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[Alias]

On 05/15/2010 04:50 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
> On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:47:21 +0200, Alias
> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>
>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 124:58 +0200, Alias
>>> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 15:07:43 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/13/2010 14:48, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Nor do I. I use both Windows and Linux.
>>>>>> Do you have anything to say about the other things I said? You quoted
>>>>>> everything in my post.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah Jackie, you are learning about Alias. He posts some unsupported
>>>>> slander about Windows and when someone rebuts his post complete with
>>>>> quotes and references to demonstrate validity he replies with
>>>>> irrelevancies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that Alias seems to know very little about computers, witness
>>>>> his assertion that the Windows kernel is the Registry and that a
>>>>> certain compilation of Linux is a version based on the desktop
>>>>> environment, it seems likely that he is one of these "instant
>>>>> experts", that finally learned enough to turn the computer on and off
>>>>> and now portrays himself as the all knowing pundit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, I have *never* claimed to be a computer expert.
>>>
>>>
>>> You really, really, need to take some remedial reading classes as you
>>> are either unable to understand simple English, or perhaps you don't
>>> want to believe that you are wrong, yet again..
>>>
>>> In any event, the term I used in reference to you was "instant
>>> expert", used as a form of ridicule for those who, with little or no
>>> knowledge, run about telling everyone how to do their job. Or in your
>>> case what the best computer system is.
>>>
>>> The Indians had a folk story about a rat that found a lump of turmeric
>>> and started a provisions shop.
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>> Triple yawn.
>
> I didn't think that you'd "get it".
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

Oh, I got it. It's just boring to see you flailing around trying paint
yourself as Mr Perfect Computer Expert and and hurling ad hominem
attacks at me. Do you get that?

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

On 05/15/2010 05:47 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
> On Fri, 14 May 2010 09:11:08 -0700, "Heywood Jablowme"
> <heywood@jablowme.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Alias"<aka@masked&anonymous.com.¡nvalido> wrote in message
>> news:hsjodi$p72$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 05/14/2010 02:55 PM, Man-wai Chang to The Door (33600bps) wrote:
>>>>>> And running softwares developped [sic] for Windows.
>>>>> Yeah, like malware.
>>>>
>>>> No.. DirectX 3D games and HDTV viewer!
>>>>
>>>
>>> So what?
>>>
>>
>> Shouldn't you go to the Ubuntu forums and help out those sorry sacks who
>> believe they have a decent OS when in reality they have SHIT?
>>
>
> No he shouldn't!

I've been there since 2006. Oops.

> If he logs onto alt.os.linux.ubuntu and starts his normal stupid
> remarks there are several people over there that will eat his lunch.

Hasn't happened in four years. Oops.

>
> Strangely, as it IS a Ubuntu group, stupid people aren't welcome!
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

Then you better not go there.

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Alias

 

[Death]

"Alias" <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote in message
news:hsm08d$lkp$4@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 05/15/2010 04:53 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

SNIP

>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> You can't reply to me without stating you are perfect and I am imperfect,
> can you? You, sir, are a BORE and a very amateurish debater.
>

He ain't perfect.
Ask him what a sig delimiter is.
Getting tired of seeing that sig in every fuckin response.

 

[Alias]

On 05/15/2010 01:28 PM, Death wrote:
>
> "Alias" <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote in message
> news:hsm08d$lkp$4@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 05/15/2010 04:53 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>> You can't reply to me without stating you are perfect and I am
>> imperfect, can you? You, sir, are a BORE and a very amateurish debater.
>>
>
> He ain't perfect.

I didn't say he was, far from it.

> Ask him what a sig delimiter is.
> Getting tired of seeing that sig in every fuckin response.

So you tell him. I don't care.
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Alias

 

[Death]

"Alias" <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote in message
news:hsm0o4$lkp$9@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 05/15/2010 01:28 PM, Death wrote:
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote in message
>> news:hsm08d$lkp$4@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 05/15/2010 04:53 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>
>> SNIP
>>
>>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>
>>> You can't reply to me without stating you are perfect and I am
>>> imperfect, can you? You, sir, are a BORE and a very amateurish debater.
>>>
>>
>> He ain't perfect.
>
> I didn't say he was, far from it.
>
>> Ask him what a sig delimiter is.
>> Getting tired of seeing that sig in every fuckin response.
>
> So you tell him. I don't care.

I'm not telling him...you tell him...he's your stalker.

 

[DanS]

> You allege that Windows is more susceptible to malware then
> Linux but other then your say so why should we believe you?

Are you saying that Windows isn't more susceptible to
malware/virii ?

True, Widows security has been improved dramatically over the
latest two Windows OSs, but there are still a couple hundred
thousand expolits waiting to infect any Windows box they can.

I came across a website just the other day as I was using Linux
that popped up the 'Infection Detected' window and tried to tell
me my Linux box was infected with Windows virii. For the life of
me, I can't remember what I was searching for, but I got to this
page from a Google search hit.

So I just close all FF Windows, restart FF, and then do my
Google search again and avoid the link I clicked on.

If I was using Windows, I would have needed to kill the FF
process, restart in safe mode, and then run Malewarebytes/Spybot
scans, as well as an AV scan, and check over some registry
settings and startup programs.

I just think you picked the wrong subject to try to make your
point, as we all know, Malware/Spyware, and either through
automatic infection, or by some socially engineered infection
method, **is written for the Windows OS**, so by that token
alone I would think that it proves Windows *is* much much more
susceptible than Linux.

 

[John B. Slocomb]

On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
<aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:

>On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>
>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>
>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>
>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>
>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>
>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>> sent back.
>>
>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>
>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>> contracted to do.
>>
>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>
>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
>You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.

I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
- dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.

This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
earth shaking protection.

Results - no virus.

Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.

My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
downloading a lot of porn and warz.

John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

 

[John B. Slocomb]

On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:22:02 +0200, Alias
<aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:

>On 05/15/2010 04:49 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:45:42 +0200, Alias
>> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>
>>> Jackie wrote:
>>>> On 5/14/2010 13:13, Alias wrote:
>>>>> If I have to prove that Windows is vulnerable to malware and Linux is
>>>>> much more secure to you guys, then doing so is a futile endeavor and I'm
>>>>> not into futile endeavors.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is a very general statement compared to ones you have previously
>>>> given. For example, you gave a statements such as "If you click on an ad
>>>> laced with malware, you're giving it permission to run" and "there is
>>>> malware that has developed the ability to fool ALL anti virus/malware
>>>> apps and UAC". If you didn't see my response to this, please do that.
>>>>
>>>> Now, to answer your general statement...
>>>> For malicious apps to cause any damage to the system, it must be
>>>> elevated. I have already responded about the link you gave about
>>>> bypassing AV software
>>>> (http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/New-attack-bypasses-anti-virus-software-997621.html).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In pre-release versions of Windows 7, it was possible for a malicious
>>>> application to take advantage of the automatic elevation option in
>>>> Windows 7. I do not know if this was fixed in the final version.
>>>> http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/0...n-mistake-lets-malware-elevate-freely-easily/
>>>>
>>>> This feature is not present in Ubuntu, and you *can* turn it off in
>>>> Windows 7. That means it can no longer be taken advantage of.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, a malicious app could mess up your personal files that you
>>>> always have full access to, but that applies for Linux as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu has AppArmor installed by default. This is a an access control
>>>> system developed by Novell.
>>>> You can read more about it here:
>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, Windows does not have that installed by default, but you
>>>> can get similar solutions. I said earlier that I used Outpost Firewall
>>>> Pro 2009 that has a "Host protection" feature that provides a pretty
>>>> good amount of access control (like I mentioned in an earlier post). I
>>>> also use Sandboxie to run certain applications with limited resources.
>>>> http://www.sandboxie.com/
>>>>
>>>> Such solutions giving such great amount of control are not already
>>>> pre-installed and/or very well integrated with Windows.
>>>> Considering that a similar solution is pre-installed in Ubuntu and does
>>>> not cost anything, I would say that it is indeed unfortunate for Windows.
>>>
>>> Most people who use Windows don't update hardly anything. Techies can
>>> secure a Windows install but, like you said, with Ubuntu, it's installed
>>> securely by default.
>>
>> Alias, Alias, you are letting your ignorance show... yet again.
>>
>> Certainly you must know that configuring SELinux (you do know what
>> SELinux is?) is one of the most common hacks in Linux. "If you have
>> I/O problems just re-configure it to "disabled" and you're right,
>> mate."
>>
>> Of course, the Newbees have problems and have to ask for advise, so it
>> is pretty obvious to anyone who does a bit of reading that many Linux
>> systems are wide open.
>>
>> In addition, the possibility of acquiring mal-ware depends greatly on
>> how one uses the computer. I'm sure that you have discovered that
>> those who spend their time downloading warz and porn are very
>> susceptible to the problem while I can assure you that using the
>> computer in a more mature manner results in little or no mal-ware
>> being received.
>>
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
>I guess you've never heard of drive by malware and you are assuming that
>all Linux users are ignorant and all Windows users know what they're
>doing. You're wrong.


As I have told you, you really, really, need a course in English
comprehensive. I never said or implied that all Linux users are
ignorant or that windows users know what they are doing. although it
is quite plain to anyone that can read that the Linux Newbees are the
prime users of Ubuntu. Or, at least the problems that they seem to
post, looking for help, are generally not the sort that system
managers usually need help with.

Is the wacky backy that you smoke or a poor education that leads you
to misunderstand the posts?

John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

 

[John B. Slocomb]

On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:23:57 +0200, Alias
<aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:

>On 05/15/2010 04:53 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:46:50 +0200, Alias
>> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>
>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 126:07 +0200, Alias
>>>> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jackie wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 03:06, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>> Ah Jackie, you are learning about Alias. He posts some unsupported
>>>>>>> slander about Windows and when someone rebuts his post complete with
>>>>>>> quotes and references to demonstrate validity he replies with
>>>>>>> irrelevancies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be nice if he could actually try to back anything he says up
>>>>>> even he doesn't have any reliable references, because it really is like
>>>>>> you say. Technical details would be good so that we can see if it even
>>>>>> sounds logical or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OR, you could do your own research and see if what I am saying is true.
>>>>> What is it about you Windows users that makes you think everyone has to
>>>>> prove to you what they say is true?
>>>>
>>>> I suppose because most of us prefer not to be lied to. If you
>>>> don't/can't prove it how do we know that you aren't deliberately
>>>> lying? And after you display your ignorance of computers a few times
>>>> it is very difficult to accept that you know anything at all. Another
>>>> reason is because many people are naturally polite and dislike saying
>>>> "You are a liar" so instead that say something like "can you prove
>>>> it?"
>>>>
>>>> And I don't believe that it is confined to Windows users, I doubt that
>>>> many actually like to be lied to.
>>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>
>>> Double yawn.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I'm sure that you are correct. Telling the truth is a boring
>> subject, isn't it? Certainly you appear to be much more inclined to
>> tell lies then tell the truth.
>>
>> Or is it simple ignorance that you suffer from?
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
>You can't reply to me without stating you are perfect and I am
>imperfect, can you? You, sir, are a BORE and a very amateurish debater.


You really are bad at the English language aren't you. I talk about
you telling lies and you say that I'm perfect?

Perhaps using your standards I am... I don't tell lies. Does that make
me a perfect person in your society?

John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

 

[Alias]

John B. Slocomb wrote:
> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>
>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>
>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>
>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>
>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>
>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>> sent back.
>>>
>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>
>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>> contracted to do.
>>>
>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>
>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>
> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>
> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
> earth shaking protection.
>
> Results - no virus.
>
> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>
> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
everything you have installed if you configure it properly. Once I had
to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.

Oh, and Warez went out of business almost a decade ago. The new sites
are www.PirateBay.org and www.Torrents.to. Where I live it is LEGAL to
download from those sites as long as you don't plan on selling what you
download. The so-called loss that the audio and video companies
supposedly suffer is made up by a charge on every single blank CD or DVD
that you buy. Quite sensible, really. I would never download software
from there because we are talking about millions of files. Audio and
video, OTOH, can be scanned before running and I've never had a problem.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

John B. Slocomb wrote:
> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:22:02 +0200, Alias
> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/15/2010 04:49 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:45:42 +0200, Alias
>>> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jackie wrote:
>>>>> On 5/14/2010 13:13, Alias wrote:
>>>>>> If I have to prove that Windows is vulnerable to malware and Linux is
>>>>>> much more secure to you guys, then doing so is a futile endeavor and I'm
>>>>>> not into futile endeavors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a very general statement compared to ones you have previously
>>>>> given. For example, you gave a statements such as "If you click on an ad
>>>>> laced with malware, you're giving it permission to run" and "there is
>>>>> malware that has developed the ability to fool ALL anti virus/malware
>>>>> apps and UAC". If you didn't see my response to this, please do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to answer your general statement...
>>>>> For malicious apps to cause any damage to the system, it must be
>>>>> elevated. I have already responded about the link you gave about
>>>>> bypassing AV software
>>>>> (http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/New-attack-bypasses-anti-virus-software-997621.html).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In pre-release versions of Windows 7, it was possible for a malicious
>>>>> application to take advantage of the automatic elevation option in
>>>>> Windows 7. I do not know if this was fixed in the final version.
>>>>> http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/0...n-mistake-lets-malware-elevate-freely-easily/
>>>>>
>>>>> This feature is not present in Ubuntu, and you *can* turn it off in
>>>>> Windows 7. That means it can no longer be taken advantage of.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, a malicious app could mess up your personal files that you
>>>>> always have full access to, but that applies for Linux as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu has AppArmor installed by default. This is a an access control
>>>>> system developed by Novell.
>>>>> You can read more about it here:
>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, Windows does not have that installed by default, but you
>>>>> can get similar solutions. I said earlier that I used Outpost Firewall
>>>>> Pro 2009 that has a "Host protection" feature that provides a pretty
>>>>> good amount of access control (like I mentioned in an earlier post). I
>>>>> also use Sandboxie to run certain applications with limited resources.
>>>>> http://www.sandboxie.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Such solutions giving such great amount of control are not already
>>>>> pre-installed and/or very well integrated with Windows.
>>>>> Considering that a similar solution is pre-installed in Ubuntu and does
>>>>> not cost anything, I would say that it is indeed unfortunate for Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Most people who use Windows don't update hardly anything. Techies can
>>>> secure a Windows install but, like you said, with Ubuntu, it's installed
>>>> securely by default.
>>>
>>> Alias, Alias, you are letting your ignorance show... yet again.
>>>
>>> Certainly you must know that configuring SELinux (you do know what
>>> SELinux is?) is one of the most common hacks in Linux. "If you have
>>> I/O problems just re-configure it to "disabled" and you're right,
>>> mate."
>>>
>>> Of course, the Newbees have problems and have to ask for advise, so it
>>> is pretty obvious to anyone who does a bit of reading that many Linux
>>> systems are wide open.
>>>
>>> In addition, the possibility of acquiring mal-ware depends greatly on
>>> how one uses the computer. I'm sure that you have discovered that
>>> those who spend their time downloading warz and porn are very
>>> susceptible to the problem while I can assure you that using the
>>> computer in a more mature manner results in little or no mal-ware
>>> being received.
>>>
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>> I guess you've never heard of drive by malware and you are assuming that
>> all Linux users are ignorant and all Windows users know what they're
>> doing. You're wrong.
>
>
> As I have told you, you really, really, need a course in English
> comprehensive. I never said or implied that all Linux users are
> ignorant or that windows users know what they are doing.

No, you implied it.

> although it
> is quite plain to anyone that can read that the Linux Newbees are the
> prime users of Ubuntu.

And Windows.

> Or, at least the problems that they seem to
> post, looking for help, are generally not the sort that system
> managers usually need help with.

People without problems, even newbies, don't post on the forums much so
what you're seeing is not a complete picture even though you represent
it as such.

>
> Is the wacky backy that you smoke or a poor education that leads you
> to misunderstand the posts?
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

I misunderstood nothing and your ad hominem attacks in a lame attempt to
make yourself look good and me look bad is getting very tiresome.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

John B. Slocomb wrote:
> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:23:57 +0200, Alias
> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/15/2010 04:53 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:46:50 +0200, Alias
>>> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 126:07 +0200, Alias
>>>>> <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 03:06, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ah Jackie, you are learning about Alias. He posts some unsupported
>>>>>>>> slander about Windows and when someone rebuts his post complete with
>>>>>>>> quotes and references to demonstrate validity he replies with
>>>>>>>> irrelevancies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be nice if he could actually try to back anything he says up
>>>>>>> even he doesn't have any reliable references, because it really is like
>>>>>>> you say. Technical details would be good so that we can see if it even
>>>>>>> sounds logical or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OR, you could do your own research and see if what I am saying is true.
>>>>>> What is it about you Windows users that makes you think everyone has to
>>>>>> prove to you what they say is true?
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose because most of us prefer not to be lied to. If you
>>>>> don't/can't prove it how do we know that you aren't deliberately
>>>>> lying? And after you display your ignorance of computers a few times
>>>>> it is very difficult to accept that you know anything at all. Another
>>>>> reason is because many people are naturally polite and dislike saying
>>>>> "You are a liar" so instead that say something like "can you prove
>>>>> it?"
>>>>>
>>>>> And I don't believe that it is confined to Windows users, I doubt that
>>>>> many actually like to be lied to.
>>>>>
>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>
>>>> Double yawn.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure that you are correct. Telling the truth is a boring
>>> subject, isn't it? Certainly you appear to be much more inclined to
>>> tell lies then tell the truth.
>>>
>>> Or is it simple ignorance that you suffer from?
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>> You can't reply to me without stating you are perfect and I am
>> imperfect, can you? You, sir, are a BORE and a very amateurish debater.
>
>
> You really are bad at the English language aren't you.

First lie.

< I talk about
> you telling lies and you say that I'm perfect?

Second lie.

>
> Perhaps using your standards I am... I don't tell lies.

Third lie.

> Does that make
> me a perfect person in your society?
>
> John B. Slocomb
> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

You're far from perfect. You rely on ad hominem attacks for your
"arguments". That's very amateurish.

--
Alias

 

[Death]

Alias wrote:

> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>
>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>
>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>
>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>> sent back.
>>>>
>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>
>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>
>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>
>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>
>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>
>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>
>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>> earth shaking protection.
>>
>> Results - no virus.
>>
>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>
>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>
>> John B. Slocomb
>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>
> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
> everything you have installed if you configure it properly.

Windows,java,Flash,whatever-your-heart-desires gets updated in Windows
automatically,dummy.
Do you actual run Windows, or do you just despise it?


> Once I had
> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>

You re-installed XP cause that is your skill level...stick a DVD/live-CD
in a tray, call it "support".


> Oh, and Warez went out of business almost a decade ago. The new sites
> are www.PirateBay.org and www.Torrents.to. Where I live it is LEGAL to
> download from those sites as long as you don't plan on selling what you
> download. The so-called loss that the audio and video companies
> supposedly suffer is made up by a charge on every single blank CD or DVD
> that you buy. Quite sensible, really. I would never download software
> from there because we are talking about millions of files. Audio and
> video, OTOH, can be scanned before running and I've never had a problem.
>

It's still all called "warez", dummy.
You and your pendantic ass.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Alias]

Death wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>
>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>
>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>
>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>>
>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>
>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>
>>> Results - no virus.
>>>
>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>
>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly.
>
> Windows,java,Flash,whatever-your-heart-desires gets updated in Windows
> automatically,dummy.
> Do you actual run Windows, or do you just despise it?
>
>
>> Once I had
>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>
>
> You re-installed XP cause that is your skill level...stick a DVD/live-CD
> in a tray, call it "support".
>
>
>> Oh, and Warez went out of business almost a decade ago. The new sites
>> are www.PirateBay.org and www.Torrents.to. Where I live it is LEGAL to
>> download from those sites as long as you don't plan on selling what you
>> download. The so-called loss that the audio and video companies
>> supposedly suffer is made up by a charge on every single blank CD or DVD
>> that you buy. Quite sensible, really. I would never download software
>> from there because we are talking about millions of files. Audio and
>> video, OTOH, can be scanned before running and I've never had a problem.
>>
>
> It's still all called "warez", dummy.

Only by dummies like you.

> You and your pendantic ass.
>

Warez was a specific group and they got busted. You probably also ask
for a "Xerox" copy when you should say photo copy.

--
Alias

 

[Alias]

Death wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>
>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>
>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>
>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>>
>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>
>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>
>>> Results - no virus.
>>>
>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>
>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>
>>> John B. Slocomb
>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>
>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly.
>
> Windows,java,Flash,whatever-your-heart-desires gets updated in Windows
> automatically,dummy.
> Do you actual run Windows, or do you just despise it?

You're wrong on all counts.

>
>
>> Once I had
>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>
>
> You re-installed XP cause that is your skill level...stick a DVD/live-CD
> in a tray, call it "support".

You obviously know nothing about cleaning up Windows machines.

--
Alias

 

[Death]

Alias wrote:

> Death wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>>>
>>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>>
>>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>>
>>>> Results - no virus.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>>
>>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>
>>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly.
>>
>> Windows,java,Flash,whatever-your-heart-desires gets updated in Windows
>> automatically,dummy.
>> Do you actual run Windows, or do you just despise it?
>>
>>
>>> Once I had
>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>
>>
>> You re-installed XP cause that is your skill level...stick a DVD/live-CD
>> in a tray, call it "support".
>>
>>
>>> Oh, and Warez went out of business almost a decade ago. The new sites
>>> are www.PirateBay.org and www.Torrents.to. Where I live it is LEGAL to
>>> download from those sites as long as you don't plan on selling what you
>>> download. The so-called loss that the audio and video companies
>>> supposedly suffer is made up by a charge on every single blank CD or DVD
>>> that you buy. Quite sensible, really. I would never download software
>>> from there because we are talking about millions of files. Audio and
>>> video, OTOH, can be scanned before running and I've never had a problem.
>>>
>>
>> It's still all called "warez", dummy.
>
> Only by dummies like you.
>

No, dummy.
It is common to call all such downloads "warez".
Stop Capitalizing it, dumbass...

>> You and your pendantic ass.
>>
>
> Warez was a specific group and they got busted. You probably also ask
> for a "Xerox" copy when you should say photo copy.
>

Because you are capitalizing it, dumbass.
I would ask for a xerox.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Alias]

Death wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Death wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:18:44 +0200, Alias
>>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/15/2010 05:40 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 18:53:28 +0200, Jackie<Jackie@an.on> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/14/2010 18:10, Heywood Jablowme wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who the hell wants to run Windows applications in Ubuntu and who the
>>>>>>>>> hell would want to run them under WHINE? If you need Microsoft
>>>>>>>>> applications, and most people want MS apps, then use Windows. No need to
>>>>>>>>> use that INFERIOR Ubuntu that nobody wants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu was written by geeks for geeks who can't get laid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having *options* is a very good thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It can be nice if you want to use Ubuntu and you actually have that
>>>>>>>> option to use them via an emulator (Wine, CXGames, Cedega).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having used Windows since Windows 95 up until present version and not
>>>>>>>> much Linux, I wouldn't exactly say that Ubuntu is bad. Overall, I
>>>>>>>> personally feel that Windows is more complete. But... Windows still
>>>>>>>> lacks essential features that Ubuntu has pre-installed. I, for one,
>>>>>>>> think that finding and installing applications and the best drivers
>>>>>>>> could (and should) be easier in Windows. There's a potential solution
>>>>>>>> for this if you could gather developers and their products into one
>>>>>>>> place. There were no good solution in Windows as early as in (most?)
>>>>>>>> Linux distros (and still not now). I believe that is why applications
>>>>>>>> for Windows are so spread without a good, easy, built-in way to find,
>>>>>>>> browse and install them from one single place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that one of the reasons for the "Oh! Linux can do anything
>>>>>>> that Windows can" fiction is that most of the people using either
>>>>>>> system aren't using it professionally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the major reasons is that the vast majority of the business
>>>>>>> world uses Windows and the associated applications. If you do a job
>>>>>>> for most companies you will run head on into the fact that your Linux
>>>>>>> system doesn't match their Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Almost every project I have been on used Auto-Cad and during
>>>>>>> construction of a project there are innumerable changes in the
>>>>>>> drawings. The normal practice is to e-mail complete drawings back and
>>>>>>> forth between the Engineering Office and the Field. Up-dated drawing
>>>>>>> going out to the Field and marked up drawings showing the "As-builts"
>>>>>>> sent back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frequently if one writes a report the company will request that both a
>>>>>>> printed report and a disk copy be furnished, particularly if any form
>>>>>>> of legal problems are anticipated. And, with extremely rare exceptions
>>>>>>> they want the disks in "Word format".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is all well and good to say "Well, Open Office can do the job", but
>>>>>>> if you deliver a Linux formatted disk with a OO document on it you
>>>>>>> will probably be told in no uncertain terms that it is not what you
>>>>>>> contracted to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course Auto-Cad will run on Linux using Wine but how big a data
>>>>>>> file can it handle? Are you sure that it can edit the largest drawing
>>>>>>> that the Engineers want to send? If you are out in the middle of a 100
>>>>>>> Sq. Km. sugar cane plantation in the middle of Java building a gas
>>>>>>> plant for the National Oil Company it is not really a good time to
>>>>>>> discover that you can't do your job because Linux won't do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, as long as windows is the dominant computer operating system Linux
>>>>>>> is never going to be a wholly acceptable system..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're right. Some things can only be done with Windows, at least for
>>>>>> now. My point is that most HOME USERS can do everything they do with
>>>>>> Windows but more securely if they use Ubuntu or another Linux distro.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just installed Fedora 13 (beta) on my Granddaughter's game computer
>>>>> - dual boot, Win 7 and Fedora - and set up Clamav to do periodic virus
>>>>> scans on the Linux partition. Thought I'd give the kid a fighting
>>>>> chance so changed things around a bit so that Linux could see the
>>>>> windows directory and set up Clamav to scan that partition too.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a machine that a 7 year old girl uses and has the installed
>>>>> Win 7 firewall and whatever they call it that won't let you run a
>>>>> program without clicking on yet another permission box. Probably not
>>>>> earth shaking protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Results - no virus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, I have had one serious virus in something like 20 years and
>>>>> I got that one from a bootleg copied disk. I use a firewall and do
>>>>> periodic virus scans but frankly I have never had a problem with
>>>>> mal-ware or virus that effected the operations of the computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> My own suspicions are that these people who have massive problems with
>>>>> mal-ware or virus are very likely not using a decent firewall or are
>>>>> downloading a lot of porn and warz.
>>>>>
>>>>> John B. Slocomb
>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>
>>>> You're forgetting about not updating Windows, Java, Flash, etc. as
>>>> causes. That's the beautiful thing about Linux: the updates update
>>>> everything you have installed if you configure it properly.
>>>
>>> Windows,java,Flash,whatever-your-heart-desires gets updated in Windows
>>> automatically,dummy.
>>> Do you actual run Windows, or do you just despise it?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Once I had
>>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You re-installed XP cause that is your skill level...stick a DVD/live-CD
>>> in a tray, call it "support".
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh, and Warez went out of business almost a decade ago. The new sites
>>>> are www.PirateBay.org and www.Torrents.to. Where I live it is LEGAL to
>>>> download from those sites as long as you don't plan on selling what you
>>>> download. The so-called loss that the audio and video companies
>>>> supposedly suffer is made up by a charge on every single blank CD or DVD
>>>> that you buy. Quite sensible, really. I would never download software
>>>> from there because we are talking about millions of files. Audio and
>>>> video, OTOH, can be scanned before running and I've never had a problem.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's still all called "warez", dummy.
>>
>> Only by dummies like you.
>>
>
> No, dummy.
> It is common to call all such downloads "warez".

Only by dummies like you.

> Stop Capitalizing it, dumbass...

NO.

>
>>> You and your pendantic ass.
>>>
>>
>> Warez was a specific group and they got busted. You probably also ask
>> for a "Xerox" copy when you should say photo copy.
>>
>
> Because you are capitalizing it, dumbass.

NO.

> I would ask for a xerox.
>

Figures.
--
Alias

 

[Death]

Alias wrote:

> Death wrote:

SNIP

>>
>> Windows,java,Flash,whatever-your-heart-desires gets updated in Windows
>> automatically,dummy.
>> Do you actual run Windows, or do you just despise it?
>
> You're wrong on all counts.
>

Dumbass.

>>
>>
>>> Once I had
>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>
>>
>> You re-installed XP cause that is your skill level...stick a DVD/live-CD
>> in a tray, call it "support".
>
> You obviously know nothing about cleaning up Windows machines.
>

I know what you do is called "clean install", but you make hammering
sounds, fire up some flashing lights, and make the customer think you
actually did something.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[John B. Slocomb]

On Sat, 15 May 2010 0770 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:

>
>> You allege that Windows is more susceptible to malware then
>> Linux but other then your say so why should we believe you?
>
>Are you saying that Windows isn't more susceptible to
>malware/virii ?

Of course Windows is more susceptible to the present crop of
virus/mal-ware. That wasn't the point I was making. I was stating that
his simple waving his hands and shouting that "the sky is falling"
isn't, particularly with Alias, who has a history of either lying or
getting his facts mixed up.

>
>True, Widows security has been improved dramatically over the
>latest two Windows OSs, but there are still a couple hundred
>thousand expolits waiting to infect any Windows box they can.
>
>I came across a website just the other day as I was using Linux
>that popped up the 'Infection Detected' window and tried to tell
>me my Linux box was infected with Windows virii. For the life of
>me, I can't remember what I was searching for, but I got to this
>page from a Google search hit.
>
>So I just close all FF Windows, restart FF, and then do my
>Google search again and avoid the link I clicked on.
>
>If I was using Windows, I would have needed to kill the FF
>process, restart in safe mode, and then run Malewarebytes/Spybot
>scans, as well as an AV scan, and check over some registry
>settings and startup programs.

If that is the box that I have run it says something like "your
computer is infected, click here for a virus scan". If it is the same
they haven't made a scan and don't click on it. I've encountered it in
both Linux and Windows and it hasn't done anything.

>I just think you picked the wrong subject to try to make your
>point, as we all know, Malware/Spyware, and either through
>automatic infection, or by some socially engineered infection
>method, **is written for the Windows OS**, so by that token
>alone I would think that it proves Windows *is* much much more
>susceptible than Linux.

I don't think that is necessarily correct. There is no question that
there is more Windows mal-ware, and more being written every day, but
I think that Windows mal-ware is so pervasive simply because nearly
all computers are using Windows. Any marketing guru will tell you to
go for the mass market.

But don't get the idea that Linux is somehow completely bullet proof.
In fact Linux Format (a British magazine) in an article about
firewalls went to some length to make the point that while the vast
majority of mal-ware is for Windows as Linux gains a larger share of
the market the amount of Linux mal-ware will become greater.

Most personal Linux systems have java installed. Many run Thunderbird
or Firefox, openoffice will run scripts and those are all ways that
mal-ware can sneak into a system. If there are FTP or Telnet ports
open those can be a source of infection.

Even today it is not uncommon to read about a web site that was hacked
or financial records that were stolen. Nearly all of these take place
on sites using Linux equipment.


John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

 

[Alias]

On 05/15/2010 04:27 PM, Death wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Death wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
>>>
>>> Windows,java,Flash,whatever-your-heart-desires gets updated in Windows
>>> automatically,dummy.
>>> Do you actual run Windows, or do you just despise it?
>>
>> You're wrong on all counts.
>>
>
> Dumbass.

Wrong again.

>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Once I had
>>>> to clean up an XP machine that had never been defragged (customer:
>>>> what's that?) or updated (customer: what's that?). It took over ten
>>>> minutes to boot up and once it booted, pop up Windows had a fucking
>>>> field day. I ended up reinstalling XP because there was just too much
>>>> malware to deal with and there was no guarantee that the AV and other
>>>> anti malware programs would completely remove all malware.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You re-installed XP cause that is your skill level...stick a DVD/live-CD
>>> in a tray, call it "support".
>>
>> You obviously know nothing about cleaning up Windows machines.
>>
>
> I know what you do is called "clean install", but you make hammering
> sounds, fire up some flashing lights, and make the customer think you
> actually did something.
>

Not what I did. The machine had a hidden partition so not only did I
install XP, I removed Norton and installed Adobe Reader, Flash, Java,
Office 2003, all the Windows updates including service packs, Avast,
Antimalwarebytes, Spyware Blaster, Superantispyware, Windows Live
Messenger, Windows Media 11 and I forget what else. The client was
pleased. I was pleased. You're not pleased but, what the hell, two out
of three ain't bad.

--
Alias