Stupid virus related question here...

[Unknown]

Responses in line
"Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
newsU6O5a5yKHA.5940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> In news:u1Uqp%234yKHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
> Unknown <unknown@unknown.kom> typed:
>> Mine would have to be infected in order to infect yours.
>> That has NEVER happened to anyone I communicate with.
>> The writers of malware and virus programs merely want your
>> money.
>
> The purposes of viruses and malware can be most anything from simple
> maliciousness and vandalism to holding your data hostage to a dos attack,
> to mention only a few things.
> I haven't had a virus in years, but I have to wonder how long you've
> actually been surfing & using the 'net.
I've been surfing the net since 1994. However my computer experience dates
to 1955.


>. It helps a lot if you're behind a NAT router and have it secured, use a
>firewall, etc..
I use the regular Windows firewall.

>Those and safe surfing and site uses go a long ways toward staying clean.
> But if you aren't running any AV or malware detectors, you could be in
> for quite a surprise. Even botnet armies (Zombies) have become
> sophisticated enough to spread the processes out so much that their
> activities on your machine are barely noticeable. I suspect if you're
> telling the truth, that either you've been online only a short time or
> there are other mitigating circumstances you're not bothering to mention.
Mitigating circumstances????
I keep my system updated. I install ALL Microsoft updates.
I have external backup for any disaster.

> I suspect you already know too, but the way one picks up malware is by
> opening infected attachments (which can even come from a friend who is
> infected), something that accompanies what you think is ia legitimate
> download, clicking on the right link on the right sites, clicking on any
> link in a spam mail, and a thousand other ways including on discs/sticks
> that other people might provide you with.
I NEVER click on unknown links.

> `
> Isn't the reverse true??? I have NEVER been infected by
>> someone who doesn't have a virus program installed.
>> Stop and THINK--------how does one get a virus? When, and
>> more importantly, how did you get your last virus?
>
> I didn't "get" the last virus, but I am getting the FedEx virus arriving
> about once a week in an attachment. It always gets caught before it's
> downloaded and removed, but they're still trying to send them.
>
> I tend to agree with whoever said your head's in the sand. It isn't a
> matter of your being safe from malware; it's a question of when you're
> gong to be afftected, assuming you aren't already infected.
That is simply fear mongering. Do you sell malware programs?

>Without running scans you can not be certain that your machine is "clean"
>even with Linux and other less-targetted OS's. Therefore you cannot
>truthfully make the statement that you know you have never had a virus; you
>quite likely wouldn't know it. You could hav emany things going on and not
>know it.
That may well be true. However, in my circle of friends, relatives and every
business I communicate with, I have never had a complaint.

Have a good external backup, play safe hex and see how great your system
runs.
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>
>
>
> "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Unknown" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no problems
>>>> with my system, I
>>>> never have a problem updating,
>>>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and YOU
>>>> say I'm hiding my
>>>> head in the sand?????
>>>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my
>>>> question?
>>>
>>> You should expect that your machine will be infecting
>>> other machines all over the net without your awareness or
>>> knowlege. That's why I have good AV software on my
>>> machines; so they won't get infected by machines like
>>> yours.
>>>
>>>
>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What
>>>>>> should I expect?
>>>>>> I'm not paranoid.
>>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
>>>>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one
>>>>>>>>>> and have never had a
>>>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications
>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. I DO NOT
>>>>>>>>>> click on unknown items.
>>>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net bot,
>>>>>>>>> the owner of which isn't really interested in
>>>>>>>>> letting you know you've been punked?
>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little
>>>>>>>>> feature that lets you know when they've latched on
>>>>>>>>> to your computer or what? --
>>>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because
>>>>>>> nothing seems to be happening doesn't mean it isn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as
>>>>> far as I'm concerned, this thread is over.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> C
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>
>
>

 

[Twayne]

In news:uswmPcDzKHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
Unknown <unknown@unknown.kom> typed:
> Responses in line
> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> newsU6O5a5yKHA.5940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

....

> That may well be true. However, in my circle of friends,
> relatives and every business I communicate with, I have
> never had a complaint.


1. Such things are seldom attributable to the actual sender.
2. Don't necessarily trigger instantly. May have delays, wait
for next boot, etc.
3. You "assume" your circle of friends et al:
a. will never become infected with anything that could
infect you
b. you would know if they infected you
c. Will never have their address book, which includes your
e-mail address, stolen
d. and that your own address book hasn't been read/stolen
already, exposing all of your friends to malware
4. Since you have "business associates" they are prime
suspects to have been hacked, used and otherwise affected in
ways that can affect you.
5. Erroneously assume that because you back up to an
external device that everything on it is safe. But whenever
your machine is turned on at the same time as the external
drive, it is 100% as susceptible as any of your internal
drives. A lot of malwares tasks are only to destroy data,
beginning with the least used set, as kept track of by
windows.

And several other possibilities. If you aren't a victim of
identity theft already, you'll understand when you do realize
how you've been infected. Well, IF you ever do realize it.
Even something as serious as becoming part of a zombie network
could easily live on your machine. Depending on your ISPs
rules, you might end up wondering why they suddenly and
without warning just close down all your accounts.

>
> Have a good external backup, play safe hex and see how
> great your system runs.

Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never
be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can
infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you
don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be
enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the
page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.

When you disappear from the groups, we'll know what happened
to you<g>.

HTH,

Twayne`
> HTH,
>>
>> Twayne`
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Unknown" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no
>>>>> problems with my system, I
>>>>> never have a problem updating,
>>>>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and
>>>>> YOU say I'm hiding my
>>>>> head in the sand?????
>>>>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my
>>>>> question?
>>>>
>>>> You should expect that your machine will be infecting
>>>> other machines all over the net without your awareness or
>>>> knowlege. That's why I have good AV software on my
>>>> machines; so they won't get infected by machines like
>>>> yours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens.
>>>>>>> What should I expect?
>>>>>>> I'm not paranoid.
>>>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
>>>>>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one
>>>>>>>>>>> and have never had a
>>>>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications
>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. I DO NOT
>>>>>>>>>>> click on unknown items.
>>>>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net
>>>>>>>>>> bot, the owner of which isn't really interested in
>>>>>>>>>> letting you know you've been punked?
>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little
>>>>>>>>>> feature that lets you know when they've latched on
>>>>>>>>>> to your computer or what? --
>>>>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because
>>>>>>>> nothing seems to be happening doesn't mean it isn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as
>>>>>> far as I'm concerned, this thread is over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> C
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .

 

[Unknown]

I am not paranoid. I do not power up my backup and computer at the same
time.
"Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:umId1CEzKHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> In news:uswmPcDzKHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
> Unknown <unknown@unknown.kom> typed:
>> Responses in line
>> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> newsU6O5a5yKHA.5940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> ...
>
>> That may well be true. However, in my circle of friends,
>> relatives and every business I communicate with, I have
>> never had a complaint.
>
>
> 1. Such things are seldom attributable to the actual sender.
> 2. Don't necessarily trigger instantly. May have delays, wait for next
> boot, etc.
> 3. You "assume" your circle of friends et al:
> a. will never become infected with anything that could infect you
> b. you would know if they infected you
> c. Will never have their address book, which includes your e-mail
> address, stolen
> d. and that your own address book hasn't been read/stolen already,
> exposing all of your friends to malware
> 4. Since you have "business associates" they are prime suspects to have
> been hacked, used and otherwise affected in ways that can affect you.
> 5. Erroneously assume that because you back up to an external device that
> everything on it is safe. But whenever your machine is turned on at the
> same time as the external drive, it is 100% as susceptible as any of your
> internal drives. A lot of malwares tasks are only to destroy data,
> beginning with the least used set, as kept track of by windows.
>
> And several other possibilities. If you aren't a victim of identity theft
> already, you'll understand when you do realize how you've been infected.
> Well, IF you ever do realize it. Even something as serious as becoming
> part of a zombie network could easily live on your machine. Depending on
> your ISPs rules, you might end up wondering why they suddenly and without
> warning just close down all your accounts.
>
>>
>> Have a good external backup, play safe hex and see how
>> great your system runs.
>
> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never be hacked
> or otherwise infected with things that can infect/affect/effect you. With
> web sites it's even worse; you don't even have to click a link; just
> viewing the page can be enough to trigger a malware download in chunks,
> along with the page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.
>
> When you disappear from the groups, we'll know what happened to you<g>.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Twayne`
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark Adams" <MarkAdams@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Unknown" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no
>>>>>> problems with my system, I
>>>>>> never have a problem updating,
>>>>>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and
>>>>>> YOU say I'm hiding my
>>>>>> head in the sand?????
>>>>>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my
>>>>>> question?
>>>>>
>>>>> You should expect that your machine will be infecting
>>>>> other machines all over the net without your awareness or
>>>>> knowlege. That's why I have good AV software on my
>>>>> machines; so they won't get infected by machines like
>>>>> yours.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens.
>>>>>>>> What should I expect?
>>>>>>>> I'm not paranoid.
>>>>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.
>>>>>>>>>> "C" <c@nospamers.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one
>>>>>>>>>>>> and have never had a
>>>>>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications
>>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. I DO NOT
>>>>>>>>>>>> click on unknown items.
>>>>>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net
>>>>>>>>>>> bot, the owner of which isn't really interested in
>>>>>>>>>>> letting you know you've been punked?
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little
>>>>>>>>>>> feature that lets you know when they've latched on
>>>>>>>>>>> to your computer or what? --
>>>>>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because
>>>>>>>>> nothing seems to be happening doesn't mean it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as
>>>>>>> far as I'm concerned, this thread is over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>
>
>

 

[NA]

On 3/25/2010 1:29 PM EST, Twayne wrote:

[... snipped for brevity ...]

>
> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never
> be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can
> infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you
> don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be
> enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the
> page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.
>

[... snipped for brevity ...]

You made some excellent points--whether 'Unknown' wakes up or stays
ignorant that's his/her prerogative.

Just want to add my 2 cents, even trusted sites--large legit
well-recognized sites--have been known to contain malicious contents
from *advertisers* which were disseminated unchecked to site visitors.
These legit sites were neither hacked or infected--they're simply
businesses taking in any ad content as long as their client is willing
to pay for the space. No clicks needed, just landing on those pages
with the malicious ads is enough for an infection and/or attack. Well
crafted malicious scripts can easily bypass the firewalls, NAT filters,
and take control of unprotected and vulnerable PCs without any trace of
a compromise to the users. The better the exploit, the more
sophisticated and discrete it is. Hackers today are well organized
criminal syndicates that like to stay under the radar--unlike the
earlier generations of vandals and delinquents that are out for kicks
and bragging rights. That's the reason for a tiered multi-layered
protection approach. If paying for active protection is not an option,
then regularly using some free passive detection tools are better than
taking the naive 'head-in-the-sand' approach with no protection at all.

 

[Unknown]

Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16 years?
Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.
"NA" <NA@na.org> wrote in message news:4BABAB7D.9000805@na.org...
> On 3/25/2010 1:29 PM EST, Twayne wrote:
>
> [... snipped for brevity ...]
>
>>
>> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never
>> be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can
>> infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you
>> don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be
>> enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the
>> page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.
>>
>
> [... snipped for brevity ...]
>
> You made some excellent points--whether 'Unknown' wakes up or stays
> ignorant that's his/her prerogative.
>
> Just want to add my 2 cents, even trusted sites--large legit
> well-recognized sites--have been known to contain malicious contents from
> *advertisers* which were disseminated unchecked to site visitors. These
> legit sites were neither hacked or infected--they're simply businesses
> taking in any ad content as long as their client is willing to pay for the
> space. No clicks needed, just landing on those pages with the malicious
> ads is enough for an infection and/or attack. Well crafted malicious
> scripts can easily bypass the firewalls, NAT filters, and take control of
> unprotected and vulnerable PCs without any trace of a compromise to the
> users. The better the exploit, the more sophisticated and discrete it is.
> Hackers today are well organized criminal syndicates that like to stay
> under the radar--unlike the earlier generations of vandals and delinquents
> that are out for kicks and bragging rights. That's the reason for a
> tiered multi-layered protection approach. If paying for active protection
> is not an option, then regularly using some free passive detection tools
> are better than taking the naive 'head-in-the-sand' approach with no
> protection at all.

 

[Leythos]

In article <O84iCoEzKHA.5936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, unknown@unknown.kom
says...
> Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16 years?
> Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.
>

In more than 30 years I have personally been compromised 1 time and I
have dozens of computers in my home as well as servers facing the
internet 24/7. In that same period of time, not a single customer has
been compromised.

Now, during all that time, running AV software since it came out, I've
seen thousands of alerts/events where the AV software prevented a
malware from running on my computers.

Since I make a living with computers and networks, I can't imagine
anyone with any common sense actually thinking they don't need a quality
AV solution combined with other security means.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Tom Willett]

We only have your word for it, no proof. Your history of trolling precedes
your credibility.

"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
news84iCoEzKHA.5936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
: Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16
years?
: Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.
: "NA" <NA@na.org> wrote in message news:4BABAB7D.9000805@na.org...
: > On 3/25/2010 1:29 PM EST, Twayne wrote:
: >
: > [... snipped for brevity ...]
: >
: >>
: >> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never
: >> be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can
: >> infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you
: >> don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be
: >> enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the
: >> page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.
: >>
: >
: > [... snipped for brevity ...]
: >
: > You made some excellent points--whether 'Unknown' wakes up or stays
: > ignorant that's his/her prerogative.
: >
: > Just want to add my 2 cents, even trusted sites--large legit
: > well-recognized sites--have been known to contain malicious contents
from
: > *advertisers* which were disseminated unchecked to site visitors. These
: > legit sites were neither hacked or infected--they're simply businesses
: > taking in any ad content as long as their client is willing to pay for
the
: > space. No clicks needed, just landing on those pages with the malicious
: > ads is enough for an infection and/or attack. Well crafted malicious
: > scripts can easily bypass the firewalls, NAT filters, and take control
of
: > unprotected and vulnerable PCs without any trace of a compromise to the
: > users. The better the exploit, the more sophisticated and discrete it
is.
: > Hackers today are well organized criminal syndicates that like to stay
: > under the radar--unlike the earlier generations of vandals and
delinquents
: > that are out for kicks and bragging rights. That's the reason for a
: > tiered multi-layered protection approach. If paying for active
protection
: > is not an option, then regularly using some free passive detection tools
: > are better than taking the naive 'head-in-the-sand' approach with no
: > protection at all.
:
:

 

[Unknown]

You just said it. In 30 years you had one virus. NOW, how did you get it.
Did the AV programs REALLY detect a virus or was it one of those fake
messages enticing you to try their programs. What virus did it detect?
How was it deleted?
"Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.26157b1687b2833d98a214@us.news.astraweb.com...
> In article <O84iCoEzKHA.5936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, unknown@unknown.kom
> says...
>> Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16
>> years?
>> Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.
>>
>
> In more than 30 years I have personally been compromised 1 time and I
> have dozens of computers in my home as well as servers facing the
> internet 24/7. In that same period of time, not a single customer has
> been compromised.
>
> Now, during all that time, running AV software since it came out, I've
> seen thousands of alerts/events where the AV software prevented a
> malware from running on my computers.
>
> Since I make a living with computers and networks, I can't imagine
> anyone with any common sense actually thinking they don't need a quality
> AV solution combined with other security means.
>
> --
> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
> Trust yourself.
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Unknown]

I'm not asking you to accept my word. Nevertheless it is a fact.
When and how did you get your last virus?
Simply amazing; when anyone doesn't agree with another's post they are
always a troll---ala Tim Blake.
"Tom Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
newsik6hTFzKHA.5940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> We only have your word for it, no proof. Your history of trolling precedes
> your credibility.
>
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
> news84iCoEzKHA.5936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> : Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16
> years?
> : Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.
> : "NA" <NA@na.org> wrote in message news:4BABAB7D.9000805@na.org...
> : > On 3/25/2010 1:29 PM EST, Twayne wrote:
> : >
> : > [... snipped for brevity ...]
> : >
> : >>
> : >> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never
> : >> be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can
> : >> infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you
> : >> don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be
> : >> enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the
> : >> page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.
> : >>
> : >
> : > [... snipped for brevity ...]
> : >
> : > You made some excellent points--whether 'Unknown' wakes up or stays
> : > ignorant that's his/her prerogative.
> : >
> : > Just want to add my 2 cents, even trusted sites--large legit
> : > well-recognized sites--have been known to contain malicious contents
> from
> : > *advertisers* which were disseminated unchecked to site visitors.
> These
> : > legit sites were neither hacked or infected--they're simply businesses
> : > taking in any ad content as long as their client is willing to pay for
> the
> : > space. No clicks needed, just landing on those pages with the
> malicious
> : > ads is enough for an infection and/or attack. Well crafted malicious
> : > scripts can easily bypass the firewalls, NAT filters, and take control
> of
> : > unprotected and vulnerable PCs without any trace of a compromise to
> the
> : > users. The better the exploit, the more sophisticated and discrete it
> is.
> : > Hackers today are well organized criminal syndicates that like to stay
> : > under the radar--unlike the earlier generations of vandals and
> delinquents
> : > that are out for kicks and bragging rights. That's the reason for a
> : > tiered multi-layered protection approach. If paying for active
> protection
> : > is not an option, then regularly using some free passive detection
> tools
> : > are better than taking the naive 'head-in-the-sand' approach with no
> : > protection at all.
> :
> :
>
>

 

[Leythos]

In article <OJk0DZFzKHA.244@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, unknown@unknown.kom
says...
> You just said it. In 30 years you had one virus. NOW, how did you get it.
> Did the AV programs REALLY detect a virus or was it one of those fake
> messages enticing you to try their programs. What virus did it detect?
> How was it deleted?
>

I typed in a website address incorrectly, to a MS website, was taken to
a rogue website, redirected in under a second, and the malware opened
several dos boxes and began installing trojans and other things on the
computer in question.

The computer was fully patched, running IE and Firefox, fully patched,
with Symantec End Point Protection fully updated and running, as a local
admin (which is how most windows computers are currently running) - I
have duplicated the same infection method in IE and Firefox with
Symantec, McAfee, Trend, AVG and several others at that time (all of
them currently, today, block it).

This is a download computer, meaning that we keep an image in case it's
compromised, and it sits on a separate network so that our other
networks are not compromised. I spent close to 4 hours cleaning the
malware off of the system - the malware blocked execution of almost
every major player out there, including in safe mode, including renaming
their executables - the only anti-malware that would run without being
blocked was Trojan Remover 6.8.1 and it removed enough to allow the
anti-malware tools to properly run.

After I felt it was clean, I wiped the computer, restored a clean image,
and loaded Avira Antivir free edition - testing showed that the malware
was detected and blocked. In the past month I've seen instances where
Avira has blocked other drive-by attacks that the others have not
blocked....

This also describes how many of the infected machines I've seen are
compromised - and yes, I know all about the social engineered fake AV
warnings and few of our customers have been stupid enough to get
compromised by that.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[HeyBub]

Unknown wrote:
> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I
> expect? I'm not paranoid.

NOW I know where all the spam is coming from!

 

[Unknown]

Dream on!
"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:el1d7iPzKHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Unknown wrote:
>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I
>> expect? I'm not paranoid.
>
> NOW I know where all the spam is coming from!
>