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[BillW50]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On 9/25/2010 8:51 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs AJL wrote:
>> "BillW50"<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
> [snip]
>>> And my hearing can still hear over 18KHz (it was never any
>>> better). And they say
>>> I still can hear fine down to 20Hz. But I swear I
>>> can hear down to 10Hz using an audio generator with my Pioneer
>>> Monitor 10 headphones.
>>
>> You probably should have stuck with claiming 20Hz. 10Hz appears to be
>> impossible for 2 reasons:
>>
>> According to this original ad for those Pioneer phones they only go
>> down to 20Hz.
>>
>> http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/195735/pioneer-monitor-10
>>
>> And according to this article the best any human can do is 15Hz.
>>
>> http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ChrisDAmbrose.shtml
>>
>> And while you're reading the last one check out where it says: "The
>> highest frequency that a normal middle-aged adult can hear is only
>> 12-14 kilohertz. Also, the hearing range for men worsens more quickly
>> than the hearing range for women."
>>
>> So claiming 10Hz to 18KHz at your age...perhaps some exaggeration?
>
> LOL, it's a post by 'BillW50', exaggeration is a given, bullshit likely.

LOL You can't even behave when I am away, can you? And you stupidly make
the same mistakes over and over again by making an ass out of yourself
by making assumptions. You see, not all of us exaggerate and uses
bullshit like you routinely do. As many of us are way above such
nonsense. As some of us have integrity and believe in honesty is the
best policy. Something you don't seem to understand.


--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

[BillW50]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On 10/3/2010 1:11 PM, BillW50 wrote:
> On 9/25/2010 7:03 PM, AJL wrote:
>> "BillW50"<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:69iq969oicpkmtpctg73kftutcbc9lvg1i@4ax.com,
>>> AJL typed on Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:21:53 -0700:
>>
>> Do you suppose their equipment is limited to 20 Hz because that's the
>> normal lower limit for most young humans, much less an old (middle
>> aged?) guy?
>
> Yeah, but it doesn't help report those that can hear outside of the
> range too. Some people can hear a dog whistle for example. I can hear
> some dog whistles, but not all of them. My guess is some are higher than
> 18KHz which I cannot hear.

Oh sorry! I addressed the high frequencies but not the low end. So where
did you read the low frequencies diminish with age? Everything I read up
to now claims it is only the high frequencies that supposedly diminishes
with age. I guess that is what I have to look forward to once it starts
happening to me.

I haven't found this with Google searches yet (although I am sure it is
there), but I have heard some people also have frequency gaps in their
hearing as well. This is said to occur with high volume at some
frequencies over many years. Firing a weapon without ear protection is
one. Loud music is also another cause, etc.

I was once at a sewage treatment plant with a machine pumping cement for
some work they were doing there. It was so loud, we had to yell as loud
as we could to hear and understand one another. I actually started to
loose my voice from all of the yelling.

And I was there for about 20 minutes and I wasn't too concern at the
time. But when I left, I was totally deaf to all sounds for about
another 20 minutes. I don't know how much permanent damage that did, but
at the time I was wondering if I was permanently deaf or not. As I
didn't like not being able to hear anything at all. As I couldn't hear
an automobile horn blow or anything. Nothing but total dead silence.
That was really a strange experience.

Oh sorry, low frequencies yes (I got side tracked again)! I don't know
the physics for those able to hear below 20 Hz. As I don't know what it
requires or anything. All I do know is some of us can. And nowhere have
I read it diminishes with age either. So if you have the ability, it
sounds like you are stuck with it for life.

And as I touched on earlier, there are two components that are important
to bass, unlike mid-range and highs. And one being the sound (which is
important like mid and highs), but also that vibrational quality that
you don't only hear (okay some can't), but also feel (which all should).
So to reproduce that live sound faithfully, you need both the sound and
vibration components.

There is a lot involved to making something like music sound live in a
recording. The bass reproduction is a very big part of this, but not the
only part. Many systems gets the mid-range right, but they don't always
get the highs and lows right. Thus it just isn't the same. And I believe
even if your hearing isn't the greatest, at least you should be able to
feel the difference in a great system.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

[AJL]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>Many people post they can't read small type off of a 7 inch screen.

Must not be that many. Virtually everybody I know over the age of 9
has a cell phone on which they read the small type just fine. I just
got a new Droid (3.5" screen). Everyone I show it to wants to try it
out and do a little surfing. So far no complaints on not being able to
see the screen...

>And a lot of people watching me use mine says the same thing.
>But it ain't too small for me yet.

When my cataracts were at their final stages (before removal) I became
quite nearsighted and could read small print easily. A 7" screen would
have been no problem even though my eyes were very bad. So as I said,
I don't see what that capability proves...

 

[~misfit~]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
> On 9/25/2010 8:51 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs AJL wrote:
>>> "BillW50"<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> And my hearing can still hear over 18KHz (it was never any
>>>> better). And they say
>>>> I still can hear fine down to 20Hz. But I swear I
>>>> can hear down to 10Hz using an audio generator with my Pioneer
>>>> Monitor 10 headphones.
>>>
>>> You probably should have stuck with claiming 20Hz. 10Hz appears to
>>> be impossible for 2 reasons:
>>>
>>> According to this original ad for those Pioneer phones they only go
>>> down to 20Hz.
>>>
>>> http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/195735/pioneer-monitor-10
>>>
>>> And according to this article the best any human can do is 15Hz.
>>>
>>> http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ChrisDAmbrose.shtml
>>>
>>> And while you're reading the last one check out where it says: "The
>>> highest frequency that a normal middle-aged adult can hear is only
>>> 12-14 kilohertz. Also, the hearing range for men worsens more
>>> quickly than the hearing range for women."
>>>
>>> So claiming 10Hz to 18KHz at your age...perhaps some exaggeration?
>>
>> LOL, it's a post by 'BillW50', exaggeration is a given, bullshit
>> likely.
>
> LOL You can't even behave when I am away, can you? And you stupidly
> make the same mistakes over and over again by making an ass out of
> yourself by making assumptions. You see, not all of us exaggerate and
> uses bullshit like you routinely do. As many of us are way above such
> nonsense. As some of us have integrity and believe in honesty is the
> best policy. Something you don't seem to understand.

What amuses me is that you claim such high-minded ideals for yourself as
integrity and honesty in the same paragraph as you accuse me of
"bullshitting" regularly, being stupid etc.

It's hard to take the high road at the same time as you abuse a person, I
don't know why you think you can pull it off convincingly. Unless that's
another one of your superpowers? Oh, it can't be, I see that you use the
term 'us' rather than 'I', a sure sign of the pack mentality, imagining that
you're speaking for others...

Your being 'away' a holiday from the meds was it?
--
Shaun.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

 

[Bob Villa]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On Oct 4, 5:52 am, "~misfit~" <sore_n_ha...@nospamyahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 9/25/2010 8:51 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> >> Somewhere on teh intarwebs AJL wrote:
> >>> "BillW50"<Bill...@aol.kom>  wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>>> And my hearing can still hear over 18KHz (it was never any
> >>>> better). And they say
> >>>> I still can hear fine down to 20Hz. But I swear I
> >>>> can hear down to 10Hz using an audio generator with my Pioneer
> >>>> Monitor 10 headphones.
>
> >>> You probably should have stuck with claiming 20Hz. 10Hz appears to
> >>> be impossible for 2 reasons:
>
> >>> According to this original ad for those Pioneer phones they only go
> >>> down to 20Hz.
>
> >>>http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/195735/pioneer-monitor-10
>
> >>> And according to this article the best any human can do is 15Hz.
>
> >>>http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ChrisDAmbrose.shtml
>
> >>> And while you're reading the last one check out where it says: "The
> >>> highest frequency that a normal middle-aged adult can hear is only
> >>> 12-14 kilohertz. Also, the hearing range for men worsens more
> >>> quickly than the hearing range for women."
>
> >>> So claiming 10Hz to 18KHz at your age...perhaps some exaggeration?
>
> >> LOL, it's a post by 'BillW50', exaggeration is a given, bullshit
> >> likely.
>
> > LOL You can't even behave when I am away, can you? And you stupidly
> > make the same mistakes over and over again by making an ass out of
> > yourself by making assumptions. You see, not all of us exaggerate and
> > uses bullshit like you routinely do. As many of us are way above such
> > nonsense. As some of us have integrity and believe in honesty is the
> > best policy. Something you don't seem to understand.
>
> What amuses me is that you claim such high-minded ideals for yourself as
> integrity and honesty in the same paragraph as you accuse me of
> "bullshitting" regularly, being stupid etc.
>
> It's hard to take the high road at the same time as you abuse a person, I
> don't know why you think you can pull it off convincingly. Unless that's
> another one of your superpowers? Oh, it can't be, I see that you use the
> term 'us' rather than 'I', a sure sign of the pack mentality, imagining that
> you're speaking for others...
>
> Your being 'away' a holiday from the meds was it?
> --
> Shaun.
>
> "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
> monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
> into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Mr. Bill's image is that of an ego-centric has-been, with delusions of
grandeur. He spews forth with endless dialog hoping that more is
better...leaving less said than previously stated.

 

[olfart]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

<snip>
Mr. Bill's image is that of an ego-centric has-been, with delusions of
grandeur. He spews forth with endless dialog hoping that more is
better...leaving less said than previously stated.

Expert.....someone who knows more and more about less and less...
until he knows everything about nothing

 

[BillW50]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On 10/4/2010 6:58 AM, Bob Villa wrote:
> On Oct 4, 5:52 am, "~misfit~"<sore_n_ha...@nospamyahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
>> What amuses me is that you claim such high-minded ideals for yourself as
>> integrity and honesty in the same paragraph as you accuse me of
>> "bullshitting" regularly, being stupid etc.
>>
>> It's hard to take the high road at the same time as you abuse a person, I
>> don't know why you think you can pull it off convincingly. Unless that's
>> another one of your superpowers? Oh, it can't be, I see that you use the
>> term 'us' rather than 'I', a sure sign of the pack mentality, imagining that
>> you're speaking for others...
>>
>> Your being 'away' a holiday from the meds was it?
>
> Mr. Bill's image is that of an ego-centric has-been, with delusions of
> grandeur. He spews forth with endless dialog hoping that more is
> better...leaving less said than previously stated.

Only in the eyes of fools. You and Shaun can't keep up with the
technical aspects of the discussion. So being so clueless, you two do
what the only thing you both are good at. And that is using your
bullying skills. But it doesn't take any brains to be a bully, now does
it? As any fool can do so. lol

It would be nice to have more experts here, but I am afraid it won't do
much good. As you two bullies will only chase them away anyway.

"We all need to hear as many points of view as possible....and handle
whatever comes....a wise man once said, 'hating someone else's reality
does not make our own reality more real.'" -- seek2lurn

Jonathan Swift once said about 250 years ago: "When a true genius
appears in this world you may know him by the sign that the dunces are
all in confederacy against him."

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

[Bob Villa]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

You elevate yourself so high...you make an easy target. (notice, I am
succinct like a sound-bite...no need to make someone's "ears" bleed!)

 

[~misfit~]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bob Villa wrote:
> You elevate yourself so high...you make an easy target. (notice, I am
> succinct like a sound-bite...no need to make someone's "ears" bleed!)

Agreed. Thank gods.

Ironically I am in fact a 'true genius', completed high school three years
early etcetera ectera etcetera. However I don't often feel the need to
trumpet it from the highest mountain (while getting grammar and spelling
wrong...) That's part of the reason I jump on the fool's posts. They are
self-aggrandising bullshit dressed as wisdom and they irk me. However not to
the extent that they're worth much of my time.

I think I'll killfile him. Life's too short to waste on fools. (It always
amazed me how he talks of those who speak against him as being the deluded
minority yet that sub-set pretty much includes everyone who posts on the
subject.)

<plonk>

Ahhh, I feel better already. Liberated. I think I"ll get on with unsoldering
these most excellent sufrace-mount tantalum electrolytic capacitors from a
couple of high-end PCBs that I'm putting into the electronics recycling
collection. I always believe that re-using is one step better then
recycling.

Have a good day Mr Villa. Thanks for being the voice of reason.
--
Shaun.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

 

[Bob Villa]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On Oct 4, 50 pm, "~misfit~" <sore_n_ha...@nospamyahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Have a good day Mr Villa. Thanks for being the voice of reason.
> --
> Shaun.
>
> "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a
> monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also
> into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Much obliged! Shaun. (I actually know what those caps look like)

bob_v

 

[BillW50]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On 10/4/2010 10:17 AM, Bob Villa wrote:
> You elevate yourself so high...you make an easy target. (notice, I am
> succinct like a sound-bite...no need to make someone's "ears" bleed!)

It is a real shame, as I would very much like to encourage other
engineers and scientists to also comment here. But many of my colleagues
won't even think about stopping by here anymore because of all of the
assholes (you know who you are).

It is weird, eh? It was the scientists and engineers who first used the
newsgroups in the early days. It was really nice back then since you
could always get real expert help. But then the assholes moved in and
virtually all of my colleagues disappeared. Now the great expertize is
getting harder and harder to find in the newsgroups.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

[BillW50]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On 10/3/2010 11:49 PM, AJL wrote:
> BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> Many people post they can't read small type off of a 7 inch screen.
>
> Must not be that many. Virtually everybody I know over the age of 9
> has a cell phone on which they read the small type just fine. I just
> got a new Droid (3.5" screen). Everyone I show it to wants to try it
> out and do a little surfing. So far no complaints on not being able to
> see the screen...
>
>> And a lot of people watching me use mine says the same thing.
>> But it ain't too small for me yet.
>
> When my cataracts were at their final stages (before removal) I became
> quite nearsighted and could read small print easily. A 7" screen would
> have been no problem even though my eyes were very bad. So as I said,
> I don't see what that capability proves...

Well I am no expert, but from what I understand from my optometrists is
that most people as they age get more and more farsighted. And it fits
into my experience with friends and family too. As many of my friends
and family can't even read say a menu at a restaurant without reading
glasses.

Are more people nearsighted or farsighted?

About 30 percent of Americans are nearsighted, to some degree, and about
60 percent are farsighted...

http://www.enotes.com/science-fact-finder/human-body/more-people-nearsighted-farsighted

I also found lots of hits from Google that supports more farsighted with
age. "The eyes tend to become slightly more farsighted (or less
nearsighted) between the age of forty to fifty. Young to middle age
males can develop fluid swelling in the central retina and become
farsighted as a direct result of stress."

http://www.ca-medicalnews.com/farsighted-eyes.html

"But as we age, our eyes can no longer adjust as well, and
farsightedness becomes more obvious."

http://www.webmd.com/eye-health/tc/farsightedness-hyperopia-topic-overview

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

[Bob Villa]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On Oct 5, 71 am, BillW50 <Bill...@aol.kom> wrote:
> On 10/4/2010 10:17 AM, Bob Villa wrote:
>
> > You elevate yourself so high...you make an easy target.  (notice, I am
> > succinct like a sound-bite...no need to make someone's "ears" bleed!)
>
> It is a real shame, as I would very much like to encourage other
> engineers and scientists to also comment here. But many of my colleagues
> won't even think about stopping by here anymore because of all of the
> assholes (you know who you are).
>
> It is weird, eh? It was the scientists and engineers who first used the
> newsgroups in the early days. It was really nice back then since you
> could always get real expert help. But then the assholes moved in and
> virtually all of my colleagues disappeared. Now the great expertize is
> getting harder and harder to find in the newsgroups.
>
> --
> Bill
> Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

You seem to feed off your own shit...that would make you...an asshole
in reverse. As for "colleagues"...they would be bored-to-tears with
you already...why would they want to be here?

 

[BillW50]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On 10/5/2010 12:11 PM, Bob Villa wrote:
> On Oct 5, 71 am, BillW50<Bill...@aol.kom> wrote:
>> On 10/4/2010 10:17 AM, Bob Villa wrote:
>>
>>> You elevate yourself so high...you make an easy target. (notice, I am
>>> succinct like a sound-bite...no need to make someone's "ears" bleed!)
>>
>> It is a real shame, as I would very much like to encourage other
>> engineers and scientists to also comment here. But many of my colleagues
>> won't even think about stopping by here anymore because of all of the
>> assholes (you know who you are).
>>
>> It is weird, eh? It was the scientists and engineers who first used the
>> newsgroups in the early days. It was really nice back then since you
>> could always get real expert help. But then the assholes moved in and
>> virtually all of my colleagues disappeared. Now the great expertize is
>> getting harder and harder to find in the newsgroups.
>
> You seem to feed off your own shit...that would make you...an asshole
> in reverse. As for "colleagues"...they would be bored-to-tears with
> you already...why would they want to be here?

Why do you always lie Bob? I am in communication with my science and
engineering colleagues all of the time. No Bob, the assholes are the
ones who lie, slander, cheat, and uses personal insults. But then what
do you expect them to do? As they have nothing but their childish
tactics to use.

And why would they be here? Better yet why won't anybody not want them
here? As back in the 70's and 80's, tech support was often manned by
real engineers. That was great as you actually talked to somebody who
knew what they were talking about. Nowadays, you are likely to talk to
somebody who can speak halfway decent English. And often they know
little to nothing about the product they are supposedly supporting.

Should you find yourself the victim of other people's bitterness,
ignorance, smallness or insecurities; remember, things could be worse.
You could be them!!! -- Anonymous

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

[AJL]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>Well I am no expert, but from what I understand from my optometrists is
>that most people as they age get more and more farsighted.

That was my case too. I was far-sighted for years. But in age related
cataracts, the power of the lens can increase causing near-sightedness
and that's what happened to me. No reading glasses required. Course if
I had let things go there would soon have been no sight at all.

I had my choice of lens implants. I could have gone near in one eye
and far in the other (like you) to avoid glasses altogether. They say
the brain gets used to this, but I didn't want to lose my binocular
vision so just opted for fixed focus at room distance (around 10 feet)
which is where I spend most of my time. My eyes are rated at 20/20
now, though I don't understand this as I do need glasses to read
(close) and drive (far). But IMO my vision is better now (color,
clarity, sensitivity) than when I was young and didn't need glasses.

To those who might be offended by this OT posting I might point out
that there ain't much going on here lately anyway.

And Bill, it's not the kind of traffic that is scaring your friends
the scientists away, it's just that Usenet is obsolete and dying and
they are now frequenting the forums and blogs ect. where the real
action is. Back when I first got on Usenet (around 92) flaming was
alive and well and it didn't slow traffic down at all. In fact
compared to what I remember from back then you guys are pikers...

 

[BillW50]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On 10/5/2010 5:47 PM, AJL wrote:
> BillW50<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> Well I am no expert, but from what I understand from my optometrists is
>> that most people as they age get more and more farsighted.
>
> That was my case too. I was far-sighted for years. But in age related
> cataracts, the power of the lens can increase causing near-sightedness
> and that's what happened to me. No reading glasses required. Course if
> I had let things go there would soon have been no sight at all.
>
> I had my choice of lens implants. I could have gone near in one eye
> and far in the other (like you) to avoid glasses altogether. They say
> the brain gets used to this, but I didn't want to lose my binocular
> vision so just opted for fixed focus at room distance (around 10 feet)
> which is where I spend most of my time. My eyes are rated at 20/20
> now, though I don't understand this as I do need glasses to read
> (close) and drive (far). But IMO my vision is better now (color,
> clarity, sensitivity) than when I was young and didn't need glasses.

Very interesting. My current optometrist believes I will develop
cataracts in about 5 years since I am a T2 diabetic. Don't know if he is
right or not, but time will tell.

As for one eye seeing well close and the other far, well I guess the
brain does adjust as I was like that all of my life. Although glasses
evens that out. I have noticed that reading comprehension is slightly
different reading text with one or the other eye. I first discovered
this about 10 years ago. Before I never noticed this subtlety.

> To those who might be offended by this OT posting I might point out
> that there ain't much going on here lately anyway.
>
> And Bill, it's not the kind of traffic that is scaring your friends
> the scientists away, it's just that Usenet is obsolete and dying and
> they are now frequenting the forums and blogs ect. where the real
> action is. Back when I first got on Usenet (around 92) flaming was
> alive and well and it didn't slow traffic down at all. In fact
> compared to what I remember from back then you guys are pikers...

Yeah well to add insult to injury, one of those web forums made me a
moderator of over 7000 subscribers a number of years ago. I never even
wanted the job. Luckily it is a well behaved group and I don't have to
do anything really. And they have RSS feeds so I don't have to even use
the web browser.

Also another bad thing is lots of web based forums are highly
controlled. I don't see this as a good thing myself. Just another tool
for the powers to be to use. And they don't care for newsgroups as they
are virtually impossible to manipulate.

Case in point, a company who makes RC flight simulators has one of these
web forums. Somebody wanted to use their joystick instead of the
included flight controller and I told them how. Well this didn't sit
well with the webmaster and they banned my account and labeled me as a
pirate. And to get my account back, I must provide my serial numbers. So
I did and I never got my account back. Worse, I think the webmaster
filed my serial numbers as pirated. Which means no support or updates.
And I still have the receipts for over 900 bucks of software I bought
from them over the years. Now they I believe they are all virtually
worthless and marked as pirated. Nice, eh? All from trying to help
somebody. This nonsense never happens in a newsgroup setting.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

[AJL]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>lots of web based forums are highly controlled.

Many are not. And if you are unhappy you can always pick up your
marbles and go to another forum or even start your own.

>I don't see this as a good thing myself.

Depends on the quality of the forum supervision. I certainly don't
miss the flaming and profanity in a properly monitored forum. But
wait, judging from your recent posts that's your style so I can see
where you're coming from. (See how easily subtle gentlemanly flaming
can be done...

>And they don't care for newsgroups as they
>are virtually impossible to manipulate.

There are moderated Usenet groups too and they are just as easily
controlled as moderated web forums.

Bottom line: As I said previously Usenet is dying/dead. I just got an
Android powered smartphone. So I searched my 125,000+ group Usenet
provider. Nada. Checked the web and found over 10 forums on my first
search, some even dedicated to my exact phone model...

 

[BillW50]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

On 10/13/2010 6:51 PM, AJL wrote:
> There are moderated Usenet groups too and they are just as easily
> controlled as moderated web forums.

I have heard of them for years, but I never ran across one yet. Well
excluding those only found on one newsgroup server I mean.

> Bottom line: As I said previously Usenet is dying/dead.

They have been saying this for 20 years now. So when is it going to die?
In the thirty-third century or what? Then again many future fiction
stories will say we will have time travel by then. So you could always
travel back to the past and still use newsgroups anyway. John Titor heck
claimed he did just that. He used to post in the newsgroups about 10
years ago and claimed he was from the year 2036. Was it all just a hoax?
Maybe! But then again, in the year 2036 we might learn differently.

> I just got an
> Android powered smartphone. So I searched my 125,000+ group Usenet
> provider. Nada.

You can always create one if you would like.

> Checked the web and found over 10 forums on my first
> search, some even dedicated to my exact phone model...

Geez! And you see that as a good thing? I would hate to scan and search
for something on 10 different web forums. That is just nuts!

Ever noticed how many web forums just copy newsgroups posts? Some of
them I don't even think they have any actual subscribers. Here is a tiny
sample:

http://www.technologyquestions.com
http://www.vistax64.com
http://www.eggheadcafe.com
http://www.windowskb.com
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/
http://www.outlookforums.com/
http://thedailyreviewer.com/xphelp/
http://www.motherboardpoint.com
http://forum.soft32.com
http://www.winvistatips.com
http://www.techtalkz.com
http://www.techreplies.com
http://thedailyreviewer.com
http://www.adras.com
http://www.pcreview.co.uk

And the list goes on and on... I would not be surprised if there are
thousands of these forums stealing newsgroups posts and calling them
their own web forums. Pretty sad these web forums are so dead they have
to steal newsgroup posts to look like they have heavy activity, eh?

And ever noticed those web forums that really has subscribers, that most
of the posts are the blind leading the blind? Heck even most of the
posts like on eeeuser are this way too. Hell look at this one is a good
example:

Power supply drains when eee 900 switched off?
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=34479&p=1

So where is the solution? Hahaha... it is in there in the 938 posts
somewhere. Although you have days of reading just to find it. lol

Web forums... the future.... ROTFL! Where it is all about quantity and
nothing about quality. lol

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2

 

[AJL]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>On 10/13/2010 6:51 PM, AJL wrote:

>> There are moderated Usenet groups too and they are just as easily
>> controlled as moderated web forums.
>
>I have heard of them for years, but I never ran across one yet.

The only moderated group I ever used was in the ham radio groups. It
was created when the other ham groups turned into a profanity laced
flamefest. Most hams are friendly on the air but something about
Usenet...

>> Bottom line: As I said previously Usenet is dying/dead.
>
>They have been saying this for 20 years now. So when is it going to die?

This laptop group is about dead. Several days with no post at all.
Remember when it was 20+ posts a day?

>He used to post in the newsgroups about 10
>years ago and claimed he was from the year 2036.

And then there was the guy who dated his posts a week in advance so
that he would always stay on top of everyone else.

>> I just got an
>> Android powered smartphone. So I searched my 125,000+ group Usenet
>> provider. Nada.
>
>You can always create one if you would like.

If I was lucky I could get a new Usenet group approved in 6 months
after tons of hassle. I can form a new web forum/group in ten minutes
or less.

>I would hate to scan and search for something on 10 different web forums.

Searching for something in a 1000 forums is easy. Google is your
friend...

>... Pretty sad these web forums are so dead they have
>to steal newsgroup posts to look like they have heavy activity, eh?

Would that be the dead copying from the dead?

>And ever noticed those web forums that really has subscribers, that most
>of the posts are the blind leading the blind?

And Usenet doesn't have the blind leading the blind?

>Heck even most of the posts like on eeeuser are this way too.

Would that apply to your posts I've seen there?

>So where is the solution? Hahaha... it is in there in the 938 posts
>somewhere. Although you have days of reading just to find it. lol

Actually IMO the eeeuser forum has a pretty good search function and
has worked well for me in searching the site. Further the Wiki was
been invaluable to me in modifying the Xandros OS to make it do what I
wanted. I think you're dissing a very good site.

 

[AJL]

Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums

BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>I wrote about this before about 4 years back. I did between then and now
>subscribe to Consumer Reports once again, but it had lapsed once again.
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/comp...q="Consumer+Reports"+BillW50#a54bcbc427c5fe37

Oh my. You resorted to searching Google Groups to find something on
Usenet?? And isn't this one of those awful places that (gasp) copies
Usenet posts in it's groups? Hope you wore a bag over your head while
you were there...