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Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> --
> ~Robear

I took a look at the web based versions for support directly in IE (without
using the bridge), and wasn't impressed. just seems like too much eye
candy. I think the web page forum format gets in the way of simply - and
directly - handling the support messages, but maybe some like it. Perhaps
the newbies(?)

Just for kicks, I also looked at the replacement "Community Forums NNTP
Bridge Server", which is supposed to be an improvement over the regular MS
NNTP bridge, and noticed it requires .NET Framework 3.5!!! Egads!

But no matter what version of NNTP bridge you use (should you decide to go
that way), you apparently have to sign up for some arcane Microsoft service
(I can't recall the name now), which seems a bit of a nuisance too.
 
L

~*Laughingstar*~

Flightless Bird
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> I always have wonderful help from PA Bear, John, Vanguard, MVP, and
>>> database
>>> ben, et al. . . no complaints here!!!
>>
>> [Robear] Don't forget Bruce in OE General newsgroup!
>>

;-)) Of course not.
>
> PS: Thanks for all your very kind words in this thread.

the most you' receive, is the least you deserve.

>> --
>> ~Robear
 
R

Roger

Flightless Bird
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>
> Internet Explorer =>
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>
> Outlook Express, etc. =>
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>
> Windows Update =>
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>
> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums, too, LS.
>
>
[Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I did with
my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed msnews.microsoft.com only this
group heading left on it

Roger
 
L

~*Laughingstar*~

Flightless Bird
Roger wrote:
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>
>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>
>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>
>>> Windows Update =>
>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>
>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums,
>>> too, LS.
>>>
>>>
>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I
>> did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>
>> Roger

Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave. :-(
 
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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Install the NNTP Bridge

Please take a look at: http://communitybridge.codeplex.com for details and
the current download.



--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Roger" <Monkey@Zoo.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:%233576aQILHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>
>> Internet Explorer =>
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>
>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>
>> Windows Update =>
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>
>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums, too, LS.
>>
>>
> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I did with my MS
> NG's e g I have at moment listed msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading
> left on it
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
 
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Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
But it requires installing .NET Framework 3.5 (and a pretty large app, at
over 200 MB!), as I recall. .NET 2.0 won't cut it. And that could be a
concern, no? (I thought I recall someone mentioning some issue with that
on fileforum, like it broke some of his existing 2.0 apps, or that some
existing apps using .NET now ran slower? I can't recall.

What was the service that Microsoft requires you to register for, to be able
to use it?

Peter Foldes wrote:
> Install the NNTP Bridge
>
> Please take a look at: http://communitybridge.codeplex.com for details and
> the current download.
>
>
>
> --
> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>
> "Roger" <Monkey@Zoo.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:%233576aQILHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>
>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>
>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>
>>> Windows Update =>
>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>
>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums, too, LS.
>>>
>>>
>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I did
>> with
>> my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed msnews.microsoft.com only this
>> group heading left on it
>>
>> Roger
 
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Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
> Roger wrote:
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>
>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>
>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>
>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums,
>>>> too, LS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I
>>> did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>
>>> Roger
>
> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave. :-(

Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP newsgroups remain
active?

Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the issue of which
bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).

Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE, at the
Microsofts Answers Home Page:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
 
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Unknown

Flightless Bird
Sounds like you're just jealous you can't offer help from the words of your
post.
"BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:%23C2w9kHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
> news:umGgx7GILHA.5136@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> so much for believing I was doing so well! What will "we" do without our
>> mentors???
>
> Get real help perhaps.
>
>>
>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> See http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>>>>
>>>> IE General, OE General, OE6, Windows Update, Win98 General, &
>>>> WLMessenger were some of the newsgroups dropped late last week. IE6
>>>> was dropped in early June.
>>>>
>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>> Can anyone inform me , from my return from holiday I find I have
>>>>> lost newsgroups like windows outlook express, Hardware, and ie6
>>>>> groups
>>
>> --
>> Ciao -
>>
>> CarolJhThompson
>> "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are
>> spiritual beings having a human experience ( Pierre Teilhard de
>> Chardin)."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
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~*Laughingstar*~

Flightless Bird
Bill in Co wrote:
>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums,
>>>>>> too, LS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I
>>>>> did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger
>>>
>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave. :-(
>>
>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP newsgroups
>> remain active?
>>
>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the issue
>> of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>
>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE, at the
>> Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx

Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet groups....$2.99 a
month subscription plan.

"http://tinyurl.com/22qy3xx

They seem to be in better control of spam..."

OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed to be
discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS doesn't *seem* to be
saying those still using XP/OE won't be able to do so...it will just be at
their own risk.

Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself. When I select
"News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for newsgroups.

Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's shame to break up
a supportive group like we had here -

Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there, somehow??
 
L

~*Laughingstar*~

Flightless Bird
Unknown wrote:
>> Sounds like you're just jealous you can't offer help from the words
>> of your post.

I well understand why you are unknown.

>> "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23C2w9kHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>>> news:umGgx7GILHA.5136@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> so much for believing I was doing so well! What will "we" do
>>>> without our mentors???
>>>
>>> Get real help perhaps.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>> See http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE General, OE General, OE6, Windows Update, Win98 General, &
>>>>>> WLMessenger were some of the newsgroups dropped late last week.
>>>>>> IE6 was dropped in early June.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> Can anyone inform me , from my return from holiday I find I have
>>>>>>> lost newsgroups like windows outlook express, Hardware, and ie6
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ciao -
>>>>
>>>> CarolJhThompson
>>>> "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are
>>>> spiritual beings having a human experience ( Pierre Teilhard de
>>>> Chardin)."
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
What do YOU think of his response "Get real help perhaps" to the question
"What will we do without
our mentors"?
"~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
news:-OZ8iR%23SILHA.5432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Unknown wrote:
>>> Sounds like you're just jealous you can't offer help from the words
>>> of your post.
>
> I well understand why you are unknown.
>
>>> "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23C2w9kHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:umGgx7GILHA.5136@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> so much for believing I was doing so well! What will "we" do
>>>>> without our mentors???
>>>>
>>>> Get real help perhaps.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>> See http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IE General, OE General, OE6, Windows Update, Win98 General, &
>>>>>>> WLMessenger were some of the newsgroups dropped late last week.
>>>>>>> IE6 was dropped in early June.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>> Can anyone inform me , from my return from holiday I find I have
>>>>>>>> lost newsgroups like windows outlook express, Hardware, and ie6
>>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ciao -
>>>>>
>>>>> CarolJhThompson
>>>>> "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, we are
>>>>> spiritual beings having a human experience ( Pierre Teilhard de
>>>>> Chardin)."
>
>
 
D

Doum

Flightless Bird
"Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> écrivait
news:lOadnTJv8_eakKfRnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

I have all ".NET Framework" installed on all my machines and when a
family member or friend asks me to rebuild their Windows installation, I
always reinstall all of them. If one of their programs needs one of the
".NET", it's already installed; never had any issue.

Just make sure to visit "Windows Update" a few times after installing
them; Important and Optional updates.

> But it requires installing .NET Framework 3.5 (and a pretty large app,
> at over 200 MB!), as I recall. .NET 2.0 won't cut it. And that
> could be a concern, no? (I thought I recall someone mentioning some
> issue with that on fileforum, like it broke some of his existing 2.0
> apps, or that some existing apps using .NET now ran slower? I can't
> recall.
>
> What was the service that Microsoft requires you to register for, to
> be able to use it?
>
> Peter Foldes wrote:
>> Install the NNTP Bridge
>>
>> Please take a look at: http://communitybridge.codeplex.com for
>> details and the current download.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter
>>
>> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
>> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be
>> acknowledged. http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>>
>> "Roger" <Monkey@Zoo.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:%233576aQILHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>
>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/th
>>>> reads
>>>>
>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>
>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums,
>>>> too, LS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I
>>> did with
>>> my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed msnews.microsoft.com only
>>> this group heading left on it
>>>
>>> Roger
>
>
>
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
> Bill in Co wrote:
>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers forums,
>>>>>>> too, LS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane, as I
>>>>>> did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave. :-(
>>>
>>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP newsgroups
>>> remain active?
>>>
>>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the issue
>>> of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>>
>>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE, at the
>>> Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>
> Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet groups....$2.99 a
> month subscription plan.
>
> "http://tinyurl.com/22qy3xx
>
> They seem to be in better control of spam..."

And Giganews has a LOT of newsgroups (and that price is nice)!

I still have an account with Earthlink, that offers the NNTP newsgroups
(which I think is indirectly handled through Giganews).

But there are several newsgroup servers available (a free one is
nntp.aioe.org) that you could sign-up for. Another free one may be
free.teranews.com, as I recall, or pay a small monthly fee and get even
better service (like with Giganews - $2.99 a month ain't bad!).

> OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed to be
> discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS doesn't *seem* to be
> saying those still using XP/OE won't be able to do so...it will just be at
> their own risk.

Well, I still plan on using OE (and XP) well beyond 2014, so that's a
non-issue for me, and many, I expect. True, MS support may be discontinued
then, but there are other support avenues available, like these newsgroups,
or the forums allegedly replacing them.

> Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself. When I
> select
> "News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for newsgroups.

Right. I don't have Outlook installed, and just use Outlook Express for
mail and news, which is fine by me (I don't need the extra bells and
whistles of Outlook).

> Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's shame to break
> up
> a supportive group like we had here -
>
> Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there, somehow??

Well, but there is this other option I mentioned - just go to another
newsgroup provider (like nntp.aioe.org, or free.teranews.com, or Giganews,
etc), where you can still access the microsoft.public newsgroups. Either
that, or we'll all end up on the forums.
 
L

~*Laughingstar*~

Flightless Bird
Bill in Co wrote:
>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers
>>>>>>>>> forums, too, LS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane,
>>>>>>>> as I did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave.
>>>>>> :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP
>>>>> newsgroups remain active?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the
>>>>> issue of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>>>>
>>>>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE, at
>>>>> the Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>>>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>>
>>> Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet
>>> groups....$2.99 a month subscription plan.
>>>
>>> "http://tinyurl.com/22qy3xx
>>>
>>> They seem to be in better control of spam..."
>>
>> And Giganews has a LOT of newsgroups (and that price is nice)!
>>
>> I still have an account with Earthlink, that offers the NNTP
>> newsgroups (which I think is indirectly handled through Giganews).
>>
>> But there are several newsgroup servers available (a free one is
>> nntp.aioe.org) that you could sign-up for. Another free one may be
>> free.teranews.com, as I recall, or pay a small monthly fee and get
>> even better service (like with Giganews - $2.99 a month ain't bad!).
>>
>>> OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed to be
>>> discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS doesn't *seem*
>>> to be saying those still using XP/OE won't be able to do so...it
>>> will just be at their own risk.
>>
>> Well, I still plan on using OE (and XP) well beyond 2014, so that's a
>> non-issue for me, and many, I expect. True, MS support may be
>> discontinued then, but there are other support avenues available,
>> like these newsgroups, or the forums allegedly replacing them.
>>
>>> Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself. When I
>>> select
>>> "News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for newsgroups.
>>
>> Right. I don't have Outlook installed, and just use Outlook
>> Express for mail and news, which is fine by me (I don't need the
>> extra bells and whistles of Outlook).
>>
>>> Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's shame to
>>> break up
>>> a supportive group like we had here -
>>>
>>> Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there, somehow??
>>
>> Well, but there is this other option I mentioned - just go to another
>> newsgroup provider (like nntp.aioe.org, or free.teranews.com, or
>> Giganews, etc), where you can still access the microsoft.public
>> newsgroups. Either that, or we'll all end up on the forums.

Is this separation anxiety? Methinks so. . . I'll miss those I've trusted.
 
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Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
> Bill in Co wrote:
>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers
>>>>>>>>>> forums, too, LS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane,
>>>>>>>>> as I did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>>>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave.
>>>>>>> :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP
>>>>>> newsgroups remain active?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the
>>>>>> issue of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE, at
>>>>>> the Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>>>>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>> Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet
>>>> groups....$2.99 a month subscription plan.
>>>>
>>>> "http://tinyurl.com/22qy3xx
>>>>
>>>> They seem to be in better control of spam..."
>>>
>>> And Giganews has a LOT of newsgroups (and that price is nice)!
>>>
>>> I still have an account with Earthlink, that offers the NNTP
>>> newsgroups (which I think is indirectly handled through Giganews).
>>>
>>> But there are several newsgroup servers available (a free one is
>>> nntp.aioe.org) that you could sign-up for. Another free one may be
>>> free.teranews.com, as I recall, or pay a small monthly fee and get
>>> even better service (like with Giganews - $2.99 a month ain't bad!).
>>>
>>>> OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed to be
>>>> discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS doesn't *seem*
>>>> to be saying those still using XP/OE won't be able to do so...it
>>>> will just be at their own risk.
>>>
>>> Well, I still plan on using OE (and XP) well beyond 2014, so that's a
>>> non-issue for me, and many, I expect. True, MS support may be
>>> discontinued then, but there are other support avenues available,
>>> like these newsgroups, or the forums allegedly replacing them.
>>>
>>>> Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself. When I
>>>> select
>>>> "News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for newsgroups.
>>>
>>> Right. I don't have Outlook installed, and just use Outlook
>>> Express for mail and news, which is fine by me (I don't need the
>>> extra bells and whistles of Outlook).
>>>
>>>> Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's shame to
>>>> break up
>>>> a supportive group like we had here -
>>>>
>>>> Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there, somehow??
>>>
>>> Well, but there is this other option I mentioned - just go to another
>>> newsgroup provider (like nntp.aioe.org, or free.teranews.com, or
>>> Giganews, etc), where you can still access the microsoft.public
>>> newsgroups. Either that, or we'll all end up on the forums.
>
> Is this separation anxiety? Methinks so. . .

Maybe. :) And all to what purpose? (since the NNTP format seems
generally preferable)

> I'll miss those I've trusted.

But some of them are still here! Although it sounds like some are
abandoning the newsgroups, and going over to the forums.

And what is also annoying is that some older newsgroups dedicated to
specific topics like Windows98, don't seem to have any counterparts on the
more generically-categorized forums, at least when I looked at the web page
access through that link I mentioned. There is no forum for Win98, for
example.
 
L

~*Laughingstar*~

Flightless Bird
Bill in Co wrote:
>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers
>>>>>>>>>>>> forums, too, LS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane,
>>>>>>>>>>> as I did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>>>>>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave.
>>>>>>>>> :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP
>>>>>>>> newsgroups remain active?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the
>>>>>>>> issue of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE,
>>>>>>>> at the Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>>>>>>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet
>>>>>> groups....$2.99 a month subscription plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "http://tinyurl.com/22qy3xx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They seem to be in better control of spam..."
>>>>>
>>>>> And Giganews has a LOT of newsgroups (and that price is nice)!
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have an account with Earthlink, that offers the NNTP
>>>>> newsgroups (which I think is indirectly handled through Giganews).
>>>>>
>>>>> But there are several newsgroup servers available (a free one is
>>>>> nntp.aioe.org) that you could sign-up for. Another free one may
>>>>> be free.teranews.com, as I recall, or pay a small monthly fee and
>>>>> get even better service (like with Giganews - $2.99 a month ain't
>>>>> bad!).
>>>>>
>>>>>> OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed
>>>>>> to be discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS
>>>>>> doesn't *seem* to be saying those still using XP/OE won't be
>>>>>> able to do so...it will just be at their own risk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I still plan on using OE (and XP) well beyond 2014, so
>>>>> that's a non-issue for me, and many, I expect. True, MS support
>>>>> may be discontinued then, but there are other support avenues
>>>>> available, like these newsgroups, or the forums allegedly
>>>>> replacing them.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself.
>>>>>> When I select
>>>>>> "News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. I don't have Outlook installed, and just use Outlook
>>>>> Express for mail and news, which is fine by me (I don't need the
>>>>> extra bells and whistles of Outlook).
>>>>>
>>>>>> Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's shame
>>>>>> to break up
>>>>>> a supportive group like we had here -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there, somehow??
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, but there is this other option I mentioned - just go to
>>>>> another newsgroup provider (like nntp.aioe.org, or
>>>>> free.teranews.com, or Giganews, etc), where you can still access
>>>>> the microsoft.public newsgroups. Either that, or we'll all end
>>>>> up on the forums.
>>>
>>> Is this separation anxiety? Methinks so. . .
>>
>> Maybe. :) And all to what purpose? (since the NNTP format
>> seems generally preferable)
>>
>>> I'll miss those I've trusted.
>>
>> But some of them are still here! Although it sounds like some are
>> abandoning the newsgroups, and going over to the forums.
>>
>> And what is also annoying is that some older newsgroups dedicated to
>> specific topics like Windows98, don't seem to have any counterparts
>> on the more generically-categorized forums, at least when I looked
>> at the web page access through that link I mentioned. There is no
>> forum for Win98, for example.

On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and the 2 I
went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for people
that one is.

I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be 'moving'
over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
 
B

Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
"~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
news:u$2$86WILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Bill in Co wrote:
>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums, too, LS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as I did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>>>>>>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave.
>>>>>>>>>> :-(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP
>>>>>>>>> newsgroups remain active?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the
>>>>>>>>> issue of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE,
>>>>>>>>> at the Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>>>>>>>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet
>>>>>>> groups....$2.99 a month subscription plan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "http://tinyurl.com/22qy3xx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They seem to be in better control of spam..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Giganews has a LOT of newsgroups (and that price is nice)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still have an account with Earthlink, that offers the NNTP
>>>>>> newsgroups (which I think is indirectly handled through Giganews).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there are several newsgroup servers available (a free one is
>>>>>> nntp.aioe.org) that you could sign-up for. Another free one may
>>>>>> be free.teranews.com, as I recall, or pay a small monthly fee and
>>>>>> get even better service (like with Giganews - $2.99 a month ain't
>>>>>> bad!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed
>>>>>>> to be discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS
>>>>>>> doesn't *seem* to be saying those still using XP/OE won't be
>>>>>>> able to do so...it will just be at their own risk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I still plan on using OE (and XP) well beyond 2014, so
>>>>>> that's a non-issue for me, and many, I expect. True, MS support
>>>>>> may be discontinued then, but there are other support avenues
>>>>>> available, like these newsgroups, or the forums allegedly
>>>>>> replacing them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself.
>>>>>>> When I select
>>>>>>> "News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for newsgroups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right. I don't have Outlook installed, and just use Outlook
>>>>>> Express for mail and news, which is fine by me (I don't need the
>>>>>> extra bells and whistles of Outlook).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's shame
>>>>>>> to break up
>>>>>>> a supportive group like we had here -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there, somehow??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, but there is this other option I mentioned - just go to
>>>>>> another newsgroup provider (like nntp.aioe.org, or
>>>>>> free.teranews.com, or Giganews, etc), where you can still access
>>>>>> the microsoft.public newsgroups. Either that, or we'll all end
>>>>>> up on the forums.
>>>>
>>>> Is this separation anxiety? Methinks so. . .
>>>
>>> Maybe. :) And all to what purpose? (since the NNTP format
>>> seems generally preferable)
>>>
>>>> I'll miss those I've trusted.
>>>
>>> But some of them are still here! Although it sounds like some are
>>> abandoning the newsgroups, and going over to the forums.
>>>
>>> And what is also annoying is that some older newsgroups dedicated to
>>> specific topics like Windows98, don't seem to have any counterparts
>>> on the more generically-categorized forums, at least when I looked
>>> at the web page access through that link I mentioned. There is no
>>> forum for Win98, for example.
>
> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and the 2
> I
> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for
> people
> that one is.
>
> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be 'moving'
> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
>
>



If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via Eternal
September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do on the
msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing more. Nothing
less.

And for the immediate future, many of us plan to stick around. The OE
groups were removed from the MS servers June 1, but I am still there via
Eternal September.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
Bruce Hagen wrote:
> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ~*Laughingstar*~ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ulxtszHILHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll find most of us over in MS Answers forums:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Explorer =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook Express, etc. =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/xpnetwork/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Update =>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully your screenreader will get along with Answers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums, too, LS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Snip] Can I add the above, to my OE window on left pane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I did with my MS NG's e g I have at moment listed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com only this group heading left on it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good question, Roger. I'm hanging on like blind bat in a cave.
>>>>>>>>>>> :-(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, but what's the point, as long as some of these NNTP
>>>>>>>>>> newsgroups remain active?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like you, I'm resisting crossing over. And there's still the
>>>>>>>>>> issue of which bridge (Community Forums, VS Microsoft).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or the advantages, if any, over accessing them directly in IE,
>>>>>>>>>> at the Microsofts Answers Home Page:
>>>>>>>>>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Someone I trust said she is using Giganews for UseNet
>>>>>>>> groups....$2.99 a month subscription plan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "http://tinyurl.com/22qy3xx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They seem to be in better control of spam..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Giganews has a LOT of newsgroups (and that price is nice)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still have an account with Earthlink, that offers the NNTP
>>>>>>> newsgroups (which I think is indirectly handled through Giganews).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But there are several newsgroup servers available (a free one is
>>>>>>> nntp.aioe.org) that you could sign-up for. Another free one may
>>>>>>> be free.teranews.com, as I recall, or pay a small monthly fee and
>>>>>>> get even better service (like with Giganews - $2.99 a month ain't
>>>>>>> bad!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OE isn't going out until 2014, when support for XP is supposed
>>>>>>>> to be discontinued. No security patches, etc. Though MS
>>>>>>>> doesn't *seem* to be saying those still using XP/OE won't be
>>>>>>>> able to do so...it will just be at their own risk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I still plan on using OE (and XP) well beyond 2014, so
>>>>>>> that's a non-issue for me, and many, I expect. True, MS support
>>>>>>> may be discontinued then, but there are other support avenues
>>>>>>> available, like these newsgroups, or the forums allegedly
>>>>>>> replacing them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Firefox isn't a newsgroup reader...nor is Outlook by itself.
>>>>>>>> When I select
>>>>>>>> "News" in Outlook's menu bar, it takes me to OE for newsgroups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right. I don't have Outlook installed, and just use Outlook
>>>>>>> Express for mail and news, which is fine by me (I don't need the
>>>>>>> extra bells and whistles of Outlook).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Too many choices...and none ideal...is how I see it! It's shame
>>>>>>>> to break up
>>>>>>>> a supportive group like we had here -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey you valuable ones - ins't there an option in there, somehow??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, but there is this other option I mentioned - just go to
>>>>>>> another newsgroup provider (like nntp.aioe.org, or
>>>>>>> free.teranews.com, or Giganews, etc), where you can still access
>>>>>>> the microsoft.public newsgroups. Either that, or we'll all end
>>>>>>> up on the forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this separation anxiety? Methinks so. . .
>>>>
>>>> Maybe. :) And all to what purpose? (since the NNTP format
>>>> seems generally preferable)
>>>>
>>>>> I'll miss those I've trusted.
>>>>
>>>> But some of them are still here! Although it sounds like some are
>>>> abandoning the newsgroups, and going over to the forums.
>>>>
>>>> And what is also annoying is that some older newsgroups dedicated to
>>>> specific topics like Windows98, don't seem to have any counterparts
>>>> on the more generically-categorized forums, at least when I looked
>>>> at the web page access through that link I mentioned. There is no
>>>> forum for Win98, for example.
>>
>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and the 2
>> I
>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for
>> people
>> that one is.
>>
>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be 'moving'
>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via Eternal
> September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do on the
> msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing more. Nothing
> less.

Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right), she could
subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any NNTP bridge as long as
she has signed up for Eternal September (or some other NNTP server).

So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for anything, when
one can access the newsgroups directly, from any available NNTP server?

Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are added, they
will never be added to the existing NNTP servers.

Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the forums
over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like???

> And for the immediate future, many of us plan to stick around. The OE
> groups were removed from the MS servers June 1, but I am still there via
> Eternal September.
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA
 
B

Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
<snip>

"Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:TYWdnRYb7qULEqfRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and the
>>> 2
>>> I
>>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for
>>> people
>>> that one is.
>>>
>>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be
>>> 'moving'
>>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via Eternal
>> September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do on the
>> msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing more. Nothing
>> less.
>



> Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right), she
> could subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any NNTP bridge
> as long as she has signed up for Eternal September (or some other NNTP
> server).
>
> So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for anything,
> when one can access the newsgroups directly, from any available NNTP
> server?
>
> Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are added,
> they will never be added to the existing NNTP servers.
>
> Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the forums
> over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like???


The NNTP Bridge is a 'back door' to the Microsoft Answers news forums. The
are completely different than the Usenet groups you are accoustomed to.
None of the NNTP newsgroups are the same as the MS Answers forums.

While the current newsgroups will be available on non-MS servers for
perhaps a long time, I forsee a lot less legitimate posts and more spam &
trolls as time goes on.

Just to give you an idea, the top group here is MS Answers Forums as they
look using the bridge. The second group of 3 newsgroups are currently
still on the MS servers, and the last group is the MS newsgroups via
Eternal September. Note there is no similarity between the forums and
newsgroup names.

http://i32.tinypic.com/4jw7sn.png
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
Bruce Hagen wrote:
> <snip>
>
> "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:TYWdnRYb7qULEqfRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>> "~*Laughingstar*~" <tiredofthis@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u$2$86WILHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>>>> On the eternal-september.org, I checked their 'support' groups and the
>>>> 2
>>>> I
>>>> went into was only SPAM, no moderators what-so-ever - great help for
>>>> people
>>>> that one is.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still miss our helpers from here, and do realize they'll be
>>>> 'moving'
>>>> over to other forums, but it's MS's loss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you subscribe to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general via Eternal
>>> September, you will see exactly the same posts as you do on the
>>> msnews.microsoft.com server you have been using. Nothing more. Nothing
>>> less.
>>
>
>
>
>> Just to make this clear (and assuming I understand this right), she
>> could subscribe to that XP group WITHOUT having to use any NNTP bridge
>> as long as she has signed up for Eternal September (or some other NNTP
>> server).
>>
>> So one has to ask, what's the point of using the bridge for anything,
>> when one can access the newsgroups directly, from any available NNTP
>> server?
>>
>> Well, I can think of one disadvantage: as new MS "groups" are added,
>> they will never be added to the existing NNTP servers.
>>
>> Or maybe somebody actually prefers using the bridge to access the forums
>> over direct NNTP server access via OE or the like???
>
>
> The NNTP Bridge is a 'back door' to the Microsoft Answers news forums. The
> are completely different than the Usenet groups you are accoustomed to.
> None of the NNTP newsgroups are the same as the MS Answers forums.
>
> While the current newsgroups will be available on non-MS servers for
> perhaps a long time, I forsee a lot less legitimate posts and more spam &
> trolls as time goes on.
>
> Just to give you an idea, the top group here is MS Answers Forums as they
> look using the bridge. The second group of 3 newsgroups are currently
> still on the MS servers, and the last group is the MS newsgroups via
> Eternal September. Note there is no similarity between the forums and
> newsgroup names.
>
> http://i32.tinypic.com/4jw7sn.png
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA

Thanks for sending that picture to give me some idea, Bruce.
From what I can see and tell, I'm just not impressed with the abandonment of
the newsgroups, however. I just don't see how this is benefiting anyone,
and that screenshot just further illustrates my point. I mean, just look
at all the specific NNTP subgroups that don't appear or have a direct
counterpart in the MS Answers Forums. Those "MS Answers Fforums" seem to
be more broadly classified, with a bunch of stuff thrown into one category.
 
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