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Stupid virus related question here...

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Mike, Mar 24, 2010.

  1. Mike

    Mike Flightless Bird

    I am curious how people wind up with viruses today, especially those
    with anti-virus software!
    I have cleaned a lot of computers up, using the ubcd4win, with great
    sucess, but I have never had to do this to a computer without any
    virus protection, whether it be CA, Symantec, Bit Defender, Macafee,
    probably the only software I haven't seen on any of the computers I've
    cleaned up is Trend Micro. Does that mean they are better then the
    rest? What does theirs do that the others don't?
    I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months,
    kind of as a test & have gotten nothing.
    I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web-
    browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it.
    I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I
    have anti-virus software...'.
    On a lighter note, I did have one person a while back tell me they
    actually clicked/downloaded a file after his software warned him.
    His answer started with 'But I have anti-virus software on my
    computer...'.
     
  2. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a virus.
    I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT click on
    unknown items.
    "Mike" <texan767@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:74a6ae96-2b0c-4371-a220-c5828c035055@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
    >I am curious how people wind up with viruses today, especially those
    > with anti-virus software!
    > I have cleaned a lot of computers up, using the ubcd4win, with great
    > sucess, but I have never had to do this to a computer without any
    > virus protection, whether it be CA, Symantec, Bit Defender, Macafee,
    > probably the only software I haven't seen on any of the computers I've
    > cleaned up is Trend Micro. Does that mean they are better then the
    > rest? What does theirs do that the others don't?
    > I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months,
    > kind of as a test & have gotten nothing.
    > I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web-
    > browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it.
    > I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I
    > have anti-virus software...'.
    > On a lighter note, I did have one person a while back tell me they
    > actually clicked/downloaded a file after his software warned him.
    > His answer started with 'But I have anti-virus software on my
    > computer...'.
     
  3. choro

    choro Flightless Bird

    Unknown wrote:
    > Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a
    > virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT
    > click on unknown items.


    People used to catch syphilis by visiting whore houses. Obviously you
    don't!

    Good for you. But do tell me, how come you haven't gone blind? ;-)
    --
    choro
    *****

    > "Mike" <texan767@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:74a6ae96-2b0c-4371-a220-c5828c035055@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
    >> I am curious how people wind up with viruses today, especially those
    >> with anti-virus software!
    >> I have cleaned a lot of computers up, using the ubcd4win, with great
    >> sucess, but I have never had to do this to a computer without any
    >> virus protection, whether it be CA, Symantec, Bit Defender, Macafee,
    >> probably the only software I haven't seen on any of the computers
    >> I've cleaned up is Trend Micro. Does that mean they are better then
    >> the rest? What does theirs do that the others don't?
    >> I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months,
    >> kind of as a test & have gotten nothing.
    >> I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web-
    >> browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it.
    >> I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I
    >> have anti-virus software...'.
    >> On a lighter note, I did have one person a while back tell me they
    >> actually clicked/downloaded a file after his software warned him.
    >> His answer started with 'But I have anti-virus software on my
    >> computer...'.
     
  4. C

    C Flightless Bird

    Unknown wrote:
    > Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a virus.
    > I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT click on
    > unknown items.


    So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of which
    isn't really interested in letting you know you've been punked? Do you
    really think that all malware has a little feature that lets you know
    when they've latched on to your computer or what?

    --
    C
     
  5. Big_Al

    Big_Al Flightless Bird

    Mike said this on 3/24/2010 10:56 AM:
    > I am curious how people wind up with viruses today, especially those
    > with anti-virus software!
    > I have cleaned a lot of computers up, using the ubcd4win, with great
    > sucess, but I have never had to do this to a computer without any
    > virus protection, whether it be CA, Symantec, Bit Defender, Macafee,
    > probably the only software I haven't seen on any of the computers I've
    > cleaned up is Trend Micro. Does that mean they are better then the
    > rest? What does theirs do that the others don't?
    > I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months,
    > kind of as a test& have gotten nothing.
    > I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web-
    > browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it.
    > I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I
    > have anti-virus software...'.
    > On a lighter note, I did have one person a while back tell me they
    > actually clicked/downloaded a file after his software warned him.
    > His answer started with 'But I have anti-virus software on my
    > computer...'.


    My input is that your habits are a great factor. I'm retired but my
    last job for 15 years was connecting (Remote desktop etc) to all sorts
    of clients all over the North American continent doing support work. I
    never ran any programs other than Microsoft business apps etc, and never
    had an issue in all 15 years. Others in the office had all sorts of
    issues, slowness etc, and we all did the same tasks, just some of us had
    extra curricular tasks, if you know what I mean.

    Yes, I run AV software and I've had it detect a few things at home where
    I "play". But I don't open things I am not pretty sure of. Its just
    common sense I guess, or at least it is in my mind. And I make image
    backups just in case.

    To your question of "is one better", I'm not sure. I just know I hate
    Norton's. Every PC I have problems with its been with Norton. And
    not virus, but loading Vista SP2 the other day, I could not till Norton
    was turned off.
     
  6. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Nothing of any consequence happens.
    "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Unknown wrote:
    >> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a
    >> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT click
    >> on unknown items.

    >
    > So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of which
    > isn't really interested in letting you know you've been punked? Do you
    > really think that all malware has a little feature that lets you know when
    > they've latched on to your computer or what?
    >
    > --
    > C
     
  7. Leythos

    Leythos Flightless Bird

    In article <74a6ae96-2b0c-4371-a220-c5828c035055
    @k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, texan767@hotmail.com says...
    > I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months,
    > kind of as a test & have gotten nothing.
    > I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web-
    > browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it.
    > I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I
    > have anti-virus software...'.
    >


    How would you know you've got nothing?

    In most cases, most malware bypasses the AV software and gets admin
    control of the computer in question.

    Every compromised computer I've seen in the last year has had installed
    and updated AV software on it as well as almost every MS security patch.

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
     
  8. C

    C Flightless Bird

    Unknown wrote:
    > Nothing of any consequence happens.
    > "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> Unknown wrote:
    >>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a
    >>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT click
    >>> on unknown items.

    >> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of which
    >> isn't really interested in letting you know you've been punked? Do you
    >> really think that all malware has a little feature that lets you know when
    >> they've latched on to your computer or what?
    >>
    >> --
    >> C

    >
    >


    How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be
    happening doesn't mean it isn't.

    --
    C
     
  9. On 3/24/2010 10:11 AM, Unknown wrote:
    > Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a virus.
    > I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT click on
    > unknown items.


    You better not click on your own newsgroup posts then, they are labeled
    as 'Unknown' <g> ;)

    > "Mike"<texan767@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:74a6ae96-2b0c-4371-a220-c5828c035055@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
    >> I am curious how people wind up with viruses today, especially those
    >> with anti-virus software!
    >> I have cleaned a lot of computers up, using the ubcd4win, with great
    >> sucess, but I have never had to do this to a computer without any
    >> virus protection, whether it be CA, Symantec, Bit Defender, Macafee,
    >> probably the only software I haven't seen on any of the computers I've
    >> cleaned up is Trend Micro. Does that mean they are better then the
    >> rest? What does theirs do that the others don't?
    >> I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months,
    >> kind of as a test& have gotten nothing.
    >> I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web-
    >> browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it.
    >> I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I
    >> have anti-virus software...'.
    >> On a lighter note, I did have one person a while back tell me they
    >> actually clicked/downloaded a file after his software warned him.
    >> His answer started with 'But I have anti-virus software on my
    >> computer...'.

    >
    >
     
  10. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I expect? I'm
    not paranoid.
    "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Unknown wrote:
    >> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    >> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a
    >>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT
    >>>> click on unknown items.
    >>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of which
    >>> isn't really interested in letting you know you've been punked? Do you
    >>> really think that all malware has a little feature that lets you know
    >>> when they've latched on to your computer or what?
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> C

    >>
    >>

    >
    > How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be
    > happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    >
    > --
    > C
     
  11. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    LOL
    "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
    <me693@privacy.com> wrote in message news:hodfac$lqn$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > On 3/24/2010 10:11 AM, Unknown wrote:
    >> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a
    >> virus.
    >> I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT click on
    >> unknown items.

    >
    > You better not click on your own newsgroup posts then, they are labeled as
    > 'Unknown' <g> ;)
    >
    >> "Mike"<texan767@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:74a6ae96-2b0c-4371-a220-c5828c035055@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
    >>> I am curious how people wind up with viruses today, especially those
    >>> with anti-virus software!
    >>> I have cleaned a lot of computers up, using the ubcd4win, with great
    >>> sucess, but I have never had to do this to a computer without any
    >>> virus protection, whether it be CA, Symantec, Bit Defender, Macafee,
    >>> probably the only software I haven't seen on any of the computers I've
    >>> cleaned up is Trend Micro. Does that mean they are better then the
    >>> rest? What does theirs do that the others don't?
    >>> I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months,
    >>> kind of as a test& have gotten nothing.
    >>> I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web-
    >>> browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it.
    >>> I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I
    >>> have anti-virus software...'.
    >>> On a lighter note, I did have one person a while back tell me they
    >>> actually clicked/downloaded a file after his software warned him.
    >>> His answer started with 'But I have anti-virus software on my
    >>> computer...'.

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  12. C

    C Flightless Bird

    Unknown wrote:
    > Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I expect? I'm
    > not paranoid.
    > "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> Unknown wrote:
    >>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    >>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a
    >>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT
    >>>>> click on unknown items.
    >>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of which
    >>>> isn't really interested in letting you know you've been punked? Do you
    >>>> really think that all malware has a little feature that lets you know
    >>>> when they've latched on to your computer or what?
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> C
    >>>

    >> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be
    >> happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    >>
    >> --
    >> C

    >
    >


    You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm
    concerned, this thread is over.

    --
    C
     
  13. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems with my system, I
    never have a problem updating,
    I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU say I'm hiding my
    head in the sand?????
    Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my question?
    "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > Unknown wrote:
    >> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I expect?
    >> I'm not paranoid.
    >> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    >>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a
    >>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT
    >>>>>> click on unknown items.
    >>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of
    >>>>> which isn't really interested in letting you know you've been punked?
    >>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little feature that lets
    >>>>> you know when they've latched on to your computer or what?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> C
    >>>>
    >>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be
    >>> happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> C

    >>
    >>

    >
    > You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm
    > concerned, this thread is over.
    >
    > --
    > C
     
  14. Mark Adams

    Mark Adams Flightless Bird

    "Unknown" wrote:

    > Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems with my system, I
    > never have a problem updating,
    > I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU say I'm hiding my
    > head in the sand?????
    > Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my question?


    You should expect that your machine will be infecting other machines all
    over the net without your awareness or knowlege. That's why I have good AV
    software on my machines; so they won't get infected by machines like yours.
    ;-)


    > "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > > Unknown wrote:
    > >> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I expect?
    > >> I'm not paranoid.
    > >> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    > >> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > >>> Unknown wrote:
    > >>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    > >>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    > >>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > >>>>> Unknown wrote:
    > >>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never had a
    > >>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO NOT
    > >>>>>> click on unknown items.
    > >>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of
    > >>>>> which isn't really interested in letting you know you've been punked?
    > >>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little feature that lets
    > >>>>> you know when they've latched on to your computer or what?
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> --
    > >>>>> C
    > >>>>
    > >>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be
    > >>> happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    > >>>
    > >>> --
    > >>> C
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > > You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm
    > > concerned, this thread is over.
    > >
    > > --
    > > C

    >
    >
    > .
    >
     
  15. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours. That has NEVER
    happened to anyone I communicate with.
    The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your money.
    Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by someone who doesn't
    have a virus program installed.
    Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and more importantly,
    how did you get your last virus?
    "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...
    >
    >
    > "Unknown" wrote:
    >
    >> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems with my system,
    >> I
    >> never have a problem updating,
    >> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU say I'm hiding
    >> my
    >> head in the sand?????
    >> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my question?

    >
    > You should expect that your machine will be infecting other machines all
    > over the net without your awareness or knowlege. That's why I have good AV
    > software on my machines; so they won't get infected by machines like
    > yours.
    > ;-)
    >
    >
    >> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> > Unknown wrote:
    >> >> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I
    >> >> expect?
    >> >> I'm not paranoid.
    >> >> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >> >> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> >>> Unknown wrote:
    >> >>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    >> >>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >> >>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> >>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >> >>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never
    >> >>>>>> had a
    >> >>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO
    >> >>>>>> NOT
    >> >>>>>> click on unknown items.
    >> >>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of
    >> >>>>> which isn't really interested in letting you know you've been
    >> >>>>> punked?
    >> >>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little feature that lets
    >> >>>>> you know when they've latched on to your computer or what?
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> --
    >> >>>>> C
    >> >>>>
    >> >>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be
    >> >>> happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> --
    >> >>> C
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> > You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm
    >> > concerned, this thread is over.
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> > C

    >>
    >>
    >> .
    >>
     
  16. On 3/24/2010 3:22 PM, Unknown wrote:
    > Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours. That has NEVER
    > happened to anyone I communicate with.
    > The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your money.
    > Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by someone who doesn't
    > have a virus program installed.
    > Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and more importantly,
    > how did you get your last virus?


    I got my last virus from my son, and it was a cold.

    But seriously, there are more ways you can get a virus than conceivable:
    Drive by on the web, open port, social networking, chat, p2p, email,
    removable drives, newsgroups, physical access, Sony/BMG music CDs, and
    this is only the start. The point is that you need multiple layers of
    protection in order to be truly protected from the long list of ways to
    get infected or owned. Safe hex is great, but alone is not enough
    protection.

    > "Mark Adams"<MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...
    >>
    >>
    >> "Unknown" wrote:
    >>
    >>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems with my system,
    >>> I
    >>> never have a problem updating,
    >>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU say I'm hiding
    >>> my
    >>> head in the sand?????
    >>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my question?

    >>
    >> You should expect that your machine will be infecting other machines all
    >> over the net without your awareness or knowlege. That's why I have good AV
    >> software on my machines; so they won't get infected by machines like
    >> yours.
    >> ;-)
    >>
    >>
    >>> "C"<c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I
    >>>>> expect?
    >>>>> I'm not paranoid.
    >>>>> "C"<c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    >>>>>>> "C"<c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never
    >>>>>>>>> had a
    >>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO
    >>>>>>>>> NOT
    >>>>>>>>> click on unknown items.
    >>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of
    >>>>>>>> which isn't really interested in letting you know you've been
    >>>>>>>> punked?
    >>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little feature that lets
    >>>>>>>> you know when they've latched on to your computer or what?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be
    >>>>>> happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    >>>>>>
    >>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm
    >>>> concerned, this thread is over.
    >>>>
     
  17. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    The fact remains----I have never had a virus. I will state however my ISP
    also has a virus filter.
    "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
    <me693@privacy.com> wrote in message news:hodt3e$gb0$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > On 3/24/2010 3:22 PM, Unknown wrote:
    >> Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours. That has NEVER
    >> happened to anyone I communicate with.
    >> The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your money.
    >> Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by someone who
    >> doesn't
    >> have a virus program installed.
    >> Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and more
    >> importantly,
    >> how did you get your last virus?

    >
    > I got my last virus from my son, and it was a cold.
    >
    > But seriously, there are more ways you can get a virus than conceivable:
    > Drive by on the web, open port, social networking, chat, p2p, email,
    > removable drives, newsgroups, physical access, Sony/BMG music CDs, and
    > this is only the start. The point is that you need multiple layers of
    > protection in order to be truly protected from the long list of ways to
    > get infected or owned. Safe hex is great, but alone is not enough
    > protection.
    >
    >> "Mark Adams"<MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Unknown" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems with my
    >>>> system,
    >>>> I
    >>>> never have a problem updating,
    >>>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU say I'm
    >>>> hiding
    >>>> my
    >>>> head in the sand?????
    >>>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my question?
    >>>
    >>> You should expect that your machine will be infecting other machines all
    >>> over the net without your awareness or knowlege. That's why I have good
    >>> AV
    >>> software on my machines; so they won't get infected by machines like
    >>> yours.
    >>> ;-)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> "C"<c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I
    >>>>>> expect?
    >>>>>> I'm not paranoid.
    >>>>>> "C"<c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    >>>>>>>> "C"<c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never
    >>>>>>>>>> had a
    >>>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO
    >>>>>>>>>> NOT
    >>>>>>>>>> click on unknown items.
    >>>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of
    >>>>>>>>> which isn't really interested in letting you know you've been
    >>>>>>>>> punked?
    >>>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little feature that
    >>>>>>>>> lets
    >>>>>>>>> you know when they've latched on to your computer or what?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to
    >>>>>>> be
    >>>>>>> happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm
    >>>>> concerned, this thread is over.
    >>>>>

    >
     
  18. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    In news:u1Uqp%234yKHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
    Unknown <unknown@unknown.kom> typed:
    > Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours.
    > That has NEVER happened to anyone I communicate with.
    > The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your
    > money.


    The purposes of viruses and malware can be most anything from
    simple maliciousness and vandalism to holding your data
    hostage to a dos attack, to mention only a few things.
    I haven't had a virus in years, but I have to wonder how
    long you've actually been surfing & using the 'net. It helps
    a lot if you're behind a NAT router and have it secured, use a
    firewall, etc.. Those and safe surfing and site uses go a
    long ways toward staying clean.
    But if you aren't running any AV or malware detectors, you
    could be in for quite a surprise. Even botnet armies
    (Zombies) have become sophisticated enough to spread the
    processes out so much that their activities on your machine
    are barely noticeable. I suspect if you're telling the truth,
    that either you've been online only a short time or there are
    other mitigating circumstances you're not bothering to
    mention.
    I suspect you already know too, but the way one picks up
    malware is by opening infected attachments (which can even
    come from a friend who is infected), something that
    accompanies what you think is ia legitimate download, clicking
    on the right link on the right sites, clicking on any link in
    a spam mail, and a thousand other ways including on
    discs/sticks that other people might provide you with.
    `
    Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by
    > someone who doesn't have a virus program installed.
    > Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and
    > more importantly, how did you get your last virus?


    I didn't "get" the last virus, but I am getting the FedEx
    virus arriving about once a week in an attachment. It always
    gets caught before it's downloaded and removed, but they're
    still trying to send them.

    I tend to agree with whoever said your head's in the sand. It
    isn't a matter of your being safe from malware; it's a
    question of when you're gong to be afftected, assuming you
    aren't already infected. Without running scans you can not be
    certain that your machine is "clean" even with Linux and other
    less-targetted OS's. Therefore you cannot truthfully make the
    statement that you know you have never had a virus; you quite
    likely wouldn't know it. You could hav emany things going on
    and not know it.

    HTH,

    Twayne`



    "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > message
    > news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...
    >>
    >>
    >> "Unknown" wrote:
    >>
    >>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems
    >>> with my system, I
    >>> never have a problem updating,
    >>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU
    >>> say I'm hiding my
    >>> head in the sand?????
    >>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my
    >>> question?

    >>
    >> You should expect that your machine will be infecting
    >> other machines all over the net without your awareness or
    >> knowlege. That's why I have good AV software on my
    >> machines; so they won't get infected by machines like
    >> yours. ;-)
    >>
    >>
    >>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What
    >>>>> should I expect?
    >>>>> I'm not paranoid.
    >>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    >>>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one
    >>>>>>>>> and have never had a
    >>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications
    >>>>>>>>> whatsoever. I DO NOT
    >>>>>>>>> click on unknown items.
    >>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot,
    >>>>>>>> the owner of which isn't really interested in
    >>>>>>>> letting you know you've been punked?
    >>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little
    >>>>>>>> feature that lets you know when they've latched on
    >>>>>>>> to your computer or what? --
    >>>>>>>> C
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because
    >>>>>> nothing seems to be happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> C
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as
    >>>> far as I'm concerned, this thread is over.
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> C
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> .
     
  19. db

    db Flightless Bird

    all anti virus software
    lags behind newly
    conceptualized virus's.

    but the vast majority
    of old virus's are usually
    blocked by up-to-date
    anti virals.

    --

    db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    - Systems Analyst
    - Database Developer
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    - Veteran of the Armed Forces
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    - @hotmail.com
    ~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen

    >
    >


    "Mike" <texan767@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:74a6ae96-2b0c-4371-a220-c5828c035055@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
    > I am curious how people wind up with viruses today, especially those
    > with anti-virus software!
    > I have cleaned a lot of computers up, using the ubcd4win, with great
    > sucess, but I have never had to do this to a computer without any
    > virus protection, whether it be CA, Symantec, Bit Defender, Macafee,
    > probably the only software I haven't seen on any of the computers I've
    > cleaned up is Trend Micro. Does that mean they are better then the
    > rest? What does theirs do that the others don't?
    > I myself have run without any antivirus software for a few months,
    > kind of as a test & have gotten nothing.
    > I have also ran with expired software without incident. Are my web-
    > browsing habits just safer than most? I doubt it.
    > I just wish I had an answer to the question that usually starts 'I
    > have anti-virus software...'.
    > On a lighter note, I did have one person a while back tell me they
    > actually clicked/downloaded a file after his software warned him.
    > His answer started with 'But I have anti-virus software on my
    > computer...'.
     
  20. Mark Adams

    Mark Adams Flightless Bird

    "Unknown" wrote:

    > Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours. That has NEVER
    > happened to anyone I communicate with.
    > The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your money.
    > Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by someone who doesn't
    > have a virus program installed.
    > Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and more importantly,
    > how did you get your last virus?


    I don't think I've ever gotten a self-propagating virus either, but I did
    get the Antivirus 2009 malware last year when my wife clicked on a link in a
    screensavers website. She alerted me of the pop-up and instead of trying to
    close the pop-up, I rebooted the computer and ran Malwarebytes at bootup.
    That seems to have knocked it off, and I haven't had anything show up on a
    scan since.

    I still don't trust running without antivirus and antimalware applications,
    especially after seeing the results of the rootkit that was uncovered a few
    weeks ago by a Windows update. People whose machines were infected didn't
    even know that they were. Safe hex can only go so far.

    > "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...
    > >
    > >
    > > "Unknown" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems with my system,
    > >> I
    > >> never have a problem updating,
    > >> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU say I'm hiding
    > >> my
    > >> head in the sand?????
    > >> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my question?

    > >
    > > You should expect that your machine will be infecting other machines all
    > > over the net without your awareness or knowlege. That's why I have good AV
    > > software on my machines; so they won't get infected by machines like
    > > yours.
    > > ;-)
    > >
    > >
    > >> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    > >> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > >> > Unknown wrote:
    > >> >> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I
    > >> >> expect?
    > >> >> I'm not paranoid.
    > >> >> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > >> >>> Unknown wrote:
    > >> >>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
    > >> >>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
    > >> >>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > >> >>>>> Unknown wrote:
    > >> >>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one and have never
    > >> >>>>>> had a
    > >> >>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications whatsoever. I DO
    > >> >>>>>> NOT
    > >> >>>>>> click on unknown items.
    > >> >>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot, the owner of
    > >> >>>>> which isn't really interested in letting you know you've been
    > >> >>>>> punked?
    > >> >>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little feature that lets
    > >> >>>>> you know when they've latched on to your computer or what?
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> --
    > >> >>>>> C
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because nothing seems to be
    > >> >>> happening doesn't mean it isn't.
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> --
    > >> >>> C
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> > You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as far as I'm
    > >> > concerned, this thread is over.
    > >> >
    > >> > --
    > >> > C
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> .
    > >>

    >
    >
    > .
    >
     

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