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Discussion in 'Notebooks' started by Roland Mösl, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

    On 10/14/2010 1:59 AM, AJL wrote:
    > BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >
    >> On 10/13/2010 6:51 PM, AJL wrote:

    >
    >>> There are moderated Usenet groups too and they are just as easily
    >>> controlled as moderated web forums.

    >>
    >> I have heard of them for years, but I never ran across one yet.

    >
    > The only moderated group I ever used was in the ham radio groups. It
    > was created when the other ham groups turned into a profanity laced
    > flamefest. Most hams are friendly on the air but something about
    > Usenet...


    Oh okay, makes sense.

    >>> Bottom line: As I said previously Usenet is dying/dead.

    >>
    >> They have been saying this for 20 years now. So when is it going to die?

    >
    > This laptop group is about dead. Several days with no post at all.
    > Remember when it was 20+ posts a day?


    Yes. But I think it is far from dead. Although once those automated
    warnings about do to the lack of posts, threatening the existence of
    this group... then I think we can to start to worry. ;-)

    >> He used to post in the newsgroups about 10
    >> years ago and claimed he was from the year 2036.

    >
    > And then there was the guy who dated his posts a week in advance so
    > that he would always stay on top of everyone else.


    Yeah... some people. I guess you can't do that in a web forum. One of
    the few benefits there. ;-)

    >>> I just got an
    >>> Android powered smartphone. So I searched my 125,000+ group Usenet
    >>> provider. Nada.

    >>
    >> You can always create one if you would like. ;-)

    >
    > If I was lucky I could get a new Usenet group approved in 6 months
    > after tons of hassle. I can form a new web forum/group in ten minutes
    > or less.


    True. There are more web forums than anybody can imagine. And many of
    them fail too. Few stick around for the long haul.

    >> I would hate to scan and search for something on 10 different web forums.

    >
    > Searching for something in a 1000 forums is easy. Google is your
    > friend...


    Same is true of newsgroups as well. ;-)

    >> ... Pretty sad these web forums are so dead they have
    >> to steal newsgroup posts to look like they have heavy activity, eh?

    >
    > Would that be the dead copying from the dead?


    Many newsgroups are still doing very fine. Some hundreds of posts a day.

    >> And ever noticed those web forums that really has subscribers, that most
    >> of the posts are the blind leading the blind?

    >
    > And Usenet doesn't have the blind leading the blind?


    Sometimes, but a biased or a clueless thread doesn't last too long in
    the newsgroups before somebody comes in to correct it. Well there is
    like 120,000+ newsgroups. And I can only speak about the few that I
    subscribe too.

    Worse the ones who are really helpful in those web forums leave due to
    mainly a moderator or two. There was one named Molly that was one for
    example. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but she was
    really one of the most helpful ones there. And she was really smart and
    on the ball. And knew so much more than I usually do. She is really
    impressive in my book. But she is long gone. Thanks to web forums. This
    doesn't happen in newsgroups. :-(

    >> Heck even most of the posts like on eeeuser are this way too.

    >
    > Would that apply to your posts I've seen there?


    No I don't post there saying silly things like me too and is there any
    solutions yet? Then tens, sometimes hundreds of others saying the very
    same thing. The only good thing about that is it isn't just one person
    who are experiencing that problem. But that is the only good thing out
    of all of the posts. :-(

    >> So where is the solution? Hahaha... it is in there in the 938 posts
    >> somewhere. Although you have days of reading just to find it. lol

    >
    > Actually IMO the eeeuser forum has a pretty good search function and
    > has worked well for me in searching the site. Further the Wiki was
    > been invaluable to me in modifying the Xandros OS to make it do what I
    > wanted. I think you're dissing a very good site.


    No I don't mean to dis this web forum. I picked this one since we both
    use it. And Wiki is very nice at first, no doubt about it. But it ends
    up being outdated and rarely does it ever get updated again. I read some
    of them now and I see they are telling you how to do it the old hard
    way. The better and easier ways are still buried in the forums. And
    sometimes when you find it, someone usually says this should be in Wiki
    and it never gets done.

    SIDE NOTE: One of my 701s stopped charging today. My favorite of my
    701s. Although I really like my two 702s better. Mainly because the SSDs
    are removable. And I really believed it was finished and never work
    again without the motherboard being repaired. So I used one of my 702 to
    charge the battery. And now the 701 is working once again. Removing the
    battery and AC from these things and then retrying corrects lots of
    weird problems with these things. ;-)

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  2. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

    On 10/14/2010 2:10 AM, AJL wrote:
    > BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >
    >> I wrote about this before about 4 years back. I did between then and now
    >> subscribe to Consumer Reports once again, but it had lapsed once again.
    >>
    >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp...q="Consumer+Reports"+BillW50#a54bcbc427c5fe37

    >
    > Oh my. You resorted to searching Google Groups to find something on
    > Usenet??


    Yes!

    > And isn't this one of those awful places that (gasp) copies
    > Usenet posts in it's groups?


    Yes!

    > Hope you wore a bag over your head while
    > you were there... ;)


    No I used dark sunglasses, a hat, and a trench coat! ;-)

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  3. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman? [Re: OT Subject: Usenetvs Web Forums]

    On 10/14/2010 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote:
    > Worse the ones who are really helpful in those web forums leave due to
    > mainly a moderator or two. There was one named Molly that was one for
    > example. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but she was
    > really one of the most helpful ones there. And she was really smart and
    > on the ball. And knew so much more than I usually do. She is really
    > impressive in my book. But she is long gone. Thanks to web forums. This
    > doesn't happen in newsgroups. :-(


    Speaking of which, anybody knows what happened to Barry Watzman? It
    isn't unusual lately for Barry to be away for a few weeks. But he hasn't
    posted since the 13th of May.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  4. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Asus EeePC 701 Stopped Charging [Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums]

    On 10/14/2010 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote:
    > SIDE NOTE: One of my 701s stopped charging today. My favorite of my
    > 701s. Although I really like my two 702s better. Mainly because the SSDs
    > are removable. And I really believed it was finished and never work
    > again without the motherboard being repaired. So I used one of my 702 to
    > charge the battery. And now the 701 is working once again. Removing the
    > battery and AC from these things and then retrying corrects lots of
    > weird problems with these things. ;-)


    You know, it might have been something else completely. As I was using
    one of those off brand 10400mAH batteries made in China at the time. And
    I thought I was going to use it for hours on battery. But I think I only
    used it for about 10 minutes if that and an hour or two left on standby.

    And these batteries work pretty well (although during my testing they
    are closer to about 9500mAH). Although there is one main problem with
    them. That is if they are close to a full charge, the EeePC thinks they
    are completely charged up. And removing and reinserting the battery will
    reset this. Unless it is so close to being fully charged anyway.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  5. AJL

    AJL Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

    >Speaking of which, anybody knows what happened to Barry Watzman? It
    >isn't unusual lately for Barry to be away for a few weeks. But he hasn't
    >posted since the 13th of May.


    Barry let slip one time that he was a ham and another time that he was
    in Ohio. There is a ham by that name who lives in Canton Ohio
    (searching QRZ.com). Googling brought this obituary by the same name
    from Canton OH. Death date is May 17 which coincides closely with his
    last post. This would explain things but I of course don't know for
    sure.

    http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Barry-Watzman&lc=0342&mid=4265419
     
  6. AJL

    AJL Flightless Bird

    Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

    BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

    >there is like 120,000+ newsgroups. And I can only speak about
    >the few that I subscribe too.


    My provider carries all those 120,000+ newsgroups and with the
    occasional sampling I've done my guess is that maybe 10% or less are
    used or even useful. The rest are either hopelessly clogged with spam
    or haven't had a post in months, and some I ran across in years.

    But on the good side: Usenet continues to supply me with ebooks and
    music. And that makes up for all the shortcomings... ;)

    >SIDE NOTE: One of my 701s stopped charging today. My favorite of my
    >701s. Although I really like my two 702s better. Mainly because the SSDs
    >are removable. And I really believed it was finished and never work
    >again without the motherboard being repaired. So I used one of my 702 to
    >charge the battery. And now the 701 is working once again. Removing the
    >battery and AC from these things and then retrying corrects lots of
    >weird problems with these things. ;-)


    It might be a battery contact problem and reinserting the battery
    slightly moved the contact into a better position. Awhile back I
    bought a high capacity battery for my Eee PC 1000HD and when it
    arrived it wouldn't charge. I bent the contacts a bit and then all was
    well and it has been working fine ever since.
     
  7. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    On 10/14/2010 10:17 PM, AJL wrote:
    > BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >
    >> Speaking of which, anybody knows what happened to Barry Watzman? It
    >> isn't unusual lately for Barry to be away for a few weeks. But he hasn't
    >> posted since the 13th of May.

    >
    > Barry let slip one time that he was a ham and another time that he was
    > in Ohio. There is a ham by that name who lives in Canton Ohio
    > (searching QRZ.com). Googling brought this obituary by the same name
    > from Canton OH. Death date is May 17 which coincides closely with his
    > last post. This would explain things but I of course don't know for
    > sure.
    >
    > http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Barry-Watzman&lc=0342&mid=4265419
    >


    Oh okay, thanks! I guess that site is doing maintenance right now.

    Obituary Temporarily Unavailable
    The obituary you requested cannot be accessed at this time.
    Please check back later for full information.
    Date: 2010-10-15 01:57

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  8. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

    On 10/14/2010 10:51 PM, AJL wrote:
    > BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >
    >> there is like 120,000+ newsgroups. And I can only speak about
    >> the few that I subscribe too.

    >
    > My provider carries all those 120,000+ newsgroups and with the
    > occasional sampling I've done my guess is that maybe 10% or less are
    > used or even useful. The rest are either hopelessly clogged with spam
    > or haven't had a post in months, and some I ran across in years.
    >
    > But on the good side: Usenet continues to supply me with ebooks and
    > music. And that makes up for all the shortcomings... ;)


    Count your lucky stars! It seems like most ISPs doesn't offer newsgroups
    anymore. Mine dropped them years ago. That might explain why the numbers
    seems to be dropping. As a lot of people cannot even access newsgroups
    anymore. Well not without a web forum that carries them anyway. Then
    there are non-ISP dependent newsgroup servers too. But it seems like
    many just don't know about them. And frankly, some of them are crap.
    Meaning some of them are not always that reliable.

    >> SIDE NOTE: One of my 701s stopped charging today. My favorite of my
    >> 701s. Although I really like my two 702s better. Mainly because the SSDs
    >> are removable. And I really believed it was finished and never work
    >> again without the motherboard being repaired. So I used one of my 702 to
    >> charge the battery. And now the 701 is working once again. Removing the
    >> battery and AC from these things and then retrying corrects lots of
    >> weird problems with these things. ;-)

    >
    > It might be a battery contact problem and reinserting the battery
    > slightly moved the contact into a better position. Awhile back I
    > bought a high capacity battery for my Eee PC 1000HD and when it
    > arrived it wouldn't charge. I bent the contacts a bit and then all was
    > well and it has been working fine ever since.


    Oh okay, yes I suppose that could be it too. There are different methods
    of charging batteries and I don't know what method they use. And since
    the voltages are slightly different, I just assumed that the EeePC had a
    hard time knowing when these third party batteries were fully charged.
    Mine if the capacity is 90% or lower, it always charges. It is just the
    last 10% it has trouble with.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  9. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    On 10/15/2010 2:00 AM, BillW50 wrote:
    > On 10/14/2010 10:17 PM, AJL wrote:
    >> BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Speaking of which, anybody knows what happened to Barry Watzman? It
    >>> isn't unusual lately for Barry to be away for a few weeks. But he hasn't
    >>> posted since the 13th of May.

    >>
    >> Barry let slip one time that he was a ham and another time that he was
    >> in Ohio. There is a ham by that name who lives in Canton Ohio
    >> (searching QRZ.com). Googling brought this obituary by the same name
    >> from Canton OH. Death date is May 17 which coincides closely with his
    >> last post. This would explain things but I of course don't know for
    >> sure.
    >>
    >> http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Barry-Watzman&lc=0342&mid=4265419
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Oh okay, thanks! I guess that site is doing maintenance right now.
    >
    > Obituary Temporarily Unavailable
    > The obituary you requested cannot be accessed at this time.
    > Please check back later for full information.
    > Date: 2010-10-15 01:57


    Geez! This Barry Watzman was only 60 years old. It really sounds like
    the same one too. :-(

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  10. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    On 10/15/2010 3:59 AM, BillW50 wrote:
    > On 10/15/2010 2:00 AM, BillW50 wrote:
    >> On 10/14/2010 10:17 PM, AJL wrote:
    >>> Barry let slip one time that he was a ham and another time that he was
    >>> in Ohio. There is a ham by that name who lives in Canton Ohio
    >>> (searching QRZ.com). Googling brought this obituary by the same name
    >>> from Canton OH. Death date is May 17 which coincides closely with his
    >>> last post. This would explain things but I of course don't know for
    >>> sure.
    >>>
    >>> http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Barry-Watzman&lc=0342&mid=4265419

    >
    > Geez! This Barry Watzman was only 60 years old. It really sounds like
    > the same one too. :-(


    http://picasaweb.google.com/114959854726407902718/RecentlyUpdated#5473618723997273426

    :-(

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  11. AJL

    AJL Flightless Bird

    Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

    BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

    >Count your lucky stars! It seems like most ISPs doesn't offer newsgroups
    >anymore. Mine dropped them years ago.


    Not so lucky. My earlier dialup ISPs both dropped Usenet service long
    ago and my current broadband ISP never offered it. I only pay my
    present Usenet provider because it has good binary group service.
    Otherwise I would use one of the several free text providers.

    >That might explain why the numbers
    >seems to be dropping. As a lot of people cannot even access newsgroups
    >anymore.


    In later years only a very small percentage of an ISPs customers
    actually used Usenet so it was not cost effective for them to carry
    it. I'm surprised some still do.

    > And frankly, some of them [free Usenet providers] are crap.
    >Meaning some of them are not always that reliable.


    Well, you could always use Google Groups which is very reliable...oh
    wait, you do use Google Groups... ;)

    >There are different methods
    >of charging batteries and I don't know what method they use. And since
    >the voltages are slightly different, I just assumed that the EeePC had a
    >hard time knowing when these third party batteries were fully charged.
    >Mine if the capacity is 90% or lower, it always charges. It is just the
    >last 10% it has trouble with.


    When my original Eee PC 1000HD battery went bad it wouldn't fully
    charge. And its final charge level got lower over time. It would only
    charge to around 85% when I finally replaced it. Also it would
    sometimes stop charging at a low level like 55% and require me to
    remove and reinsert the battery to make it start charging again. All
    those problems ceased with the new battery. Maybe your battery is
    about to go south?
     
  12. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs AJL wrote:
    > BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >
    >> Speaking of which, anybody knows what happened to Barry Watzman? It
    >> isn't unusual lately for Barry to be away for a few weeks. But he
    >> hasn't posted since the 13th of May.

    >
    > Barry let slip one time that he was a ham and another time that he was
    > in Ohio. There is a ham by that name who lives in Canton Ohio
    > (searching QRZ.com). Googling brought this obituary by the same name
    > from Canton OH. Death date is May 17 which coincides closely with his
    > last post. This would explain things but I of course don't know for
    > sure.
    >
    > http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Barry-Watzman&lc=0342&mid=4265419


    Now that would be a loss. His posts were a great contribution to this group.
    Hopefully it wasn't him but it seems to be maybe more than likely. :-(

    Thanks for doing the research.
    --
    Shaun.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
    monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
    into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
     
  13. AJL

    AJL Flightless Bird

  14. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs AJL wrote:
    > "~misfit~" <sore_n_happy@nospamyahoo.com.au> wrote:
    >
    >> Now that would be a loss. His posts were a great contribution to
    >> this group. Hopefully it wasn't him but it seems to be maybe more
    >> than likely. :-(

    >
    > Agreed.
    >>
    >> Thanks for doing the research.

    >
    > Did a little more research, it gets worse...
    >
    > http://www.aolnews.com/money/article/rambus-investor-barry-watzman-commits-suicide/19502259


    Bugger! That's taken the glow off that two glasses of port gave me.

    R.I.P. Barry Watzman. You are already missed.

    Thanks AJL.
    --
    Shaun.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
    monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
    into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
     
  15. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    In news:mc2ib6937ptfvic9umau52s9h5qvseiqn0@4ax.com,
    AJL typed on Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:11:43 -0700:
    > "~misfit~" <sore_n_happy@nospamyahoo.com.au> wrote:
    >
    >> Now that would be a loss. His posts were a great contribution to
    >> this group. Hopefully it wasn't him but it seems to be maybe more
    >> than likely. :-(

    >
    > Agreed.
    >>
    >> Thanks for doing the research.

    >
    > Did a little more research, it gets worse...
    >
    > http://www.aolnews.com/money/article/rambus-investor-barry-watzman-commits-suicide/19502259


    Wow! I knew Barry was capable of many things, but that wasn't one of
    them I was expecting. :-(

    My philosophy is always expect the worst. And rarely does the worst ever
    comes. So you are virtually always ahead. And if the rarely worst does
    happen, you were prepared and ready for it anyway.

    Stocks? I never had taken stocks seriously. And the game of stocks is
    how you can screw everybody else. As that is how you make the most money
    (or sometimes any money). And I was never interested in the game since I
    knew I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I screwed somebody else.

    I don't believe Barry could either. But he believed in something and
    there are real vultures out there ready to take advantage of this fact.
    Sadly this time, I believe Barry was one of the victims. :-(

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  16. AJL

    AJL Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

    >Wow! I knew Barry was capable of many things, but that wasn't one of
    >them I was expecting. :-(


    I feel more sorry for his family (see below).

    >Stocks? I never had taken stocks seriously.


    I do take stocks seriously. Investments supply over half of my income
    and 60% are in stocks.

    >And the game of stocks is how you can screw everybody else.


    I've not screwed anybody that I know of. Nor have I ever been screwed
    in my investing (I don't use a broker, I do my own thing online). Sure
    there are get rich quick schemes out there but mostly it's the greedy
    investor who takes the bait. Barry's wife was quite correct in her
    quote in that article. He was gambling, not investing...

    >I was never interested in the game since I
    >knew I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I screwed somebody else.


    That's one of the rules of investing. You should never do anything
    that won't let you sleep at night.

    >I don't believe Barry could either. But he believed in something and
    >there are real vultures out there ready to take advantage of this fact.


    Perhaps there was hanky panky in that *one* company. I don't know. But
    another rule of investing is diversification - don't keep all your
    eggs in one basket. If Barry had taken his million in profits early on
    and spread it out in *many* other companies in *several* different
    sectors, he would have stayed quite solvent, even in this recession.

    >Sadly this time, I believe Barry was one of the victims. :-(


    Hardly. I know that it's in poor taste to speak unkindly of the dead
    but the truth is that Barry messed up in his investing by needlessly
    losing all his money and then took the easy way out leaving his family
    to pick up the pieces...
     
  17. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    In news:6pqkb61oh0o07uobm99pf4eec8tq0oacig@4ax.com,
    AJL typed on Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:08:02 -0700:
    > "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >
    >> Wow! I knew Barry was capable of many things, but that wasn't one of
    >> them I was expecting. :-(

    >
    > I feel more sorry for his family (see below).


    I don't think Barry realize the scope of his actions. If he did, I don't
    think he would have done what he did.

    >> Stocks? I never had taken stocks seriously.

    >
    > I do take stocks seriously. Investments supply over half of my income
    > and 60% are in stocks.


    Well I personally think taking stocks very seriously is very dangerous.
    As a few who lose badly may end up like Barry and have.

    >> And the game of stocks is how you can screw everybody else.

    >
    > I've not screwed anybody that I know of. Nor have I ever been screwed
    > in my investing (I don't use a broker, I do my own thing online). Sure
    > there are get rich quick schemes out there but mostly it's the greedy
    > investor who takes the bait. Barry's wife was quite correct in her
    > quote in that article. He was gambling, not investing...


    I don't believe or ever suggested that you are out to screw anybody. I
    really like to believe it is only a few that do. But maybe I am just
    fooling myself. As maybe it is more than a few percent.

    Barry was gambling? I think there is a big difference in believing in
    something and gambling. Okay on the surface, not much. But deep down
    there is a big difference. If you believe deep down and believe
    something is right, you will most likely gamble on it more. Okay it
    still sounds like gambling. But sometimes it isn't just about money and
    that is the difference.

    >> I was never interested in the game since I
    >> knew I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I screwed somebody else.

    >
    > That's one of the rules of investing. You should never do anything
    > that won't let you sleep at night.


    Really? Well do you believe there are some that it doesn't bother? There
    are some people who would sell their own mother if there were money in
    it. Maybe to you and me that sounds impossible. But I have met these
    people before and they really do exist!

    >> I don't believe Barry could either. But he believed in something and
    >> there are real vultures out there ready to take advantage of this
    >> fact.

    >
    > Perhaps there was hanky panky in that *one* company. I don't know. But
    > another rule of investing is diversification - don't keep all your
    > eggs in one basket. If Barry had taken his million in profits early on
    > and spread it out in *many* other companies in *several* different
    > sectors, he would have stayed quite solvent, even in this recession.


    Yes I know. But even so stocks are nothing but a gamble. Sure lessen the
    gamble by diversification, but still it is a gamble with less risk. As
    the whole stock market has collapsed before and may happen again.

    >> Sadly this time, I believe Barry was one of the victims. :-(

    >
    > Hardly. I know that it's in poor taste to speak unkindly of the dead
    > but the truth is that Barry messed up in his investing by needlessly
    > losing all his money and then took the easy way out leaving his family
    > to pick up the pieces...


    I have no doubt that Barry was very smart. But if you get wrapped up
    with something, that could overwhelm you. And I don't believe Barry gave
    much thought to that (thinking about his family). Yes I know, hard for
    some of us to understand. But still, it happens all of the time. :-(

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  18. AJL

    AJL Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

    >Well I personally think taking stocks very seriously is very dangerous.


    Stocks are not for everyone. Perhaps a nice safe CD for you? But
    losing your money slowly in a safe bank account that pays near or
    below the rate of inflation is just not a great investment.

    >As a few who lose badly may end up like Barry


    Stocks didn't kill Barry, Barry killed Barry...
     
  19. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    In news:ahbmb6d6rua7df12rncpa19bpiodc5dg9b@4ax.com,
    AJL typed on Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:47:05 -0700:
    > "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >
    >> Well I personally think taking stocks very seriously is very
    >> dangerous.

    >
    > Stocks are not for everyone. Perhaps a nice safe CD for you? But
    > losing your money slowly in a safe bank account that pays near or
    > below the rate of inflation is just not a great investment.


    No CDs are *not* a good investment. And stocks I have some moral issue
    about. As if you go in dumb and stupid and are not out to screw anybody,
    well ok. But you are probably not going to do well and you might be
    better with a CD (as bad as it is).

    If you really want to make a safe investment, those payday loan places
    make up to 200% annually off of their money. I never stopped in to one,
    but it sounds like making a loan with the mob or something. Arizona
    passed a law to prevent these places from charging like more than 38%
    annually. And one of them said we can't make money at 38% (or whatever
    it was) and pulled out of the state. Geez you can't make money at 38%?
    In stocks, 38% per year is doing really well.

    What bothers me the worst is those people who use those payday loans are
    living by the skin of their teeth. And they are the least able to afford
    such high interest rates. Yet this is what those people pry on. I
    personally think that is very sick and greedy.

    Lots of diversified stocks have gone south. And lots of people who
    trusted people to handle their retirement has lost half or even worse.
    So lots of hard working people who worked most of their lives after the
    carrot on the string ends up with little to nothing. I personally think
    that is really wrong.

    I personally believe it is the people who is after more than their fair
    share that is causing all of the problems. After they are greedy and
    don't care how much they screw other people. That is what has caused
    their benefits to drop to nothing, pension plans drop, and lower wages.
    As the greedy bastards are stealing from the hard working individuals. I
    personally see this is the worst crime ever! Even worse than a common
    thief. But it isn't classified as a crime, now is it? As it is
    completely legal. Even so it is still wrong!

    >> As a few who lose badly may end up like Barry

    >
    > Stocks didn't kill Barry, Barry killed Barry...


    Are you sure? If you work very hard all of your life and expect and
    promised so much back in return and somebody steals it all away from
    you... well I don't think you can blame Barry now really and let the
    others who caused it all to go scot free. As that would be all wrong!

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  20. Bob Villa

    Bob Villa Flightless Bird

    Re: Anybody Know What Happened To Barry Watzman?

    On Oct 18, 6:59 pm, "BillW50" <Bill...@aol.kom> wrote:

    >
    > Are you sure? If you work very hard all of your life and expect and
    > promised so much back in return and somebody steals it all away from
    > you... well I don't think you can blame Barry now really and let the
    > others who caused it all to go scot free. As that would be all wrong!
    >
    > --
    > Bill
    > Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2


    I understand Barry was your idle, but guess what...HE made a wrong
    decision and you need to accept that.
     

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