Is the current computer generation absolutely clueless?

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 1/16/10, Conor posted:
> In article <N0o4n.1234$SJ7.1114@newsfe07.iad>, Charles Tomaras says...
>>
>> You are a mechanic who can fix cars, prefers a manual
>> transmissions, and a tri fold maps. The new automobiles have automatic
>> transmissions, GPS navigation, sophisticated power systems, auto parking
>> modes, back up cameras etc etc.

> Bad analogy. A mechanic would be expected to know how to do both.
> Certainly my training covered both.

I think he meant that a mechanic with the skills mentioned would find
that the current crop of cars is too dumbed down for his tastes and
skills.

--
Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com

 

[Zootal]

"Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in
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>
> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in
>> news:7reredFqmaU2@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message
>>> news:hit7et$h55$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
>>>>>MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
>>>>> ignorance when XP or Vista came out...
>>
>>>> I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their
>>>> lives updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for
>>>> problems (but never called anything but issues). In the early
>>>> 1900's every motorist knew how to rebuild his vehicle and do
>>>> running roadside repairs. Right up until the 60s most schoolboys
>>>> could tune an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very few could even
>>>> change a spark plug. And that is progress. When computers reach the
>>>> stage where only the professionals know how to repair the machine
>>>> or the software, then it will really have come of age. So if you
>>>> notice that we are heading in that direction- then I can only say
>>>> that things are improving. In the meantime users should be
>>>> encouraged to use this and similar groups to try and get their
>>>> heads around the things they need to know without having to have
>>>> some 'entry level knowledge', or without being called dense.
>>>
>>> Good post!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes and no. The age of computers similar to cars in the early 1900's
>> was when cpm machines were the latest and greatest, and only the
>> technically adept could actually do anything with them.
>>
>> The era we are discussing started in the early 1990s when Windows 3.x
>> came of age, quickly followed by Win95. Back then, the OS was just as
>> mysterious
>> and difficult to work with as it is today. Little has changed - we
>> moved from ini files to the registry, we can no longer SYS a drive to
>> boot the OS, the OS is insanely more complex and is much larger, but
>> neither the so called professionals nor the home users know any more
>> about the OS today than they did back then. We are not at all moving
>> in the direction where only the Pro's can repair a machine or the
>> software - we arrived there 20 years ago. Cars arrived there at the
>> end of the 1960s with the advent of emmission control devices and
>> them thar new fangled computer controls.
>
> Cars may not be the perfect analogy, but he point is newbies should
> feel free to post here in the hope of getting some help, and there are
> some who are prepared to help. If you aren't prepared to offer the
> benefit of your knowledge and assist, that's fine - juust ignore the
> post, but nobody wins when posters waste their time criticizing and
> abusing others.
>
>

Huh, I didn't get that point at all...but I agree with you 100%

 

[Gilgamesh]

"Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D0267A83F900nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
>> Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>>
>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
>> ignorance when XP or Vista came out...
>>
>
> I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current computer
> generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a programmer
> had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use upper memory,
> and as little as possible. We had to know memory managers,

Back in my programming days we had to zap object code to get it to function
properly when compiled (this is back in the days before PCs and DOS).;

 

[Fred]

"Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in
> news:hitg97$156$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>
>> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D02964DB9581nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
>>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in
>>> news:7reredFqmaU2@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message
>>>> news:hit7et$h55$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
>>>>>>MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
>>>>>> ignorance when XP or Vista came out...
>>>
>>>>> I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their
>>>>> lives updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for
>>>>> problems (but never called anything but issues). In the early
>>>>> 1900's every motorist knew how to rebuild his vehicle and do
>>>>> running roadside repairs. Right up until the 60s most schoolboys
>>>>> could tune an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very few could even
>>>>> change a spark plug. And that is progress. When computers reach the
>>>>> stage where only the professionals know how to repair the machine
>>>>> or the software, then it will really have come of age. So if you
>>>>> notice that we are heading in that direction- then I can only say
>>>>> that things are improving. In the meantime users should be
>>>>> encouraged to use this and similar groups to try and get their
>>>>> heads around the things they need to know without having to have
>>>>> some 'entry level knowledge', or without being called dense.
>>>>
>>>> Good post!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes and no. The age of computers similar to cars in the early 1900's
>>> was when cpm machines were the latest and greatest, and only the
>>> technically adept could actually do anything with them.
>>>
>>> The era we are discussing started in the early 1990s when Windows 3.x
>>> came of age, quickly followed by Win95. Back then, the OS was just as
>>> mysterious
>>> and difficult to work with as it is today. Little has changed - we
>>> moved from ini files to the registry, we can no longer SYS a drive to
>>> boot the OS, the OS is insanely more complex and is much larger, but
>>> neither the so called professionals nor the home users know any more
>>> about the OS today than they did back then. We are not at all moving
>>> in the direction where only the Pro's can repair a machine or the
>>> software - we arrived there 20 years ago. Cars arrived there at the
>>> end of the 1960s with the advent of emmission control devices and
>>> them thar new fangled computer controls.
>>
>> Cars may not be the perfect analogy, but he point is newbies should
>> feel free to post here in the hope of getting some help, and there are
>> some who are prepared to help. If you aren't prepared to offer the
>> benefit of your knowledge and assist, that's fine - juust ignore the
>> post, but nobody wins when posters waste their time criticizing and
>> abusing others.
>>
>>
>
> Huh, I didn't get that point at all...but I agree with you 100%

No offence intended - Read 'If you aren't prepared to offer ........' as -
'If those who aren't prepared to offer.......'

 

[Zootal]

"Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@dont.spam.me> wrote in
news:00dbe9d4$0$15597$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:

>
> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D0267A83F900nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
>>> MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>>>
>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
>>> ignorance when XP or Vista came out...
>>>
>>
>> I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current
>> computer generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a
>> programmer had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use
>> upper memory, and as little as possible. We had to know memory
>> managers,
>
> Back in my programming days we had to zap object code to get it to
> function properly when compiled (this is back in the days before PCs
> and DOS).;
>

Used to work on an old Sperry Univac V76 system. We had a decent linker,
fortunately. It was a serious PITA to work with the system. We didn't have
monitors, we had TI Silent 700's thermal printers as our terminal.
<shudder>

 

[Tony]

I must agree wholeheartedly today's generation of punks are clueless and useless
twats.

Gordon wrote:

> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS Win 7
> forums, or as many totally dense people.
>
> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance when
> XP or Vista came out...

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Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on
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[Charles Tomaras]

"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message
> news:N0o4n.1234$SJ7.1114@newsfe07.iad...
>> You mention that no one wanted a newly updated GUI but I think that sales
>> statistics for the Windows 7 will prove you wrong on that point because
>> there is still very little that can't be done with Windows XP.
>
> I think that more to the point, if we need a new computer, we don't have a
> choice!

Yes and it's difficult to buy a new car without seat beats or air bags.

No one if forcing you to buy Windows 7. I believe you can still buy a Mac,
or even a box with Linux or no OS if you shop at at a local box maker.

 

[Gilgamesh]

"Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D02B78E572D5nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
> "Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@dont.spam.me> wrote in
> news:00dbe9d4$0$15597$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
>
>>
>> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D0267A83F900nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
>>>> MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>>>>
>>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
>>>> ignorance when XP or Vista came out...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current
>>> computer generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days, a
>>> programmer had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to use
>>> upper memory, and as little as possible. We had to know memory
>>> managers,
>>
>> Back in my programming days we had to zap object code to get it to
>> function properly when compiled (this is back in the days before PCs
>> and DOS).;
>>
>
> Used to work on an old Sperry Univac V76 system. We had a decent linker,
> fortunately. It was a serious PITA to work with the system. We didn't have
> monitors, we had TI Silent 700's thermal printers as our terminal.
> <shudder>

Real programmers don't eat quiche
Real programmers don't even know how to spell keysh.

Real programmers don't debug code.
Real programmers make software work by toggling the various switches on the
front of the computer.

Real programmers don't work 9 to 5.
If you see a programmer at 9 AM it's because they worked all night
correcting a user error.

Real programmers can make their software work in 10K of memory

 

[thanatoid]

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net:

> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are
> on the MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>
> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of
> complete ignorance when XP or Vista came out...

I have been in this group (out of pure curiosity, I will die
torn apart by four horses before I use Win7 (Win6.1) or Vista
(Win6), and it is actually less stupid than the XP groups which
I have been in for about 5-7 weeks. I still use 98SELite for
almost everything, I needed to install XP for ONE reason only,
and it will be gone as soon as I'm done with that app. But I can
not believe the stupidity of most XP group denizens compared to
the pre-XP groups (when they were popular, but even now, maybe
especially now...:

In answer to your question, due to the concerted efforts of
software manufacturers, the mass media, and 21st Century
governments, people in general /are/ getting dumber and dumber
on the average. Most people should not even be allowed to OWN a
computer - but it makes a perfect surveillance tool for a
person's entire life/activities, so totalitarian governments
(like the USA and China) love them.


--
There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives
and those that will break later.
- Chuck Armstrong (This one I think, http://www.cleanreg.com/,
not the ball player. But who knows. I can't remember where I got
the quote. But it's true.)

 

[John Morrison]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:27:10 +1300, "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote:
>
>"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS Win 7
>>forums, or as many totally dense people.
>>
>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
>> when XP or Vista came out...
>
>I'm sure most people buy a computer to use. Not to spend half their lives
>updating, downloading patches, looking for solutions for problems (but never
>called anything but issues).
>
> In the early 1900's every motorist knew how to
>rebuild his vehicle and do running roadside repairs. Right up until the 60s
>most schoolboys could tune an engine, reline brakes etc. Now very few could
>even change a spark plug. And that is progress.

Fair enough Fred.

At 17 Years of age my first car was a 2nd hand 1937 Studebaker Dictator.
Because of economics and the small wages I was earning at the time I had
to learn how to be able to perform my own vehicle maintenance & repairs.

>In the meantime users should be encouraged to use this and similar groups to
>try and get their heads around the things they need to know without having
>to have some 'entry level knowledge', or without being called dense.

I certainly agree with that Fred. I bought my first computer in 1992 and
I had never used a computer before. When I got it home my first thought
was "s**t" what do I do now?

I joined Melbourne PC Users Group and was welcomed and received a
tremendous amount of help and it was suggested that I would benefit by
reading news groups. So I signed up for Gravity 2.3 (I think it was) and
started reading news groups with Gravity until it closed then I switched
to Forte Agent.
At that time Internet access was limited to only 2 hours per day.

Unfortunately newsgroups such as this are now not welcoming for new
users.
--

John

 

[Zootal]

"Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@dont.spam.me> wrote in
news:00dc17c9$0$15648$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:

>
> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D02B78E572D5nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
>> "Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@dont.spam.me> wrote in
>> news:00dbe9d4$0$15597$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "Zootal" <nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D0267A83F900nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131...
>>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the
>>>>> MS Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
>>>>> ignorance when XP or Vista came out...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been a programmer for twenty years, and yes, the current
>>>> computer generation is pretty clueless. Back in the good old days,
>>>> a programmer had to know how to configure drivers via config.sys to
>>>> use upper memory, and as little as possible. We had to know memory
>>>> managers,
>>>
>>> Back in my programming days we had to zap object code to get it to
>>> function properly when compiled (this is back in the days before PCs
>>> and DOS).;
>>>
>>
>> Used to work on an old Sperry Univac V76 system. We had a decent
>> linker, fortunately. It was a serious PITA to work with the system.
>> We didn't have monitors, we had TI Silent 700's thermal printers as
>> our terminal. <shudder>
>
> Real programmers don't eat quiche
> Real programmers don't even know how to spell keysh.
>
> Real programmers don't debug code.
> Real programmers make software work by toggling the various switches
> on the front of the computer.
>
> Real programmers don't work 9 to 5.
> If you see a programmer at 9 AM it's because they worked all night
> correcting a user error.
>
> Real programmers can make their software work in 10K of memory
>
>
>

There is more truth to than there should be . I got out of bed at 8am
this morning. Wasn't sure what that weird bright thing outside my window
was, I don't see it on that side of the house very often. And we
actually had 16k to play with. And we would enter programs via the
switches on the front console just for fun. Kids today hardly know what
assembler is - we had to use raw machine code for these babys! No
reloadable modules. You want to jump or branch? You calculated where you
were going to jump to and don't get it wrong or kablooie. No pipeline
for these cpus, no instruction level paralellism, no out of order
processing. Risc hadn't even been invented yet. One of our machines had
honest to goodness core memory. Now I'm really feeling old...

 

[Gordon]

"Conor" <conor@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.25bc184512ba2fe4989b8d@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <vbn4n.59847$Db2.8455@edtnps83>, Augustus says...
>>
>> >> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete
>> >> ignorance
>> >> when XP or Vista came out...
>>
>> Not when XP came out, no.
>
> You are either a liar or haven't been into computers that long.
>
> When XP came out, people complained about software not working, hardware
> not working, buggy drivers, constant crashes etc. In fact, the
> comparisons between XP and Vista were astonishing however people seem to
> have short memories. XP only became decent once SP1 came out.
>

I'm not talking about complaints of stuff not working - I'm talking about
things like "I did a clean install now I can't find email/Outlook/Word etc
etc etc". Hundreds of them.

 

[milt]

On 1/16/2010 11:43 AM, Gordon wrote:
> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
> Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>
> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
> when XP or Vista came out...

Yup, I would have to say they are. I blame AOL for starting it all. The
"dumbing down" of computers started with AOL.

 

[Alias]

Conor wrote:
> In article <vbn4n.59847$Db2.8455@edtnps83>, Augustus says...
>>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
>>>> when XP or Vista came out...
>> Not when XP came out, no.
>
> You are either a liar or haven't been into computers that long.
>
> When XP came out, people complained about software not working, hardware
> not working, buggy drivers, constant crashes etc. In fact, the
> comparisons between XP and Vista were astonishing however people seem to
> have short memories. XP only became decent once SP1 came out.
>

Rule of thumb: Windows doesn't even start to become usable until SP1 and
there really isn't any reason to "upgrade" until SP2. Course, being as
Windows 7 is Vista SE, it's usable now.

--
Alias

 

[Philo P. Shagnasty]

Err - No - You are the clueless one Mr. Net Cop. Err. <sigh> Umm.

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7rec5fF3iqU1@mid.individual.net...
> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS Win
> 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>
> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
> when XP or Vista came out...

 

[Death]

Alias wrote:

> Conor wrote:
>> In article <vbn4n.59847$Db2.8455@edtnps83>, Augustus says...
>>>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
>>>>> when XP or Vista came out...
>>> Not when XP came out, no.
>>
>> You are either a liar or haven't been into computers that long.
>>
>> When XP came out, people complained about software not working, hardware
>> not working, buggy drivers, constant crashes etc. In fact, the
>> comparisons between XP and Vista were astonishing however people seem to
>> have short memories. XP only became decent once SP1 came out.
>>
>
> Rule of thumb: Windows doesn't even start to become usable until SP1 and
> there really isn't any reason to "upgrade" until SP2. Course, being as
> Windows 7 is Vista SE, it's usable now.
>

Your T-Bird is messed up.
You keep cross-posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy for some reason.
If it made a clicking sound, maybe you'd have noticed.

--

Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Alias]

Death wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Conor wrote:
>>> In article <vbn4n.59847$Db2.8455@edtnps83>, Augustus says...
>>>>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
>>>>>> when XP or Vista came out...
>>>> Not when XP came out, no.
>>> You are either a liar or haven't been into computers that long.
>>>
>>> When XP came out, people complained about software not working, hardware
>>> not working, buggy drivers, constant crashes etc. In fact, the
>>> comparisons between XP and Vista were astonishing however people seem to
>>> have short memories. XP only became decent once SP1 came out.
>>>
>> Rule of thumb: Windows doesn't even start to become usable until SP1 and
>> there really isn't any reason to "upgrade" until SP2. Course, being as
>> Windows 7 is Vista SE, it's usable now.
>>
>
> Your T-Bird is messed up.

No it isn't.

> You keep cross-posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy for some reason.

It's on purpose. What's your excuse?

> If it made a clicking sound, maybe you'd have noticed.

See above.

--
Alias

 

[MJMIII]

"milt" <theatre_nospam_guy@miltsweb.com> wrote in message
news:hivca3$64i$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 1/16/2010 11:43 AM, Gordon wrote:
>> I don't think I have EVER seen as many howlers as there are on the MS
>> Win 7 forums, or as many totally dense people.
>>
>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
>> when XP or Vista came out...
>
> Yup, I would have to say they are. I blame AOL for starting it all. The
> "dumbing down" of computers started with AOL.

Fuckin' A! I can't tell you how many people approached me begging me to fix
their "AOL" so they can talk to their Aunt Matilda. In most cases the
monitor was turned off.
--


"Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

 

[Death]

Alias wrote:

> Death wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Conor wrote:
>>>> In article <vbn4n.59847$Db2.8455@edtnps83>, Augustus says...
>>>>>>> I certainly don't recall anything LIKE this level of complete ignorance
>>>>>>> when XP or Vista came out...
>>>>> Not when XP came out, no.
>>>> You are either a liar or haven't been into computers that long.
>>>>
>>>> When XP came out, people complained about software not working, hardware
>>>> not working, buggy drivers, constant crashes etc. In fact, the
>>>> comparisons between XP and Vista were astonishing however people seem to
>>>> have short memories. XP only became decent once SP1 came out.
>>>>
>>> Rule of thumb: Windows doesn't even start to become usable until SP1 and
>>> there really isn't any reason to "upgrade" until SP2. Course, being as
>>> Windows 7 is Vista SE, it's usable now.
>>>
>>
>> Your T-Bird is messed up.
>
> No it isn't.
>

Then it's just you.


>> You keep cross-posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy for some reason.
>
> It's on purpose. What's your excuse?
>

You finally became a pledged ubuntard?
Congrats.

>> If it made a clicking sound, maybe you'd have noticed.
>
> See above.
>

Is my roof leaking?

--

Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

 

[Joel]

Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>Conor wrote:
>>
>> When XP came out, people complained about software not working, hardware
>> not working, buggy drivers, constant crashes etc. In fact, the
>> comparisons between XP and Vista were astonishing however people seem to
>> have short memories. XP only became decent once SP1 came out.
>
>Rule of thumb: Windows doesn't even start to become usable until SP1 and
>there really isn't any reason to "upgrade" until SP2. Course, being as
>Windows 7 is Vista SE, it's usable now.


I felt that XP started pretty strong, no doubt benefitting from 2000's
prior release (2000 SP2 was a great "light" version of
XP RTM - clearly a lot of new code, mid-2001). Vista was blatantly a
beta of 7, though - I've been loving 7, but I stuck with XP until it
was available.

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Joel Crump