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Ubuntu, not worth a dime. No wonder they don't charge.

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Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hkc8is$cm1$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:hkbric$ejh$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading something else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about like this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found out I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually install you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add
>>>>>>>>>>>>> packman to the repository so that you can download the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> win32 codecs and libdvdcss and install them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this leads to other dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> codec needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu
>>>>>>>>>>>> Restricted Extras.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>>>>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it
>>>>>>>>>>> is legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was
>>>>>>>>> missing a required library. So I checked around on various
>>>>>>>>> mirrors and downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally
>>>>>>>>> works. Totem tried to run, but crashed for whatever reasons...
>>>>>>>>> so I started up MPlayer and it worked pretty good. But it took
>>>>>>>>> me a bit too long to find a solution and I just about gave it up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try viewing the DVDs in VLC Player. I also strongly recommend
>>>>>>>> you upgrade to Karmic and use the ext4 file system. It's much
>>>>>>>> smoother and faster than ext3. Karmic's general appearance is
>>>>>>>> much nicer too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hear they made many improvements on the spinning cube.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You heard wrong. Course, you've never installed Ubuntu so all you
>>>>>> have is what comes out of your ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> You are so full of shit as usual. I installed Ubuntu
>>>>
>>>> No you didn't and you've proved it over and over again.
>>>>
>>>>> and once I realized that it didn't run the programs that I want, I
>>>>> removed that worthless piece of shit off my computer. Ubuntu is
>>>>> worth exactly what you pay for it: N O T H I N G !!! LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You didn't install it because you KNOW that Windows programs don't
>>>> work in Linux. You're just a FUD spreader and not a very good one at
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>> Oh the irony!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, you're the other one and you're even worse than the nymshifter
>> at it.
>>
> You have no shame at all do you.

Look who's talking!

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
ray wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:49:17 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:16:47 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:33:31 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer", can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without
>>>>>>>>> downloading something else and going through another 20 steps,
>>>>>>>>> can't, can't, can't, can't, can't and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>> come to appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just
>>>>>>>>> about like this app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out
>>>>>>>>> I couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>> Strange - I don't seem to have a problem with that.
>>>>>> Then please post the exact dvd player and how and where to get the
>>>>>> necessary codecs and libs and how to get the player to recognize
>>>>>> them. It isn't automatic.
>>>>> totem - add the libdvdcdss library - or whatever it's called - don't
>>>>> recall the details.
>>>> I finally found the missing library on a german mirror. Totem
>>>> crashed... restarted it and it tried to work then stalled. So I tried
>>>> MPlayer and it worked okay. Plus I had to run the install-css.sh.
>>>> Only one web site mentioned the precise procedure and it also checks
>>>> if you have everything installed.
>>> Cool - that's one myth put to bed. Except that frankie will probably
>>> call you a liar ;)
>> Projecting ray...the snake? You're a real FUD spreading, MS hating POS
>> ray...the snake.
>
> Just making a guess,...

Guess again snake.

based on your previous behavior.

You're the lying FUD spreader in here. This is after all, an ng
supposedly about Windows 7, something you don't have, nor use.

To my knowledge,
> you've never admitted that Linux was capable of doing anything...

Then you're a dumb as you sound.

- care to
> prove me wrong?

See above.


>
 
D

DanS

Flightless Bird
Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote in news:4b69a99d$1@news.x-privat.org:

> DanS wrote:
>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install
>>>> you.
>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>
>> You can't play DVD's on a default installation of Windows either.
>
> Really? What version of Windows are you referring to?

I guess I'd be referring to non-MediaCenter Editions of Windows...and
apparently, MS has included a DVD decoder in Home Premium & Ultimate in
Windows 7.

That's a first.
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> Yes I've tried a number of ubuntu distros over the years
>
> No, you haven't.
>
Lying comes so naturally to you, you don't even think about it.
As the sign says, this is a Windows 7 ng not a linux ng. Of course to a
lying characterless linturd troll like you that means nothing. You are a
real low life POS creep.
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hkc8is$cm1$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:hkbric$ejh$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading something else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just about like this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found out I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually install you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more people to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packman to the repository so that you can download the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win32 codecs and libdvdcss and install them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this leads to other dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another codec needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still won't work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restricted Extras.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was
>>>>>>>>>> missing a required library. So I checked around on various
>>>>>>>>>> mirrors and downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally
>>>>>>>>>> works. Totem tried to run, but crashed for whatever
>>>>>>>>>> reasons... so I started up MPlayer and it worked pretty good.
>>>>>>>>>> But it took me a bit too long to find a solution and I just
>>>>>>>>>> about gave it up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Try viewing the DVDs in VLC Player. I also strongly recommend
>>>>>>>>> you upgrade to Karmic and use the ext4 file system. It's much
>>>>>>>>> smoother and faster than ext3. Karmic's general appearance is
>>>>>>>>> much nicer too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hear they made many improvements on the spinning cube.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You heard wrong. Course, you've never installed Ubuntu so all you
>>>>>>> have is what comes out of your ass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are so full of shit as usual. I installed Ubuntu
>>>>>
>>>>> No you didn't and you've proved it over and over again.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and once I realized that it didn't run the programs that I want, I
>>>>>> removed that worthless piece of shit off my computer. Ubuntu is
>>>>>> worth exactly what you pay for it: N O T H I N G !!! LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't install it because you KNOW that Windows programs don't
>>>>> work in Linux. You're just a FUD spreader and not a very good one
>>>>> at that.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh the irony!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, you're the other one and you're even worse than the nymshifter
>>> at it.
>>>
>> You have no shame at all do you.
>
> Look who's talking!
>
You are one sick POS. At least I have the money to purchase Windows and
I use it. You on the other hand are obviously broke and can only use
pirated copies of Windows...and you spend all day long dissing Windows
and promoting that useless POS toy os you're so in love with.
Now look who is talking.
Loser!
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
DanS wrote:
> Frank <fb@amk.cmo> wrote in news:4b69a99d$1@news.x-privat.org:
>
>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install
>>>>> you.
>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>> You can't play DVD's on a default installation of Windows either.
>> Really? What version of Windows are you referring to?
>
> I guess I'd be referring to non-MediaCenter Editions of Windows...and
> apparently, MS has included a DVD decoder in Home Premium & Ultimate in
> Windows 7.
>
> That's a first.

Not really. You just hate MS don't you dan-o!
Pathetic!
 
G

GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more people
>>>>>>> to use
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman
>>>>>> to the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted Extras.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>
>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>
>>
>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing
>> a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and
>> downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried
>> to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer
>> and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a
>> solution and I just about gave it up.
>
> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade. My
> experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried linux.
> At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it quickly turns
> into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At that point in time,
> most simply get rid of it.
> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
> sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No real
> focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open source
> is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.

I've dumped so many distros in the past. That is why I now use VMWare
to try them out. If they don't work, it is very easy to get rid of
them... I just drag and drop the vm image for the distro into the trash
can. VirtualBox, tho it is free, is buggy, so that too went into the
trash can. Linux is ok if you are running it on an IBM mainframe and
program custom apps for business and get IBMs help along the way. For
home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis the
os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.
 
G

GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
ray wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:16:47 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:33:31 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>> "XYplorer", can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without
>>>>>>> downloading something else and going through another 20 steps,
>>>>>>> can't, can't, can't, can't, can't and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come
>>>>>>> to appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>> like this app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected
>>>>>>> the CD and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>> Strange - I don't seem to have a problem with that.
>>>> Then please post the exact dvd player and how and where to get the
>>>> necessary codecs and libs and how to get the player to recognize them.
>>>> It isn't automatic.
>>> totem - add the libdvdcdss library - or whatever it's called - don't
>>> recall the details.
>> I finally found the missing library on a german mirror. Totem
>> crashed... restarted it and it tried to work then stalled. So I tried
>> MPlayer and it worked okay. Plus I had to run the install-css.sh. Only
>> one web site mentioned the precise procedure and it also checks if you
>> have everything installed.
>
> Cool - that's one myth put to bed. Except that frankie will probably call
> you a liar ;)

But I also have Totem on Solaris 10. It won't play dvds either as Sun
says it violates some laws so they don't supply the necessary libs and
codecs. For the casual user after they install Ubuntu they'll find that
there are too many technical hurdles to jump or that the technical
hurdles become barriers to their own knowhow. I can see why many just
toss it out as it is free after all and don't feel any monetary loss.
It becomes a matter of value perception. For me, it wasn't the
technical barrier but having to find the necessary parts to make it work
out there on the web and for me it was 'where to look first'. I do have
IT experience with older VAX systems and UNIX systems, but the one thing
I always relied on was the vendor information support.
 
G

GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> Death wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Death wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart
>>>>>>> desires,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Canonical says you are a liar.
>>>>> Not what it says.
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/musicvideophotos/C/video-dvd.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some thieves simply ignore the law.
>>>>>> Not suprising.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Spain isn't one of those countries and a couple of clicks in the
>>>>> Software Center and all your needs are met in less than a minute.
>>>>>
>>>> Hmmm... I'm going to have a go with that above url and see if it
>>>> really works.
>>>
>>> There is no question that it really works.
>>
>> Well I'll be... I was missing one library. Plus they provided the
>> missing step: install-css.sh.
>>
>>> It does.
>>> The legality of it is the question.
>>
>> I've paid for the dvds so why can't I play them on Linux?
>> I don't see what the big legal deal is.
>>
>>> If it were legal to do so, then Canonical would bundle those codecs with
>>> the OS.
>>> They do not.
>>> This ain't rocket science.
>>>
>> No, it isn't. But you just about have to be a good sleuth to find the
>> info. That's the hard part.
>>
>> Totem doesn't work very well and it crashed after a while. So I tried
>> Mplayer and it worked pretty good. Of course running Linux under
>> VMWare Fusion has its other problems. An older Fedora distro started
>> the install and just froze up. I'm just interested in oses in general
>> and like to try them all if I can afford it. My next step, and the
>> hardest one, is to convince my wife in letting me buy a nice HP with
>> win7 on it.
>> Gotta do something in my golden years.
>
> Try Mint. It comes with everything already installed.
>

I haven't tried that one yet. It will actually depend on how well
VMWare will treat it.
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more
>>>>>>>> people to use
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman
>>>>>>> to the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted
>>>>>> Extras.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing
>>> a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and
>>> downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried
>>> to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer
>>> and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a
>>> solution and I just about gave it up.
>>
>> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade.
>> My experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried
>> linux. At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it
>> quickly turns into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At
>> that point in time, most simply get rid of it.
>> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
>> sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
>> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
>> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No
>> real focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
>> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open
>> source is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.
>
> I've dumped so many distros in the past. That is why I now use VMWare
> to try them out. If they don't work, it is very easy to get rid of
> them... I just drag and drop the vm image for the distro into the trash
> can. VirtualBox, tho it is free, is buggy, so that too went into the
> trash can. Linux is ok if you are running it on an IBM mainframe and
> program custom apps for business and get IBMs help along the way. For
> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis the
> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.

Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows because
that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a major effort.
The last OS other than Windows that I was excited about was BEos, but
Apple killed that one, so now I'm only interested in Windows and I
really like 7 and Windows Home Server.
Great products!
 
G

GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart
>>>>>>> desires,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People keep saying that, but do not provide the necessary steps in
>>>>>> getting them to run on Ubuntu. I've got 8.10 Ubuntu. It comes up
>>>>>> with a popup box saying I need the codecs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Upgrade to Karmic and go to Applications > Ubuntu Software Center >
>>>>> Other > Ubuntu restricted extras and install. You'll find Karmic a
>>>>> lot more user friendly than 8.10.
>>>>>
>>>> It is worth a shot. But I'm running low on blank dvds.
>>>
>>> A CD will do just fine, no need for a DVD.
>>>
>>
>> Just went down to Costco and got another stack of DVDs.
>> I've got plenty of bandwidth so I'm going to download the latest Ubuntu.
>> I notice that there are 5 separate 4.9Gb downloads to do. I'm not
>> sure why so large. (???)
>> All the other distros weigh in around 3.9Gb total.
>
> All the distros I've downloaded were less than 700 MB. From where are
> you downloading? Here?:
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
>

Not from that site, but from another mirror site. It was a bit
confusing. It was to download the DVD that had everything on it.
Now I can't find it. Anyway, the update manager shows an upgrade path
for 8.10.
 
G

GreyCloud

Flightless Bird
DanS wrote:
>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install you.
>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>
> You can't play DVD's on a default installation of Windows either.
>
> You *STILL* need to find, and install some 3rd party s/w.

Are you sure? I can play dvds on my iMac using FrontRow.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I've tried a number of ubuntu distros over the years
>>
>> No, you haven't.
>>
> Lying comes so naturally to you, you don't even think about it.

Not a lie.

> As the sign says, this is a Windows 7 ng not a linux ng.

This is an .alt newsgroup. New to Usenet or just stupid?

Of course to a
> lying characterless linturd troll like you that means nothing. You are a
> real low life POS creep.

If you want moderated forums, take your sorry ass over to the web based
forums your gods at Redmond put up and STFU.

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Alias

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more
>>>>>>>> people to use
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman
>>>>>>> to the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted
>>>>>> Extras.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing
>>> a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and
>>> downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried
>>> to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer
>>> and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a
>>> solution and I just about gave it up.
>>
>> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade.
>> My experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried
>> linux. At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it
>> quickly turns into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At
>> that point in time, most simply get rid of it.
>> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
>> sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
>> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
>> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No
>> real focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
>> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open
>> source is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.
>
> I've dumped so many distros in the past. That is why I now use VMWare
> to try them out. If they don't work, it is very easy to get rid of
> them... I just drag and drop the vm image for the distro into the trash
> can. VirtualBox, tho it is free, is buggy, so that too went into the
> trash can. Linux is ok if you are running it on an IBM mainframe and
> program custom apps for business and get IBMs help along the way. For
> home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the final analysis the
> os that your are using as a host does all that one needs anyway.

You'll never know what Ubuntu is really like in a vm.

--
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Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud
>>>>>>>>> <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just
>>>>>>>>>>> about like this
>>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more
>>>>>>>>> people to use
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add
>>>>>>>> packman to the repository so that you can download the win32
>>>>>>>> codecs and libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this
>>>>>>>> leads to other dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another
>>>>>>>> codec needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted
>>>>>>> Extras.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was
>>>> missing a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors
>>>> and downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem
>>>> tried to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up
>>>> MPlayer and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to
>>>> find a solution and I just about gave it up.
>>>
>>> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade.
>>> My experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried
>>> linux. At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it
>>> quickly turns into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At
>>> that point in time, most simply get rid of it.
>>> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
>>> sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
>>> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
>>> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No
>>> real focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
>>> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open
>>> source is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.
>>
>> I've dumped so many distros in the past. That is why I now use VMWare
>> to try them out. If they don't work, it is very easy to get rid of
>> them... I just drag and drop the vm image for the distro into the
>> trash can. VirtualBox, tho it is free, is buggy, so that too went
>> into the trash can. Linux is ok if you are running it on an IBM
>> mainframe and program custom apps for business and get IBMs help along
>> the way. For home use, it really isn't worth the effort as in the
>> final analysis the os that your are using as a host does all that one
>> needs anyway.
>
> Yeah I stopped multi-boot installing linux distros with Windows because
> that POS grub loader could not be gotten rid of without a major effort.

With all the computers you *say* you have, why do you have to dual boot?

--
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Alias

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:hkc8is$cm1$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:hkbric$ejh$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading something else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just about like this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found out I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually install you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more people to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packman to the repository so that you can download the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win32 codecs and libdvdcss and install them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this leads to other dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another codec needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still won't work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Restricted Extras.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was
>>>>>>>>>>> missing a required library. So I checked around on various
>>>>>>>>>>> mirrors and downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally
>>>>>>>>>>> works. Totem tried to run, but crashed for whatever
>>>>>>>>>>> reasons... so I started up MPlayer and it worked pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> good. But it took me a bit too long to find a solution and I
>>>>>>>>>>> just about gave it up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Try viewing the DVDs in VLC Player. I also strongly recommend
>>>>>>>>>> you upgrade to Karmic and use the ext4 file system. It's much
>>>>>>>>>> smoother and faster than ext3. Karmic's general appearance is
>>>>>>>>>> much nicer too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hear they made many improvements on the spinning cube.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You heard wrong. Course, you've never installed Ubuntu so all
>>>>>>>> you have is what comes out of your ass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are so full of shit as usual. I installed Ubuntu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you didn't and you've proved it over and over again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and once I realized that it didn't run the programs that I want,
>>>>>>> I removed that worthless piece of shit off my computer. Ubuntu
>>>>>>> is worth exactly what you pay for it: N O T H I N G !!! LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't install it because you KNOW that Windows programs don't
>>>>>> work in Linux. You're just a FUD spreader and not a very good one
>>>>>> at that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh the irony!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, you're the other one and you're even worse than the nymshifter
>>>> at it.
>>>>
>>> You have no shame at all do you.
>>
>> Look who's talking!
>>
> You are one sick POS. At least I have the money to purchase Windows and
> I use it. You on the other hand are obviously broke and can only use
> pirated copies of Windows...and you spend all day long dissing Windows
> and promoting that useless POS toy os you're so in love with.
> Now look who is talking.
> Loser!

Look at Frank lie again and again and again.

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Alias

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> ray wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:16:47 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:33:31 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>> "XYplorer", can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without
>>>>>>>> downloading something else and going through another 20 steps,
>>>>>>>> can't, can't, can't, can't, can't and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come
>>>>>>>> to appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>> like this app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected
>>>>>>>> the CD and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>> Strange - I don't seem to have a problem with that.
>>>>> Then please post the exact dvd player and how and where to get the
>>>>> necessary codecs and libs and how to get the player to recognize them.
>>>>> It isn't automatic.
>>>> totem - add the libdvdcdss library - or whatever it's called - don't
>>>> recall the details.
>>> I finally found the missing library on a german mirror. Totem
>>> crashed... restarted it and it tried to work then stalled. So I tried
>>> MPlayer and it worked okay. Plus I had to run the install-css.sh. Only
>>> one web site mentioned the precise procedure and it also checks if you
>>> have everything installed.
>>
>> Cool - that's one myth put to bed. Except that frankie will probably
>> call you a liar ;)
>
> But I also have Totem on Solaris 10. It won't play dvds either as Sun
> says it violates some laws so they don't supply the necessary libs and
> codecs. For the casual user after they install Ubuntu they'll find that
> there are too many technical hurdles to jump or that the technical
> hurdles become barriers to their own knowhow. I can see why many just
> toss it out as it is free after all and don't feel any monetary loss. It
> becomes a matter of value perception. For me, it wasn't the technical
> barrier but having to find the necessary parts to make it work out there
> on the web and for me it was 'where to look first'. I do have IT
> experience with older VAX systems and UNIX systems, but the one thing I
> always relied on was the vendor information support.

If you want to be held by the hand, install Mint. It's based on Ubuntu
but comes with everything already installed and ready to use right out
of the box including watching DVDs.

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Alias

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Death wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Death wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart
>>>>>>>> desires,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Canonical says you are a liar.
>>>>>> Not what it says.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/musicvideophotos/C/video-dvd.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some thieves simply ignore the law.
>>>>>>> Not suprising.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spain isn't one of those countries and a couple of clicks in the
>>>>>> Software Center and all your needs are met in less than a minute.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm... I'm going to have a go with that above url and see if it
>>>>> really works.
>>>>
>>>> There is no question that it really works.
>>>
>>> Well I'll be... I was missing one library. Plus they provided the
>>> missing step: install-css.sh.
>>>
>>>> It does.
>>>> The legality of it is the question.
>>>
>>> I've paid for the dvds so why can't I play them on Linux?
>>> I don't see what the big legal deal is.
>>>
>>>> If it were legal to do so, then Canonical would bundle those codecs
>>>> with
>>>> the OS.
>>>> They do not.
>>>> This ain't rocket science.
>>>>
>>> No, it isn't. But you just about have to be a good sleuth to find
>>> the info. That's the hard part.
>>>
>>> Totem doesn't work very well and it crashed after a while. So I
>>> tried Mplayer and it worked pretty good. Of course running Linux
>>> under VMWare Fusion has its other problems. An older Fedora distro
>>> started the install and just froze up. I'm just interested in oses
>>> in general and like to try them all if I can afford it. My next
>>> step, and the hardest one, is to convince my wife in letting me buy a
>>> nice HP with win7 on it.
>>> Gotta do something in my golden years.
>>
>> Try Mint. It comes with everything already installed.
>>
>
> I haven't tried that one yet. It will actually depend on how well
> VMWare will treat it.

Why use VMWare? Use a fresh hard drive if you really want to know what
it's like.

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Alias

Flightless Bird
GreyCloud wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart
>>>>>>>> desires,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People keep saying that, but do not provide the necessary steps
>>>>>>> in getting them to run on Ubuntu. I've got 8.10 Ubuntu. It
>>>>>>> comes up with a popup box saying I need the codecs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Upgrade to Karmic and go to Applications > Ubuntu Software Center
>>>>>> > Other > Ubuntu restricted extras and install. You'll find Karmic
>>>>>> a lot more user friendly than 8.10.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It is worth a shot. But I'm running low on blank dvds.
>>>>
>>>> A CD will do just fine, no need for a DVD.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just went down to Costco and got another stack of DVDs.
>>> I've got plenty of bandwidth so I'm going to download the latest Ubuntu.
>>> I notice that there are 5 separate 4.9Gb downloads to do. I'm not
>>> sure why so large. (???)
>>> All the other distros weigh in around 3.9Gb total.
>>
>> All the distros I've downloaded were less than 700 MB. From where are
>> you downloading? Here?:
>>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
>>
>
> Not from that site, but from another mirror site. It was a bit
> confusing. It was to download the DVD that had everything on it.
> Now I can't find it. Anyway, the update manager shows an upgrade path
> for 8.10.

I wouldn't do that if I were you because you won't get ext4 and you
can't partition. Do a clean install on a fresh hard drive and partition
it thusly:

/ 10 GB
swap double your RAM
/home the rest of the drive.

If you have any questions, feel free to email me at
iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes I've tried a number of ubuntu distros over the years
>>>
>>> No, you haven't.
>>>
>> Lying comes so naturally to you, you don't even think about it.
>
> Not a lie.

Yes, you are a known and admitted LIAR, LIAR!

>
>> As the sign says, this is a Windows 7 ng not a linux ng.
>
> This is an .alt newsgroup. New to Usenet or just stupid?

The sign says...alt.windows7.general, you MORON!
>
> Of course to a
>> lying characterless linturd troll like you that means nothing. You are
>> a real low life POS creep.
>
> If you want moderated forums, take your sorry ass over to the web based
> forums your gods at Redmond put up and STFU.

You are a real creep and you prove it in here everyday.
Asshole!
>
 
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