Frank's Ill Informed Quote of the Day

[Frank]

more lies from alias...

On 3/2/2010 7:53 AM, Alias wrote:
> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> news:7v2umbF3p4U3@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:10:23 -0500, Spring Sprung wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bull. Windows comes in many versions, including Standard, Web,
>>>> Enterprise, Data Center, Storage Server, Home Server, "headless"
>>>> installs, Starter & Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate, 2003,
>>>> 2003 R2, 2008, 2008 R2, XP - Vista - 7, x86 / x64 / Itanium and WCE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Now who's confusing the user with too many variations?
>>>
>> How about the hundreds of distros available in the Unix flavor? That's
>> confusing by far. Also, Ubuntu releases a bug ridden patch every six
>> months and gives is some stupid idiotic name. No wonder they can't
>> give Ubuntu away! LOL!
>>
>>
>
> 13 million users say you're full of shit and so do I.
>
Actually the number is a lot closer to 3 mil...cause they count all of
the distros all of them have tried.
Oops!...LOL!

 

[Frank]

On 3/2/2010 8:07 AM, ray wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 076:02 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>
>> "ray"<ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> news:7v2umbF3p4U3@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:10:23 -0500, Spring Sprung wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bull. Windows comes in many versions, including Standard, Web,
>>>> Enterprise, Data Center, Storage Server, Home Server, "headless"
>>>> installs, Starter& Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate, 2003,
>>>> 2003 R2, 2008, 2008 R2, XP - Vista - 7, x86 / x64 / Itanium and WCE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Now who's confusing the user with too many variations?
>>>
>> How about the hundreds of distros available in the Unix flavor? That's
>> confusing by far. Also, Ubuntu releases a bug ridden patch every six
>> months and gives is some stupid idiotic name. No wonder they can't give
>> Ubuntu away! LOL!
>
> I don't see that it's much worse than sorting through the dozens of MS
> versions listed above. So what if there are 300 active Linux
> distributions? It's not necessary to try them all. A visit to the
> distrowatch.com home page will show 'hit page' rankings. So, close your
> eyes and pick one of the top 10 or so - it will work.

..."dozens"? Math problems along with lying?
Good combo ray the snake.

 

[Spring Sprung]

I wasn't discussing "confusion", I was simply and easily refuting your "one
size fits .." comment.



"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:7v2umbF3p4U3@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:10:23 -0500, Spring Sprung wrote:
>
>> Bull. Windows comes in many versions, including Standard, Web,
>> Enterprise, Data Center, Storage Server, Home Server, "headless"
>> installs, Starter & Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate, 2003,
>> 2003 R2, 2008, 2008 R2, XP - Vista - 7, x86 / x64 / Itanium and WCE.
>>
>>
>
> Now who's confusing the user with too many variations?
>
>>
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> news:7v29t7F3p4U2@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:22:11 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7v25mbF3p4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 1640 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The world runs on Windows".
>>>>>
>>>>> Might be more accurate to say "the world limps along mostly on
>>>>> windows" - but a lot of the important work is indeed done with *nix.
>>>>
>>>> It might be more accurate to say that Ubuntu is FREE and has been FREE
>>>> for years, yet most reject Ubuntu as garbage. Imagine a free OS that
>>>> nobody wants. That should tell you everything you need to know about
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Live with it.
>>>
>>> I didn't mention Ubuntu. Personally, I think there are better Linux
>>> distributions - at least for many applications. One of the benefits of
>>> *nix is choice - you can easily select the proper tool for the job
>>> rather than be stuck with "one size fits none" as with MS.
>

 

[Bill Yanaire, ESQ]

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hmjc8t$knd$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> news:7v2uu0F3p4U5@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:11:58 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hmgs0b$top$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:22:11 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:7v25mbF3p4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 1640 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The world runs on Windows".
>>>>>>>> Might be more accurate to say "the world limps along mostly on
>>>>>>>> windows" - but a lot of the important work is indeed done with
>>>>>>>> *nix.
>>>>>>> It might be more accurate to say that Ubuntu is FREE and has been
>>>>>>> FREE for years, yet most reject Ubuntu as garbage. Imagine a free
>>>>>>> OS
>>>>>>> that nobody wants. That should tell you everything you need to know
>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Live with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't mention Ubuntu. Personally, I think there are better Linux
>>>>>> distributions - at least for many applications. One of the benefits
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> *nix is choice - you can easily select the proper tool for the job
>>>>>> rather than be stuck with "one size fits none" as with MS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which one do you prefer?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter. They are all free and they are all junk.
>>>
>>> I noted the superiority of MS today. Went in for a medical procedure. I
>>> asked if they were able to get my medical records from another doctor in
>>> a different city. They told me the computers had been down for three
>>> days. I overheard the tech speaking about a 'windows update'.
>>
>> Don't think their computer would be down because of a windows update.
>> Just think, if they were using Open Sores software and that crappy
>> Ubuntu, they would be saying, "I can't get records from anywhere. Our
>> system won't talk with their system".
>
> You obviously don't know much about Linux if you think that could happen.
>
>>
>> At least with Windows, everyone is on the same page!!
>>
>>
>
> You're not even in the book, much less on the page. XP just had an update
> that clashed with malware and made XP reboot forever. Where have you been,
> inside Frank's ass?
>
> --
> Alias

That is your first problem. Get the malware off your PC and you shouldn't
have a problem. Typical idiot like yourself doesn't update the antivirus
definitions. You deserve Ubuntu. Worth what you pay for it: NOTHING.

Just think, in 20 years, Ubuntu might have another 17 users.

 

[Alias]

Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hmjc8t$knd$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7v2uu0F3p4U5@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:11:58 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hmgs0b$top$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:22:11 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:7v25mbF3p4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 1640 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The world runs on Windows".
>>>>>>>>> Might be more accurate to say "the world limps along mostly on
>>>>>>>>> windows" - but a lot of the important work is indeed done with
>>>>>>>>> *nix.
>>>>>>>> It might be more accurate to say that Ubuntu is FREE and has been
>>>>>>>> FREE for years, yet most reject Ubuntu as garbage. Imagine a
>>>>>>>> free OS
>>>>>>>> that nobody wants. That should tell you everything you need to
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Live with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't mention Ubuntu. Personally, I think there are better Linux
>>>>>>> distributions - at least for many applications. One of the
>>>>>>> benefits of
>>>>>>> *nix is choice - you can easily select the proper tool for the job
>>>>>>> rather than be stuck with "one size fits none" as with MS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which one do you prefer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't matter. They are all free and they are all junk.
>>>>
>>>> I noted the superiority of MS today. Went in for a medical procedure. I
>>>> asked if they were able to get my medical records from another
>>>> doctor in
>>>> a different city. They told me the computers had been down for three
>>>> days. I overheard the tech speaking about a 'windows update'.
>>>
>>> Don't think their computer would be down because of a windows update.
>>> Just think, if they were using Open Sores software and that crappy
>>> Ubuntu, they would be saying, "I can't get records from anywhere.
>>> Our system won't talk with their system".
>>
>> You obviously don't know much about Linux if you think that could happen.
>>
>>>
>>> At least with Windows, everyone is on the same page!!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You're not even in the book, much less on the page. XP just had an
>> update that clashed with malware and made XP reboot forever. Where
>> have you been, inside Frank's ass?
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> That is your first problem. Get the malware off your PC and you
> shouldn't have a problem. Typical idiot like yourself doesn't update
> the antivirus definitions.

LOL! My XP installs are updated and run smooth as silk. How did you come
to this stupid conclusion?

> You deserve Ubuntu.

You deserve Frank's dick and you got it.

> Worth what you pay for
> it: NOTHING.
>
> Just think, in 20 years, Ubuntu might have another 17 users.

Just think, when you're reborn as a cockroach you won't be able to lie
any more.

--
Alias

 

[Frank]

On 3/2/2010 100 AM, Alias wrote:
> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hmjc8t$knd$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7v2uu0F3p4U5@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:11:58 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hmgs0b$top$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:22:11 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:7v25mbF3p4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 1640 +0100, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The world runs on Windows".
>>>>>>>>>> Might be more accurate to say "the world limps along mostly on
>>>>>>>>>> windows" - but a lot of the important work is indeed done with
>>>>>>>>>> *nix.
>>>>>>>>> It might be more accurate to say that Ubuntu is FREE and has been
>>>>>>>>> FREE for years, yet most reject Ubuntu as garbage. Imagine a
>>>>>>>>> free OS
>>>>>>>>> that nobody wants. That should tell you everything you need to
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Live with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't mention Ubuntu. Personally, I think there are better Linux
>>>>>>>> distributions - at least for many applications. One of the
>>>>>>>> benefits of
>>>>>>>> *nix is choice - you can easily select the proper tool for the job
>>>>>>>> rather than be stuck with "one size fits none" as with MS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which one do you prefer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't matter. They are all free and they are all junk.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noted the superiority of MS today. Went in for a medical
>>>>> procedure. I
>>>>> asked if they were able to get my medical records from another
>>>>> doctor in
>>>>> a different city. They told me the computers had been down for three
>>>>> days. I overheard the tech speaking about a 'windows update'.
>>>>
>>>> Don't think their computer would be down because of a windows
>>>> update. Just think, if they were using Open Sores software and that
>>>> crappy Ubuntu, they would be saying, "I can't get records from
>>>> anywhere. Our system won't talk with their system".
>>>
>>> You obviously don't know much about Linux if you think that could
>>> happen.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At least with Windows, everyone is on the same page!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're not even in the book, much less on the page. XP just had an
>>> update that clashed with malware and made XP reboot forever. Where
>>> have you been, inside Frank's ass?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> That is your first problem. Get the malware off your PC and you
>> shouldn't have a problem. Typical idiot like yourself doesn't update
>> the antivirus definitions.
>
> LOL! My XP installs are updated and run smooth as silk. How did you come
> to this stupid conclusion?
>
>> You deserve Ubuntu.
>
> You deserve Frank's dick and you got it.
>
>> Worth what you pay for it: NOTHING.
>>
>> Just think, in 20 years, Ubuntu might have another 17 users.
>
> Just think, when you're reborn as a cockroach you won't be able to lie
> any more.
>
hehehe...GD! Do we have your goat or what?...LOL!
Oh, butt you still have babba, your male sheep livers dick to suck right?
Oops!

 

[Robert Brereton]

The biggest problem I have found with Linux distros is that they are
completely unsuitable for the WORK I need to do on a PC and the thing that
puts a lot of potential users off, is the ever so superior, and patronising
attitude of so called Linux experts.

IMHO Linux has still got a very long way to go before it could be
considered a serious replacement for windows, or be as easy to use and
install.

I also like windows 7 which works extremely well on this quad core PC and
also on a Pentium 4 3.0ghz pc. The only PC I could not get windows 7 to
work on was an old Celeron laptop with 512 Mb RAM, and before the Linux
brigade chime in it wouldn't run ubuntu either! Or rather it would but it
was as slow as a very slow thing and would not find a network or a printer.
With windows 7 I did not have to install many drivers, the only exception
being a new scanner, produced after the release date.

Bob

 

[ray]

The biggest problem I have found with MS distros is that they are
completely unsuitable for the WORK I need to do on a PC and the thing
that
puts a lot of potential users off, is the ever so superior, and
patronising
attitude of so called Windows experts.

IMHO MS has still got a very long way to go before it could be
considered a serious replacement for *nix, or be as easy to use and
install.

I also like Debian which works extremely well on this quad core PC and
also on a Pentium 4 3.0ghz pc. I have yet to see a PC I can't get Debian
to run on - although many won't run Win7.

With Linux I did not have to install any drivers - everything worked 'out
of the box'.

Ray

 

[Frank]

On 3/2/2010 5:13 PM, ray wrote:
>
> The biggest problem I have found with MS distros is that they are
> completely unsuitable for the WORK I need to do on a PC and the thing
> that
> puts a lot of potential users off, is the ever so superior, and
> patronising
> attitude of so called Windows experts.
>
> IMHO MS has still got a very long way to go before it could be
> considered a serious replacement for *nix, or be as easy to use and
> install.
>
> I also like Debian which works extremely well on this quad core PC and
> also on a Pentium 4 3.0ghz pc. I have yet to see a PC I can't get Debian
> to run on - although many won't run Win7.
>
> With Linux I did not have to install any drivers - everything worked 'out
> of the box'.
>
> Ray
>
*BULLSHIT*!!!

 

[ray]

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:54:50 -0800, Frank wrote:

> On 3/2/2010 5:13 PM, ray wrote:
>>
>> The biggest problem I have found with MS distros is that they are
>> completely unsuitable for the WORK I need to do on a PC and the thing
>> that
>> puts a lot of potential users off, is the ever so superior, and
>> patronising
>> attitude of so called Windows experts.
>>
>> IMHO MS has still got a very long way to go before it could be
>> considered a serious replacement for *nix, or be as easy to use and
>> install.
>>
>> I also like Debian which works extremely well on this quad core PC and
>> also on a Pentium 4 3.0ghz pc. I have yet to see a PC I can't get
>> Debian to run on - although many won't run Win7.
>>
>> With Linux I did not have to install any drivers - everything worked
>> 'out of the box'.
>>
>> Ray
>>
> *BULLSHIT*!!!

Yes, frankie - you are.

 

[Frank]

On 3/2/2010 8:12 PM, ray wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:54:50 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>> On 3/2/2010 5:13 PM, ray wrote:
>>>
>>> The biggest problem I have found with MS distros is that they are
>>> completely unsuitable for the WORK I need to do on a PC and the thing
>>> that
>>> puts a lot of potential users off, is the ever so superior, and
>>> patronising
>>> attitude of so called Windows experts.
>>>
>>> IMHO MS has still got a very long way to go before it could be
>>> considered a serious replacement for *nix, or be as easy to use and
>>> install.
>>>
>>> I also like Debian which works extremely well on this quad core PC and
>>> also on a Pentium 4 3.0ghz pc. I have yet to see a PC I can't get
>>> Debian to run on - although many won't run Win7.
>>>
>>> With Linux I did not have to install any drivers - everything worked
>>> 'out of the box'.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>> *BULLSHIT*!!!
>
> Yes, frankie - you are.

Sorry snake...err...ray...but I'm not the one spreading FUD (aka lies)
in here.
That FUD spreading bullshit lying snake would be you.
Oops!

 

[Robert Brereton]

This is exactly what I mean !

 

[ray]

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:05:52 +0000, Robert Brereton wrote:

> This is exactly what I mean !

Good thing you have frankie to talk for you!

 

[Robert Brereton]

Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken off
due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur OS that
is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It will never go further
until it is at least as easy to install and have as many useful apps as
windows. Non-techies will not understand it as it is too complex for an
average user.

IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical machine,
nothing more.

Bob

 

[Alias]

Robert Brereton wrote:
> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur
> OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It will never
> go further until it is at least as easy to install and have as many
> useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as it is too
> complex for an average user.
>
> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
> machine, nothing more.
>
> Bob

You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. Ubuntu is
more user friendly than Windows of any flavor and /much/ easier to
install. Ill informed people (or liars) like you who believe the FUD is
why Linux hasn't spread as quickly as it should.

--
Alias

 

[Frank]

alias the sheep-fucker is caught lying...again!...LOL!...Oops!

On 3/3/2010 6:21 PM, Alias wrote:
> Robert Brereton wrote:
>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
>> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an
>> amateur OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It
>> will never go further until it is at least as easy to install and have
>> as many useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as
>> it is too complex for an average user.
>>
>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>> machine, nothing more.
>>
>> Bob
>
> You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

Hey you lying BASTARD...try taking your won advice, you fucking creep!

Ubuntu is
> more user friendly than Windows of any flavor and /much/ easier to
> install.

More of your GD lies? WTF is wrong with you? Are the idiot moron you
seem to be? No one is that dense!
I bet you didn't known, that when you close your eyes, everyone can
still see you.
You didn't did you? OMG!!!...LOL!

Ill informed people (or liars) like you who believe the FUD is
> why Linux hasn't spread as quickly as it should.

You have got to be the biggest blow [sic] to linux since LT reversed
engineered it!
Oops!
>

 

[Gordon]

"Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:RuDjn.124089$Np2.69908@newsfe24.ams2...
> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken off
> due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur OS
> that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.

So you think that Oracle is NOT a "mainstream business system"?

http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/index.html

So you think that SAP is NOT a "main stream business system"?

http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/linux

Then I wish you would tell us what you DO think is a "main stream business
system" - or are perhaps you only thinking of stuff the corner shop runs?

 

[Gordon]

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hmn5fc$3sh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Robert Brereton wrote:
>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
>> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur
>> OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It will never
>> go further until it is at least as easy to install and have as many
>> useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as it is too
>> complex for an average user.
>>
>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>> machine, nothing more.
>>
>> Bob
>
> You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

Blueyonder. Say no more.

 

[Gordon]

"Robert Brereton" <robert.brereton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:RuDjn.124089$Np2.69908@newsfe24.ams2...
> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken off
> due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur OS
> that is incompatible with mainstream business systems.

And here you have J D Edwards on Linux as well.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-935840.html

That's ALL THREE of the largest global CRM/ERM systems running on Linux.

NOW will you tell us what YOU think is a "main-stream business system"?


I suggest you CHECK YOUR FACTS before putting your foot in your mouth and
shooting it.

MORON.

 

[Robert Brereton]

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hmnrhj$31u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hmn5fc$3sh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Robert Brereton wrote:
>>> Sorry Ray, but you are one of the the reasons that Linux has not taken
>>> off due to all the crap and childish insults you spout about an amateur
>>> OS that is incompatible with mainstream business systems. It will never
>>> go further until it is at least as easy to install and have as many
>>> useful apps as windows. Non-techies will not understand it as it is too
>>> complex for an average user.
>>>
>>> IMHO it is an interesting diversion to play with on a non critical
>>> machine, nothing more.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
>
> Blueyonder. Say no more.

Your point being?

It is obvious that an adult discussion cannot take place in this WINDOWS 7
newsgroup due to the number of silly school kids that post on it. it must
be past your bedtime children. Goodnight.