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Daave
Flightless Bird
Re: LKGC question update 8-30
How do you know LKGC is not working right? The only way to truly know is
to use it and see what happens. Then again, you don't seem to have a
reason to run it in the first place (from what I understand). If your
drivers are noexistent, it just means you need to install them. (If you
need guidance, simply post back with details.) Running LKGC at this
point -- even assuming it's 100% functional -- will not get you your
drivers back.
Once again, registry backups, System Restore, LKGC -- none of these will
install drivers for you (most likely*). If you don't have performance
issues and your only issues are that some drivers are missing, simply
install the drivers.
If you suspect a malware infestation, address that. And yes, in some
cases a Clean Install is the quickest solution in certain situations.
* There is an exception. If one week ago, your system was perfect (but
you actively messed it up in the last week), then running System Restore
(or perhaps restoring your registry using ERUNT) would very likely
restore everything back to how it was (assuming you didn't do too much
damage). You would of course need to choose the date of August 24.
Now you hopefully see the value in imaging your drive! That is an even
better method to recover from bad situations.
Debbie Graham wrote:
> Daave, my problem is my LKGC. It's the same configuration as it was
> over a year ago. It's not working right. Most of my drivers are non
> existent like my ATI graphics, printers, avg antivirus, etc. I
> wanted to know instead of doing a clean install would using the LKGC
> and then using a registry backup from the ERUNT folder get my missing
> drivers back that LKGC isn't loading.
> The tech guy where I get my pc worked on sometimes told me about the
> formatting.
>
>
> Debbie
>
> "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
> news:uYyQ20PSLHA.796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> From looking at the large volume of posts without any resolution,
>> you gave me the impression you were experiencing a considerable
>> amount of agggravation. Perhaps I shouldn't have assumed that;
>> perhaps you see this as more of a learning exercise.
>>
>> That being said, you would no longer be experiencing this issue had
>> you bitten the bullet and performed a Clean Install. I still think
>> John's suggestion is a valid one.
>>
>> What exactly is your PC's problem? This thread is not easy to
>> follow! It seemed you were mucking around in the Windows folder and
>> didn't like what you saw. But are there any actual performance
>> issues? Which drivers are not loading?
>>
>> Where did you get this idea that "too much formatting can damage
>> your hard drive"?
>>
>>
>> Debbie Graham wrote:
>>> Also rebuilding from scratch would be more of a headache for me than
>>> dealing with some drivers not loading. Why does starting from
>>> scratch always have to be a final solution? There has to be ways to
>>> work around problems rather than format and start over. Formatting
>>> also decreases your hard drive performance and too much formatting
>>> can damage your hard drive. Debbie
>>> "Debbie Graham" <jgraham1@luvscats.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u4Xk8aMSLHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> I did do everything John suggested for your information.
>>>>
>>>> Debbie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:egOASSLSLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Had you followed John's suggestion, you'd have saved yourself lots
>>>>> of aggravation!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Debbie Graham wrote:
>>>>>> Hey John would this work for me? Since my LKGC is messed up, and
>>>>>> if I have to use it again would this work to get my current
>>>>>> drivers working. I also use ERUNT, so if I use the LKGC to boot
>>>>>> the machine then go and run the backup of one of those would that
>>>>>> fix
>>>>>> things? Now my question, I have the backups for ERUNT in the
>>>>>> windows directory, even though I used LKGC those files won't be
>>>>>> touched? The files will be the same ones before the pc wouldn't
>>>>>> boot, or do
>>>>>> I need to move the backups on one of my other partitions? Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Debbie Graham" <jgraham1@luvscats.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> newsLumKP4RLHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hey John would this work for me? Since my LKGC is messed up,
>>>>>>> and if I have to use it again would this work to get my current
>>>>>>> drivers working. I also use ERUNT, so if I use the LKGC to boot
>>>>>>> the machine then go and run the backup of one of those would
>>>>>>> that fix things? Now my question, I have the backups for ERUNT
>>>>>>> in the windows directory, even though I used LKGC those files
>>>>>>> won't be touched?
>>>>>>> The files will be the same ones before the pc wouldn't boot, or
>>>>>>> do I need to move the backups on one of my other partitions?
>>>>>>> Thanks Debbie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John John - MVP" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> newsbRcaSvQLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> What does the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Select key tell you?
>>>>>>>> Which Control set is the LKGC and which is the current?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is something else wrong with the machine, unless programs
>>>>>>>> run as services or rely on certain drivers (some like AV
>>>>>>>> software do, but most don't) programs don't or should not
>>>>>>>> record anything in the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM key and using
>>>>>>>> a different Control Set should not affect installed software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Debbie Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That's just it John. I used the LKGC last year sometime and
>>>>>>>>> just used it again a few days ago and it's the same exact
>>>>>>>>> configuaration from a year ago. My graphics card drivers
>>>>>>>>> (ATI) is non existent, my AVG antivirus had to be reinstalled
>>>>>>>>> my new printer install had to be installed all over again,
>>>>>>>>> plus a few other programs of mine. Something is wrong, I
>>>>>>>>> should not have the same configuration now as I did a year
>>>>>>>>> ago. Debbie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John John - MVP" <audetweld@nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:ujVeQnlQLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/2010 11:17 PM, Debbie Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have asked this question before but haven't had any
>>>>>>>>>>> positive results. I
>>>>>>>>>>> just had to use the LKGC and it was like from a year or so
>>>>>>>>>>> ago. I read
>>>>>>>>>>> where the ControlSets have something to do with it. I have
>>>>>>>>>>> 3 of them ControlSet001, ControlSet002 and ControlSet003. Do
>>>>>>>>>>> I have too many? Which
>>>>>>>>>>> one would be the right more recent one? When I use it the
>>>>>>>>>>> way it is now, it
>>>>>>>>>>> makes most of my programs useless and have to reinstall
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>> No, you don't have too many control sets and the Last Known
>>>>>>>>>> Good Configuration that you used was *not* from a year ago...
>>>>>>>>>> unless the computer ran for a whole year without being
>>>>>>>>>> rebooted. If the computer boots properly today and if you
>>>>>>>>>> turn it off tonight, today's boot configuration (right after
>>>>>>>>>> a user logs on) will be the Last Known Good Configuration the
>>>>>>>>>> next time the computer is booted. Consult the
>>>>>>>>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Select to know which control set is
>>>>>>>>>> the LKGC. John
How do you know LKGC is not working right? The only way to truly know is
to use it and see what happens. Then again, you don't seem to have a
reason to run it in the first place (from what I understand). If your
drivers are noexistent, it just means you need to install them. (If you
need guidance, simply post back with details.) Running LKGC at this
point -- even assuming it's 100% functional -- will not get you your
drivers back.
Once again, registry backups, System Restore, LKGC -- none of these will
install drivers for you (most likely*). If you don't have performance
issues and your only issues are that some drivers are missing, simply
install the drivers.
If you suspect a malware infestation, address that. And yes, in some
cases a Clean Install is the quickest solution in certain situations.
* There is an exception. If one week ago, your system was perfect (but
you actively messed it up in the last week), then running System Restore
(or perhaps restoring your registry using ERUNT) would very likely
restore everything back to how it was (assuming you didn't do too much
damage). You would of course need to choose the date of August 24.
Now you hopefully see the value in imaging your drive! That is an even
better method to recover from bad situations.
Debbie Graham wrote:
> Daave, my problem is my LKGC. It's the same configuration as it was
> over a year ago. It's not working right. Most of my drivers are non
> existent like my ATI graphics, printers, avg antivirus, etc. I
> wanted to know instead of doing a clean install would using the LKGC
> and then using a registry backup from the ERUNT folder get my missing
> drivers back that LKGC isn't loading.
> The tech guy where I get my pc worked on sometimes told me about the
> formatting.
>
>
> Debbie
>
> "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
> news:uYyQ20PSLHA.796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> From looking at the large volume of posts without any resolution,
>> you gave me the impression you were experiencing a considerable
>> amount of agggravation. Perhaps I shouldn't have assumed that;
>> perhaps you see this as more of a learning exercise.
>>
>> That being said, you would no longer be experiencing this issue had
>> you bitten the bullet and performed a Clean Install. I still think
>> John's suggestion is a valid one.
>>
>> What exactly is your PC's problem? This thread is not easy to
>> follow! It seemed you were mucking around in the Windows folder and
>> didn't like what you saw. But are there any actual performance
>> issues? Which drivers are not loading?
>>
>> Where did you get this idea that "too much formatting can damage
>> your hard drive"?
>>
>>
>> Debbie Graham wrote:
>>> Also rebuilding from scratch would be more of a headache for me than
>>> dealing with some drivers not loading. Why does starting from
>>> scratch always have to be a final solution? There has to be ways to
>>> work around problems rather than format and start over. Formatting
>>> also decreases your hard drive performance and too much formatting
>>> can damage your hard drive. Debbie
>>> "Debbie Graham" <jgraham1@luvscats.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u4Xk8aMSLHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> I did do everything John suggested for your information.
>>>>
>>>> Debbie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:egOASSLSLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Had you followed John's suggestion, you'd have saved yourself lots
>>>>> of aggravation!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Debbie Graham wrote:
>>>>>> Hey John would this work for me? Since my LKGC is messed up, and
>>>>>> if I have to use it again would this work to get my current
>>>>>> drivers working. I also use ERUNT, so if I use the LKGC to boot
>>>>>> the machine then go and run the backup of one of those would that
>>>>>> fix
>>>>>> things? Now my question, I have the backups for ERUNT in the
>>>>>> windows directory, even though I used LKGC those files won't be
>>>>>> touched? The files will be the same ones before the pc wouldn't
>>>>>> boot, or do
>>>>>> I need to move the backups on one of my other partitions? Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Debbie Graham" <jgraham1@luvscats.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> newsLumKP4RLHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hey John would this work for me? Since my LKGC is messed up,
>>>>>>> and if I have to use it again would this work to get my current
>>>>>>> drivers working. I also use ERUNT, so if I use the LKGC to boot
>>>>>>> the machine then go and run the backup of one of those would
>>>>>>> that fix things? Now my question, I have the backups for ERUNT
>>>>>>> in the windows directory, even though I used LKGC those files
>>>>>>> won't be touched?
>>>>>>> The files will be the same ones before the pc wouldn't boot, or
>>>>>>> do I need to move the backups on one of my other partitions?
>>>>>>> Thanks Debbie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John John - MVP" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> newsbRcaSvQLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> What does the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Select key tell you?
>>>>>>>> Which Control set is the LKGC and which is the current?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is something else wrong with the machine, unless programs
>>>>>>>> run as services or rely on certain drivers (some like AV
>>>>>>>> software do, but most don't) programs don't or should not
>>>>>>>> record anything in the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM key and using
>>>>>>>> a different Control Set should not affect installed software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Debbie Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That's just it John. I used the LKGC last year sometime and
>>>>>>>>> just used it again a few days ago and it's the same exact
>>>>>>>>> configuaration from a year ago. My graphics card drivers
>>>>>>>>> (ATI) is non existent, my AVG antivirus had to be reinstalled
>>>>>>>>> my new printer install had to be installed all over again,
>>>>>>>>> plus a few other programs of mine. Something is wrong, I
>>>>>>>>> should not have the same configuration now as I did a year
>>>>>>>>> ago. Debbie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John John - MVP" <audetweld@nbnot.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:ujVeQnlQLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/2010 11:17 PM, Debbie Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have asked this question before but haven't had any
>>>>>>>>>>> positive results. I
>>>>>>>>>>> just had to use the LKGC and it was like from a year or so
>>>>>>>>>>> ago. I read
>>>>>>>>>>> where the ControlSets have something to do with it. I have
>>>>>>>>>>> 3 of them ControlSet001, ControlSet002 and ControlSet003. Do
>>>>>>>>>>> I have too many? Which
>>>>>>>>>>> one would be the right more recent one? When I use it the
>>>>>>>>>>> way it is now, it
>>>>>>>>>>> makes most of my programs useless and have to reinstall
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>> No, you don't have too many control sets and the Last Known
>>>>>>>>>> Good Configuration that you used was *not* from a year ago...
>>>>>>>>>> unless the computer ran for a whole year without being
>>>>>>>>>> rebooted. If the computer boots properly today and if you
>>>>>>>>>> turn it off tonight, today's boot configuration (right after
>>>>>>>>>> a user logs on) will be the Last Known Good Configuration the
>>>>>>>>>> next time the computer is booted. Consult the
>>>>>>>>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Select to know which control set is
>>>>>>>>>> the LKGC. John