Ubuntu, not worth a dime. No wonder they don't charge.

[GreyCloud]

ray wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 1231 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager "XYplorer",
>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading something
>>>>> else and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>> can't and on and on and on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come to
>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about like
>>>>> this app or that app, etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected the
>>>>> CD and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install
>>>>> you.
>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>> Strange - I don't seem to have a problem with that.
>> Then please post the exact dvd player and how and where to get the
>> necessary codecs and libs and how to get the player to recognize them.
>> It isn't automatic.
>
> totem - add the libdvdcdss library - or whatever it's called - don't
> recall the details.

I finally found the missing library on a german mirror. Totem
crashed... restarted it and it tried to work then stalled. So I tried
MPlayer and it worked okay. Plus I had to run the install-css.sh. Only
one web site mentioned the precise procedure and it also checks if you
have everything installed.

 

[GreyCloud]

Death wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Death wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager "XYplorer",
>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading something
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't
>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come to
>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about like
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected
>>>>>>> the CD
>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart desires,
>>>>>
>>>> Canonical says you are a liar.
>>> Not what it says.
>>>
>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/musicvideophotos/C/video-dvd.html
>>>>
>>>> Some thieves simply ignore the law.
>>>> Not suprising.
>>>>
>>> Spain isn't one of those countries and a couple of clicks in the
>>> Software Center and all your needs are met in less than a minute.
>>>
>> Hmmm... I'm going to have a go with that above url and see if it really
>> works.
>
> There is no question that it really works.

Well I'll be... I was missing one library. Plus they provided the
missing step: install-css.sh.

> It does.
> The legality of it is the question.

I've paid for the dvds so why can't I play them on Linux?
I don't see what the big legal deal is.

> If it were legal to do so, then Canonical would bundle those codecs with
> the OS.
> They do not.
> This ain't rocket science.
>
No, it isn't. But you just about have to be a good sleuth to find the
info. That's the hard part.

Totem doesn't work very well and it crashed after a while. So I tried
Mplayer and it worked pretty good. Of course running Linux under VMWare
Fusion has its other problems. An older Fedora distro started the
install and just froze up. I'm just interested in oses in general and
like to try them all if I can afford it. My next step, and the hardest
one, is to convince my wife in letting me buy a nice HP with win7 on it.
Gotta do something in my golden years.

 

[GreyCloud]

Alias wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected
>>>>>>> the CD
>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart
>>>>> desires,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People keep saying that, but do not provide the necessary steps in
>>>> getting them to run on Ubuntu. I've got 8.10 Ubuntu. It comes up
>>>> with a popup box saying I need the codecs.
>>>
>>> Upgrade to Karmic and go to Applications > Ubuntu Software Center >
>>> Other > Ubuntu restricted extras and install. You'll find Karmic a
>>> lot more user friendly than 8.10.
>>>
>> It is worth a shot. But I'm running low on blank dvds.
>
> A CD will do just fine, no need for a DVD.
>

Just went down to Costco and got another stack of DVDs.
I've got plenty of bandwidth so I'm going to download the latest Ubuntu.
I notice that there are 5 separate 4.9Gb downloads to do. I'm not sure
why so large. (???)
All the other distros weigh in around 3.9Gb total.

 

[Moiv]

"Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del" <Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del¤®@Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del¤®.net> wrote in message
newslnem5tmuvdmn0khtjr4j7qsbp5vp7hoov@4ax.com...
> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>
> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>
> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager "XYplorer",
> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading something else
> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't
> and on and on and on.
>
> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come to
> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about like this
> app or that app, etc...
>
> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected the CD
> and tossed it in the trash.
>
> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install you.
> --
> All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall
> into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.


Lol, your favourite windows software wouldnt work on linux.. Who would have
thought?
Next you'll be complaining that your washing machine doesnt make coffee.

Anyway, I thought this was a Win 7 group..

 

[Frank]

GreyCloud wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more people
>>>>>> to use
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman
>>>>> to the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>
>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted Extras.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which repository are those in?
>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>
>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>
>
> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing a
> required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and downloaded
> it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried to run, but
> crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer and it worked
> pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a solution and I
> just about gave it up.

I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade. My
experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried linux.
At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it quickly turns
into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At that point in time,
most simply get rid of it.
It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No real
focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open source
is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.

 

[Joel]

"Moiv" <spam_me_not@the.net> wrote:
>"Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del" <Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del¤®@Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del¤®.net> wrote in message
>newslnem5tmuvdmn0khtjr4j7qsbp5vp7hoov@4ax.com...
>>
>> Can't use Forte Agent
>
>Lol, your favourite windows software wouldnt work on linux.. Who would have
>thought?


I easily had Agent 1.92 running under Wine (although I didn't stick
with Linux in general - more of an experiment). Wouldn't surprise me
if newer versions also worked under it, as even with the new 6.0
version (I use it for binary newsgroups), it seems very well-behaved.

--
Joel Crump

 

[Moiv]

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:7spkkmFov1U17@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:230 -0600, Ctrl?/Alt?/Del wrote:
>
>> On 2 Feb 2010 015:11 GMT, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:079 -0600, Ctrl?/Alt?/Del wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>
>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>
>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager "XYplorer",
>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading something
>>>> else and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>> can't and on and on and on.
>>>>
>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come to
>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about like
>>>> this app or that app, etc...
>>>>
>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected the
>>>> CD and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install
>>>> you.
>>>
>>>Well, doofus, Linux isn't MS. You can't run MS software on Linux
>>>(natively, anyway - can run some via WINE). Similarly, you can't run
>>>Linux software on MS - at all (unless you count a virtual machine).
>>
>> What the fuck good is it then? There isn't a file explorer that can come
>> close to touching XYplorer made for Linux. Same with Foobar. Same for
>> Irfanview, and on and on.
>>
>
> For one thing, it's stable. For another, it's secure. For another it
> comes with software that would cost you several hundred dollars to equal
> on an MS machine. Seems quite reasonable to me, but Linux is not for
> everyone - particularly not for those with no vision and less than a room
> temperature IQ.
>
>
>> They do have Gimp, I'll give 'em that, but I can use that in Windows and
>> don't have to sacrifice 40 other app's that are clearly superior in
>> order to try a "free" operating system.
>
> If you wish to pay a few thousand dollars for those apps or operate
> illegally, then I guess MS is for you - that's your decision.


We run 2 servers here at work. A private server (domain, data & fileserver)
and a public server (web server, ftp, email etc.)
To run on Windows servers I would need to buy 2 Windows Servers @ $1200
each, 5 extra CALS @ $200 and probably SQL Server @ no idea.
That's $2600 + SQL server.
In the time I've been administrator I would have needed to upgrade Servers
so probably double that.
I also would have probably needed a course to learn how to administer it.
That's a weeks lost work and another couple of hundred dollars.

Instead I downloaded linux.
For the last 7 years I've enjoyed haing 2 systems capable of doing exactly
what Windows Server can do - plus security updates, software updates, no
vulnerability to virus's or nasty IIS exploits and it has cost not a cent.
I can customize things to work exactly the way we need, not limited to the
capabilities of whatever was packaged with Windows (or paying for 3rd party
software that might do the job).

A lot of the "new" features that pop up in Windows I have already had for a
couple of years in linux anyway.

So to those who say you get what you pay for, I would argue that you get A
LOT more.

To each his own I guess...

 

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Dumb loser trolling Linux users in a Windows newsgroup

Ctrl?/Alt?/Del pulled this Usenet boner:

> Ubun

What will they think of next?

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more people
>>>>>>> to use
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman
>>>>>> to the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted Extras.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>
>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>
>>
>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing
>> a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and
>> downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried
>> to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer
>> and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a
>> solution and I just about gave it up.
>
> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade. My
> experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried linux.
> At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it quickly turns
> into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At that point in time,
> most simply get rid of it.
> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
> sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No real
> focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open source
> is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.

Course, with the de facto monopoly that Frank is so happy with, the
choices are very limited. It makes it easy for someone who is not to
bright like Frank choose.

Also, Frank hasn't tried a distro in years and is, as always, talking
out his ass as Ubuntu has become more and more user friendly with each
and every new release.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

GreyCloud wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more people
>>>>>> to use
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman
>>>>> to the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>
>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted Extras.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which repository are those in?
>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>
>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>
>
> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing a
> required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and downloaded
> it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried to run, but
> crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer and it worked
> pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a solution and I
> just about gave it up.

Try viewing the DVDs in VLC Player. I also strongly recommend you
upgrade to Karmic and use the ext4 file system. It's much smoother and
faster than ext3. Karmic's general appearance is much nicer too.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

Death wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Death wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Death wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading something else
>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't
>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come to
>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about like this
>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected the CD
>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install you.
>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart desires,
>>>>>>
>>>>> Canonical says you are a liar.
>>>> Not what it says.
>>>>
>>> Yes it does.
>>> The ability you profess ubuntu to have isn't provided by ubuntu.
>>> It comes from a third party (probably some third world thieving nation)
>>> repository server.
>> I didn't have to add a repository.
>>
>
> Didn't say you did.
> It was downloaded anyway ... and not from Canonical.

So fucking what?

>
>
>>>
>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/musicvideophotos/C/video-dvd.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Some thieves simply ignore the law.
>>>>> Not suprising.
>>>>>
>>>> Spain isn't one of those countries and a couple of clicks in the
>>>> Software Center and all your needs are met in less than a minute.
>>>>
>>> Just great!
>>> I gotta move to a third world country to play DVD's I'll no longer be
>>> able to afford.
>> Spain isn't a third world country.
>>
>
> Says a resident.

Says anyone who knows what they're talking about.

>
>
>>> Any more bright ideas?
>>>
>> Yeah, bugger off.
>>
>
> Not good.
>

Yeah, you're not good all right.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

GreyCloud wrote:
> Death wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Death wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart
>>>>>> desires,
>>>>>>
>>>>> Canonical says you are a liar.
>>>> Not what it says.
>>>>
>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/musicvideophotos/C/video-dvd.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Some thieves simply ignore the law.
>>>>> Not suprising.
>>>>>
>>>> Spain isn't one of those countries and a couple of clicks in the
>>>> Software Center and all your needs are met in less than a minute.
>>>>
>>> Hmmm... I'm going to have a go with that above url and see if it
>>> really works.
>>
>> There is no question that it really works.
>
> Well I'll be... I was missing one library. Plus they provided the
> missing step: install-css.sh.
>
>> It does.
>> The legality of it is the question.
>
> I've paid for the dvds so why can't I play them on Linux?
> I don't see what the big legal deal is.
>
>> If it were legal to do so, then Canonical would bundle those codecs with
>> the OS.
>> They do not.
>> This ain't rocket science.
>>
> No, it isn't. But you just about have to be a good sleuth to find the
> info. That's the hard part.
>
> Totem doesn't work very well and it crashed after a while. So I tried
> Mplayer and it worked pretty good. Of course running Linux under VMWare
> Fusion has its other problems. An older Fedora distro started the
> install and just froze up. I'm just interested in oses in general and
> like to try them all if I can afford it. My next step, and the hardest
> one, is to convince my wife in letting me buy a nice HP with win7 on it.
> Gotta do something in my golden years.

Try Mint. It comes with everything already installed.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

GreyCloud wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not on my install of Ubuntu. I can play any DVD my little heart
>>>>>> desires,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People keep saying that, but do not provide the necessary steps in
>>>>> getting them to run on Ubuntu. I've got 8.10 Ubuntu. It comes up
>>>>> with a popup box saying I need the codecs.
>>>>
>>>> Upgrade to Karmic and go to Applications > Ubuntu Software Center >
>>>> Other > Ubuntu restricted extras and install. You'll find Karmic a
>>>> lot more user friendly than 8.10.
>>>>
>>> It is worth a shot. But I'm running low on blank dvds.
>>
>> A CD will do just fine, no need for a DVD.
>>
>
> Just went down to Costco and got another stack of DVDs.
> I've got plenty of bandwidth so I'm going to download the latest Ubuntu.
> I notice that there are 5 separate 4.9Gb downloads to do. I'm not sure
> why so large. (???)
> All the other distros weigh in around 3.9Gb total.

All the distros I've downloaded were less than 700 MB. From where are
you downloading? Here?:

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

--
Alias

 

[DanS]

>>
>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install you.
>
> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.

You can't play DVD's on a default installation of Windows either.

You *STILL* need to find, and install some 3rd party s/w.

 

[ray]

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:16:47 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:

> ray wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 1231 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>> "XYplorer", can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without
>>>>>> downloading something else and going through another 20 steps,
>>>>>> can't, can't, can't, can't, can't and on and on and on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come
>>>>>> to appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>> like this app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out I
>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected
>>>>>> the CD and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually install
>>>>>> you.
>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>> Strange - I don't seem to have a problem with that.
>>> Then please post the exact dvd player and how and where to get the
>>> necessary codecs and libs and how to get the player to recognize them.
>>> It isn't automatic.
>>
>> totem - add the libdvdcdss library - or whatever it's called - don't
>> recall the details.
>
> I finally found the missing library on a german mirror. Totem
> crashed... restarted it and it tried to work then stalled. So I tried
> MPlayer and it worked okay. Plus I had to run the install-css.sh. Only
> one web site mentioned the precise procedure and it also checks if you
> have everything installed.

Cool - that's one myth put to bed. Except that frankie will probably call
you a liar

 

[Bill Yanaire, ESQ]

"Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hkbrbs$ejh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Frank wrote:
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected
>>>>>>>>>> the CD
>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more people
>>>>>>>> to use
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman to
>>>>>>> the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted
>>>>>> Extras.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is legal
>>>>> to do these things on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing a
>>> required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and downloaded
>>> it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried to run, but
>>> crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer and it worked
>>> pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a solution and I
>>> just about gave it up.
>>
>> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade. My
>> experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried linux. At
>> first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it quickly turns into
>> a job...one that you are not being paid for. At that point in time, most
>> simply get rid of it.
>> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes sheer
>> drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
>> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
>> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No real
>> focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
>> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open source
>> is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.
>
> Course, with the de facto monopoly that Frank is so happy with, the
> choices are very limited. It makes it easy for someone who is not to
> bright like Frank choose.
>
> Also, Frank hasn't tried a distro in years and is, as always, talking out
> his ass as Ubuntu has become more and more user friendly with each and
> every new release.
>
> --
> Alias

Yea and in 20 years Ubuntu just might be friendly enough to use for three
days.

 

[Bill Yanaire, ESQ]

"Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hkbric$ejh$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> GreyCloud wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have come
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found out
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just ejected
>>>>>>>>> the CD
>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more people to
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman to
>>>>>> the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted Extras.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is legal
>>>> to do these things on Linux.
>>>
>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>
>>
>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing a
>> required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and downloaded
>> it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried to run, but
>> crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer and it worked
>> pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a solution and I just
>> about gave it up.
>
> Try viewing the DVDs in VLC Player. I also strongly recommend you upgrade
> to Karmic and use the ext4 file system. It's much smoother and faster than
> ext3. Karmic's general appearance is much nicer too.
>
> --
> Alias

I hear they made many improvements on the spinning cube.

 

[Alias]

Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hkbrbs$ejh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Frank wrote:
>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud
>>>>>>>>> <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just
>>>>>>>>>>> about like this
>>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more
>>>>>>>>> people to use
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add
>>>>>>>> packman to the repository so that you can download the win32
>>>>>>>> codecs and libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this
>>>>>>>> leads to other dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another
>>>>>>>> codec needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted
>>>>>>> Extras.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was
>>>> missing a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors
>>>> and downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem
>>>> tried to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up
>>>> MPlayer and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to
>>>> find a solution and I just about gave it up.
>>>
>>> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade.
>>> My experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried
>>> linux. At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it
>>> quickly turns into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At
>>> that point in time, most simply get rid of it.
>>> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
>>> sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
>>> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
>>> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No
>>> real focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
>>> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open
>>> source is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.
>>
>> Course, with the de facto monopoly that Frank is so happy with, the
>> choices are very limited. It makes it easy for someone who is not to
>> bright like Frank choose.
>>
>> Also, Frank hasn't tried a distro in years and is, as always, talking
>> out his ass as Ubuntu has become more and more user friendly with each
>> and every new release.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> Yea and in 20 years Ubuntu just might be friendly enough to use for
> three days.
>
>

Once again the nymshifter treats us to his ignorance.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hkbric$ejh$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>> can't, can't
>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more
>>>>>>>> people to use
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman
>>>>>>> to the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted
>>>>>> Extras.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing
>>> a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and
>>> downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried
>>> to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer
>>> and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a
>>> solution and I just about gave it up.
>>
>> Try viewing the DVDs in VLC Player. I also strongly recommend you
>> upgrade to Karmic and use the ext4 file system. It's much smoother and
>> faster than ext3. Karmic's general appearance is much nicer too.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> I hear they made many improvements on the spinning cube.

You heard wrong. Course, you've never installed Ubuntu so all you have
is what comes out of your ass.

--
Alias

 

[Bill Yanaire, ESQ]

"Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hkc8hm$cm1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hkbrbs$ejh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:43 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ctrl¤/Alt¤/Del wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10 has been judged and found to be lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I ran the live-cd and checked it out a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't use Forte Agent, can't use my favorite file manager
>>>>>>>>>>>> "XYplorer",
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't use Foobar, can't use Irfanview without downloading
>>>>>>>>>>>> something else
>>>>>>>>>>>> and going through another 20 steps, can't, can't, can't, can't,
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> and on and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Replacements for this, replacements for that, I have to have
>>>>>>>>>>>> replacements for all the applications that I cherish and have
>>>>>>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate. I don't want replacements, or something just about
>>>>>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>>>>>> app or that app, etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is about as far as I got with the Live CD. After I found
>>>>>>>>>>>> out I
>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't use any applications that I normally use, I just
>>>>>>>>>>>> ejected the CD
>>>>>>>>>>>> and tossed it in the trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for nothing Ubuntu. I sure am glad I didn't actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> install you.
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you can't play commercial DVDs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow. No wonder this piece of crap has never persuaded more people
>>>>>>>>>> to use
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And when you go to the support groups you are told to add packman
>>>>>>>>> to the repository so that you can download the win32 codecs and
>>>>>>>>> libdvdcss and install them. Unfortunately, this leads to other
>>>>>>>>> dependency nightmares.
>>>>>>>>> Even then, it still won't work because there is yet another codec
>>>>>>>>> needed... like H.264 or H.263. And yet it still won't work.
>>>>>>>>> All it does is put you on a scavenger hunt for days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not any more. See my other post to you about Ubuntu Restricted
>>>>>>>> Extras.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which repository are those in?
>>>>>>> Bear in mind that I'm in the US, not another country where it is
>>>>>>> legal to do these things on Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you have a decision to make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did. I checked out another posted url and found that I was missing
>>>>> a required library. So I checked around on various mirrors and
>>>>> downloaded it from a german site. Now it finally works. Totem tried
>>>>> to run, but crashed for whatever reasons... so I started up MPlayer
>>>>> and it worked pretty good. But it took me a bit too long to find a
>>>>> solution and I just about gave it up.
>>>>
>>>> I had "fooled around" with various linux distros for a over a decade.
>>>> My experience parallels yours and proly most others who have tried
>>>> linux. At first, linux is "fun" just like most new toys, then it
>>>> quickly turns into a job...one that you are not being paid for. At that
>>>> point in time, most simply get rid of it.
>>>> It is user friendly but only up to a certain point, then it becomes
>>>> sheer drudgery, as you, me, and many others have discovered.
>>>> The problem as I see it...and I come from a technical/marketing
>>>> background, it that there are simple too many different distros. No
>>>> real focus as anyone and everyone can create their own distro.
>>>> linux is an unfulfilled promise and always will be, because open source
>>>> is the genie that can never be put back into the bottle.
>>>
>>> Course, with the de facto monopoly that Frank is so happy with, the
>>> choices are very limited. It makes it easy for someone who is not to
>>> bright like Frank choose.
>>>
>>> Also, Frank hasn't tried a distro in years and is, as always, talking
>>> out his ass as Ubuntu has become more and more user friendly with each
>>> and every new release.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> Yea and in 20 years Ubuntu just might be friendly enough to use for three
>> days.
>>
>>
>
> Once again the nymshifter treats us to his ignorance.
>
> --
> Alias

You just keep trying to push that INFERIOR Ubuntu in the windows forums.
99.99999% of the visitors here are smart enough to see through you. You
are the groups main troll and lying sack of donkey shit. Most everyone
tells you to fuck off. How about going to the Ubuntu forums and helping
those sorry sacks out with their problems? There are thousands of people
with problems trying to get that shitty Ubuntu to work. If only they knew!
LOL!