Frank's Ill Informed Quote of the Day

[Gordon]

"Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hmn5fc$3sh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Robert Brereton wrote:
>>>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
>>>> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur
>>>> OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It will
>>>> never go further until it is at least as easy to install and have as
>>>> many useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as it
>>>> is too complex for an average user.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>>>> machine, nothing more.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>> You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
>>
>> Blueyonder. Say no more.
>
> Your point being?

That Blueyonder subscribers have a reputation in the newsgroups for asking
silly questions.

You need to see my other posts about global CRM/ERM systems running on
Linux.

 

[Gordon]

"Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken off
> due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur OS
> that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.

And here is SAGE running on Linux. (Not that I like Sage - it's horrible)

http://www.sageenterprisesolutions.com/liveweb/index.cfm?cid=245&navid=278

Come on BOB - tell us what a MAIN STREAM business system is in your
(obviously flawed) view...

 

[Gordon]

"Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken off
> due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur OS
> that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.

And here's a company that has even got MICROSOFT DYNAMICS working in Linux.

http://globallica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39991&Itemid=9


Come on Bob - admit it you are full of ignorant FUD.

Work for Microsoft do we?

 

[Robert Brereton]

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:BUKjn.124101$Np2.38959@newsfe24.ams2...
>>
>>
>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hmnrhj$31u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>> news:hmn5fc$3sh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Robert Brereton wrote:
>>>>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
>>>>> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an
>>>>> amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It
>>>>> will never go further until it is at least as easy to install and have
>>>>> as many useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as
>>>>> it is too complex for an average user.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>>>>> machine, nothing more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
>>>
>>> Blueyonder. Say no more.
>>
>> Your point being?
>
> That Blueyonder subscribers have a reputation in the newsgroups for asking
> silly questions.
>
> You need to see my other posts about global CRM/ERM systems running on
> Linux.
1. My Blueyonder email address came with my 50Mb internet connection which
saves an enormous amount of time when downloading drivers etc so I can be
smug about it from that point of view.

2. I use this newsgroup to try and be alert to common or unusual problems
that may crop up with windows 7 given that it is a new(ish) OS.

3. The point I was trying to make is that Linux generally is difficult for
an average/uninformed PC user to get to grips with, because it is quite
complex and if you don't know what you are doing with computers there is no
chance of getting it to work properly. Some of the 'HAHA'(Nelson Mode)
comments users will get on forums will put them off when they ask what
appear to the 'experts' silly questions to try and get an answer to
something they don't understand.

4. I don't know of any large organisation that uses Linux for day to day
business to any degree, all the ones I have dealings with use MS products
and are compatible. So yes Linux still has a long way to go before it can
be considered a mainstream OS.

5. I have to admit that the likes of Open office is quite good for basic WP
and number crunching.

Bob

 

[Alias]

Robert Brereton wrote:
>
>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hmnu33$ekh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:BUKjn.124101$Np2.38959@newsfe24.ams2...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hmnrhj$31u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hmn5fc$3sh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Robert Brereton wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not
>>>>>> taken off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about
>>>>>> an amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business
>>>>>> systems. It will never go further until it is at least as easy to
>>>>>> install and have as many useful apps as windows. Non-techies will
>>>>>> not understand it as it is too complex for an average user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>>>>>> machine, nothing more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
>>>>
>>>> Blueyonder. Say no more.
>>>
>>> Your point being?
>>
>> That Blueyonder subscribers have a reputation in the newsgroups for
>> asking silly questions.
>>
>> You need to see my other posts about global CRM/ERM systems running on
>> Linux.
> 1. My Blueyonder email address came with my 50Mb internet connection
> which saves an enormous amount of time when downloading drivers etc so I
> can be smug about it from that point of view.
>
> 2. I use this newsgroup to try and be alert to common or unusual
> problems that may crop up with windows 7 given that it is a new(ish) OS.
>
> 3. The point I was trying to make is that Linux generally is difficult
> for an average/uninformed PC user to get to grips with, because it is
> quite complex and if you don't know what you are doing with computers
> there is no chance of getting it to work properly. Some of the
> 'HAHA'(Nelson Mode) comments users will get on forums will put them off
> when they ask what appear to the 'experts' silly questions to try and
> get an answer to something they don't understand.

Not true anymore. Ubuntu is more user friendly than Windows 7 and very
easy to install. I haven't used a command line in ages.

>
> 4. I don't know of any large organisation that uses Linux for day to day
> business to any degree, all the ones I have dealings with use MS
> products and are compatible. So yes Linux still has a long way to go
> before it can be considered a mainstream OS.

Just because you don't know any doesn't mean there aren't any.

>
> 5. I have to admit that the likes of Open office is quite good for
> basic WP and number crunching.
>
> Bob

A lot of other programs are good too like GIMP, Thunderbird, Firefox,
Brasero, XSane Image Scanner, Pidgin, gDesklets, Exaile, Deluge, etc.,
etc. etc.

--
Alias

 

[Gordon]

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
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> Robert Brereton wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hmnu33$ekh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:BUKjn.124101$Np2.38959@newsfe24.ams2...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hmnrhj$31u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hmn5fc$3sh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> Robert Brereton wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not
>>>>>>> taken off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about
>>>>>>> an amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.
>>>>>>> It will never go further until it is at least as easy to install and
>>>>>>> have as many useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not
>>>>>>> understand it as it is too complex for an average user.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>>>>>>> machine, nothing more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blueyonder. Say no more.
>>>>
>>>> Your point being?
>>>
>>> That Blueyonder subscribers have a reputation in the newsgroups for
>>> asking silly questions.
>>>
>>> You need to see my other posts about global CRM/ERM systems running on
>>> Linux.
>> 1. My Blueyonder email address came with my 50Mb internet connection
>> which saves an enormous amount of time when downloading drivers etc so I
>> can be smug about it from that point of view.
>>
>> 2. I use this newsgroup to try and be alert to common or unusual problems
>> that may crop up with windows 7 given that it is a new(ish) OS.
>>
>> 3. The point I was trying to make is that Linux generally is difficult
>> for an average/uninformed PC user to get to grips with, because it is
>> quite complex and if you don't know what you are doing with computers
>> there is no chance of getting it to work properly. Some of the
>> 'HAHA'(Nelson Mode) comments users will get on forums will put them off
>> when they ask what appear to the 'experts' silly questions to try and get
>> an answer to something they don't understand.
>
> Not true anymore. Ubuntu is more user friendly than Windows 7 and very
> easy to install. I haven't used a command line in ages.
>
>>
>> 4. I don't know of any large organisation that uses Linux for day to day
>> business to any degree, all the ones I have dealings with use MS products
>> and are compatible. So yes Linux still has a long way to go before it
>> can be considered a mainstream OS.
>
> Just because you don't know any doesn't mean there aren't any.
>
>>
>> 5. I have to admit that the likes of Open office is quite good for basic
>> WP and number crunching.
>>
>> Bob
>
> A lot of other programs are good too like GIMP, Thunderbird, Firefox,
> Brasero, XSane Image Scanner, Pidgin, gDesklets, Exaile, Deluge, etc.,
> etc. etc.

And he STILL hasn't responded to my posts telling him that Oracle, SAP and J
D Edwards, the top three CRM/ERM BUSINESS systems (his quote) ALL run on
Linux. Sage does also and even Microsoft Dynamics

So he's an ignorant troll.

 

[Gordon]

"Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
> IMHO Linux has still got a very long way to go before it could be
> considered a serious replacement for windows, or be as easy to use and
> install.

Hmm. I don't know what distros you've used - Ubuntu takes about 30 minutes
to install EVERYTHING, including Open Office.

XP took 45 minutes JUST TO INSTALL THE OS.

 

[Gordon]

"Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> 3. The point I was trying to make is that Linux generally is difficult for
> an average/uninformed PC user to get to grips with, because it is quite
> complex and if you don't know what you are doing with computers there is
> no chance of getting it to work properly.

RUBBISH. ABSOLUTE TRIPE.
Unless you have very esoteric hardware most modern distros just WORK.
You don't NEED to fiddle around.

>
> 5. I have to admit that the likes of Open office is quite good for basic
> WP and number crunching.

Used OO recently? It's certainly as good as Office 2003....so not just for
"basic WP and number crunching"...

 

[ray]

On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:51:59 +0000, Robert Brereton wrote:

> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur
> OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It will never
> go further until it is at least as easy to install and have as many
> useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as it is too
> complex for an average user.
>
> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
> machine, nothing more.
>
> Bob

Couple of problems with your analysis - Linux is EASIER to install than
MS. And it comes with a great many more applications - included for free.

Only way you could claim it "too complex for an average user" is if
you've never used it. We installed Linux on all but one of the public
access computers at the local library a few years ago. No instruction,
and no one has had any difficulty using it - zero complaints. And a
'customer satisfaction survey' some time ago indicated a fair number who
were not even aware they weren't using MS.

 

[Gordon]

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
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>> an amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.

> Couple of problems with your analysis -

And I'm STILL awaiting a response to my reply telling him that Oracle, SAP
and J D Edwards, the three top CRM/ERM systems in the world, all run on
Linux, and asking him what in his opinion IS a "mainstream business system"
if those three aren't.
Of course he won't.....

 

[Frank]

On 3/4/2010 8:09 AM, ray wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:51:59 +0000, Robert Brereton wrote:
>
>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
>> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur
>> OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It will never
>> go further until it is at least as easy to install and have as many
>> useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as it is too
>> complex for an average user.
>>
>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>> machine, nothing more.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Couple of problems with your analysis - Linux is EASIER to install than
> MS.

Obviously you have not installed Windows 7.
Oops!

And it comes with a great many more applications - included for free.

"free" is the only thing linux has going for it and the only reason
jerks like you use it.
>
> Only way you could claim it "too complex for an average user" is if
> you've never used it.
We installed Linux on all but one of the public
> access computers at the local library a few years ago. No instruction,
> and no one has had any difficulty using it - zero complaints. And a
> 'customer satisfaction survey' some time ago indicated a fair number who
> were not even aware they weren't using MS.

WoW! How impressive!
Not!!!

 

[Frank]

On 3/4/2010 9:06 AM, Gordon wrote:
>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:7va4ahFe9sU9@mid.individual.net...
>
>>> an amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.
>
>> Couple of problems with your analysis -
>
> And I'm STILL awaiting a response to my reply telling him that Oracle,
> SAP and J D Edwards, the three top CRM/ERM systems in the world, all run
> on Linux,...

you mean linux servers right?

and asking him what in his opinion IS a "mainstream business
> system" if those three aren't.
> Of course he won't.....

What do they have running on their desktop/laptops?

 

[Robert Brereton]

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ETgjn.318030$8K4.33820@newsfe15.ams2...
>>>
>> IMHO Linux has still got a very long way to go before it could be
>> considered a serious replacement for windows, or be as easy to use and
>> install.
>
> Hmm. I don't know what distros you've used - Ubuntu takes about 30 minutes
> to install EVERYTHING, including Open Office.
>
> XP took 45 minutes JUST TO INSTALL THE OS.

All I can say is you must have a really poor PC as the last time I
reinstalled XP on a PC it took 20 Minutes tops! 15 minutes using ghost disk
image including office etc. Windows 7 took around the same time and that
was over XP. The last version of Ubuntu 8 I put on a PC took forever and I
gave up after an hour, and tried several other flavours instead. When I
finally got one to work I saw terrible graphics, it would not find the
wireless network, or load a fairly recent HP printer. The PC in question is
quite new with 2GB RAM and had been quite happily running networked XP. So
not impressed.

Bob

 

[Robert Brereton]

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:7va4ahFe9sU9@mid.individual.net...
>
>>> an amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.
>
>> Couple of problems with your analysis -
>
> And I'm STILL awaiting a response to my reply telling him that Oracle, SAP
> and J D Edwards, the three top CRM/ERM systems in the world, all run on
> Linux, and asking him what in his opinion IS a "mainstream business
> system" if those three aren't.
> Of course he won't.....

Oh yes I will! I am sorry I have not been able to respond to your other
messages - but some of us have to work for a living.

In the (real) world I live in, companies and Government organisations such
as the NHS have to communicate with each other to be able to do business.
If, for example, I sent a large Access database to a company using a linux
distro they would probably not be able to use it. This is why windows - a
mainstream OS, and other MS products are more widely used than Linux, See
the logic?

Please tell me how many large organisations use linux desktop OS for day to
day work and are able to swap files with others not using linux, and are
still in business. I admit I don't know much about Oracle, SAP and J D
Edwards, but know that Oracle acquired JDEdwards/Peoplesoft making it the
same company. However we are talking about desktop applications/OS's here.

Any way life is too short to keep responding to illogical trolls from
Lintards trying to Hijack a WINDOWS newsgroup, so after I see your response
you are getting blocked as all the laughing is beginning to hurt and is
stopping me doing any actual work

Bob

Bob

 

[ray]

On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:213 -0800, Frank wrote:

> On 3/4/2010 8:09 AM, ray wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:51:59 +0000, Robert Brereton wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
>>> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an
>>> amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It
>>> will never go further until it is at least as easy to install and have
>>> as many useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as
>>> it is too complex for an average user.
>>>
>>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>>> machine, nothing more.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> Couple of problems with your analysis - Linux is EASIER to install than
>> MS.
>
> Obviously you have not installed Windows 7. Oops!

Actually, I have. Obviously you have not installed Linux recently. OOOPS!!

>
> And it comes with a great many more applications - included for free.
>
> "free" is the only thing linux has going for it and the only reason
> jerks like you use it.
>>
>> Only way you could claim it "too complex for an average user" is if
>> you've never used it.
> We installed Linux on all but one of the public
>> access computers at the local library a few years ago. No instruction,
>> and no one has had any difficulty using it - zero complaints. And a
>> 'customer satisfaction survey' some time ago indicated a fair number
>> who were not even aware they weren't using MS.
>
> WoW! How impressive!
> Not!!!

 

[Alias]

Robert Brereton wrote:
>
>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hmo98t$6vf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ETgjn.318030$8K4.33820@newsfe15.ams2...
>>>>
>>> IMHO Linux has still got a very long way to go before it could be
>>> considered a serious replacement for windows, or be as easy to use
>>> and install.
>>
>> Hmm. I don't know what distros you've used - Ubuntu takes about 30
>> minutes to install EVERYTHING, including Open Office.
>>
>> XP took 45 minutes JUST TO INSTALL THE OS.
>
> All I can say is you must have a really poor PC as the last time I
> reinstalled XP on a PC it took 20 Minutes tops! 15 minutes using ghost
> disk image including office etc. Windows 7 took around the same time
> and that was over XP. The last version of Ubuntu 8 I put on a PC took
> forever and I gave up after an hour, and tried several other flavours
> instead. When I finally got one to work I saw terrible graphics, it
> would not find the wireless network, or load a fairly recent HP printer.
> The PC in question is quite new with 2GB RAM and had been quite happily
> running networked XP. So not impressed.
>
> Bob

I have installed every Ubuntu distro since Dapper on an AMD XP 2200+
with one gig of 266 DDR RAM with an nVidia 6200 with 256 MB and got
everything, including updates, programs and tweaking done in less than
an hour each time. Care to tell us *how* you installed Ubuntu and do you
know what Compiz is?

--
Alias

 

[Gordon]

"Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I admit I don't know much about Oracle, SAP and J D Edwards, but know
> that Oracle acquired JDEdwards/Peoplesoft making it the same company.
> However we are talking about desktop applications/OS's here.
>


Yes but YOU said "Linux is a toy OS and is incompatible with mainstream
business systems". Oracle, J D Edwards and SAP ARE mainstream business
applications - in fact they are the three TOP "mainstream business
applications" and they run on LINUX! Desktops that is. (As well as Windows,
Unix, AIX and Mac). So your assertion that "Linux is not compatible with
mainstream business applications" is demonstrably untrue.

 

[Frank]

On 3/4/2010 10:02 AM, ray wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:213 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>> On 3/4/2010 8:09 AM, ray wrote:
>>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:51:59 +0000, Robert Brereton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
>>>> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an
>>>> amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It
>>>> will never go further until it is at least as easy to install and have
>>>> as many useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as
>>>> it is too complex for an average user.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>>>> machine, nothing more.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Couple of problems with your analysis - Linux is EASIER to install than
>>> MS.
>>
>> Obviously you have not installed Windows 7. Oops!
>
> Actually, I have.

Then that makes you a LIAR and your statement untrue.
Oops!

Obviously you have not installed Linux recently. OOOPS!!

"Recently"?...within the last 10-12 months, but NEVER AGAIN...EVER!!!
>
>>
>> And it comes with a great many more applications - included for free.
>>
>> "free" is the only thing linux has going for it and the only reason
>> jerks like you use it.
>>>
>>> Only way you could claim it "too complex for an average user" is if
>>> you've never used it.
>> We installed Linux on all but one of the public
>>> access computers at the local library a few years ago. No instruction,
>>> and no one has had any difficulty using it - zero complaints. And a
>>> 'customer satisfaction survey' some time ago indicated a fair number
>>> who were not even aware they weren't using MS.
>>
>> WoW! How impressive!
>> Not!!!
>

 

[Camper]

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:7va4ahFe9sU9@mid.individual.net...
>
>>> an amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.
>
>> Couple of problems with your analysis -
>
> And I'm STILL awaiting a response to my reply telling him that Oracle, SAP
> and J D Edwards, the three top CRM/ERM systems in the world, all run on
> Linux, and asking him what in his opinion IS a "mainstream business
> system" if those three aren't.
> Of course he won't.....


Why should you expect a reply if you didn't ask a question?

Camper

 

[Robert Brereton]

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
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> Robert Brereton wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hmo98t$6vf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:ETgjn.318030$8K4.33820@newsfe15.ams2...
>>>>>
>>>> IMHO Linux has still got a very long way to go before it could be
>>>> considered a serious replacement for windows, or be as easy to use and
>>>> install.
>>>
>>> Hmm. I don't know what distros you've used - Ubuntu takes about 30
>>> minutes to install EVERYTHING, including Open Office.
>>>
>>> XP took 45 minutes JUST TO INSTALL THE OS.
>>
>> All I can say is you must have a really poor PC as the last time I
>> reinstalled XP on a PC it took 20 Minutes tops! 15 minutes using ghost
>> disk image including office etc. Windows 7 took around the same time and
>> that was over XP. The last version of Ubuntu 8 I put on a PC took
>> forever and I gave up after an hour, and tried several other flavours
>> instead. When I finally got one to work I saw terrible graphics, it
>> would not find the wireless network, or load a fairly recent HP printer.
>> The PC in question is quite new with 2GB RAM and had been quite happily
>> running networked XP. So not impressed.
>>
>> Bob
>
> I have installed every Ubuntu distro since Dapper on an AMD XP 2200+ with
> one gig of 266 DDR RAM with an nVidia 6200 with 256 MB and got everything,
> including updates, programs and tweaking done in less than an hour each
> time. Care to tell us *how* you installed Ubuntu and do you know what
> Compiz is?
>
> --
> Alias

Yes I know what Compiz is - another piece of software to install just to
get the os working correctly. I thought Ubuntu installed easier than
windows - your quote I put the cd in the drive and tried all the
options given, none worked. Just tonight I gave it another shot on a spare
laptop with the same result, so its a non starter as far as I am concerned.
Now be a good boy and leave this windows newsgroup to the grown ups and I
would suggest you take a look at the ubuntu forums and see the poor level of
support there. Maybe they could use your expertise, or maybe they will see
through you.