit wrote:
> Frank stated in post 4b4a2a8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 12:29 PM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>
>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>>>>>> mental midgets? Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better
>>>>>> for me but I can see where Linux might be better for some others"
>>>>>> without resorting to being a lying jackass?
>>>>>> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows
>>>>>> 7...PERIOD!
>>>>> "One needs"? I am one I and I do not need Windows 7.
>>>> If you actually had a legal RTM copy of Windows 7 it would be the only
>>>> OS your family ever needed.
>>> I have it and run it in virtualization. It does not serve me as well as
>>> other options.
>> If you say so.
>
> I do!
>
>>>>>> Don't believe me? Theoretically take a Mother, Father and say 8 yr
>>>>>> old child (typical family) into a big box store that offers computers
>>>>>> with either Windows, linux (any of the 500+ distros) or Apple
>>>>>> installed. Its the consumers choice which one they want.
>>>>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>>>>>> of this family?
>>>>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>>>>> alternatives.
>>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>>
>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>> Figures!
>>
>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>
> Oh, I have been using Win 7 and think highly of it. Much better than XP or
> any other version of Windows I have used. But I also know it does not do
> all I want a computer to do.
>
>
>
Like what?

 

[Frank]

ceed wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>> mental midgets? Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better
>> for me but I can see where Linux might be better for some others"
>> without resorting to being a lying jackass?
>
>> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows
>> 7...PERIOD!
>
> "One needs"? I am one I and I do not need Windows 7.
>
>> Don't believe me? Theoretically take a Mother, Father and say 8 yr
>> old child (typical family) into a big box store that offers computers
>> with either Windows, linux (any of the 500+ distros) or Apple
>> installed. Its the consumers choice which one they want.
>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>> of this family?
>
> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
> alternatives. I have chosen Linux for us, and since the others do not
> really care as long as they can do their stuff, Linux it is. There's
> been some growling from the kids when the occasional game has needed
> some extra attention to get it to work.
>
>> Well...?
>
> All well!
>
>> NO FUCKING LYING ALLOWED!!!
>
> Ok,
>
>> Oops!
>
>
So you don't use Windows so why are you bashing Windows and cross
posting into this Windows 7 ng, huh?

 

[ceed]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:13:05 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:

> Oh, I have been using Win 7 and think highly of it. Much better than
> XP or
> any other version of Windows I have used. But I also know it does not do
> all I want a computer to do.
> Like what?

May I chime in here? Like being immune to malware and viruses and not
require a plethora of software and security measures to stay productive
for more than a month. I think Win 7 is better in that regard also, but
companies like Symantec and such are still making a buck on Win 7 users I
imagine, right?

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[ceed]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:19:24 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:

> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser
> is.
> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
> I, nor anyone one I know, need to use any of those programs/suites. If
> I did need to I would prolly have to run Windows which would not be a
> horror. It would take some getting used to though. And there are things
> Linux can do that the others can not. One thing being running for weeks
> on end on my laptop without one crash or reboot required.

> That is such a stupid, telling statement. First off, WTF runs a laptop
> 24/7?

I do. It's the only computer I use these days. I suspend to ram from time
to time though.

> Secondly, Windows 7 is as stable if not more stable than any linux
> distro available.

Really? I'm not entirely sure that is correct.

> Thirdly, occasionally re-booting is also needed even if you're using
> linux.

Sure is, but it isn't very often.

> BFD!
> Now that's
> more worth to me than being able to run an iWhatever suite. But then
> again, that's me.
> Those are all apple apps.

I have no idea what they are, sorry!

> For many people Windows is their only option simply
> because they do not know it's not.
> Windows suits more users than linux or apple even given the choice and
> at the same price.
> Live with it.


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[Snit]

Frank stated in post 4b4a34d5@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 1:13 PM:

> Snit wrote:
>> Frank stated in post 4b4a2a8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 12:29 PM:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>>>>>>> mental midgets? Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better
>>>>>>> for me but I can see where Linux might be better for some others"
>>>>>>> without resorting to being a lying jackass?
>>>>>>> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows
>>>>>>> 7...PERIOD!
>>>>>> "One needs"? I am one I and I do not need Windows 7.
>>>>> If you actually had a legal RTM copy of Windows 7 it would be the only
>>>>> OS your family ever needed.
>>>> I have it and run it in virtualization. It does not serve me as well as
>>>> other options.
>>> If you say so.
>>
>> I do!
>>
>>>>>>> Don't believe me? Theoretically take a Mother, Father and say 8 yr
>>>>>>> old child (typical family) into a big box store that offers computers
>>>>>>> with either Windows, linux (any of the 500+ distros) or Apple
>>>>>>> installed. Its the consumers choice which one they want.
>>>>>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>>>>>>> of this family?
>>>>>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>>>>>> alternatives.
>>>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>>>
>>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>>> Figures!
>>>
>>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>>
>> Oh, I have been using Win 7 and think highly of it. Much better than XP or
>> any other version of Windows I have used. But I also know it does not do
>> all I want a computer to do.
>>
>>
>>
> Like what?

Well, I listed some above. Let's just stick with this - nothing on Win 7 to
compete with Tofu (which I use often), DreamCatcher (which is important to
my workflow in multiple capacities), iWork, iLife, etc. There is also no
media browser, etc.

Not to say Windows 7 is not good... and does not have its own benefits. I
have MS Office on both Mac and Windows, but for any documents where I need a
TOC, bibliography, multiple styles, etc. I think the Windows version is far
better.


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[Frank]

ceed wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:13:05 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>> Oh, I have been using Win 7 and think highly of it. Much better than
>> XP or
>> any other version of Windows I have used. But I also know it does not do
>> all I want a computer to do.
>> Like what?
>
> May I chime in here? Like being immune to malware and viruses...

How to write a Linux virus in 5 easy steps
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229

If it hasn't happened...it will...if linux ever gets into the mass
desktop market.
That's a BIG IF!!!...LOL!

and not
> require a plethora of software and security measures to stay productive
> for more than a month.

I see you're not at all familiar with Vista or Windows 7. Also WTF are
you surfing that you continually run into virus/malware?

I think Win 7 is better in that regard also, but
> companies like Symantec and such are still making a buck on Win 7 users
> I imagine, right?

Really? I haven't used Norton Security for years. Also Symantec now
makes a lot more software than just Norton Security.
The only security software I now use is Microsoft Security
Essentials...its free and made by MS for Windows.

 

[Frank]

ceed wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:19:24 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media
>> browser is.
>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>> I, nor anyone one I know, need to use any of those programs/suites.
>> If I did need to I would prolly have to run Windows which would not be
>> a horror. It would take some getting used to though. And there are
>> things Linux can do that the others can not. One thing being running
>> for weeks on end on my laptop without one crash or reboot required.
>
>> That is such a stupid, telling statement. First off, WTF runs a laptop
>> 24/7?
>
> I do. It's the only computer I use these days. I suspend to ram from
> time to time though.

That's really not believable cause if you take your laptop anywhere in a
any type of carrying case when its in any kind of "suspend" mode it will
still be using energy and creating heat. I know cause I've accidentally
done that and when I took it out of its case it was very hot. Heat and
dirt are the enemies of all electronics.
>
>> Secondly, Windows 7 is as stable if not more stable than any linux
>> distro available.
>
> Really? I'm not entirely sure that is correct.

I've not been infected...ever.
>
>> Thirdly, occasionally re-booting is also needed even if you're using
>> linux.
>
> Sure is, but it isn't very often.

Nor is re-booting because of an update or app install with Vista/Win 7.
But is re-booting that big of a deal?
Oh, I don't ever re-boot my Microsoft Windows Home Server and it runs 24/7.
Oops!
>
>> BFD!
>> Now that's
>> more worth to me than being able to run an iWhatever suite. But then
>> again, that's me.
>> Those are all apple apps.
>
> I have no idea what they are, sorry!
>
>> For many people Windows is their only option simply
>> because they do not know it's not.
>> Windows suits more users than linux or apple even given the choice
>> and at the same price.
>> Live with it.
>
>

 

[Frank]

Snit wrote:
> Frank stated in post 4b4a34d5@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 1:13 PM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a2a8e@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 12:29 PM:
>>>
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ceed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>>>>>>>> mental midgets? Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better
>>>>>>>> for me but I can see where Linux might be better for some others"
>>>>>>>> without resorting to being a lying jackass?
>>>>>>>> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows
>>>>>>>> 7...PERIOD!
>>>>>>> "One needs"? I am one I and I do not need Windows 7.
>>>>>> If you actually had a legal RTM copy of Windows 7 it would be the only
>>>>>> OS your family ever needed.
>>>>> I have it and run it in virtualization. It does not serve me as well as
>>>>> other options.
>>>> If you say so.
>>> I do!
>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't believe me? Theoretically take a Mother, Father and say 8 yr
>>>>>>>> old child (typical family) into a big box store that offers computers
>>>>>>>> with either Windows, linux (any of the 500+ distros) or Apple
>>>>>>>> installed. Its the consumers choice which one they want.
>>>>>>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>>>>>>>> of this family?
>>>>>>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>>>>>>> alternatives.
>>>>>> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
>>>>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>>>>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>>>>
>>>>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>>>> So you're a mac'er huh?
>>>> Figures!
>>>>
>>>> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!
>>> Oh, I have been using Win 7 and think highly of it. Much better than XP or
>>> any other version of Windows I have used. But I also know it does not do
>>> all I want a computer to do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Like what?
>
> Well, I listed some above. Let's just stick with this - nothing on Win 7 to
> compete with Tofu (which I use often),

I have no idea what tofu is other than a food...I think its listed as a
"food"!

DreamCatcher (which is important to
> my workflow in multiple capacities), iWork, iLife, etc.

All for mac's

There is also no
> media browser, etc.
>
No media browser?
What is Windows Media Player?
What is Windows Media Center?

> Not to say Windows 7 is not good... and does not have its own benefits. I
> have MS Office on both Mac and Windows, but for any documents where I need a
> TOC, bibliography, multiple styles, etc. I think the Windows version is far
> better.
>
>

 

[ceed]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:00:49 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:

> ceed wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:13:05 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I have been using Win 7 and think highly of it. Much better than
>>> XP or
>>> any other version of Windows I have used. But I also know it does not
>>> do
>>> all I want a computer to do.
>>> Like what?
>> May I chime in here? Like being immune to malware and viruses...
>
> How to write a Linux virus in 5 easy steps
> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229
>
> If it hasn't happened...it will...if linux ever gets into the mass
> desktop market.
> That's a BIG IF!!!...LOL!

You may actually be correct on this one. However, in the meantime I am
enjoying not having to worry about it.
>
> and not
>> require a plethora of software and security measures to stay
>> productive for more than a month.
>
> I see you're not at all familiar with Vista or Windows 7. Also WTF are
> you surfing that you continually run into virus/malware?

Doesn't matter what I surf since I'm on Linux. I've heard that some people
got to unsafe porn sites on Windows. Maybe that's how they get infected
(in more ways than one even)?
>
> I think Win 7 is better in that regard also, but
>> companies like Symantec and such are still making a buck on Win 7 users
>> I imagine, right?
>
> Really? I haven't used Norton Security for years. Also Symantec now
> makes a lot more software than just Norton Security.
> The only security software I now use is Microsoft Security
> Essentials...its free and made by MS for Windows.
>
Must be really good then since it's made by MS for Windows!

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[Snit]

Frank stated in post 4b4a4296$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 2:11 PM:

....
>>> Like what?
>>
>> Well, I listed some above. Let's just stick with this - nothing on Win 7 to
>> compete with Tofu (which I use often),
>
> I have no idea what tofu is other than a food...I think its listed as a
> "food"!

If you do not know what is offered on alternative platforms, how do you
claim to know:

-----
Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
-----

Perhaps you just meant you had not found things that Windows 7 did not allow
you to do as well as the alternatives. In any case, here is a link to the
Tofu page:

<http/amarsagoo.info/tofu/>

Before I found Tofu I did not like reading even relatively large selections
of text on screen. Now I do not mind it so much. And, better yet, I can
select text from almost any program and right click on it and bring it into
Tofu - that is from the OS X Services capability (something else Windows
does not have - and this is a built in feature of OS X!)

>> DreamCatcher (which is important to
>> my workflow in multiple capacities), iWork, iLife, etc.
>
> All for mac's

Right... in response to your claim that Windows 7 will do what the 'others"
do and more. It does not.

>> There is also no media browser, etc.
>>
> No media browser?
> What is Windows Media Player?
> What is Windows Media Center?

I can see your confusion being that you are not familiar with the
alternatives. I meant the capability to access the play lists of Windows
Media player from other programs... as you can access music and video play
lists, image albums, etc., from other programs in OS X. Here is info on it:

<http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsPO0a0lKc0>

What is shown in that video is, well, not that great - they show dragging a
folder to the media browser when you could have just opened the folder and
done the same thing! But watch carefully from about :15 to :20. Notice
that the media browser taps into the media from multiple sources - whether
from folders *or* as you organize in iPhoto or whatever. And this is
available not just in Apple software but lots of third party software - even
in the Open dialogs if not added by the developer. Nothing like it on any
other OS as far as I know.

Now combine that with a biggie I forgot to mention - Automator:
<http/www.dailymotion.com/video/x2urhf_apple-automator-media-browser_tech>

What is like Automator on Windows? It is much like Unix piping but with a
GUI.

>> Not to say Windows 7 is not good... and does not have its own benefits. I
>> have MS Office on both Mac and Windows, but for any documents where I need a
>> TOC, bibliography, multiple styles, etc. I think the Windows version is far
>> better.
>>
>>



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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>
>
> Snit wrote:
>> Frank stated in post 4b4a21d6$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 11:51 AM:
>>
>>> ceed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:

[deletia]

>> Find programs similar to Tofu and DreamCatcher. Find a suite similar to
>> iLife. Find a suite similar to iWork. Show me where the media browser is.
>>
>> No... Win 7 is not the be-all and end-all of OSs.
>
> So you're a mac'er huh?
> Figures!
>
> Oh and the Media Center in Windows 7 is excellent!

....and the one in XP or Vista isn't?

Sounds like a recent Apple commercial...

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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-09, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>
> Nothingspecial wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:19:14 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>> "PeterKöhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
>>> news:hi83lt$utp$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:i90fk55o0hegfbqfrf97o894cb7leeko9m@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu has been free for years yet hasn't taken over lead on the
>>>>>>>> desktop.
>>>>>>>> The above statement is FACT you IDIOT.
>>>>>> That's not what's in dispute, you dumbshit. What was claimed was that
>>>>>> "real world consumers rejected" Linux. No such thing occurred.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are you stupid? You are not following very well. Maybe you have
>>>>> reading
>>>>> comprehension problems. Better turn off your computer. Go outside.
>>>>> Pick some trash on the side of the road.
>>>> Follow your own advice, then. Because he is right, and you are not
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Real world consumers do reject Linux by the millions. Maybe you should
>>> follow the advice.
>>
>> Most never get the chance to try Linux because their computers come
>> pre-loaded with Windows.
>
> Ever wonder why that is?

MS-DOS won out against MacOS.

WinDOS has been preloaded on pretty much all PCs since before the
first line of the Linux kernel was written and since before the first
line of KDE was written.

Apple with a well established brand and company and product and a
very effective advertising campaign for over 3 years even has a problem
putting much a dent in the hegemony even with machines that are now no
more expensive than the common fodder at Costco or Best Buy.

[deletia]

"Salesmanship" usually wins out.

If you are lucky, your preferred product won't have to deal with
being tied (or not) to nearly every other product in the market.

Soup and cars are nice this way.

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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
>
>
> chrisv wrote:
>> Nothingspecial wrote:
>>
>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>> Real world consumers do reject Linux by the millions. Maybe you
>>>> should follow the advice.
>>> Most never get the chance to try Linux because their computers come
>>> pre-loaded with Windows.
>>
>> Is there just some rule that Windows supporters have to be liars and
>> mental midgets?
>>
>> Why can't we see someone say "Windows works better for me but I can see
>> where Linux might be better for some others" without resorting to being a
>> lying jackass?
>
> Cause that is simply not true. One needs only one OS...Windows 7...PERIOD!

No one "needs" Windows.

It's just what happens to be sold with most machines.

Perhaps there might even be a forced perception of needing to be "DOS compatable".

>
> Don't believe me? Theoretically take a Mother, Father and say 8 yr old
> child (typical family) into a big box store that offers computers with
> either Windows, linux (any of the 500+ distros) or Apple installed. Its
> the consumers choice which one they want.
> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs of
> this family?

Probably the Mac since it won't root itself, it comes with most of what mundane
users want/need already preloaded, has good enough 3rd party software support
and typically very good in terms of n00b interfaces.

The big lie has always been that Windows is somehow a proper Mac clone.

> Well...?
> NO FUCKING LYING ALLOWED!!!
> Oops!


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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-10, Lee Waun <leewaun@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> "Nothingspecial" <nothingspecial4u2c@blogmail.org> wrote in message
> news:10umpmx3kjcdm$.6ke9yj1w1mgm.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:19:14 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>> "PeterKöhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
>>> news:hi83lt$utp$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:i90fk55o0hegfbqfrf97o894cb7leeko9m@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu has been free for years yet hasn't taken over lead on the
>>>>>>>> desktop.
>>>>>>>> The above statement is FACT you IDIOT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not what's in dispute, you dumbshit. What was claimed was that
>>>>>> "real world consumers rejected" Linux. No such thing occurred.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you stupid? You are not following very well. Maybe you have
>>>>> reading
>>>>> comprehension problems. Better turn off your computer. Go outside.
>>>>> Pick some trash on the side of the road.
>>>>
>>>> Follow your own advice, then. Because he is right, and you are not
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Real world consumers do reject Linux by the millions. Maybe you should
>>> follow the advice.
>>
>> Most never get the chance to try Linux because their computers come
>> pre-loaded with Windows. Things might be different if the consumer was
>> offered a choice of a Windows machine, a Linux machine or a machine
>> with no operating system on it.
>> The problem is that Microsoft has such a huge installed base, Linux
>> has a difficult time overcoming the Microsoft inertia effect. If
>> people aren't using Linux it's not because of the quality of Linux
>> because Linux is at least as good as Windows in many ways, better in
>> most and not as good in some others.
>> --
>> Nothingspecial
>> Pickers Rule!
>> 1/8/2010 7:49:19 PM
>
> When netbooks came out the majority came with linux installed on them. MSI
> has stopped installing linux on it's netbooks as the rate of returns for
> netbooks with linux on them was 3 times higher than models that had win xp
> on them.
>
> Here is a case of the manufacturer offering linux and the public rejected

....in the meantime. Dell continues to sell 33% of it's machines with Linux.

It's hard to judge what anyone wants if a product doesn't stay on the market
long enough for people to see it or hear about it.

> it. Linux machines where also cheaper than machines with win xp on them but
> it sill didn't matter the more expensive win xp machines outsold the linux
> machines despite being cheaper.
>
>
>


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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-10, Frank <fb@vsta.msg> wrote:
>
>
> ceed wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0600, Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote:
[deletia]
>>> Which one, and only which one will fulfill ALL of the computing needs
>>> of this family?
>>
>> If we're talking my family we could probably live with all three
>> alternatives.
>
> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.

What? Be maintenance free?

Not bloodly likely.

[deletia]

A consumer computer needs to be something that the consumer can
treat like a toaster (at least from the sysadmin point of view) once
everything is set up.

Anal updates? Anti-virus? Paranoid web browsing?

None of that should be necessary.

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[Frank]

Snit wrote:
> Frank stated in post 4b4a4296$1@news.x-privat.org on 1/10/10 2:11 PM:
>
> ...
>>>> Like what?
>>> Well, I listed some above. Let's just stick with this - nothing on Win 7 to
>>> compete with Tofu (which I use often),
>> I have no idea what tofu is other than a food...I think its listed as a
>> "food"!
>
> If you do not know what is offered on alternative platforms, how do you
> claim to know:
>
> -----
> Windows 7 will do everything including all that the others can't do.
> -----
i.e. play the real games.
>
> Perhaps you just meant you had not found things that Windows 7 did not allow
> you to do as well as the alternatives. In any case, here is a link to the
> Tofu page:
>
> <http/amarsagoo.info/tofu/>
>
> Before I found Tofu I did not like reading even relatively large selections
> of text on screen. Now I do not mind it so much. And, better yet, I can
> select text from almost any program and right click on it and bring it into
> Tofu - that is from the OS X Services capability (something else Windows
> does not have - and this is a built in feature of OS X!)

I'm glad it works for you but I don't have that problem. I can adjust
test size with my mouse scroll wheel on the fly and I use two 28' LCD
wide screen monitors at 1900 x 1200 res.
>
>>> DreamCatcher (which is important to
>>> my workflow in multiple capacities), iWork, iLife, etc.
>> All for mac's
>
> Right... in response to your claim that Windows 7 will do what the 'others"
> do and more. It does not.
>
>>> There is also no media browser, etc.
>>>
>> No media browser?
>> What is Windows Media Player?
>> What is Windows Media Center?
>
> I can see your confusion being that you are not familiar with the
> alternatives. I meant the capability to access the play lists of Windows
> Media player from other programs... as you can access music and video play
> lists, image albums, etc., from other programs in OS X. Here is info on it:
>
> <http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsPO0a0lKc0>

>
> What is shown in that video is, well, not that great - they show dragging a
> folder to the media browser when you could have just opened the folder and
> done the same thing! But watch carefully from about :15 to :20. Notice
> that the media browser taps into the media from multiple sources - whether
> from folders *or* as you organize in iPhoto or whatever. And this is
> available not just in Apple software but lots of third party software - even
> in the Open dialogs if not added by the developer. Nothing like it on any
> other OS as far as I know.
>
And I see your confusion being that you're not familiar with Windows.
Your vid shows a brochure being created and a folder being dragged and
dropped into a media folder. You can do all of that just a easily in
Windows & by dragging and dropping the folders into the "Libraries" folder.
I don't see anything so special about that.

> Now combine that with a biggie I forgot to mention - Automator:
> <http/www.dailymotion.com/video/x2urhf_apple-automator-media-browser_tech>
>
> What is like Automator on Windows? It is much like Unix piping but with a
> GUI.
>
Now I know you've never used Windows Media Center in Windows 7.
Too bad!

>>> Not to say Windows 7 is not good... and does not have its own benefits. I
>>> have MS Office on both Mac and Windows, but for any documents where I need a
>>> TOC, bibliography, multiple styles, etc. I think the Windows version is far
>>> better.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>