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BillW50
Flightless Bird
Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums
On 10/14/2010 1:59 AM, AJL wrote:
> BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2010 6:51 PM, AJL wrote:
>
>>> There are moderated Usenet groups too and they are just as easily
>>> controlled as moderated web forums.
>>
>> I have heard of them for years, but I never ran across one yet.
>
> The only moderated group I ever used was in the ham radio groups. It
> was created when the other ham groups turned into a profanity laced
> flamefest. Most hams are friendly on the air but something about
> Usenet...
Oh okay, makes sense.
>>> Bottom line: As I said previously Usenet is dying/dead.
>>
>> They have been saying this for 20 years now. So when is it going to die?
>
> This laptop group is about dead. Several days with no post at all.
> Remember when it was 20+ posts a day?
Yes. But I think it is far from dead. Although once those automated
warnings about do to the lack of posts, threatening the existence of
this group... then I think we can to start to worry.
>> He used to post in the newsgroups about 10
>> years ago and claimed he was from the year 2036.
>
> And then there was the guy who dated his posts a week in advance so
> that he would always stay on top of everyone else.
Yeah... some people. I guess you can't do that in a web forum. One of
the few benefits there.
>>> I just got an
>>> Android powered smartphone. So I searched my 125,000+ group Usenet
>>> provider. Nada.
>>
>> You can always create one if you would like.
>
> If I was lucky I could get a new Usenet group approved in 6 months
> after tons of hassle. I can form a new web forum/group in ten minutes
> or less.
True. There are more web forums than anybody can imagine. And many of
them fail too. Few stick around for the long haul.
>> I would hate to scan and search for something on 10 different web forums.
>
> Searching for something in a 1000 forums is easy. Google is your
> friend...
Same is true of newsgroups as well.
>> ... Pretty sad these web forums are so dead they have
>> to steal newsgroup posts to look like they have heavy activity, eh?
>
> Would that be the dead copying from the dead?
Many newsgroups are still doing very fine. Some hundreds of posts a day.
>> And ever noticed those web forums that really has subscribers, that most
>> of the posts are the blind leading the blind?
>
> And Usenet doesn't have the blind leading the blind?
Sometimes, but a biased or a clueless thread doesn't last too long in
the newsgroups before somebody comes in to correct it. Well there is
like 120,000+ newsgroups. And I can only speak about the few that I
subscribe too.
Worse the ones who are really helpful in those web forums leave due to
mainly a moderator or two. There was one named Molly that was one for
example. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but she was
really one of the most helpful ones there. And she was really smart and
on the ball. And knew so much more than I usually do. She is really
impressive in my book. But she is long gone. Thanks to web forums. This
doesn't happen in newsgroups.
>> Heck even most of the posts like on eeeuser are this way too.
>
> Would that apply to your posts I've seen there?
No I don't post there saying silly things like me too and is there any
solutions yet? Then tens, sometimes hundreds of others saying the very
same thing. The only good thing about that is it isn't just one person
who are experiencing that problem. But that is the only good thing out
of all of the posts.
>> So where is the solution? Hahaha... it is in there in the 938 posts
>> somewhere. Although you have days of reading just to find it. lol
>
> Actually IMO the eeeuser forum has a pretty good search function and
> has worked well for me in searching the site. Further the Wiki was
> been invaluable to me in modifying the Xandros OS to make it do what I
> wanted. I think you're dissing a very good site.
No I don't mean to dis this web forum. I picked this one since we both
use it. And Wiki is very nice at first, no doubt about it. But it ends
up being outdated and rarely does it ever get updated again. I read some
of them now and I see they are telling you how to do it the old hard
way. The better and easier ways are still buried in the forums. And
sometimes when you find it, someone usually says this should be in Wiki
and it never gets done.
SIDE NOTE: One of my 701s stopped charging today. My favorite of my
701s. Although I really like my two 702s better. Mainly because the SSDs
are removable. And I really believed it was finished and never work
again without the motherboard being repaired. So I used one of my 702 to
charge the battery. And now the 701 is working once again. Removing the
battery and AC from these things and then retrying corrects lots of
weird problems with these things.
--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
On 10/14/2010 1:59 AM, AJL wrote:
> BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2010 6:51 PM, AJL wrote:
>
>>> There are moderated Usenet groups too and they are just as easily
>>> controlled as moderated web forums.
>>
>> I have heard of them for years, but I never ran across one yet.
>
> The only moderated group I ever used was in the ham radio groups. It
> was created when the other ham groups turned into a profanity laced
> flamefest. Most hams are friendly on the air but something about
> Usenet...
Oh okay, makes sense.
>>> Bottom line: As I said previously Usenet is dying/dead.
>>
>> They have been saying this for 20 years now. So when is it going to die?
>
> This laptop group is about dead. Several days with no post at all.
> Remember when it was 20+ posts a day?
Yes. But I think it is far from dead. Although once those automated
warnings about do to the lack of posts, threatening the existence of
this group... then I think we can to start to worry.
>> He used to post in the newsgroups about 10
>> years ago and claimed he was from the year 2036.
>
> And then there was the guy who dated his posts a week in advance so
> that he would always stay on top of everyone else.
Yeah... some people. I guess you can't do that in a web forum. One of
the few benefits there.
>>> I just got an
>>> Android powered smartphone. So I searched my 125,000+ group Usenet
>>> provider. Nada.
>>
>> You can always create one if you would like.
>
> If I was lucky I could get a new Usenet group approved in 6 months
> after tons of hassle. I can form a new web forum/group in ten minutes
> or less.
True. There are more web forums than anybody can imagine. And many of
them fail too. Few stick around for the long haul.
>> I would hate to scan and search for something on 10 different web forums.
>
> Searching for something in a 1000 forums is easy. Google is your
> friend...
Same is true of newsgroups as well.
>> ... Pretty sad these web forums are so dead they have
>> to steal newsgroup posts to look like they have heavy activity, eh?
>
> Would that be the dead copying from the dead?
Many newsgroups are still doing very fine. Some hundreds of posts a day.
>> And ever noticed those web forums that really has subscribers, that most
>> of the posts are the blind leading the blind?
>
> And Usenet doesn't have the blind leading the blind?
Sometimes, but a biased or a clueless thread doesn't last too long in
the newsgroups before somebody comes in to correct it. Well there is
like 120,000+ newsgroups. And I can only speak about the few that I
subscribe too.
Worse the ones who are really helpful in those web forums leave due to
mainly a moderator or two. There was one named Molly that was one for
example. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but she was
really one of the most helpful ones there. And she was really smart and
on the ball. And knew so much more than I usually do. She is really
impressive in my book. But she is long gone. Thanks to web forums. This
doesn't happen in newsgroups.
>> Heck even most of the posts like on eeeuser are this way too.
>
> Would that apply to your posts I've seen there?
No I don't post there saying silly things like me too and is there any
solutions yet? Then tens, sometimes hundreds of others saying the very
same thing. The only good thing about that is it isn't just one person
who are experiencing that problem. But that is the only good thing out
of all of the posts.
>> So where is the solution? Hahaha... it is in there in the 938 posts
>> somewhere. Although you have days of reading just to find it. lol
>
> Actually IMO the eeeuser forum has a pretty good search function and
> has worked well for me in searching the site. Further the Wiki was
> been invaluable to me in modifying the Xandros OS to make it do what I
> wanted. I think you're dissing a very good site.
No I don't mean to dis this web forum. I picked this one since we both
use it. And Wiki is very nice at first, no doubt about it. But it ends
up being outdated and rarely does it ever get updated again. I read some
of them now and I see they are telling you how to do it the old hard
way. The better and easier ways are still buried in the forums. And
sometimes when you find it, someone usually says this should be in Wiki
and it never gets done.
SIDE NOTE: One of my 701s stopped charging today. My favorite of my
701s. Although I really like my two 702s better. Mainly because the SSDs
are removable. And I really believed it was finished and never work
again without the motherboard being repaired. So I used one of my 702 to
charge the battery. And now the 701 is working once again. Removing the
battery and AC from these things and then retrying corrects lots of
weird problems with these things.
--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2