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Vostro 3700 and Win7 32 vs 64 bit

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hamilton

Flightless Bird
Looking at the Dell web site for the Vostro 3700,
I see that Win7 32 or 64 bit can be selected.

Will all my 32-bit software run better/easier on the 32-bit system ?
( CAD, compilers, IDEs for embedded systems)

Will my old drivers run better on the 32-bit system ?

Thanks

hamilton
 
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Tim Slattery

Flightless Bird
hamilton <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote:

>Looking at the Dell web site for the Vostro 3700,
>I see that Win7 32 or 64 bit can be selected.
>
>Will all my 32-bit software run better/easier on the 32-bit system ?
>( CAD, compilers, IDEs for embedded systems)

A 64-bit system will be able to use more than 4GB of RAM, therefore it
will be able to keep more programs (64- or 32- bit) in memory
simultaneously. If you run many memory-intensive programs
concurrently, that could be a large help to you.

>Will my old drivers run better on the 32-bit system ?

You'll need 64-bit drivers for a 64-bit OS. 32-bit drivers won't work.

--
Tim Slattery
Slattery_T@bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
 
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Dave

Flightless Bird
"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
news:kptqu59405qdqjc82cmkcoa7bfo6f7tqmh@4ax.com...
> hamilton <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>>Looking at the Dell web site for the Vostro 3700,
>>I see that Win7 32 or 64 bit can be selected.
>>
>>Will all my 32-bit software run better/easier on the 32-bit system ?
>>( CAD, compilers, IDEs for embedded systems)
>
> A 64-bit system will be able to use more than 4GB of RAM, therefore it
> will be able to keep more programs (64- or 32- bit) in memory
> simultaneously. If you run many memory-intensive programs
> concurrently, that could be a large help to you.
>
>>Will my old drivers run better on the 32-bit system ?
>
> You'll need 64-bit drivers for a 64-bit OS. 32-bit drivers won't work.
>
> --
> Tim Slattery
> Slattery_T@bls.gov
> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

I think I remember a couple discussions on this issue, not positive if this
is correct or not, but there is a work-a-round for the 32 bit driver on a
64 bit OS issue. If you search the group you should be able to find those
posts.
HTH,
Dave
 
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DL

Flightless Bird
Since your old hardware may well need win7 drivers, 32 or 64bit 'old
drivers' may not come into it

"hamilton" <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:hsjsl5$ad9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Looking at the Dell web site for the Vostro 3700,
> I see that Win7 32 or 64 bit can be selected.
>
> Will all my 32-bit software run better/easier on the 32-bit system ?
> ( CAD, compilers, IDEs for embedded systems)
>
> Will my old drivers run better on the 32-bit system ?
>
> Thanks
>
> hamilton
 
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hamilton

Flightless Bird
On 5/14/2010 1:48 PM, DL wrote:
> Since your old hardware may well need win7 drivers, 32 or 64bit 'old
> drivers' may not come into it

Hmm, this is what I was worried about. (sort of).

I take it that M$ needs signed drivers to be able to install them.
I also take it, M$ is not in a hurry to help those with these kind of
driver problems.

Upgrading $10K for a new software package for W7 that works fine on XP,
kind of fails the useful test.

thanks

hamilton
 
M

MJMIII

Flightless Bird
"hamilton" <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:hskd0a$vd$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 5/14/2010 1:48 PM, DL wrote:
>> Since your old hardware may well need win7 drivers, 32 or 64bit 'old
>> drivers' may not come into it
>
> Hmm, this is what I was worried about. (sort of).
>
> I take it that M$ needs signed drivers to be able to install them.

No, but if you bypass the warning you'll be installing them at your own
risk.

> I also take it, M$ is not in a hurry to help those with these kind of
> driver problems.

Why does everyone assume Microsoft is responsible for every piece of
hardware made on the planet? Microsoft did leave an out of sorts. You
can right click the driver package and select XP mode to install. Doesn't
always work, though. Now I think I'll head over to GM to pick up parts for
my Chrysler. What???? They're both cars...

> Upgrading $10K for a new software package for W7 that works fine on XP,
> kind of fails the useful test.

Time to move into the 21st Century.

> thanks

All sarcasm aside, the hardware manufacturer is responsible for creating
drivers for new operating systems. If they don't it means they want you to
purchase new hardware from them.
--


"Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
 
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bb

Flightless Bird
"MJMIII" <balrog@castaway.net> wrote in message
news:_PydnTKS8ImWIHDWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> hardware made on the planet? Microsoft did leave an out of sorts. You
> can right click the driver package and select XP mode to install.

"XP Mode" is only free on W7 Pro, Enterprise and Ultimate. And to be
precise, XP Mode is a free version of XP SP3 that runs under MS virtual PC.

(On home premium, one can install the free MS Virtual PC and then install a
random copy of XP that you have the rights to install. The XP mode
download just makes it easier.)

XP Mode is basically a kludge, but one that works pretty good. With it I
was able to get a very old 16-bit 'mission critical' application to run that
would not under any combination of compatibility flags on this W7 64-bit
Enterprise version. XP Mode was also able to get my 32-bit scanner driver
to work on my no-longer-supported Epson scanner.

That said, I don't think that one feature is worth W7 Pro for the home
user - nor any of the other features of Pro.

-bb
 
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hamilton

Flightless Bird
On 5/16/2010 6:31 PM, bb wrote:
> "MJMIII" <balrog@castaway.net> wrote in message
> news:_PydnTKS8ImWIHDWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> hardware made on the planet? Microsoft did leave an out of sorts. You
>> can right click the driver package and select XP mode to install.
>
> "XP Mode" is only free on W7 Pro, Enterprise and Ultimate. And to be
> precise, XP Mode is a free version of XP SP3 that runs under MS virtual PC.

Does this work better under W7-32bit or W7-64-bit ?

My CAD software works very well under XP, I am concerned about W7.

The Dell Vostro 3700 has W7-32 and W7-63 as options.

Which will be better for me ?

Thanks

hamilton

>
> (On home premium, one can install the free MS Virtual PC and then
> install a random copy of XP that you have the rights to install. The XP
> mode download just makes it easier.)
>
> XP Mode is basically a kludge, but one that works pretty good. With it I
> was able to get a very old 16-bit 'mission critical' application to run
> that would not under any combination of compatibility flags on this W7
> 64-bit Enterprise version. XP Mode was also able to get my 32-bit
> scanner driver to work on my no-longer-supported Epson scanner.
>
> That said, I don't think that one feature is worth W7 Pro for the home
> user - nor any of the other features of Pro.
>
> -bb
 
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Dominique

Flightless Bird
hamilton <hamilton@nothere.com> écrivait
news:hsq8hb$jlu$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> On 5/16/2010 6:31 PM, bb wrote:
>> "MJMIII" <balrog@castaway.net> wrote in message
>> news:_PydnTKS8ImWIHDWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> hardware made on the planet? Microsoft did leave an out of sorts.
>>> You can right click the driver package and select XP mode to
>>> install.
>>
>> "XP Mode" is only free on W7 Pro, Enterprise and Ultimate. And to be
>> precise, XP Mode is a free version of XP SP3 that runs under MS
>> virtual PC.
>
> Does this work better under W7-32bit or W7-64-bit ?
>
> My CAD software works very well under XP, I am concerned about W7.
>
> The Dell Vostro 3700 has W7-32 and W7-63 as options.
>
> Which will be better for me ?
>
> Thanks
>
> hamilton
>
>>
>> (On home premium, one can install the free MS Virtual PC and then
>> install a random copy of XP that you have the rights to install. The
>> XP mode download just makes it easier.)
>>
>> XP Mode is basically a kludge, but one that works pretty good. With
>> it I was able to get a very old 16-bit 'mission critical' application
>> to run that would not under any combination of compatibility flags on
>> this W7 64-bit Enterprise version. XP Mode was also able to get my
>> 32-bit scanner driver to work on my no-longer-supported Epson
>> scanner.
>>
>> That said, I don't think that one feature is worth W7 Pro for the
>> home user - nor any of the other features of Pro.
>>
>> -bb
>
>

What is your CAD software?

My experience with softwares (music production) is : a "dot" update is
free (8.0 to 8.5), I pay much less for an upgrade (8.0 to 9.0) than a new
user and when 64 bits version are released I can get them for free if
it's at the same version level that I currently have (8.0-32 bits to 8.5-
64bits). FWIW when 64 bits version are released, I can get both 32 and 64
bits withaout paying more.

Of course that policy might vary from one company to another but so far,
for me, it's been consistent with 3 music software companies and a few
other utilities software companies.

My point is that it shouldn't cost you $10k to get your $10k worth of
software to run under Win7-64bits, you should contact the companies that
makes your softwares to know their policy, and as mention by others, you
can run XP mode with Win7 Pro or higher.

HTH
 
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hamilton

Flightless Bird
On 5/17/2010 12:09 PM, Dominique wrote:

> What is your CAD software?
>
> My experience with softwares (music production) is : a "dot" update is
> free (8.0 to 8.5), I pay much less for an upgrade (8.0 to 9.0) than a new
> user and when 64 bits version are released I can get them for free if
> it's at the same version level that I currently have (8.0-32 bits to 8.5-
> 64bits). FWIW when 64 bits version are released, I can get both 32 and 64
> bits withaout paying more.
>
> Of course that policy might vary from one company to another but so far,
> for me, it's been consistent with 3 music software companies and a few
> other utilities software companies.
>
> My point is that it shouldn't cost you $10k to get your $10k worth of
> software to run under Win7-64bits, you should contact the companies that
> makes your softwares to know their policy, and as mention by others, you
> can run XP mode with Win7 Pro or higher.
>
> HTH

I have not kept up to date on Altium.

The only way to get their 64-bit version is to pay full price.

They had changed their pricing from Ale-cart to full package only.

This is why I have a problem with an OS subverting my software.

hamilton
 
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w7pro

Flightless Bird
I thought that perhaps some information on Windows XP Mode might help in your conversation. For programs that will not run in Windows 7 there is the Windows XP Mode feature. It opens apps in a window that looks like Windows XP, with the performance speed of Windows 7 Pro. There's a video demo at bit.ly/Win7ProXPMode and more detailed info at bit.ly/WinXPMode.
 
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hamilton

Flightless Bird
On 6/10/2010 9:58 AM, undisclosed wrote:
> I thought that perhaps some information on Windows XP Mode might help in
> your conversation. For programs that will not run in Windows 7 there
> is the Windows XP Mode feature. It opens apps in a window that looks
> like Windows XP, with the performance speed of Windows 7 Pro. There's a
> video demo at 'bit.ly/Win7ProXPMode' (http://bit.ly/Win7ProXPMode) and
> more detailed info at 'bit.ly/WinXPMode' (http://bit.ly/WinXPMode).
>
>

My concern is the USB drivers that my emulators/programmers use.

I have invested lots of money in development tools for embedded use.

This is not just software, its hardware dongles that have drivers.

thanks

hamilton
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 6/10/2010 8:58 AM, undisclosed wrote:
> I thought that perhaps some information on Windows XP Mode might help in
> your conversation. For programs that will not run in Windows 7 there
> is the Windows XP Mode feature. It opens apps in a window that looks
> like Windows XP,...

It looks like XP because it is XP.

with the performance speed of Windows 7 Pro. There's a
> video demo at 'bit.ly/Win7ProXPMode' (http://bit.ly/Win7ProXPMode) and
> more detailed info at 'bit.ly/WinXPMode' (http://bit.ly/WinXPMode).
>
>
 
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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
> It looks like XP because it is XP.

You just showed how little or nothing you know about it. Emulating XP is not XP as
you seem to be misunderstanding

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
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"Frank" <fb@amk.cmo> wrote in message news:4c1111f9@news.x-privat.org...
> On 6/10/2010 8:58 AM, undisclosed wrote:
>> I thought that perhaps some information on Windows XP Mode might help in
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 6/10/2010 10:50 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>> It looks like XP because it is XP.
>
> You just showed how little or nothing you know about it.

You just showed that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Emulating XP is
> not XP as you seem to be misunderstanding.

Read'em and weep...FOOL!!!

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

XP mode in W 7 requires you dl an activated copy of XP, so you are
actually running XP.
Got it!
Now shove you head back up your ignorant ass where it belongs.
 
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Peter

Flightless Bird
Frank wrote:
> On 6/10/2010 10:50 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>>> It looks like XP because it is XP.
>>
>> You just showed how little or nothing you know about it.
>
> You just showed that you have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> Emulating XP is
>> not XP as you seem to be misunderstanding.
>
> Read'em and weep...FOOL!!!
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
>
> XP mode in W 7 requires you dl an activated copy of XP, so you are
> actually running XP.
> Got it!
> Now shove you head back up your ignorant ass where it belongs.
>
>

You're wrong:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx

XP MODE is not the same as regular XP.

From the FAQs:

"It utilizes virtualization technology, such as Windows Virtual PC, to
provide a virtual Windows XP environment for Windows 7."

--
Peter
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:14:29 +0200, Peter wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>> On 6/10/2010 10:50 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>>>> It looks like XP because it is XP.
>>>
>>> You just showed how little or nothing you know about it.
>>
>> You just showed that you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>
>> Emulating XP is
>>> not XP as you seem to be misunderstanding.
>>
>> Read'em and weep...FOOL!!!
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
>>
>> XP mode in W 7 requires you dl an activated copy of XP, so you are
>> actually running XP.
>> Got it!
>> Now shove you head back up your ignorant ass where it belongs.
>>
>>
>
> You're wrong:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx
>
> XP MODE is not the same as regular XP.
>
> From the FAQs:
>
> "It utilizes virtualization technology, such as Windows Virtual PC, to
> provide a virtual Windows XP environment for Windows 7."

Translation: It is precisely Windows XP, which happens to be running in a
virtual *machine*. That's how I did it on my Mac when I had one, and I do
it that way now under Windows 7. What is virtual is the machine, not the
OS.

In both cases I did it because I had/have software or drivers that weren't
available or didn't work under the parent OS but work fine under XP.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
peter folds insists on making a fool out of himself...!

On 6/10/2010 11:14 AM, Peter wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> On 6/10/2010 10:50 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>>>> It looks like XP because it is XP.
>>>
>>> You just showed how little or nothing you know about it.
>>
>> You just showed that you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>
>> Emulating XP is
>>> not XP as you seem to be misunderstanding.
>>
>> Read'em and weep...FOOL!!!
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
>>
>> XP mode in W 7 requires you dl an activated copy of XP, so you are
>> actually running XP.
>> Got it!
>> Now shove you head back up your ignorant ass where it belongs.
>>
>>
>
> You're wrong:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/faq.aspx
>
> XP MODE is not the same as regular XP.

Sorry, but it is because it is an actual copy of XP Pro.
You failed to read the faq's completely.


"Q:Does Windows XP Mode come with Windows Virtual PC?

No. Windows XP Mode, a single virtual copy of Windows XP Service Pack 3,
is available for download free of charge from
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/default.aspx for PCs running
Windows 7 Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, and Windows 7 Enterprise."

>
> From the FAQs:
>
> "It utilizes virtualization technology, such as Windows Virtual PC, to
> provide a virtual Windows XP environment for Windows 7."
>
Hahaha...got anything you care to bet?
I have two copies of XP Virtual PC installed. One on a desktop and one
on my laptop.
How many do you have installed? None, I'm sure otherwise you wouldn't be
making a fool out of yourself.

When you install XP Virtual, Microsoft provides a "COMPLETE, ACTIVATED
COPY OF XP PRO" that you must dl and install in order to run XP Mode.
You then update it as you would any stand alone copy of XP.
You are then running an actual copy of XP Pro in Windows 7.
Got it, fool!!!
 
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hamilton

Flightless Bird
On 6/10/2010 10:24 AM, hamilton wrote:
> On 6/10/2010 9:58 AM, undisclosed wrote:
>> I thought that perhaps some information on Windows XP Mode might help in
>> your conversation. For programs that will not run in Windows 7 there
>> is the Windows XP Mode feature. It opens apps in a window that looks
>> like Windows XP, with the performance speed of Windows 7 Pro. There's a
>> video demo at 'bit.ly/Win7ProXPMode' (http://bit.ly/Win7ProXPMode) and
>> more detailed info at 'bit.ly/WinXPMode' (http://bit.ly/WinXPMode).
>>
>>
>
> My concern is the USB drivers that my emulators/programmers use.
>
> I have invested lots of money in development tools for embedded use.
>
> This is not just software, its hardware dongles that have drivers.
>
> thanks
>
> hamilton
>
>
OK, so XP does run under W7.

Back to my concern, please.

Will the drivers for my USB devices run properly under emulation under W7 ?

Thanks

hamilton
 
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Peter

Flightless Bird
Re: peter folds insists on making a fool out of himself...!

Frank wrote:

> You are then running an actual copy of XP Pro in Windows 7.
> Got it, fool!!!
>

Virtual copy. For all practical purposes, however, they are the same as
you state.

--
Peter
 
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