Vanishing Newsgroups

[Miles]

* ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote, On 10-Jul-10 15:07:
> Bill in Co wrote:
>>> I'm not convinced they are all leaving. Hopefully some of the most
>>> helpful ones will stick around on the real newgroups (via another
>>> nntp server), and not this newage, web page forum thing.
>>>
>
> that eternal.september thing (from a support NG standpoint) is ridiculous.
> No moderation, all advertising - at best!!!
>
>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>> so much for believing I was doing so well! What will "we" do
>>>> without our mentors???
>>>>
>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>> See http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE General, OE General, OE6, Windows Update, Win98 General,&
>>>>>> WLMessenger were some of the newsgroups dropped late last week.
>>>>>> IE6 was dropped in early June.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> Can anyone inform me , from my return from holiday I find I have
>>>>>>> lost newsgroups like windows outlook express, Hardware, and ie6
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ciao -
>>>>
>>>> CarolJhThompson
>>>> "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are
>>>> spiritual beings having a human experience ( Pierre Teilhard de
>>>> Chardin)."
>
>
You must be listening to the wrong newsgroups. I subscribe to 9 NG's
under infernal September and rarely see an advertisement. Admittedly
none are MSFT

 

[Bruce Hagen]

"Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:-IednbdW6OFxOafRnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:TYWdnRYb7qULEqfRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and
>>>>> the
>>>>> 2
>>>>> I
>>>>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for
>>>>> people
>>>>> that one is.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be
>>>>> 'moving'
>>>>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via Eternal
>>>> September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do on the
>>>> msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing more.
>>>> Nothing
>>>> less.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right), she
>>> could subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any NNTP bridge
>>> as long as she has signed up for Eternal September (or some other NNTP
>>> server).
>>>
>>> So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for anything,
>>> when one can access the newsgroups directly, from any available NNTP
>>> server?
>>>
>>> Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are added,
>>> they will never be added to the existing NNTP servers.
>>>
>>> Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the
>>> forums
>>> over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like???
>>
>>
>> The NNTP Bridge is a 'back door' to the Microsoft Answers news forums.
>> The
>> are completely different than the Usenet groups you are accoustomed to.
>> None of the NNTP newsgroups are the same as the MS Answers forums.
>>
>> While the current newsgroups will be available on non-MS servers for
>> perhaps a long time, I forsee a lot less legitimate posts and more spam
>> &
>> trolls as time goes on.
>>
>> Just to give you an idea, the top group here is MS Answers Forums as
>> they
>> look using the bridge. The second group of 3 newsgroups are currently
>> still on the MS servers, and the last group is the MS newsgroups via
>> Eternal September. Note there is no similarity between the forums and
>> newsgroup names.
>>
>> http://i32.tinypic.com/4jw7sn.png
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>
> Thanks for sending that picture to give me some idea, Bruce.
> From what I can see and tell, I'm just not impressed with the
> abandonment of the newsgroups, however. I just don't see how this is
> benefiting anyone, and that screenshot just further illustrates my
> point. I mean, just look at all the specific NNTP subgroups that don't
> appear or have a direct counterpart in the MS Answers Forums. Those
> "MS Answers Fforums" seem to be more broadly classified, with a bunch of
> stuff thrown into one category.
>


You got that all correct, and I don't like the change either. But, when
life deals you lemonade, MS turns it into lemons. I either evolve, or go
fishing more.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

 

[~*Laughingstar*~]

Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:-IednbdW6OFxOafRnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:TYWdnRYb7qULEqfRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>>>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>>>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups
>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great
>>>>>>> help for people
>>>>>>> that one is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be
>>>>>>> 'moving'
>>>>>>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via
>>>>>> Eternal September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do
>>>>>> on the msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing
>>>>>> more. Nothing
>>>>>> less.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right),
>>>>> she could subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any
>>>>> NNTP bridge as long as she has signed up for Eternal September
>>>>> (or some other NNTP server).
>>>>>
>>>>> So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for
>>>>> anything, when one can access the newsgroups directly, from any
>>>>> available NNTP server?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are
>>>>> added, they will never be added to the existing NNTP servers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the
>>>>> forums
>>>>> over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The NNTP Bridge is a 'back door' to the Microsoft Answers news
>>>> forums. The
>>>> are completely different than the Usenet groups you are
>>>> accoustomed to. None of the NNTP newsgroups are the same as the MS
>>>> Answers forums.
>>>>
>>>> While the current newsgroups will be available on non-MS servers
>>>> for perhaps a long time, I forsee a lot less legitimate posts and
>>>> more spam &
>>>> trolls as time goes on.
>>>>
>>>> Just to give you an idea, the top group here is MS Answers Forums
>>>> as they
>>>> look using the bridge. The second group of 3 newsgroups are
>>>> currently still on the MS servers, and the last group is the MS
>>>> newsgroups via Eternal September. Note there is no similarity
>>>> between the forums and newsgroup names.
>>>>
>>>> http://i32.tinypic.com/4jw7sn.png
>>>> --
>>>> Bruce Hagen
>>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>
>>> Thanks for sending that picture to give me some idea, Bruce.
>>> From what I can see and tell, I'm just not impressed with the
>>> abandonment of the newsgroups, however. I just don't see how this
>>> is benefiting anyone, and that screenshot just further illustrates
>>> my point. I mean, just look at all the specific NNTP subgroups
>>> that don't appear or have a direct counterpart in the MS Answers
>>> Forums. Those "MS Answers Fforums" seem to be more broadly
>>> classified, with a bunch of stuff thrown into one category.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You got that all correct, and I don't like the change either. But,
>> when life deals you lemonade, MS turns it into lemons. I either
>> evolve, or go fishing more.
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA

Now, as you' can see from what I'm told, my sig component in OE isn't
working right - and nothing's checked! Woe is me - just when I need'ja . . .
but agree with the lemonade solution, Bruce - no pun intended. Moi

 

[Spamlet]

"~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
news:u$2$86WILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Bill in Co wrote:
>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums, too, LS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as I did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>>>>>>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP
>>>>>>>>> newsgroups remain active?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the
>>>>>>>>> issue of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE,
>>>>>>>>> at the Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>>>>>>>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet
>>>>>>> groups....$2.99 a month subscription plan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "http/tinyurl.com/22qy3xx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They seem to be in better control of spam..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Giganews has a LOT of newsgroups (and that price is nice)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still have an account with Earthlink, that offers the NNTP
>>>>>> newsgroups (which I think is indirectly handled through Giganews).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there are several newsgroup servers available (a free one is
>>>>>> nntp.aioe.org) that you could sign-up for. Another free one may
>>>>>> be free.teranews.com, as I recall, or pay a small monthly fee and
>>>>>> get even better service (like with Giganews - $2.99 a month ain't
>>>>>> bad!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed
>>>>>>> to be discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS
>>>>>>> doesn't *seem* to be saying those still using XP/OE won't be
>>>>>>> able to do so...it will just be at their own risk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I still plan on using OE (and XP) well beyond 2014, so
>>>>>> that's a non-issue for me, and many, I expect. True, MS support
>>>>>> may be discontinued then, but there are other support avenues
>>>>>> available, like these newsgroups, or the forums allegedly
>>>>>> replacing them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself.
>>>>>>> When I select
>>>>>>> "News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for newsgroups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right. I don't have Outlook installed, and just use Outlook
>>>>>> Express for mail and news, which is fine by me (I don't need the
>>>>>> extra bells and whistles of Outlook).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's shame
>>>>>>> to break up
>>>>>>> a supportive group like we had here -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there, somehow??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, but there is this other option I mentioned - just go to
>>>>>> another newsgroup provider (like nntp.aioe.org, or
>>>>>> free.teranews.com, or Giganews, etc), where you can still access
>>>>>> the microsoft.public newsgroups. Either that, or we'll all end
>>>>>> up on the forums.
>>>>
>>>> Is this separation anxiety? Methinks so. . .
>>>
>>> Maybe. And all to what purpose? (since the NNTP format
>>> seems generally preferable)
>>>
>>>> I'll miss those I've trusted.
>>>
>>> But some of them are still here! Although it sounds like some are
>>> abandoning the newsgroups, and going over to the forums.
>>>
>>> And what is also annoying is that some older newsgroups dedicated to
>>> specific topics like Windows98, don't seem to have any counterparts
>>> on the more generically-categorized forums, at least when I looked
>>> at the web page access through that link I mentioned. There is no
>>> forum for Win98, for example.
>
> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and the 2 I
> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for
> people
> that one is.
>
> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be 'moving'
> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
>

I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all?

S

 

[~*Laughingstar*~]

Spamlet wrote:
>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums, too, LS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pane, as I did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cave.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP
>>>>>>>>>>> newsgroups remain active?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still
>>>>>>>>>>> the issue of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in
>>>>>>>>>>> IE, at the Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet
>>>>>>>>> groups....$2.99 a month subscription plan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "http/tinyurl.com/22qy3xx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They seem to be in better control of spam..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Giganews has a LOT of newsgroups (and that price is nice)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still have an account with Earthlink, that offers the NNTP
>>>>>>>> newsgroups (which I think is indirectly handled through
>>>>>>>> Giganews).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But there are several newsgroup servers available (a free one
>>>>>>>> is nntp.aioe.org) that you could sign-up for. Another free
>>>>>>>> one may be free.teranews.com, as I recall, or pay a small
>>>>>>>> monthly fee and get even better service (like with Giganews -
>>>>>>>> $2.99 a month ain't bad!).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed
>>>>>>>>> to be discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS
>>>>>>>>> doesn't *seem* to be saying those still using XP/OE won't be
>>>>>>>>> able to do so...it will just be at their own risk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, I still plan on using OE (and XP) well beyond 2014, so
>>>>>>>> that's a non-issue for me, and many, I expect. True, MS
>>>>>>>> support may be discontinued then, but there are other support
>>>>>>>> avenues available, like these newsgroups, or the forums
>>>>>>>> allegedly replacing them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself.
>>>>>>>>> When I select
>>>>>>>>> "News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for
>>>>>>>>> newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right. I don't have Outlook installed, and just use Outlook
>>>>>>>> Express for mail and news, which is fine by me (I don't need
>>>>>>>> the extra bells and whistles of Outlook).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's
>>>>>>>>> shame to break up
>>>>>>>>> a supportive group like we had here -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there,
>>>>>>>>> somehow??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, but there is this other option I mentioned - just go to
>>>>>>>> another newsgroup provider (like nntp.aioe.org, or
>>>>>>>> free.teranews.com, or Giganews, etc), where you can still
>>>>>>>> access the microsoft.public newsgroups. Either that, or we'll
>>>>>>>> all end up on the forums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this separation anxiety? Methinks so. . .
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe. And all to what purpose? (since the NNTP format
>>>>> seems generally preferable)
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll miss those I've trusted.
>>>>>
>>>>> But some of them are still here! Although it sounds like some
>>>>> are abandoning the newsgroups, and going over to the forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what is also annoying is that some older newsgroups dedicated
>>>>> to specific topics like Windows98, don't seem to have any
>>>>> counterparts on the more generically-categorized forums, at least
>>>>> when I looked at the web page access through that link I
>>>>> mentioned. There is no forum for Win98, for example.
>>>
>>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and
>>> the 2 I went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great
>>> help for people
>>> that one is.
>>>
>>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be
>>> 'moving' over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
>>>
>>
>> I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all?
>>
>> S

Let me qualify what I mentioned previously/earlier hereon -- that was in
their "support" groups; I've not been to their MS sections, yet.

 

[Daave]

~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
> Spamlet wrote:

>>> I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all?
>>>
>>> S
>
> Let me qualify what I mentioned previously/earlier hereon -- that was
> in their "support" groups; I've not been to their MS sections, yet.

Then unsubscribe from the E-S "support" groups (I don't subscribe to
them) and go to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and the other MS
groups of your choice. No spam.

 

[Steve Cochran]

You have to sign on with a "Windows Live" ID (same as "passport" ID was), but that's all. Try using the HTTP interface and you will be overjoyed with the Bridge approach.

steve

"Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:Ta6dnSmmKa4MwqTRnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> --
>> ~Robear
>
> I took a look at the web based versions for support directly in IE (without
> using the bridge), and wasn't impressed. just seems like too much eye
> candy. I think the web page forum format gets in the way of simply - and
> directly - handling the support messages, but maybe some like it. Perhaps
> the newbies(?)
>
> Just for kicks, I also looked at the replacement "Community Forums NNTP
> Bridge Server", which is supposed to be an improvement over the regular MS
> NNTP bridge, and noticed it requires .NET Framework 3.5!!! Egads!
>
> But no matter what version of NNTP bridge you use (should you decide to go
> that way), you apparently have to sign up for some arcane Microsoft service
> (I can't recall the name now), which seems a bit of a nuisance too.
>
>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

But do check to see what your via NNTP posts look like (formatting) in the
forum itself from time to time, please. You may be very surprised at what
you see.

And please remember to poll the forums for the most recent posts before you
start replying via NNTP Bridge. I'm seeing way too many posts being made
that clearly show the sender's not read all of the replies to the thread
yet.


Steve Cochran wrote:
> You have to sign on with a "Windows Live" ID (same as "passport" ID was),
> but that's all. Try using the HTTP interface and you will be overjoyed
> with the Bridge approach.
>
>> I took a look at the web based versions for support directly in IE
>> (without
>> using the bridge), and wasn't impressed. just seems like too much eye
>> candy. I think the web page forum format gets in the way of simply -
>> and
>> directly - handling the support messages, but maybe some like it.
>> Perhaps
>> the newbies(?)
>>
>> Just for kicks, I also looked at the replacement "Community Forums NNTP
>> Bridge Server", which is supposed to be an improvement over the regular
>> MS
>> NNTP bridge, and noticed it requires .NET Framework 3.5!!! Egads!
>>
>> But no matter what version of NNTP bridge you use (should you decide to
>> go
>> that way), you apparently have to sign up for some arcane Microsoft
>> service
>> (I can't recall the name now), which seems a bit of a nuisance too.

 

[~*Laughingstar*~]

top-post: aren't we supposed to post below the comment we're responding
to??

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> But do check to see what your via NNTP posts look like (formatting)
>> in the forum itself from time to time, please. You may be very
>> surprised at what you see.
>>
>> And please remember to poll the forums for the most recent posts
>> before you start replying via NNTP Bridge. I'm seeing way too many
>> posts being made that clearly show the sender's not read all of the
>> replies to the thread yet.
>>
>>
>> Steve Cochran wrote:
>>> You have to sign on with a "Windows Live" ID (same as "passport" ID
>>> was), but that's all. Try using the HTTP interface and you will be
>>> overjoyed with the Bridge approach.
>>>
>>>> I took a look at the web based versions for support directly in IE
>>>> (without
>>>> using the bridge), and wasn't impressed. just seems like too
>>>> much eye candy. I think the web page forum format gets in the
>>>> way of simply - and
>>>> directly - handling the support messages, but maybe some like it.
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> the newbies(?)
>>>>
>>>> Just for kicks, I also looked at the replacement "Community Forums
>>>> NNTP Bridge Server", which is supposed to be an improvement over
>>>> the regular MS
>>>> NNTP bridge, and noticed it requires .NET Framework 3.5!!! Egads!
>>>>
>>>> But no matter what version of NNTP bridge you use (should you
>>>> decide to go
>>>> that way), you apparently have to sign up for some arcane Microsoft
>>>> service
>>>> (I can't recall the name now), which seems a bit of a nuisance too.

 

[~*Laughingstar*~]

Daave wrote:
>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>> Spamlet wrote:
>>
>>>>> I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all?
>>>>>
>>>>> S
>>>
>>> Let me qualify what I mentioned previously/earlier hereon -- that
>>> was in their "support" groups; I've not been to their MS sections,
>>> yet.
>>
>> Then unsubscribe from the E-S "support" groups (I don't subscribe to
>> them) and go to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and the other MS
>> groups of your choice. No spam.

sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.

 

[Bruce Hagen]

"~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
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> Daave wrote:
>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>> Spamlet wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S
>>>>
>>>> Let me qualify what I mentioned previously/earlier hereon -- that
>>>> was in their "support" groups; I've not been to their MS sections,
>>>> yet.
>>>
>>> Then unsubscribe from the E-S "support" groups (I don't subscribe to
>>> them) and go to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and the other MS
>>> groups of your choice. No spam.
>
> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.
>
>


Sure it is. I'm posting using it.

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Imperial Beach, CA

 

[Daave]

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
> news:uniDCrpILHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Daave wrote:
>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>> Spamlet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> S
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me qualify what I mentioned previously/earlier hereon -- that
>>>>> was in their "support" groups; I've not been to their MS sections,
>>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> Then unsubscribe from the E-S "support" groups (I don't subscribe
>>>> to them) and go to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and the
>>>> other MS groups of your choice. No spam.
>>
>> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.
>>
>>
>
>
> Sure it is. I'm posting using it.

Ditto.

> Right click on news.eterrnal-september.org in the folder tree and then
> Newsgroups. Click Reset List first and then search for: xp.gen

 

[Nil]

On 13 Jul 2010, "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com>
wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.

By my rough count, there are more than 1600 microsoft.public groups
offered by eternal-september, including this one (obviously.)

 

[~*Laughingstar*~]

Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>> news:uniDCrpILHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Daave wrote:
>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>> Spamlet wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> S
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me qualify what I mentioned previously/earlier hereon -- that
>>>>>> was in their "support" groups; I've not been to their MS
>>>>>> sections, yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then unsubscribe from the E-S "support" groups (I don't subscribe
>>>>> to them) and go to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and the
>>>>> other MS groups of your choice. No spam.
>>>
>>> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sure it is. I'm posting using it.
>>
>> -------------------
>> Path: eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>> From: "Bruce Hagen"
>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005
>>
>> Xref: eternal-september.org microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:78566
>> ------------------
>>
>> Right click on news.eterrnal-september.org in the folder tree and
>> then Newsgroups. Click Reset List first and then search for: xp.gen
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA

Did that - only 10 in the list that comes up.

 

[~*Laughingstar*~]

Nil wrote:
>> On 13 Jul 2010, "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com>
>> wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>>
>>> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.
>>
>> By my rough count, there are more than 1600 microsoft.public groups
>> offered by eternal-september, including this one (obviously.)

I'm perplexed - they don't come up on mine computer. Wonder if I have all
the settings in correctly - but have 10 showing.

 

[Daave]

~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uniDCrpILHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Daave wrote:
>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>> Spamlet wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm reading all this in E-S and don't see any spam at all?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> S
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me qualify what I mentioned previously/earlier hereon --
>>>>>>> that was in their "support" groups; I've not been to their MS
>>>>>>> sections, yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then unsubscribe from the E-S "support" groups (I don't subscribe
>>>>>> to them) and go to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and the
>>>>>> other MS groups of your choice. No spam.
>>>>
>>>> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure it is. I'm posting using it.
>>>
>>> -------------------
>>> Path: eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>> From: "Bruce Hagen"
>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005
>>>
>>> Xref: eternal-september.org microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:78566
>>> ------------------
>>>
>>> Right click on news.eterrnal-september.org in the folder tree and
>>> then Newsgroups. Click Reset List first and then search for: xp.gen
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hagen
>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>
> Did that - only 10 in the list that comes up.

10 what?

Currently, there are 26 microsoft.public.windowsxp groups being carried
by E-S, including this one (general). There are *many* other
microsoft.public groups as well.

Make sure you have selected the All tab (instead of the Subscibed one)!
You may need to reset as well.

E-S is highly recommended. Although there is a registration process, the
service is free. I hardly ever see SPAM posts.

 

[Bert Hyman]

In news:uawXP2qILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl "~*Laughingstar*~"
<tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote:

> Nil wrote:
>>> On 13 Jul 2010, "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com>
>>> wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>>>
>>>> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.
>>>
>>> By my rough count, there are more than 1600 microsoft.public groups
>>> offered by eternal-september, including this one (obviously.)

I see 1772 at the moment.

My own ISP manages to come up with 2601.

I'm sure many, if not most, of them are empty or otherwise worthless.

Microsoft itself has trimmed down to just 214 groups.

> I'm perplexed - they don't come up on mine computer. Wonder if I have
> all the settings in correctly - but have 10 showing.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com

 

[Bruce Hagen]

>>>> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure it is. I'm posting using it.
>>>
>>> -------------------
>>> Path: eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>> From: "Bruce Hagen"
>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005
>>>
>>> Xref: eternal-september.org microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:78566
>>> ------------------
>>>
>>> Right click on news.eterrnal-september.org in the folder tree and
>>> then Newsgroups. Click Reset List first and then search for: xp.gen
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hagen
>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>
> Did that - only 10 in the list that comes up.
>


Look here:
http://i28.tinypic.com/2v8pnk8.png
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

 

[Nil]

On 13 Jul 2010, "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com>
wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> I'm perplexed - they don't come up on mine computer. Wonder if I
> have all the settings in correctly - but have 10 showing.

You need to read the instructions on their web site. You probably
aren't authenticating with your ID and password properly. You can also
scan through the e-t help groups, which you probably are able to see -
yours is a common complaint by people who are not set up correctly.

 

[~*Laughingstar*~]

Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>>>> sorry, Dave, that isn't on the list of available 'groups' in E-S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure it is. I'm posting using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------
>>>>> Path: eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>>>> From: "Bruce Hagen"
>>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005
>>>>>
>>>>> Xref: eternal-september.org
>>>>> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:78566 ------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Right click on news.eterrnal-september.org in the folder tree and
>>>>> then Newsgroups. Click Reset List first and then search for:
>>>>> xp.gen --
>>>>> Bruce Hagen
>>>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>
>>> Did that - only 10 in the list that comes up.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Look here:
>> http://i28.tinypic.com/2v8pnk8.png
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA

oh my, not on mine