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General Question <XP vs 7>

S

Sj

Flightless Bird
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:26:01 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:50:23 -0500, Sj <Sj@NOTforMAIL.not> wrote:
>
>>Here I thought I was the very last 2000 user on the planet!
>>
>>Can't help you w/ your question but will follow all the replies, as I
>>have access to an unused, relatively new 64 bit/Win 7 computer.
>>
>>My thoughts were to format the HD & install XP. Is that doable
>>on a 64 bit machine? And I didn't know Win 7 has an XP mode.
>
>Yes, you can format the HD and install XP if you have a copy. The
>hardware being 64-bit capable doesn't prevent you from running 32-bit
>XP.
>
>Only the higher end versions of Windows 7 include the virtual XP mode.

Thanks, both you & Frank - you've been helpful.

Sj
 
A

atec7 7

Flightless Bird
Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>
>

>
> One thing for certain is it's best to stay away from all distros of
> Linux. Especially that Shitty Ubuntu.
>
>
Oh look another ill informed winblows apologist
 
J

John Morrison

Flightless Bird
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:57:59 -0700, "Bill Yanaire, ESQ"
<bill@yanaire.net> wrote:

>"Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote in message
>news:hv7ui5$8m6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Tim Slattery wrote:
>>> "JC"<jjcardella@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer get
>>>> XP
>>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients to
>>>> XP
>>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>
>>> XP is two versions ago. At this point MS is still supporting it, but
>>> eventually they will drop that while Win7 support continues. You can
>>> bet that support for any new hardware that comes along will be in
>>> Win7, maybe in Vista, but not in XP.
>>>
>>> IMHO, migrating your work machines to XP instead of Win7 at this point
>>> would not be a good idea.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think the hardware folks will stop making XP drivers until XP is
>> not the OS on the vast majority of computers.
>
>One thing for certain is it's best to stay away from all distros of Linux.
>Especially that Shitty Ubuntu.

I tried Ubuntu on an earlier computer, it was quite a reasonable OS but
wouldn't run my favourite Windows programs.
--

John
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 06/15/2010 10:27 PM, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hv8jah$ukh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote in message
>>> news:hv7ui5$8m6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Tim Slattery wrote:
>>>>> "JC"<jjcardella@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>>>>>> get XP
>>>>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>>>>>> to XP
>>>>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> XP is two versions ago. At this point MS is still supporting it, but
>>>>> eventually they will drop that while Win7 support continues. You can
>>>>> bet that support for any new hardware that comes along will be in
>>>>> Win7, maybe in Vista, but not in XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, migrating your work machines to XP instead of Win7 at this point
>>>>> would not be a good idea.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the hardware folks will stop making XP drivers until XP
>>>> is not the OS on the vast majority of computers.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> One thing for certain is it's best to stay away from all distros of
>>> Linux. Especially that Shitty Ubuntu.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ubuntu doesn't have the problem of becoming outdated like Windows 3,
>> 95, 98, 98SE, Me, NT 3, NT 4 or XP do which was the subject at hand.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>
> You are right. Ubuntu doesn't have the problem of BECOMING outdated. It
> has always been OUTDATED and therefore irrelevant to 99.9999999% of the
> computer users who try that piece of shit OS.
>
>

As we all know, you're too stupid to install Ubuntu and don't know what
the fuck you're talking about. Your ever post proves this.

--
Alias
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 06/16/2010 04:12 AM, atec7 7 > wrote:
> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>
>
>>
>> One thing for certain is it's best to stay away from all distros of
>> Linux. Especially that Shitty Ubuntu.
>>
>>
> Oh look another ill informed winblows apologist

Not to mention too fucking stupid to install and run Ubuntu.

--
Alias
 
M

Marti van Lin

Flightless Bird
Op 15-06-10 06:10, Frank wrote:
> On 6/14/2010 7:37 PM, JC wrote:
>> First allow me to apologize as I am no USENET guru. Typically when I
>> decide
>> to make a post in hopes some kind soul(s) will give some input/feedback
>> towards my interests/concerns I am clueless which group to post to. But I
>> will say I generally get a positive reponse where ever I post.
>>
>> For the past five or so years I have used 2000 on my home machines. They
>> actually still use 98 on the clients where I work (which is medical
>> laboratory) with an antiquated Novell network o/s and Oracle DBMS on the
>> server. This is primarily due to the fact that I have very antiquated
>> tools
>> (Visual Cafe for my IDE with SDK 1.1); my app will only run on 98
>> machines.
>> Anyway, that is neither here nor there.
>>
>> My question is about Windows XP vs 7. I am at a point where I would
>> like to
>> upgrade my home machines to XP. Even though I've been using 2000 for
>> so long
>> (and very satisfied with it) I do have some XP experience/knowledge.
>> Problem
>> is that one of the used machines I just purchased has XP on it because
>> that
>> is what was on it when I got it. Seems like it is not possible to
>> purchase
>> XP nowadays. It is all Windows 7.
>>
>> A few friends here and there have had me come and look at their Windows 7
>> machines. They think because I have a degree in CompSci/Math that I know
>> everything there is to know about computers. I cannot make them
>> understand I
>> am a GUI programmer, database programmer, amateur DBA, and data
>> analyst. I
>> keep telling them I am not a technician but they will not believe me. The
>> handful of times I've played around with a Windows 7 machine so far I've
>> found it very counterintuitive and confusing. I do not like it at all!
>> Not
>> knowing much about XP anytime I've worked on an XP machine I've typically
>> had little if any problems.
>>
>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>> get XP
>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>> to XP
>> at work would that not be possible?
>>
>> Many Thanks,
>> -JC
>>
>>
> Take the plunge and go with 7, otherwise you'll be left far behind very
> quickly. 7 is the very best OS available today.

Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.

If you migrate to ether Windows XP or 7, in time you will have the same
problem. Microsoft will quit supporting Windows 7 (XP will be killed in
2014) and forces you to buy a new version.

Beside that, migrating from Windows 98/2000 to ether Windows XP or 7 is
quite a culture shock. The GUI is totally different.

So if you're at it, why not take the plunge and move to Ubuntu for example?

It saves you and your organization lots of licensing money (because it's
gratis and fully legal) and the amount of development tools (IDE's etc.)
available for GNU/Linux, will knock you off your socks ;-)

You are still able to use Windows 98 if that is important. Simply
install Oracle VirtualBox (Desktop virtualisator) and install Windows 98
in a virtual machine.

I've done it before and it worked flawlessly. And just to think I am
only a hobbyist home user ;-)

You can have gratis support right here:

http://ubuntuusers.de/

or (if you are not German) here:

http://www.ubuntu.com/

With kind regards,

--
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin
|-|_|0| Registered GNU/Linux user 513040
|0|0|0| http://www.soundclick.com/martivanlin
 
R

Rob

Flightless Bird
"Marti van Lin" <ml2mst@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hvacek$f97$1@news.albasani.net...
> Op 15-06-10 06:10, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/14/2010 7:37 PM, JC wrote:
>>> First allow me to apologize as I am no USENET guru. Typically when I
>>> decide
>>> to make a post in hopes some kind soul(s) will give some input/feedback
>>> towards my interests/concerns I am clueless which group to post to. But
>>> I
>>> will say I generally get a positive reponse where ever I post.
>>>
>>> For the past five or so years I have used 2000 on my home machines. They
>>> actually still use 98 on the clients where I work (which is medical
>>> laboratory) with an antiquated Novell network o/s and Oracle DBMS on the
>>> server. This is primarily due to the fact that I have very antiquated
>>> tools
>>> (Visual Cafe for my IDE with SDK 1.1); my app will only run on 98
>>> machines.
>>> Anyway, that is neither here nor there.
>>>
>>> My question is about Windows XP vs 7. I am at a point where I would
>>> like to
>>> upgrade my home machines to XP. Even though I've been using 2000 for
>>> so long
>>> (and very satisfied with it) I do have some XP experience/knowledge.
>>> Problem
>>> is that one of the used machines I just purchased has XP on it because
>>> that
>>> is what was on it when I got it. Seems like it is not possible to
>>> purchase
>>> XP nowadays. It is all Windows 7.
>>>
>>> A few friends here and there have had me come and look at their Windows
>>> 7
>>> machines. They think because I have a degree in CompSci/Math that I know
>>> everything there is to know about computers. I cannot make them
>>> understand I
>>> am a GUI programmer, database programmer, amateur DBA, and data
>>> analyst. I
>>> keep telling them I am not a technician but they will not believe me.
>>> The
>>> handful of times I've played around with a Windows 7 machine so far I've
>>> found it very counterintuitive and confusing. I do not like it at all!
>>> Not
>>> knowing much about XP anytime I've worked on an XP machine I've
>>> typically
>>> had little if any problems.
>>>
>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>>> get XP
>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>>> to XP
>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>
>>> Many Thanks,
>>> -JC
>>>
>>>
>> Take the plunge and go with 7, otherwise you'll be left far behind very
>> quickly. 7 is the very best OS available today.
>
> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>
> If you migrate to ether Windows XP or 7, in time you will have the same
> problem. Microsoft will quit supporting Windows 7 (XP will be killed in
> 2014) and forces you to buy a new version.
>
> Beside that, migrating from Windows 98/2000 to ether Windows XP or 7 is
> quite a culture shock. The GUI is totally different.
>
> So if you're at it, why not take the plunge and move to Ubuntu for
> example?
>
> It saves you and your organization lots of licensing money (because it's
> gratis and fully legal) and the amount of development tools (IDE's etc.)
> available for GNU/Linux, will knock you off your socks ;-)
>
> You are still able to use Windows 98 if that is important. Simply
> install Oracle VirtualBox (Desktop virtualisator) and install Windows 98
> in a virtual machine.
>
> I've done it before and it worked flawlessly. And just to think I am
> only a hobbyist home user ;-)
>
> You can have gratis support right here:
>
> http://ubuntuusers.de/
>
> or (if you are not German) here:
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/

It is completely pointless arguing which is the 'best' operating system,
when these should be invisible to the user and *never* require the use
of DOS-like text-based commands to fix bugs/incompatibilities.

What the VAST majority of users do is buy applications. They do not
care about operating systems. If a professional needs to run (say) Adobe
Premiere Pro CS/5 as this is his industry's standard, then they will use an
OS on which it is designed to run. Simple as that.

Until application vendors start supplying versions which run natively
in linux etc without using emulators or virtual machines (both of which
require geek-level skills to configure and then fix the known bugs),
linux and it's like will remain the poor cousin of the likes of Windows.

Me? I use applications. As for OS's (in order of preference), I run
my apps in Windows7x64, XP and Kubuntu.
--
Rob
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 6/16/2010 4:27 AM, Marti van Lin wrote:
> Op 15-06-10 06:10, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/14/2010 7:37 PM, JC wrote:
>>> First allow me to apologize as I am no USENET guru. Typically when I
>>> decide
>>> to make a post in hopes some kind soul(s) will give some input/feedback
>>> towards my interests/concerns I am clueless which group to post to. But I
>>> will say I generally get a positive reponse where ever I post.
>>>
>>> For the past five or so years I have used 2000 on my home machines. They
>>> actually still use 98 on the clients where I work (which is medical
>>> laboratory) with an antiquated Novell network o/s and Oracle DBMS on the
>>> server. This is primarily due to the fact that I have very antiquated
>>> tools
>>> (Visual Cafe for my IDE with SDK 1.1); my app will only run on 98
>>> machines.
>>> Anyway, that is neither here nor there.
>>>
>>> My question is about Windows XP vs 7. I am at a point where I would
>>> like to
>>> upgrade my home machines to XP. Even though I've been using 2000 for
>>> so long
>>> (and very satisfied with it) I do have some XP experience/knowledge.
>>> Problem
>>> is that one of the used machines I just purchased has XP on it because
>>> that
>>> is what was on it when I got it. Seems like it is not possible to
>>> purchase
>>> XP nowadays. It is all Windows 7.
>>>
>>> A few friends here and there have had me come and look at their Windows 7
>>> machines. They think because I have a degree in CompSci/Math that I know
>>> everything there is to know about computers. I cannot make them
>>> understand I
>>> am a GUI programmer, database programmer, amateur DBA, and data
>>> analyst. I
>>> keep telling them I am not a technician but they will not believe me. The
>>> handful of times I've played around with a Windows 7 machine so far I've
>>> found it very counterintuitive and confusing. I do not like it at all!
>>> Not
>>> knowing much about XP anytime I've worked on an XP machine I've typically
>>> had little if any problems.
>>>
>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>>> get XP
>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>>> to XP
>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>
>>> Many Thanks,
>>> -JC
>>>
>>>
>> Take the plunge and go with 7, otherwise you'll be left far behind very
>> quickly. 7 is the very best OS available today.
>
> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>
> If you migrate to ether Windows XP or 7, in time you will have the same
> problem. Microsoft will quit supporting Windows 7 (XP will be killed in
> 2014) and forces you to buy a new version.
>
> Beside that, migrating from Windows 98/2000 to ether Windows XP or 7 is
> quite a culture shock. The GUI is totally different.
>
> So if you're at it, why not take the plunge and move to Ubuntu for example?
>
> It saves you and your organization lots of licensing money (because it's
> gratis and fully legal) and the amount of development tools (IDE's etc.)
> available for GNU/Linux, will knock you off your socks ;-)
>
> You are still able to use Windows 98 if that is important. Simply
> install Oracle VirtualBox (Desktop virtualisator) and install Windows 98
> in a virtual machine.
>
> I've done it before and it worked flawlessly. And just to think I am
> only a hobbyist home user ;-)
>
> You can have gratis support right here:
>
> http://ubuntuusers.de/
>
> or (if you are not German) here:
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> With kind regards,
>
Nobody is looking to downgrade, which is what you're recommending.
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 6/16/2010 2:34 AM, Alias wrote:
> On 06/15/2010 10:27 PM, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hv8jah$ukh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hv7ui5$8m6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Tim Slattery wrote:
>>>>>> "JC"<jjcardella@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>>>>>>> get XP
>>>>>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>>>>>>> to XP
>>>>>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> XP is two versions ago. At this point MS is still supporting it, but
>>>>>> eventually they will drop that while Win7 support continues. You can
>>>>>> bet that support for any new hardware that comes along will be in
>>>>>> Win7, maybe in Vista, but not in XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO, migrating your work machines to XP instead of Win7 at this
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> would not be a good idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the hardware folks will stop making XP drivers until XP
>>>>> is not the OS on the vast majority of computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> One thing for certain is it's best to stay away from all distros of
>>>> Linux. Especially that Shitty Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ubuntu doesn't have the problem of becoming outdated like Windows 3,
>>> 95, 98, 98SE, Me, NT 3, NT 4 or XP do which was the subject at hand.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>> You are right. Ubuntu doesn't have the problem of BECOMING outdated. It
>> has always been OUTDATED and therefore irrelevant to 99.9999999% of the
>> computer users who try that piece of shit OS.
>>
>>
>
> As we all know, you're too stupid to install Ubuntu and don't know what
> the fuck you're talking about. Your ever post proves this.
>
As we all know, you are stupid enough to install ubuntu and obviously
don't know what you're talking about.
Your every post proves that point.
 
L

Leythos

Flightless Bird
In article <hvacek$f97$1@news.albasani.net>, ml2mst@gmail.com says...
> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>

That's not really true - the new versions are released, updates are
released, at some point you upgrade because they don't keep supporting
version ABC.ABC...

The reason people don't run Linux more than they already do is support
and compatibility with devices and people not running Linux.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
M

Marti van Lin

Flightless Bird
Op 16-06-10 17:02, Leythos wrote:
> In article <hvacek$f97$1@news.albasani.net>, ml2mst@gmail.com says...
>> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
>> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>>
>
> That's not really true - the new versions are released, updates are
> released, at some point you upgrade because they don't keep supporting
> version ABC.ABC...

There for distributions provide a distribution upgrade, from the update
manager.

I kept on working while the distribution upgrade from the former Long
Term Support version to the current LTS version was in progress.

> The reason people don't run Linux more than they already do is support
> and compatibility with devices and people not running Linux.

I'm sorry I didn't have any problems with hardware support for the last
five years.

If you don't have a driver disk for WinXP or 7, your screwed too. Under
GNU/Linux it's much more likely that your hardware will be supported
right out of the box.

--
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin
|-|_|0| Registered GNU/Linux user 513040
|0|0|0| http://www.soundclick.com/martivanlin
 
L

Leythos

Flightless Bird
In article <hvar1p$76s$1@news.albasani.net>, ml2mst@gmail.com says...
>
> Op 16-06-10 17:02, Leythos wrote:
> > In article <hvacek$f97$1@news.albasani.net>, ml2mst@gmail.com says...
> >> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
> >> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
> >>
> >
> > That's not really true - the new versions are released, updates are
> > released, at some point you upgrade because they don't keep supporting
> > version ABC.ABC...
>
> There for distributions provide a distribution upgrade, from the update
> manager.
>
> I kept on working while the distribution upgrade from the former Long
> Term Support version to the current LTS version was in progress.
>
> > The reason people don't run Linux more than they already do is support
> > and compatibility with devices and people not running Linux.
>
> I'm sorry I didn't have any problems with hardware support for the last
> five years.
>
> If you don't have a driver disk for WinXP or 7, your screwed too. Under
> GNU/Linux it's much more likely that your hardware will be supported
> right out of the box.

How many Epson printers do you have?

How many Cannon printers do you have?

How many All-In-One printer/scanner/fax devices do you have fully
operational with Linux?

The list goes on.

The one thing we know for sure, drivers for Windows generally come out
with the devices and certainly quicker than for Linux.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Leythos wrote:
> In article<hvar1p$76s$1@news.albasani.net>, ml2mst@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Op 16-06-10 17:02, Leythos wrote:
>>> In article<hvacek$f97$1@news.albasani.net>, ml2mst@gmail.com says...
>>>> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
>>>> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's not really true - the new versions are released, updates are
>>> released, at some point you upgrade because they don't keep supporting
>>> version ABC.ABC...
>>
>> There for distributions provide a distribution upgrade, from the update
>> manager.
>>
>> I kept on working while the distribution upgrade from the former Long
>> Term Support version to the current LTS version was in progress.
>>
>>> The reason people don't run Linux more than they already do is support
>>> and compatibility with devices and people not running Linux.
>>
>> I'm sorry I didn't have any problems with hardware support for the last
>> five years.
>>
>> If you don't have a driver disk for WinXP or 7, your screwed too. Under
>> GNU/Linux it's much more likely that your hardware will be supported
>> right out of the box.
>
> How many Epson printers do you have?

I have a few and they work great with Linux.

>
> How many Cannon printers do you have?

Canon is famous for not being Linux friendly but that's Canon's fault
and lose. A little hardware research will go a long way.

>
> How many All-In-One printer/scanner/fax devices do you have fully
> operational with Linux?

I have an HP All-in-One that works just fine. It doesn't have Vista or
Windows 7 drivers though.

>
> The list goes on.

So you're saying that Windows 7 will not have a problem with each and
every printer ever made?

>
> The one thing we know for sure, drivers for Windows generally come out
> with the devices and certainly quicker than for Linux.
>

Research before buying. You don't do that?

--
Alias
 
M

Marti van Lin

Flightless Bird
Op 16-06-10 13:45, Rob wrote:
> "Marti van Lin" <ml2mst@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hvacek$f97$1@news.albasani.net...
>> Op 15-06-10 06:10, Frank wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2010 7:37 PM, JC wrote:
>>>> First allow me to apologize as I am no USENET guru. Typically when I
>>>> decide
>>>> to make a post in hopes some kind soul(s) will give some input/feedback
>>>> towards my interests/concerns I am clueless which group to post to. But
>>>> I
>>>> will say I generally get a positive reponse where ever I post.
>>>>
>>>> For the past five or so years I have used 2000 on my home machines. They
>>>> actually still use 98 on the clients where I work (which is medical
>>>> laboratory) with an antiquated Novell network o/s and Oracle DBMS on the
>>>> server. This is primarily due to the fact that I have very antiquated
>>>> tools
>>>> (Visual Cafe for my IDE with SDK 1.1); my app will only run on 98
>>>> machines.
>>>> Anyway, that is neither here nor there.
>>>>
>>>> My question is about Windows XP vs 7. I am at a point where I would
>>>> like to
>>>> upgrade my home machines to XP. Even though I've been using 2000 for
>>>> so long
>>>> (and very satisfied with it) I do have some XP experience/knowledge.
>>>> Problem
>>>> is that one of the used machines I just purchased has XP on it because
>>>> that
>>>> is what was on it when I got it. Seems like it is not possible to
>>>> purchase
>>>> XP nowadays. It is all Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> A few friends here and there have had me come and look at their Windows
>>>> 7
>>>> machines. They think because I have a degree in CompSci/Math that I know
>>>> everything there is to know about computers. I cannot make them
>>>> understand I
>>>> am a GUI programmer, database programmer, amateur DBA, and data
>>>> analyst. I
>>>> keep telling them I am not a technician but they will not believe me.
>>>> The
>>>> handful of times I've played around with a Windows 7 machine so far I've
>>>> found it very counterintuitive and confusing. I do not like it at all!
>>>> Not
>>>> knowing much about XP anytime I've worked on an XP machine I've
>>>> typically
>>>> had little if any problems.
>>>>
>>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>>>> get XP
>>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>>>> to XP
>>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>>
>>>> Many Thanks,
>>>> -JC
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Take the plunge and go with 7, otherwise you'll be left far behind very
>>> quickly. 7 is the very best OS available today.
>>
>> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
>> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>>
>> If you migrate to ether Windows XP or 7, in time you will have the same
>> problem. Microsoft will quit supporting Windows 7 (XP will be killed in
>> 2014) and forces you to buy a new version.
>>
>> Beside that, migrating from Windows 98/2000 to ether Windows XP or 7 is
>> quite a culture shock. The GUI is totally different.
>>
>> So if you're at it, why not take the plunge and move to Ubuntu for
>> example?
>>
>> It saves you and your organization lots of licensing money (because it's
>> gratis and fully legal) and the amount of development tools (IDE's etc.)
>> available for GNU/Linux, will knock you off your socks ;-)
>>
>> You are still able to use Windows 98 if that is important. Simply
>> install Oracle VirtualBox (Desktop virtualisator) and install Windows 98
>> in a virtual machine.
>>
>> I've done it before and it worked flawlessly. And just to think I am
>> only a hobbyist home user ;-)
>>
>> You can have gratis support right here:
>>
>> http://ubuntuusers.de/
>>
>> or (if you are not German) here:
>>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> It is completely pointless arguing which is the 'best' operating system,
> when these should be invisible to the user and *never* require the use
> of DOS-like text-based commands to fix bugs/incompatibilities.

I wasn't arguing about what the "best" Operating System is. I merely
offered the OP another money saving option.

The OP of course is free to ignore ;-)

[pointless Evangelism/Advocacy snipped]

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M

Marti van Lin

Flightless Bird
Op 16-06-10 16:56, Frank wrote:
> On 6/16/2010 4:27 AM, Marti van Lin wrote:
>> Op 15-06-10 06:10, Frank wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2010 7:37 PM, JC wrote:
>>>> First allow me to apologize as I am no USENET guru. Typically when I
>>>> decide
>>>> to make a post in hopes some kind soul(s) will give some input/feedback
>>>> towards my interests/concerns I am clueless which group to post to.
>>>> But I
>>>> will say I generally get a positive reponse where ever I post.
>>>>
>>>> For the past five or so years I have used 2000 on my home machines.
>>>> They
>>>> actually still use 98 on the clients where I work (which is medical
>>>> laboratory) with an antiquated Novell network o/s and Oracle DBMS on
>>>> the
>>>> server. This is primarily due to the fact that I have very antiquated
>>>> tools
>>>> (Visual Cafe for my IDE with SDK 1.1); my app will only run on 98
>>>> machines.
>>>> Anyway, that is neither here nor there.
>>>>
>>>> My question is about Windows XP vs 7. I am at a point where I would
>>>> like to
>>>> upgrade my home machines to XP. Even though I've been using 2000 for
>>>> so long
>>>> (and very satisfied with it) I do have some XP experience/knowledge.
>>>> Problem
>>>> is that one of the used machines I just purchased has XP on it because
>>>> that
>>>> is what was on it when I got it. Seems like it is not possible to
>>>> purchase
>>>> XP nowadays. It is all Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> A few friends here and there have had me come and look at their
>>>> Windows 7
>>>> machines. They think because I have a degree in CompSci/Math that I
>>>> know
>>>> everything there is to know about computers. I cannot make them
>>>> understand I
>>>> am a GUI programmer, database programmer, amateur DBA, and data
>>>> analyst. I
>>>> keep telling them I am not a technician but they will not believe
>>>> me. The
>>>> handful of times I've played around with a Windows 7 machine so far
>>>> I've
>>>> found it very counterintuitive and confusing. I do not like it at all!
>>>> Not
>>>> knowing much about XP anytime I've worked on an XP machine I've
>>>> typically
>>>> had little if any problems.
>>>>
>>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>>>> get XP
>>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>>>> to XP
>>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>>
>>>> Many Thanks,
>>>> -JC
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Take the plunge and go with 7, otherwise you'll be left far behind very
>>> quickly. 7 is the very best OS available today.
>>
>> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
>> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>>
>> If you migrate to ether Windows XP or 7, in time you will have the same
>> problem. Microsoft will quit supporting Windows 7 (XP will be killed in
>> 2014) and forces you to buy a new version.
>>
>> Beside that, migrating from Windows 98/2000 to ether Windows XP or 7 is
>> quite a culture shock. The GUI is totally different.
>>
>> So if you're at it, why not take the plunge and move to Ubuntu for
>> example?
>>
>> It saves you and your organization lots of licensing money (because it's
>> gratis and fully legal) and the amount of development tools (IDE's etc.)
>> available for GNU/Linux, will knock you off your socks ;-)
>>
>> You are still able to use Windows 98 if that is important. Simply
>> install Oracle VirtualBox (Desktop virtualisator) and install Windows 98
>> in a virtual machine.
>>
>> I've done it before and it worked flawlessly. And just to think I am
>> only a hobbyist home user ;-)
>>
>> You can have gratis support right here:
>>
>> http://ubuntuusers.de/
>>
>> or (if you are not German) here:
>>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
> Nobody is looking to downgrade, which is what you're recommending.

You are a Liar and a fraud!

I'm not interested in arguing with a religious "what ever company,
Operating System, distro" zealot :p

*plonk*

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|-|_|0| Registered GNU/Linux user 513040
|0|0|0| http://www.soundclick.com/martivanlin
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Marti van Lin wrote:
> Op 16-06-10 16:56, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/16/2010 4:27 AM, Marti van Lin wrote:
>>> Op 15-06-10 06:10, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2010 7:37 PM, JC wrote:
>>>>> First allow me to apologize as I am no USENET guru. Typically when I
>>>>> decide
>>>>> to make a post in hopes some kind soul(s) will give some input/feedback
>>>>> towards my interests/concerns I am clueless which group to post to.
>>>>> But I
>>>>> will say I generally get a positive reponse where ever I post.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the past five or so years I have used 2000 on my home machines.
>>>>> They
>>>>> actually still use 98 on the clients where I work (which is medical
>>>>> laboratory) with an antiquated Novell network o/s and Oracle DBMS on
>>>>> the
>>>>> server. This is primarily due to the fact that I have very antiquated
>>>>> tools
>>>>> (Visual Cafe for my IDE with SDK 1.1); my app will only run on 98
>>>>> machines.
>>>>> Anyway, that is neither here nor there.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is about Windows XP vs 7. I am at a point where I would
>>>>> like to
>>>>> upgrade my home machines to XP. Even though I've been using 2000 for
>>>>> so long
>>>>> (and very satisfied with it) I do have some XP experience/knowledge.
>>>>> Problem
>>>>> is that one of the used machines I just purchased has XP on it because
>>>>> that
>>>>> is what was on it when I got it. Seems like it is not possible to
>>>>> purchase
>>>>> XP nowadays. It is all Windows 7.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few friends here and there have had me come and look at their
>>>>> Windows 7
>>>>> machines. They think because I have a degree in CompSci/Math that I
>>>>> know
>>>>> everything there is to know about computers. I cannot make them
>>>>> understand I
>>>>> am a GUI programmer, database programmer, amateur DBA, and data
>>>>> analyst. I
>>>>> keep telling them I am not a technician but they will not believe
>>>>> me. The
>>>>> handful of times I've played around with a Windows 7 machine so far
>>>>> I've
>>>>> found it very counterintuitive and confusing. I do not like it at all!
>>>>> Not
>>>>> knowing much about XP anytime I've worked on an XP machine I've
>>>>> typically
>>>>> had little if any problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>>>>> get XP
>>>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>>>>> to XP
>>>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many Thanks,
>>>>> -JC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Take the plunge and go with 7, otherwise you'll be left far behind very
>>>> quickly. 7 is the very best OS available today.
>>>
>>> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
>>> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>>>
>>> If you migrate to ether Windows XP or 7, in time you will have the same
>>> problem. Microsoft will quit supporting Windows 7 (XP will be killed in
>>> 2014) and forces you to buy a new version.
>>>
>>> Beside that, migrating from Windows 98/2000 to ether Windows XP or 7 is
>>> quite a culture shock. The GUI is totally different.
>>>
>>> So if you're at it, why not take the plunge and move to Ubuntu for
>>> example?
>>>
>>> It saves you and your organization lots of licensing money (because it's
>>> gratis and fully legal) and the amount of development tools (IDE's etc.)
>>> available for GNU/Linux, will knock you off your socks ;-)
>>>
>>> You are still able to use Windows 98 if that is important. Simply
>>> install Oracle VirtualBox (Desktop virtualisator) and install Windows 98
>>> in a virtual machine.
>>>
>>> I've done it before and it worked flawlessly. And just to think I am
>>> only a hobbyist home user ;-)
>>>
>>> You can have gratis support right here:
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuusers.de/
>>>
>>> or (if you are not German) here:
>>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>>
>> Nobody is looking to downgrade, which is what you're recommending.
>
> You are a Liar and a fraud!

He's actually much worse.

>
> I'm not interested in arguing with a religious "what ever company,
> Operating System, distro" zealot :p
>
> *plonk*
>

And yet another person plonks Frank the Wank.

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F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 6/16/2010 9:30 AM, Marti van Lin wrote:
> Op 16-06-10 16:56, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/16/2010 4:27 AM, Marti van Lin wrote:
>>> Op 15-06-10 06:10, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2010 7:37 PM, JC wrote:
>>>>> First allow me to apologize as I am no USENET guru. Typically when I
>>>>> decide
>>>>> to make a post in hopes some kind soul(s) will give some input/feedback
>>>>> towards my interests/concerns I am clueless which group to post to.
>>>>> But I
>>>>> will say I generally get a positive reponse where ever I post.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the past five or so years I have used 2000 on my home machines.
>>>>> They
>>>>> actually still use 98 on the clients where I work (which is medical
>>>>> laboratory) with an antiquated Novell network o/s and Oracle DBMS on
>>>>> the
>>>>> server. This is primarily due to the fact that I have very antiquated
>>>>> tools
>>>>> (Visual Cafe for my IDE with SDK 1.1); my app will only run on 98
>>>>> machines.
>>>>> Anyway, that is neither here nor there.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is about Windows XP vs 7. I am at a point where I would
>>>>> like to
>>>>> upgrade my home machines to XP. Even though I've been using 2000 for
>>>>> so long
>>>>> (and very satisfied with it) I do have some XP experience/knowledge.
>>>>> Problem
>>>>> is that one of the used machines I just purchased has XP on it because
>>>>> that
>>>>> is what was on it when I got it. Seems like it is not possible to
>>>>> purchase
>>>>> XP nowadays. It is all Windows 7.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few friends here and there have had me come and look at their
>>>>> Windows 7
>>>>> machines. They think because I have a degree in CompSci/Math that I
>>>>> know
>>>>> everything there is to know about computers. I cannot make them
>>>>> understand I
>>>>> am a GUI programmer, database programmer, amateur DBA, and data
>>>>> analyst. I
>>>>> keep telling them I am not a technician but they will not believe
>>>>> me. The
>>>>> handful of times I've played around with a Windows 7 machine so far
>>>>> I've
>>>>> found it very counterintuitive and confusing. I do not like it at all!
>>>>> Not
>>>>> knowing much about XP anytime I've worked on an XP machine I've
>>>>> typically
>>>>> had little if any problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the question I guess: Is XP a thing of the past? Can I no longer
>>>>> get XP
>>>>> (it definitely is not in stores)? If I wanted to migrate the clients
>>>>> to XP
>>>>> at work would that not be possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many Thanks,
>>>>> -JC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Take the plunge and go with 7, otherwise you'll be left far behind very
>>>> quickly. 7 is the very best OS available today.
>>>
>>> Or why not take the plunge and go with GNU/Linux? which is - in contrast
>>> to any Microsoft Windows version - supported for all eternity.
>>>
>>> If you migrate to ether Windows XP or 7, in time you will have the same
>>> problem. Microsoft will quit supporting Windows 7 (XP will be killed in
>>> 2014) and forces you to buy a new version.
>>>
>>> Beside that, migrating from Windows 98/2000 to ether Windows XP or 7 is
>>> quite a culture shock. The GUI is totally different.
>>>
>>> So if you're at it, why not take the plunge and move to Ubuntu for
>>> example?
>>>
>>> It saves you and your organization lots of licensing money (because it's
>>> gratis and fully legal) and the amount of development tools (IDE's etc.)
>>> available for GNU/Linux, will knock you off your socks ;-)
>>>
>>> You are still able to use Windows 98 if that is important. Simply
>>> install Oracle VirtualBox (Desktop virtualisator) and install Windows 98
>>> in a virtual machine.
>>>
>>> I've done it before and it worked flawlessly. And just to think I am
>>> only a hobbyist home user ;-)
>>>
>>> You can have gratis support right here:
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuusers.de/
>>>
>>> or (if you are not German) here:
>>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>>
>> Nobody is looking to downgrade, which is what you're recommending.
>
> You are a Liar and a fraud!

Now you're projecting.
>
> I'm not interested in arguing with a religious "what ever company,
> Operating System, distro" zealot :p

Then take your own advice and stop doing it.
IOW's, STFU!
>
> *plonk*

hehehe...got your panties all in a bunch linturd?
>
 
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