Re: OT Subject: Usenet vs Web Forums
In news:i7hfhr$8b8$1@news.eternal-september.org,
~misfit~ typed on Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:13:10 +1200:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:i6bq0b$81c$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>> ~misfit~ typed on Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:18
2 +1200:
>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
>>>> A SIDE NOTE: My best stereo (still got it too) was bought in the
>>>> mid-70's for 3 grand and was a Marantz 4400 quad with other
>>>> components. All solid state except for the cute o'scope display
>>>> which was a CRT (you could see the actual FM multipath distortion
>>>> and everything). Stereos hit their peak back then and went downhill
>>>> ever since. As quality lost their importance and was replaced by
>>>> cheap crap!
>>>
>>> You want great modern stereos? I have a friend who has a couple of
>>> these systems and I can assure you they're not 'cheap' and have
>>> continued to go 'uphill', his 20 year old rig is certainly inferior
>>> to his 4 year old one:
>>> <http/www.perreaux.com/home/>
>>>
>>> I have a couple of their early PA amplifiers, one of which powers my
>>> home-theatre subwoofer. Alas, I can't afford a Perreaux for my main
>>> amp. I use an older Pioneer (5 x 100W RMS in home theatre mode, with
>>> very little distortion) for that.
>>
>> You still don't get it, do you Shaun? As many audio connoisseurs
>> consider the mid to the near end of the 70's to be the peak.
>
> Nah, they're old farts who's memories are better than their hearing
> now.
Boy you could not be ever more wrong! Even this student was shocked from
the sounds that came out of these speakers. And btw, my hearing and eye
sight are still the same as when I was 18 years old. Yes, I have the
records.
Reviewed by: Sven L(Unregistered User) (AudioPhile)
February 14, 2003
Price Paid: $50.00 from Salvation Army
Summary:
WOW - saw these at the local Salvation Army, looking for a cheep kitchen
table (I am a student...) These were listed for $25/piece. I though i
could spare that much, and maybe they are good speakers. Boy, was i in
for a surprise. These speackers put my newer $200/piece 300watt
speackers to shame. Next to professional speaker equipement used by my
friends band, I have not heard better quality sound in a long time.
origionally i was thinking about selling these for a profit... My old
speakers are now on e-bay, and i'm keeping these babies.
>> What came out later just doesn't measure up. Sure they got better
>> than the 80's and later, but not better than the 70's.
>
> I'd be mighty impressed if you could back that up with some
> creditable cites / sites that aren't just old farts stuck in the
> past. You know, like legitimate audiophile sources.
Everybody who listens to them just raves about how great they sound. See
the other dozen people who raved about them. And ignore that one nut who
thought it was a little weak in the bass. lol
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/spea...akers/sansui/sp-x9000/PRD_120543_1594crx.aspx
>> There is a big difference there. My four Sansui SP-X9000 (4 way, 6
>> speaker) for example uses 16 inch woofers. Who makes 4 way 6 speaker
>> systems with 16 inch woofers today?
>
> Nobody that I know of. Driver design, build and materials means you
> don't need a whole bunch of narrow-bandwidth drivers and complex
> crossovers to produce a full sound. Likewise you no longer need a 16"
> driver to get full, deep bass. Speaker designers understand acoustics
> better these days too.
No, you couldn't be anymore wrong! As the new designs cheats by getting
by with smaller and cheaper speakers and sometimes using waveguides to
try to achieve the same big bass sound. Yes that sort of works, but it
isn't anything near as good. But it is cheaper nonetheless. Try using
this newer design for concerts and I bet it just won't fly for long. As
they go for the old big bass speakers instead. As there is no
comparison.
> Similarly you don't see massive V8s so much these days as it's
> possible to get more power and torque from smaller engines more
> efficiently.
>
> You just don't get it do you old man?
Sure I get it! And I am not an old man yet and barely in my 50's. And
one of my vehicles is a huge 5.9L V8. It's a cargo van. Gets 12 to
14MPG. And my tiny '05 Chrysler minivan has a tiny 4 cylinder and gets
between 18 to 21MPG. And the V8 cargo van has the same acceleration as a
'95 Corvette between 0 to 60MPH (I know I raced one three times). The
minivan? The acceleration is very slow. Barely faster than a '68 VW
Beetle. And when I want great MPG, I take my '95 Honda Shadow v-twin
1100cc that gets 48MPG. And it even beats the Corvette (and my cargo
van) in acceleration.
Smaller engines only has more power and torque thanks to mostly fuel
injection and turbos. Otherwise not much has changed at all. And my
Honda 1100cc has the smallest of my engines, the best MPG, and the best
acceleration of what I own. And it is only because it is the lightest as
well at 550lbs. And it has been the same for over 100 years. Lighter
requires less power. No news there. And make vehicles out of cheap and
light plastic, they will get better gas mileage. No big secret!
>> And they have none of that foam crap (which decomposes in time)
>> they use on most if not all of the grills today.
>
> Foam crap grills? What are you smoking old man? Or do you mean
> surrounds / suspensions? I have some excellent drivers from companies
> like Vifa that have real rubber surrounds not foam, and not 40 years
> old either. My Jamo speakers have 'rubberised' woven cloth surronds.
> There are others that are even better that I can't afford. Only
> rubbish that an audiophile wouldn't look twice at has foam.
Rubberized? Rubber and oxygen doesn't mix. Just like foam, they don't
last in time. Sansui SP-X9000 doesn't use any rubber either. And they
lasted over 30 years and may last another 30 years.
>> http://www.randallareed.com/Sansui_X9000.htm
>
> Gods! What dinosaurs! However they must be great, he gave them a 15
> day warranty!
Used stuff usually comes with a very short warranty and this is SOP
here. And it is true when he said it sounds like you are listening to a
live performance with these speakers. This is what makes these things so
impressive. And they also double as concert speakers as well. I had a
friend in a band and he borrowed mine a number of times. As the band
blew out their speakers and loved how mine sounded and used them until
they could get theirs replaced.
> I bet that they don't sound half as good as a pair of Thiele's that
> would be at leat 20 years newer.
I never heard Thiele's before, but unless they are high end concert
speakers, I would seriously doubt it.
> They don't even make it to this list:
>
> http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=1885
>
> Stereophile's list of the best 25 speakers from the last 40 years.
> (Written in late 2003.) In fact I don't see a single Sansui there.
I bet the author never heard of Sansui SP-X9000 either. Most people
never have. They were rare in the 70's and even rarer today. I wouldn't
be surprised if just a few thousand in the whole world have ever heard
them before. As they were usually above most people's radar.
> Ehh, I've wasted enough time on you. Sound is subjective, what you
> swear is best someone else might think sucks.
I have never heard one single person ever say a bad thing about Sansui
SP-X9000 after they heard them. They either say they are the best they
have ever heard or almost the best they have ever heard (assuming money
is no object). So you can't get much better than that.
> You're all wrong about your amps below too. Just because most cheap
> stuff in appliance stores is rubbish doesn't mean everything is. Go
> into a high-end store (with listening rooms) and check some modern
> stuff out. (But you won't, you're too set in your ways.)
I tried Shaun! The high end audio stores (those with sound rooms) didn't
carry any Marantz 4400 or Sansui SP-X9000 speakers. At least the dozen I
went to around Chicago didn't carry them. They were only available by
special order in the 70's at these places. These were too high end for
these speciality audio stores. I did see their cheaper cousins though.
> FWIW I used to be a live sound engineer doing freelance work for
> bands at concerts / tours and was in demand.
Well then you should have some idea what Sansui SP-X9000 speakers sounds
like then. As they sound like a live band. They even have that bass that
vibrates right through your body. And the highs that are so sharp and
crisp. And take recordings you have heard many times before and you will
be surprised that you will hear other instruments you never heard before
with other speakers.
To be fair, Kenwood made a speaker model 8000 I think it was that was
almost as good sounding as these Sansui SP-X9000. Although the bass
speaker was only 15 inches (vs. 16 inches) I think. But almost
everything else the same. Although the Kenwoods had plastic coating on
the bass which was supposed to make the cone last longer.
> Now go back to the comfort of your Sansui dinosaurs. LOL, ranting
> about going to the moon below, what an old fool!
I haven't heard anybody claiming of hearing of better sounding speakers
yet. At least outside of the concert class of speakers anyway. And if I
or you find a better pair of speakers, I sure would love to hear about
it.
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 (no room for Windows Updates)
