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Speeding up hard drives?

D

Death

Flightless Bird
Kazum�Oocyte@fallopian.net wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:17:57 -0400, "Death" <death@rottingcorpses.x-x>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kazumé" <Oocyte@fallopian.net> wrote in message
>>news:hpp916h8gkj6ihfndm04e48ra0beq1e5qk@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:12:15 +0700, John B. Slocomb
>>> <johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, put it this way then - if you want a real bullet proof version
>>>>of Linux go to Redhat or Suse enterprice versions. If you want the
>>>>latest cutting edge that likely will develop problems then take the
>>>>free stuff - you'll be running stuff that the company have released to
>>>>see whether it works or not.
>>>
>>> Sorry to butt into your little spat, but, this ludicrous statement
>>> absolutely describes Microsoft's operating systems to a 'T': "stuff
>>> that the company have released to see whether it works or not".
>>>
>>
>>Then you've never run linux.
>
> Yes, I have and do, Redhat, but not at this moment. BTW, was certified
> in UNIX in the 80's. Worked for SUN Micro. Played with Solaris. Helped
> port a CAD/CAM package (Computervision CADDS) to Berkley UNIX and
> Solaris.
>
>>Microsoft is a breeze compared to any distro out there, period.
>>I've run every f-ing linux you can think of, even the "stable" paid for
>>ones.
>>Not that ubuntu, mint, nonsense ... but actual distros
>>
>>> I've had at least eight systems in my home running MS O/S'es for the
>>> past fifteen years (was a reseller). I have used Linux & Ubuntu on
>>> older computers but mainly for experimentation purposes only.
>>>
>>
>>If you tried ubuntu...then linux isn't even close to what you're running.
>>No actual linux distros include all that non-free crap so readily.
>
> I don't understand this. I took two Linux (Redhat) cert. classes for
> fun a couple of years ago and then when I saw Ubuntu, its kernel, the
> way it compiled, the command structure, man pages and I loved that vi
> editor. Well, it at least looks similar, wouldn't you say???
>

What don't you understand about open source?
It's what linux is all about...but in an attempt to "catch MS" or
whatever these new distros are up too...they've loaded up on closed
source drivers.
Kind of cheating a little, I'd say.
Linux video drivers suck it ... and without closed source drivers, no
one would install it on a desktop PC.

>>> The only time I ever loaded a system with an MS O/S that was not at
>>> least a year and a half old was Win95, in August of 1995, which was a
>>> giant piece of shit until SP2 - same goes for Win98 & XP. I passed
>>> completely on MILLENIUM & VISTA, the two biggest pieces of shit
>>> operating systems ever produced by human brains, gigantic turds that
>>> would have destroyed the reputation of any other company on the face
>>> of the Earth, except of course for a company that has a solid
>>> government/lemming supported monopoly.
>>>
>>
>>You passed on Vista, yet proclaim it a turd.
>
>>Nutball.
>
> Yes, I'm a 100% certified Nutball! By "passed", I meant that I did not
> risk installing either OS on any of my own personal (or my wife's)
> desktop systems. Sorry about the mix-up. However, many of my customers
> were forced to purchase Vista preloaded on new laptops. I know this
> because a number of them called me to see if I could take Vista off
> and load XP. As for Millenium, Jeebiz Cripes! That turd made me so
> much $$$! As a repair person, I loved it! If I were a customer of
> Microshaft though, I would have never purchased another of their
> products again.
>

Microshaft?

>>Stop reading the blogs of dumbasses, you'll be OK.
>
> I'm 54-y.o. I've been working with computers for 33 years but I have
> never read a single blog (I don't text or twitter either). I sometimes
> research new hardware and/or software by Googling for opinions and
> reviews but I only use that information to form my own opinions.
>

LOL.
Then you didn't "form" your own opinion.
You based it off the opinions of others.
The only way to form your own opinion of a product is to use it.

>>
>>> Anyway, I use Microshaft operating systems NOT because they are the
>>> best, not because they run flawlessly, not because they copy files
>>> fastest or burn CD's well, not because they have the best security
>>> features, not because of their bug free operation, not because of
>>> their 'reasonable' prices, not because of the speed, but because
>>> Microshaft basically is the only show in town.
>
> Hey, I'm here mainly to download porn and annoy people.
>

All the good porn has already been downloaded.
The wife deletes all mine.

>>BooHoo...poor you, too stupid to find alternatives.
>>Skilled you are not.
>>Even dumbass iDumbasses can find another OS.
>
> Okay, lets see... alternatives... Linux... too cheap... complicated...
> Hmmmmm how about MAC OS... nah, I hate proprietary hardware. Steve
> Jobs is akin to any number of cult leaders and I don't like cults...
> hmmmm ... Ubuntu?... not bad but I can't play many games with it e.g.
> ZORK I, Colossal Cave, etc... hmmmm DOS! CP/M! DR-DOS!...nah, all to
> texty... Google Chrome!!! Yeah, that's the ticket! Well, maybe not
> yet, not due for release until later this year... DAMN!...Well, Mr.
> Death, it seems you're right. I'm am a crying, stupid, completely
> unskilled Dumbass. Can you please suggest a couple of VIABLE
> alternatives for me?
>
> 1. Write your own OS.
>
> 2. Settle for what is offered, and stop your whining.
>
>>> I hate Microshit and Bill Gates for eliminating competition in the
>>> operating system arena and for being able to drop humongous TURDS on
>>> their customers without even so much as a whimper of a complaint.
>>>
>>
>>You hate people you've never met?
>>That's psychotic.
>>And you hate a company that employs quite a few people.
>>I'm sure whatever you do is quite valuable... to you.
>
> Yes. I am just psychotic enough to hate people/companies I've never
> ever met... Hitler... Osama bin Laden...Bill O'Reilly... George W.
> Bush... Comcast...AT&T...Saddam Hussain... OJ Simpson...etc.
>

Weird.
I like GW.
Not personally, but he seemed a normal enough person.
Take him over a socialist Obama any day.

>
>>> BTW, Microshaft describes Bill Gate's penis, I am a total fucktard, a
>>> liar, a stupid cunt, I don't know squat and I will fuck off so attack
>>> me personally if you dare, I don't care.
>>>
>>
>>Who need dare.
>>You said nothing.
>
> Not yet... NOTHING!!! There, I'm yelling it for your enjoyment...
>
> Thanx Mr. Death... although, seriously, I hope not to see you soon.

me too.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
 
C

Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:46:51 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
<not-me@other.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:44:20 +0700, Schweik wrote:
>
>> Question: How do you know it is unmounted? I thought Windows
>> automatically mounted every FAT or HPFS system that it could see?
>
>Explorer doesn't see the drive when I plug it in. It doesn't have a drive
>letter and it isn't associated with a folder. Both of these are still true
>while the backup program is running.
>
>I did this is by choice, in Disk management...
>
>In fact, I have backed up successfully to unmounted drives using two
>different backup programs, Macrium Reflect and Casper.

Hi Gene,
How are you referencing your unmounted volumes? Obviously not by drive
letter, so I'm curious. Thanks.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Death wrote:

> Weird.
> I like GW.
> Not personally, but he seemed a normal enough person.
> Take him over a socialist Obama any day.

That about says it all. Maybe when you get sick and find out the
insurance companies left you with thousands of dollars of co payment
that you don't have will you understand what real socialism is. We have
seen what your buddies Bush and Cheney did with unchecked capitalism.
Maybe you should go into the Gulf of Mexico for a swim in their honor.

--
Alias
 
J

J. D.

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:46:51 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
<not-me@other.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:44:20 +0700, Schweik wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:18:44 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
>> <not-me@other.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:46:50 +0700, John B. slocomb wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:20:57 -0600, Canuck57 <Canuck57@nospam.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 11/06/2010 6:56 PM, John B. slocomb wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:45:22 +0200, Alias
>>>>>> <aka@hewhoismasked&anonymous.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you are accessing the exterior drives with a USB connection they
>>>>>>>>>> certainly run slowly.
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have many large files that aren't already backed up and when I
>>>>>>>>> do, it's no biggie to temporarily put one of the external drives in as a
>>>>>>>>> slave. I do plan to get me an e-SATA external drive. How fast does the
>>>>>>>>> USB connection go when using Ubuntu, you ask? Glad you asked: 17-18
>>>>>>>>> MB/sec. I don't know with Windows because it only tells you the
>>>>>>>>> "estimated time" which is unreliable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are backing up separate files it probably doesn't make much
>>>>>>>> difference how you store them. I have backups schedules daily and just
>>>>>>>> back up entire directories , or partitions which would entail
>>>>>>>> remembering to plug in the USB drive. It is easier to just set things
>>>>>>>> up to back up to an internal disk and forget about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, but if the computer has some kind of problem and the internal
>>>>>>> drives go south, you're SOL. Then, all of a sudden, you're remember it.
>>>>>>> Backing up to external media is computing 101.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really can't envision a problem where something would happen to a
>>>>>> computer and all the internal drives would go south.I had a power
>>>>>> supply fail and passed 220 volts to the main board. Kill the main
>>>>>> board but when I rebuilt the computer the drives were still
>>>>>> serviceable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And actually the backing up to external media (and storing off site)
>>>>>> dates back to the days of tape drives when the was no alternatives. If
>>>>>> you are going to protect against all contingencies you back up to two
>>>>>> sets of permanent media - tapes or CD's - and store one of them off
>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>>>
>>>>>Virus, trojan, malware can do in two drives at once.
>>>>>
>>>>>Setup a Linux to Linux VPN with your buddy, using PGP on the files...
>>>>>works great and is secure.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder whether we are talking about the same thing? I use an extra
>>>> drive that isn't even mounted until the back-up system runs. The
>>>> back-up utility mounts the disk, backs up the designated files and
>>>> directories and then un-mounts the disk. It is difficult to see how a
>>>> virus or Trojan is going to access an un-mounted drive.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>>> (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
>>>
>>>I use a backup program that writes to an unmounted drive. This is in
>>>Windows 7, BTW.
>>
>>
>> Question: How do you know it is unmounted? I thought Windows
>> automatically mounted every FAT or HPFS system that it could see?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Schweik
>> (goodsoldierschweikatgmail)
>
>Explorer doesn't see the drive when I plug it in. It doesn't have a drive
>letter and it isn't associated with a folder. Both of these are still true
>while the backup program is running.
>
>I did this is by choice, in Disk management...
>
>In fact, I have backed up successfully to unmounted drives using two
>different backup programs, Macrium Reflect and Casper.


"Mounting" is just a name for assigning a read address to a device so
if your backup application ca see a drive it could mount it for the
duration of the backup and then dismount it, or if the drive is
accessed through an address that is part of the application's code,
when the application quits the drive would automatically be un
mounted.

That is very much what my backup scripts do. They are launched and
simply check the existence of a named backup partition, if it is
available they mount it, do the backup and then de mount the partition
and then die, task accomplished.

It is probably easier to do in a Unix/Linux script because of the
availability of software tools but it would be almost as easy to do in
"C" or any other language that gives you access to the basic hardware.
No reason that any operating system couldn't do it; and apparently
they have :)

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)
 
K

Kazumé

Flightless Bird
On 15 Jun 2010 01:51:22 +0200, Death <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote:

<SNIP>
>> I don't understand this. I took two Linux (Redhat) cert. classes for
>> fun a couple of years ago and then when I saw Ubuntu, its kernel, the
>> way it compiled, the command structure, man pages and I loved that vi
>> editor. Well, it at least looks similar, wouldn't you say???
>>
>
>What don't you understand about open source?
>It's what linux is all about...but in an attempt to "catch MS" or
>whatever these new distros are up too...they've loaded up on closed
>source drivers.
>Kind of cheating a little, I'd say.
>Linux video drivers suck it ... and without closed source drivers, no
>one would install it on a desktop PC.

I know that open source is like Wikipedia. Anybody can contribute
and/or make changes, add enhancements, etc.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the major problems I see with open source is that
there are simply too many hands in the pot and not enough hard
standards. I simply can't recommend an open source operating system to
my customers only to find later that it won't run that new CAD program
or print to his new color laser because of software incompatibilities.
Alternately, I CAN recommend anything from Microsoft. Then if there is
incompatibility, I just blame it on Billy Gates...

I still hate Microsoft though.

<SNIP>

>>>You passed on Vista, yet proclaim it a turd.
>>
>>>Nutball.
>>
>> Yes, I'm a 100% certified Nutball! By "passed", I meant that I did not
>> risk installing either OS on any of my own personal (or my wife's)
>> desktop systems. Sorry about the mix-up. However, many of my customers
>> were forced to purchase Vista preloaded on new laptops. I know this
>> because a number of them called me to see if I could take Vista off
>> and load XP. As for Millenium, Jeebiz Cripes! That turd made me so
>> much $$$! As a repair person, I loved it! If I were a customer of
>> Microshaft though, I would have never purchased another of their
>> products again.
>>
>
>Microshaft?

Yes! I like to think that it describes Bill Gates' penis.

>>>Stop reading the blogs of dumbasses, you'll be OK.

>> I'm 54-y.o. I've been working with computers for 33 years but I have
>> never read a single blog (I don't text or twitter either). I sometimes
>> research new hardware and/or software by Googling for opinions and
>> reviews but I only use that information to form my own opinions.
>>

>LOL.
>Then you didn't "form" your own opinion.
>You based it off the opinions of others.
>The only way to form your own opinion of a product is to use it.

Maybe you're right, Mr. Death. However, let me further explain the
process I use to "form" an opinion: I typically start by gathering
bits and pieces of reviews, opinions and recommendations from numerous
sources (not blogs) I have come to trust in my 33 years in the
computer field. This initial research helps me choose a product and
serves as the basis for my 'pre-opinion' of that product. I then
purchase the item and use/experiment/test it personally to verify that
my own assessment of the product is in line with everything I have
read about it. Only then will I give a customer my personal
recommendation, understanding that my own reputation is on the line.
If my procedure is not to your liking, I could always just blindly
purchase 40-50 different items then spend the next year or so using,
testing and evaluating them personally. Only problem, I don't think I
have the time or money to actually do that...

>>>> Anyway, I use Microshaft operating systems NOT because they are the
>>>> best, not because they run flawlessly, not because they copy files
>>>> fastest or burn CD's well, not because they have the best security
>>>> features, not because of their bug free operation, not because of
>>>> their 'reasonable' prices, not because of the speed, but because
>>>> Microshaft basically is the only show in town.
>>
>> Hey, I'm here mainly to download porn and annoy people.
>>
>
>All the good porn has already been downloaded.
>The wife deletes all mine.

Poor Mr. Death... I'm very surprised! You should be more assertive
with your overbearing wife and try to stand up to her more often. If
my wife ever laid a hand on my porn, she would be a very sorry
individual.

Now tell the truth... Was it your nasty old wife who told you that all
the good porn has already been taken?? Because she is deceiving you -
BIG-TIME!!! I'm here to tell you that there still exists a plethora of
excellent porn currently floating all around Cyberspace! Its true!!

>>>BooHoo...poor you, too stupid to find alternatives.
>>>Skilled you are not.
>>>Even dumbass iDumbasses can find another OS.
>>
>> Okay, lets see... alternatives... Linux... too cheap... complicated...
>> Hmmmmm how about MAC OS... nah, I hate proprietary hardware. Steve
>> Jobs is akin to any number of cult leaders and I don't like cults...
>> hmmmm ... Ubuntu?... not bad but I can't play many games with it e.g.
>> ZORK I, Colossal Cave, etc... hmmmm DOS! CP/M! DR-DOS!...nah, all to
>> texty... Google Chrome!!! Yeah, that's the ticket! Well, maybe not
>> yet, not due for release until later this year... DAMN!...Well, Mr.
>> Death, it seems you're right. I'm am a crying, stupid, completely
>> unskilled Dumbass. Can you please suggest a couple of VIABLE
>> alternatives for me?
>>

>1. Write your own OS.

>2. Settle for what is offered, and stop your whining.

Please Mr. Death. I asked you nicely for VIABLE alternatives, for I'm
just "too stupid to find alternatives"! And, you said yourself that
"even dumbass iDumbasses can find another OS". The truth is that I
could never write my own OS and I really hate all of Micro$haft's
offerings and I can't recommend open source... I really hate to whine
again but could you please show me that you aren't a stupid unskilled
dumbass and provide just TWO VIABLE alternatives?

1.

2.

>>>You hate people you've never met?
>>>That's psychotic.
>>>And you hate a company that employs quite a few people.

The NAZI war machine employed quite a few people... Just sayin'!

Maybe Halliburton?

>>>I'm sure whatever you do is quite valuable... to you.
>>
>> Yes. I am just psychotic enough to hate people/companies I've never
>> ever met... Hitler... Osama bin Laden...Bill O'Reilly... George W.
>> Bush... Comcast...AT&T...Saddam Hussain... OJ Simpson...etc.
>>
>
>Weird.
>I like GW.
>Not personally, but he seemed a normal enough person.
>Take him over a socialist Obama any day.

I wouldn't mind partying with GW. I would probably go to a poker game
with him, if asked. He seems really stupid and I'm sure I could take
him to the cleaners. HEY! Maybe you could ask GW for a VIABLE
alternative?

>>>> BTW, Microshaft describes Bill Gate's penis, I am a total fucktard, a
>>>> liar, a stupid cunt, I don't know squat and I will fuck off so attack
>>>> me personally if you dare, I don't care.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Who need dare.
>>>You said nothing.
>>
>> Not yet... NOTHING!!! There, I'm yelling it for your enjoyment...
>>
>> Thanx Mr. Death... although, seriously, I hope not to see you soon.
>
>me too.

Okay. Enough of this jibber-jabber. I'm too busy to spend any more
time on this - anyway, there are three rascally squirrels currently in
my yard scheming to find ways into my bird feeders and I have to
figure out how to keep them out. SO, please answer the following
honestly and to yourself.

Would you rather live in a world:

A. such as ours, that has multiple Automobile Manufacturers in
competition with each other, all vying for the $$$ in our pockets and
striving to supply consumers with products that are better, cheaper
and more efficient and luxorious than their competitors offerings.

B. that has only one Automobile Manufacturer with maybe two or three
'different' car models that cost consumers as much $$$ as the
manufacturer feels it deserves, even though their products never ever
work right off the assembly line, are required to be taken back to the
dealer on the second Tuesday of each month for fixes and upgrades in
order to avert disasters and products that last no more than a few
years - such as our current OS situation.

I don't know about you Mr. Death, but option A for me would seem to be
the fairer one for everyone.

Later
 
J

J. D.

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:50:49 -0400, Kazumé <Oocyte@fallopian.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:12:15 +0700, John B. Slocomb
><johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>
><SNIP>
>>
>>
>>Well, put it this way then - if you want a real bullet proof version
>>of Linux go to Redhat or Suse enterprice versions. If you want the
>>latest cutting edge that likely will develop problems then take the
>>free stuff - you'll be running stuff that the company have released to
>>see whether it works or not.
>
>Sorry to butt into your little spat, but, this ludicrous statement
>absolutely describes Microsoft's operating systems to a 'T': "stuff
>that the company have released to see whether it works or not".
>
>I've had at least eight systems in my home running MS O/S'es for the
>past fifteen years (was a reseller). I have used Linux & Ubuntu on
>older computers but mainly for experimentation purposes only.
>
>The only time I ever loaded a system with an MS O/S that was not at
>least a year and a half old was Win95, in August of 1995, which was a
>giant piece of shit until SP2 - same goes for Win98 & XP. I passed
>completely on MILLENIUM & VISTA, the two biggest pieces of shit
>operating systems ever produced by human brains, gigantic turds that
>would have destroyed the reputation of any other company on the face
>of the Earth, except of course for a company that has a solid
>government/lemming supported monopoly.
>
>Anyway, I use Microshaft operating systems NOT because they are the
>best, not because they run flawlessly, not because they copy files
>fastest or burn CD's well, not because they have the best security
>features, not because of their bug free operation, not because of
>their 'reasonable' prices, not because of the speed, but because
>Microshaft basically is the only show in town.
>
>I hate Microshit and Bill Gates for eliminating competition in the
>operating system arena and for being able to drop humongous TURDS on
>their customers without even so much as a whimper of a complaint.
>
>BTW, Microshaft describes Bill Gate's penis, I am a total fucktard, a
>liar, a stupid cunt, I don't know squat and I will fuck off so attack
>me personally if you dare, I don't care.
>
>Kaz


Your post provides the best explanation for why Microsoft is the
dominant operating system for PC's in the world that I have read for
some time..

For the first few years PC's were built you had a choice in operating
systems, MS DOS or CP/M. At the time CP/M was the best system for PC's
available but what did the average buyer know? You could get a PC with
MS DOS, and you could also buy from the same vendor all kinds of
programs to use on it. CP/M was an operating system and the Digital
Research didn't market other user software and while there were plenty
of programs available for CP/M you sort of had to go looking for them.
DOS programs were right there on the shelf.

And then Microsoft built Windows - WOW! A graphics interface and the
snazziest thing since sliced bread to most users.

Of course a few years after Windows 95 you could buy a
multi-processing, multi-tasking operating system for PC's from IBM but
while it included an office suite there was very little user software
available for it and IBM did, frankly, a lousy job of marketing and a
major portion of the PC world didn't even know about it.

And all this time, from the early days of the PC there have been
various shades of Unix, and later Linux, available for the PC. but
there were also a couple of rivers to cross if you wanted to use it.
You had to install it which was a multitude of floppies and once
installed, if you wanted the graphics interface you needed to
configure "X" which was a task in itself. You needed to know all
kinds of things about your monitor, scan rate and so on, and there was
a very real chance that you would burn up your monitor if you
configured "X" incorrectly.

To the average user that was a task equal to climbing the Matterhorn.
so the continued to buy Microsoft.

And they continue to buy MS because it is the best thing that they
know about.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)
 
D

Death

Flightless Bird
Kazum� wrote:

> On 15 Jun 2010 01:51:22 +0200, Death <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>>> I don't understand this. I took two Linux (Redhat) cert. classes for
>>> fun a couple of years ago and then when I saw Ubuntu, its kernel, the
>>> way it compiled, the command structure, man pages and I loved that vi
>>> editor. Well, it at least looks similar, wouldn't you say???
>>>
>>
>>What don't you understand about open source?
>>It's what linux is all about...but in an attempt to "catch MS" or
>>whatever these new distros are up too...they've loaded up on closed
>>source drivers.
>>Kind of cheating a little, I'd say.
>>Linux video drivers suck it ... and without closed source drivers, no
>>one would install it on a desktop PC.
>
> I know that open source is like Wikipedia. Anybody can contribute
> and/or make changes, add enhancements, etc.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, but the major problems I see with open source is that
> there are simply too many hands in the pot and not enough hard
> standards. I simply can't recommend an open source operating system to
> my customers only to find later that it won't run that new CAD program
> or print to his new color laser because of software incompatibilities.
> Alternately, I CAN recommend anything from Microsoft. Then if there is
> incompatibility, I just blame it on Billy Gates...
>
> I still hate Microsoft though.
>

So what?
What the fuck do I care?
I said you are a mental patient for hating a company.
And you are.

> <SNIP>
>
>>>>You passed on Vista, yet proclaim it a turd.
>>>
>>>>Nutball.
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm a 100% certified Nutball! By "passed", I meant that I did not
>>> risk installing either OS on any of my own personal (or my wife's)
>>> desktop systems. Sorry about the mix-up. However, many of my customers
>>> were forced to purchase Vista preloaded on new laptops. I know this
>>> because a number of them called me to see if I could take Vista off
>>> and load XP. As for Millenium, Jeebiz Cripes! That turd made me so
>>> much $$$! As a repair person, I loved it! If I were a customer of
>>> Microshaft though, I would have never purchased another of their
>>> products again.
>>>
>>
>>Microshaft?
>
> Yes! I like to think that it describes Bill Gates' penis.
>

Figures, as you are some kind a mental moron.


>>>>Stop reading the blogs of dumbasses, you'll be OK.
>
>>> I'm 54-y.o. I've been working with computers for 33 years but I have
>>> never read a single blog (I don't text or twitter either). I sometimes
>>> research new hardware and/or software by Googling for opinions and
>>> reviews but I only use that information to form my own opinions.
>>>
>
>>LOL.
>>Then you didn't "form" your own opinion.
>>You based it off the opinions of others.
>>The only way to form your own opinion of a product is to use it.
>
> Maybe you're right, Mr. Death. However, let me further explain the
> process I use to "form" an opinion: I typically start by gathering
> bits and pieces of reviews, opinions and recommendations from numerous
> sources (not blogs) I have come to trust in my 33 years in the
> computer field. This initial research helps me choose a product and
> serves as the basis for my 'pre-opinion' of that product. I then
> purchase the item and use/experiment/test it personally to verify that
> my own assessment of the product is in line with everything I have
> read about it. Only then will I give a customer my personal
> recommendation, understanding that my own reputation is on the line.
> If my procedure is not to your liking, I could always just blindly
> purchase 40-50 different items then spend the next year or so using,
> testing and evaluating them personally. Only problem, I don't think I
> have the time or money to actually do that...
>

Once again...I don't give a fuck.
You said you form your own opinion based on what you read.
That is simply not possible.
It may be the method you use, others go by word of mouth.
Gives rise to rampant speculation and judgements based on inaccurate
inf.ormation.


>>>>> Anyway, I use Microshaft operating systems NOT because they are the
>>>>> best, not because they run flawlessly, not because they copy files
>>>>> fastest or burn CD's well, not because they have the best security
>>>>> features, not because of their bug free operation, not because of
>>>>> their 'reasonable' prices, not because of the speed, but because
>>>>> Microshaft basically is the only show in town.
>>>
>>> Hey, I'm here mainly to download porn and annoy people.
>>>
>>
>>All the good porn has already been downloaded.
>>The wife deletes all mine.
>
> Poor Mr. Death... I'm very surprised! You should be more assertive
> with your overbearing wife and try to stand up to her more often. If
> my wife ever laid a hand on my porn, she would be a very sorry
> individual.
>
> Now tell the truth... Was it your nasty old wife who told you that all
> the good porn has already been taken?? Because she is deceiving you -
> BIG-TIME!!! I'm here to tell you that there still exists a plethora of
> excellent porn currently floating all around Cyberspace! Its true!!
>

It was a joke, dumbass.
My interest in porn ended long ago...think I was 15.
Saved a bundle in tissues.

>>>>BooHoo...poor you, too stupid to find alternatives.
>>>>Skilled you are not.
>>>>Even dumbass iDumbasses can find another OS.
>>>
>>> Okay, lets see... alternatives... Linux... too cheap... complicated...
>>> Hmmmmm how about MAC OS... nah, I hate proprietary hardware. Steve
>>> Jobs is akin to any number of cult leaders and I don't like cults...
>>> hmmmm ... Ubuntu?... not bad but I can't play many games with it e.g.
>>> ZORK I, Colossal Cave, etc... hmmmm DOS! CP/M! DR-DOS!...nah, all to
>>> texty... Google Chrome!!! Yeah, that's the ticket! Well, maybe not
>>> yet, not due for release until later this year... DAMN!...Well, Mr.
>>> Death, it seems you're right. I'm am a crying, stupid, completely
>>> unskilled Dumbass. Can you please suggest a couple of VIABLE
>>> alternatives for me?
>>>
>
>>1. Write your own OS.
>
>>2. Settle for what is offered, and stop your whining.
>
> Please Mr. Death. I asked you nicely for VIABLE alternatives, for I'm
> just "too stupid to find alternatives"! And, you said yourself that
> "even dumbass iDumbasses can find another OS". The truth is that I
> could never write my own OS and I really hate all of Micro$haft's
> offerings and I can't recommend open source... I really hate to whine
> again but could you please show me that you aren't a stupid unskilled
> dumbass and provide just TWO VIABLE alternatives?
>

Man, are you fuckin dense.
There are plenty of alternatives.
If you need your fuckin hand held, I don't know what to tell you.

You are the one saying Windows is the only game in town.
Yet bitch about them.
Tough shit, I guess.


>>>>You hate people you've never met?
>>>>That's psychotic.
>>>>And you hate a company that employs quite a few people.
>
> The NAZI war machine employed quite a few people... Just sayin'!
>
> Maybe Halliburton?
>

I hate neither.
NAZIs didn't do anything to me personally, so what do I care?

Don't care about Halliburton neither.

I assume you fear all large corporations?
Good for you.

>>>>I'm sure whatever you do is quite valuable... to you.
>>>
>>> Yes. I am just psychotic enough to hate people/companies I've never
>>> ever met... Hitler... Osama bin Laden...Bill O'Reilly... George W.
>>> Bush... Comcast...AT&T...Saddam Hussain... OJ Simpson...etc.
>>>
>>
>>Weird.
>>I like GW.
>>Not personally, but he seemed a normal enough person.
>>Take him over a socialist Obama any day.
>
> I wouldn't mind partying with GW. I would probably go to a poker game
> with him, if asked. He seems really stupid and I'm sure I could take
> him to the cleaners. HEY! Maybe you could ask GW for a VIABLE
> alternative?
>
>>>>> BTW, Microshaft describes Bill Gate's penis, I am a total fucktard, a
>>>>> liar, a stupid cunt, I don't know squat and I will fuck off so attack
>>>>> me personally if you dare, I don't care.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who need dare.
>>>>You said nothing.
>>>
>>> Not yet... NOTHING!!! There, I'm yelling it for your enjoyment...
>>>
>>> Thanx Mr. Death... although, seriously, I hope not to see you soon.
>>
>>me too.
>
> Okay. Enough of this jibber-jabber. I'm too busy to spend any more
> time on this - anyway, there are three rascally squirrels currently in
> my yard scheming to find ways into my bird feeders and I have to
> figure out how to keep them out. SO, please answer the following
> honestly and to yourself.
>
> Would you rather live in a world:
>
> A. such as ours, that has multiple Automobile Manufacturers in
> competition with each other, all vying for the $$$ in our pockets and
> striving to supply consumers with products that are better, cheaper
> and more efficient and luxorious than their competitors offerings.
>
> B. that has only one Automobile Manufacturer with maybe two or three
> 'different' car models that cost consumers as much $$$ as the
> manufacturer feels it deserves, even though their products never ever
> work right off the assembly line, are required to be taken back to the
> dealer on the second Tuesday of each month for fixes and upgrades in
> order to avert disasters and products that last no more than a few
> years - such as our current OS situation.
>
> I don't know about you Mr. Death, but option A for me would seem to be
> the fairer one for everyone.
>

I don't give a shit either way.
I'd build my own fuckin car...or I'd live with it.

You'll spend your life whining about it.
Good for you.
Most Americans have turned into whiney little babies, much like
yourself, incapable of doing it, so you expect others to do it
for you, under your terms.
Haha ... I call 'em losers.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
 
D

Death

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:

> Death wrote:
>
>> Weird.
>> I like GW.
>> Not personally, but he seemed a normal enough person.
>> Take him over a socialist Obama any day.
>
> That about says it all. Maybe when you get sick and find out the
> insurance companies left you with thousands of dollars of co payment
> that you don't have will you understand what real socialism is.

Wrong...muttonchop.
I have it.
It would take 100's of thousands to burdon me.
What part of I am financially capable of taking care of myself and
therefore I am against handouts to dumbass morons do you not get?
If I was poor, like you *must be*, perhaps I would share that opinion.
If an individual cannot take care of themselves, what the fuck do I
care?
Stop making babies, then.
Get a job, get two if you have to.
It shouldn't be my problem, nor the problem of my child and his
potential children to pay for the lazy dumbasses of today.

WE live in a time, and its fuckin bizarre that it has been allowed to
get this way, where the food these dumbasses spunge today will be payed
for by their grand, great-grand children.

Nice.
Perfectly acceptable...to scumbags.

> We have
> seen what your buddies Bush and Cheney did with unchecked capitalism.
> Maybe you should go into the Gulf of Mexico for a swim in their honor.
>

Umm...they aren't my buddies, dumbass.
I don't Hate them...I'm not a fuckin moron in that way.

You could elect a monkey president...nothing would change, you twit.
Government has gotten too large, gotten into hand holding, coddling,
babysitting, feeding, clothing, housing, uneducating little sissies that
whine about everything...yet are at the mercy of everyone because they
are incapable of taking care of themselves.

You want Oil to go away?
Stop buying it, its by-products, using any technolgy that uses it.
Then convince 5 billion other people to do the same.
As long as there is a market for it, they will get it from where ever it
exist.
Don't like it?
Too bad.
Get on the bus, ask the driver to take you where someone cares.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
 
K

Kazumé

Flightless Bird
On 15 Jun 2010 22:30:09 +0200, Death <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote:

>Kazum? wrote:
>
>> On 15 Jun 2010 01:51:22 +0200, Death <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>>> I don't understand this. I took two Linux (Redhat) cert. classes for
>>>> fun a couple of years ago and then when I saw Ubuntu, its kernel, the
>>>> way it compiled, the command structure, man pages and I loved that vi
>>>> editor. Well, it at least looks similar, wouldn't you say???
>>>>
>>>
>>>What don't you understand about open source?
>>>It's what linux is all about...but in an attempt to "catch MS" or
>>>whatever these new distros are up too...they've loaded up on closed
>>>source drivers.
>>>Kind of cheating a little, I'd say.
>>>Linux video drivers suck it ... and without closed source drivers, no
>>>one would install it on a desktop PC.
>>
>> I know that open source is like Wikipedia. Anybody can contribute
>> and/or make changes, add enhancements, etc.
>>
>> Maybe I'm wrong, but the major problems I see with open source is that
>> there are simply too many hands in the pot and not enough hard
>> standards. I simply can't recommend an open source operating system to
>> my customers only to find later that it won't run that new CAD program
>> or print to his new color laser because of software incompatibilities.
>> Alternately, I CAN recommend anything from Microsoft. Then if there is
>> incompatibility, I just blame it on Billy Gates...
>>
>> I still hate Microsoft though.
>>
>
>So what?
>What the fuck do I care?
>I said you are a mental patient for hating a company.
>And you are.

Have to take my meds. See ya.

>> <SNIP>
>>
>>>>>You passed on Vista, yet proclaim it a turd.
>>>>
>>>>>Nutball.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm a 100% certified Nutball! By "passed", I meant that I did not
>>>> risk installing either OS on any of my own personal (or my wife's)
>>>> desktop systems. Sorry about the mix-up. However, many of my customers
>>>> were forced to purchase Vista preloaded on new laptops. I know this
>>>> because a number of them called me to see if I could take Vista off
>>>> and load XP. As for Millenium, Jeebiz Cripes! That turd made me so
>>>> much $$$! As a repair person, I loved it! If I were a customer of
>>>> Microshaft though, I would have never purchased another of their
>>>> products again.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Microshaft?
>>
>> Yes! I like to think that it describes Bill Gates' penis.
>>
>
>Figures, as you are some kind a mental moron.

Which kind?

>>>>>Stop reading the blogs of dumbasses, you'll be OK.
>>
>>>> I'm 54-y.o. I've been working with computers for 33 years but I have
>>>> never read a single blog (I don't text or twitter either). I sometimes
>>>> research new hardware and/or software by Googling for opinions and
>>>> reviews but I only use that information to form my own opinions.
>>>>
>>
>>>LOL.
>>>Then you didn't "form" your own opinion.
>>>You based it off the opinions of others.
>>>The only way to form your own opinion of a product is to use it.
>>
>> Maybe you're right, Mr. Death. However, let me further explain the
>> process I use to "form" an opinion: I typically start by gathering
>> bits and pieces of reviews, opinions and recommendations from numerous
>> sources (not blogs) I have come to trust in my 33 years in the
>> computer field. This initial research helps me choose a product and
>> serves as the basis for my 'pre-opinion' of that product. I then
>> purchase the item and use/experiment/test it personally to verify that
>> my own assessment of the product is in line with everything I have
>> read about it. Only then will I give a customer my personal
>> recommendation, understanding that my own reputation is on the line.
>> If my procedure is not to your liking, I could always just blindly
>> purchase 40-50 different items then spend the next year or so using,
>> testing and evaluating them personally. Only problem, I don't think I
>> have the time or money to actually do that...
>>
>
>Once again...I don't give a fuck.
>You said you form your own opinion based on what you read.
>That is simply not possible.
>It may be the method you use, others go by word of mouth.
>Gives rise to rampant speculation and judgements based on inaccurate
>inf.ormation.

Sheesh! You're as dense as a singularity...

>>>>>> Anyway, I use Microshaft operating systems NOT because they are the
>>>>>> best, not because they run flawlessly, not because they copy files
>>>>>> fastest or burn CD's well, not because they have the best security
>>>>>> features, not because of their bug free operation, not because of
>>>>>> their 'reasonable' prices, not because of the speed, but because
>>>>>> Microshaft basically is the only show in town.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I'm here mainly to download porn and annoy people.
>>>>
>>>
>>>All the good porn has already been downloaded.
>>>The wife deletes all mine.
>>
>> Poor Mr. Death... I'm very surprised! You should be more assertive
>> with your overbearing wife and try to stand up to her more often. If
>> my wife ever laid a hand on my porn, she would be a very sorry
>> individual.
>>
>> Now tell the truth... Was it your nasty old wife who told you that all
>> the good porn has already been taken?? Because she is deceiving you -
>> BIG-TIME!!! I'm here to tell you that there still exists a plethora of
>> excellent porn currently floating all around Cyberspace! Its true!!
>>
>
>It was a joke, dumbass.
>My interest in porn ended long ago...think I was 15.
>Saved a bundle in tissues.

Wow. You went limp so early in life. Must be all that pent up anger.

>>>>>BooHoo...poor you, too stupid to find alternatives.
>>>>>Skilled you are not.
>>>>>Even dumbass iDumbasses can find another OS.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, lets see... alternatives... Linux... too cheap... complicated...
>>>> Hmmmmm how about MAC OS... nah, I hate proprietary hardware. Steve
>>>> Jobs is akin to any number of cult leaders and I don't like cults...
>>>> hmmmm ... Ubuntu?... not bad but I can't play many games with it e.g.
>>>> ZORK I, Colossal Cave, etc... hmmmm DOS! CP/M! DR-DOS!...nah, all to
>>>> texty... Google Chrome!!! Yeah, that's the ticket! Well, maybe not
>>>> yet, not due for release until later this year... DAMN!...Well, Mr.
>>>> Death, it seems you're right. I'm am a crying, stupid, completely
>>>> unskilled Dumbass. Can you please suggest a couple of VIABLE
>>>> alternatives for me?
>>>>
>>
>>>1. Write your own OS.
>>
>>>2. Settle for what is offered, and stop your whining.
>>
>> Please Mr. Death. I asked you nicely for VIABLE alternatives, for I'm
>> just "too stupid to find alternatives"! And, you said yourself that
>> "even dumbass iDumbasses can find another OS". The truth is that I
>> could never write my own OS and I really hate all of Micro$haft's
>> offerings and I can't recommend open source... I really hate to whine
>> again but could you please show me that you aren't a stupid unskilled
>> dumbass and provide just TWO VIABLE alternatives?
>>
>
>Man, are you fuckin dense.
>There are plenty of alternatives.
>If you need your fuckin hand held, I don't know what to tell you.

Once again. Name just one VIABLE alternative.

>You are the one saying Windows is the only game in town.
>Yet bitch about them.
>Tough shit, I guess.

I just love bitching, I guess.

>
>>>>>You hate people you've never met?
>>>>>That's psychotic.
>>>>>And you hate a company that employs quite a few people.
>>
>> The NAZI war machine employed quite a few people... Just sayin'!
>>
>> Maybe Halliburton?
>>
>
>I hate neither.
>NAZIs didn't do anything to me personally, so what do I care?
>
>Don't care about Halliburton neither.
>
>I assume you fear all large corporations?
>Good for you.

I fear HEINZ! That catsup is frightening. Is it catsup, or ketchup?

>>>>>I'm sure whatever you do is quite valuable... to you.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I am just psychotic enough to hate people/companies I've never
>>>> ever met... Hitler... Osama bin Laden...Bill O'Reilly... George W.
>>>> Bush... Comcast...AT&T...Saddam Hussain... OJ Simpson...etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Weird.
>>>I like GW.
>>>Not personally, but he seemed a normal enough person.
>>>Take him over a socialist Obama any day.
>>
>> I wouldn't mind partying with GW. I would probably go to a poker game
>> with him, if asked. He seems really stupid and I'm sure I could take
>> him to the cleaners. HEY! Maybe you could ask GW for a VIABLE
>> alternative?
>>
>>>>>> BTW, Microshaft describes Bill Gate's penis, I am a total fucktard, a
>>>>>> liar, a stupid cunt, I don't know squat and I will fuck off so attack
>>>>>> me personally if you dare, I don't care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Who need dare.
>>>>>You said nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Not yet... NOTHING!!! There, I'm yelling it for your enjoyment...
>>>>
>>>> Thanx Mr. Death... although, seriously, I hope not to see you soon.
>>>
>>>me too.
>>
>> Okay. Enough of this jibber-jabber. I'm too busy to spend any more
>> time on this - anyway, there are three rascally squirrels currently in
>> my yard scheming to find ways into my bird feeders and I have to
>> figure out how to keep them out. SO, please answer the following
>> honestly and to yourself.
>>
>> Would you rather live in a world:
>>
>> A. such as ours, that has multiple Automobile Manufacturers in
>> competition with each other, all vying for the $$$ in our pockets and
>> striving to supply consumers with products that are better, cheaper
>> and more efficient and luxorious than their competitors offerings.
>>
>> B. that has only one Automobile Manufacturer with maybe two or three
>> 'different' car models that cost consumers as much $$$ as the
>> manufacturer feels it deserves, even though their products never ever
>> work right off the assembly line, are required to be taken back to the
>> dealer on the second Tuesday of each month for fixes and upgrades in
>> order to avert disasters and products that last no more than a few
>> years - such as our current OS situation.
>>
>> I don't know about you Mr. Death, but option A for me would seem to be
>> the fairer one for everyone.
>>
>
>I don't give a shit either way.
>I'd build my own fuckin car...or I'd live with it.

Out of noodles? or ketchup?

>You'll spend your life whining about it.
>Good for you.
>Most Americans have turned into whiney little babies, much like
>yourself, incapable of doing it, so you expect others to do it
>for you, under your terms.
>Haha ... I call 'em losers.

I am a whiner, but I don't spend a whole lot of time whining. Only ten
or fifteen minutes per day. I figure it's worth it as long as it
annoys some other gullible human.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
Death wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Death wrote:
>>
>>> Weird.
>>> I like GW.
>>> Not personally, but he seemed a normal enough person.
>>> Take him over a socialist Obama any day.
>>
>> That about says it all. Maybe when you get sick and find out the
>> insurance companies left you with thousands of dollars of co payment
>> that you don't have will you understand what real socialism is.
>
> Wrong...muttonchop.
> I have it.
> It would take 100's of thousands to burdon [sic] me.

I'm talking about a lot more. I knew a guy who had MILLIONS and died
broke because his body went one part at a time over ten years. He died
broke making the co payments for all the operations he had.

> What part of I am financially capable of taking care of myself and
> therefore I am against handouts to dumbass morons do you not get?

See above.

> If I was poor, like you *must be*, perhaps I would share that opinion.
> If an individual cannot take care of themselves, what the fuck do I
> care?

Today someone else is broke. Tomorrow you are. Your disdain for those
less fortunate than you will be the overriding cause for your eventual
poverty.

> Stop making babies, then.
> Get a job, get two if you have to.
> It shouldn't be my problem, nor the problem of my child and his
> potential children to pay for the lazy dumbasses of today.

Gosh, you sound like a right wing wacko.

>
> WE live in a time, and its fuckin bizarre that it has been allowed to
> get this way, where the food these dumbasses spunge today will be payed
> for by their grand, great-grand children.

You ARE a right wing wacko scumbag.

>
> Nice.
> Perfectly acceptable...to scumbags.

That would be you, scumbag.

>
>> We have
>> seen what your buddies Bush and Cheney did with unchecked capitalism.
>> Maybe you should go into the Gulf of Mexico for a swim in their honor.
>>
>
> Umm...they aren't my buddies, dumbass.

You act like you would like to BE them.

> I don't Hate them...I'm not a fuckin moron in that way.

In what way are you a moron, then?

>
> You could elect a monkey president...nothing would change, you twit.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt wrong.

> Government has gotten too large, gotten into hand holding, coddling,
> babysitting, feeding, clothing, housing, uneducating little sissies that
> whine about everything...yet are at the mercy of everyone because they
> are incapable of taking care of themselves.

More right wing wacko crap.

>
> You want Oil to go away?
> Stop buying it, its by-products, using any technolgy that uses it.
> Then convince 5 billion other people to do the same.
> As long as there is a market for it, they will get it from where ever it
> exist.
> Don't like it?
> Too bad.
> Get on the bus, ask the driver to take you where someone cares.
>

I don't take the bus. If I need to go further than a nice walk, I take a
taxi. If I need to go even further, I rent a BMW.

--
Alias
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 06/15/2010 06:42 PM, J. D. wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:50:49 -0400, Kazumé<Oocyte@fallopian.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:12:15 +0700, John B. Slocomb
>> <johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, put it this way then - if you want a real bullet proof version
>>> of Linux go to Redhat or Suse enterprice versions. If you want the
>>> latest cutting edge that likely will develop problems then take the
>>> free stuff - you'll be running stuff that the company have released to
>>> see whether it works or not.
>>
>> Sorry to butt into your little spat, but, this ludicrous statement
>> absolutely describes Microsoft's operating systems to a 'T': "stuff
>> that the company have released to see whether it works or not".
>>
>> I've had at least eight systems in my home running MS O/S'es for the
>> past fifteen years (was a reseller). I have used Linux& Ubuntu on
>> older computers but mainly for experimentation purposes only.
>>
>> The only time I ever loaded a system with an MS O/S that was not at
>> least a year and a half old was Win95, in August of 1995, which was a
>> giant piece of shit until SP2 - same goes for Win98& XP. I passed
>> completely on MILLENIUM& VISTA, the two biggest pieces of shit
>> operating systems ever produced by human brains, gigantic turds that
>> would have destroyed the reputation of any other company on the face
>> of the Earth, except of course for a company that has a solid
>> government/lemming supported monopoly.
>>
>> Anyway, I use Microshaft operating systems NOT because they are the
>> best, not because they run flawlessly, not because they copy files
>> fastest or burn CD's well, not because they have the best security
>> features, not because of their bug free operation, not because of
>> their 'reasonable' prices, not because of the speed, but because
>> Microshaft basically is the only show in town.
>>
>> I hate Microshit and Bill Gates for eliminating competition in the
>> operating system arena and for being able to drop humongous TURDS on
>> their customers without even so much as a whimper of a complaint.
>>
>> BTW, Microshaft describes Bill Gate's penis, I am a total fucktard, a
>> liar, a stupid cunt, I don't know squat and I will fuck off so attack
>> me personally if you dare, I don't care.
>>
>> Kaz
>
>
> Your post provides the best explanation for why Microsoft is the
> dominant operating system for PC's in the world that I have read for
> some time..
>
> For the first few years PC's were built you had a choice in operating
> systems, MS DOS or CP/M. At the time CP/M was the best system for PC's
> available but what did the average buyer know? You could get a PC with
> MS DOS, and you could also buy from the same vendor all kinds of
> programs to use on it. CP/M was an operating system and the Digital
> Research didn't market other user software and while there were plenty
> of programs available for CP/M you sort of had to go looking for them.
> DOS programs were right there on the shelf.
>
> And then Microsoft built Windows - WOW! A graphics interface and the
> snazziest thing since sliced bread to most users.
>
> Of course a few years after Windows 95 you could buy a
> multi-processing, multi-tasking operating system for PC's from IBM but
> while it included an office suite there was very little user software
> available for it and IBM did, frankly, a lousy job of marketing and a
> major portion of the PC world didn't even know about it.
>
> And all this time, from the early days of the PC there have been
> various shades of Unix, and later Linux, available for the PC. but
> there were also a couple of rivers to cross if you wanted to use it.
> You had to install it which was a multitude of floppies and once
> installed, if you wanted the graphics interface you needed to
> configure "X" which was a task in itself. You needed to know all
> kinds of things about your monitor, scan rate and so on, and there was
> a very real chance that you would burn up your monitor if you
> configured "X" incorrectly.
>
> To the average user that was a task equal to climbing the Matterhorn.
> so the continued to buy Microsoft.
>
> And they continue to buy MS because it is the best thing that they
> know about.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John D. Slocomb
> (jdslocombatgmail)

Yeah, but the times they are a changing and more and more people are
using Linux than ever before. When someone thinks of buying a game
console, phone or tablet, they don't think Microsoft. Microsoft was
behind the game with the Internet and now it's behind the game in mobile
devices and Cloud Computing.

This latest Ubuntu is a game changer. Install it now with the latest
updates and you'll be amazed.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 6/16/2010 2:26 AM, Alias wrote:
> On 06/15/2010 06:42 PM, J. D. wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:50:49 -0400, Kazumé<Oocyte@fallopian.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:12:15 +0700, John B. Slocomb
>>> <johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, put it this way then - if you want a real bullet proof version
>>>> of Linux go to Redhat or Suse enterprice versions. If you want the
>>>> latest cutting edge that likely will develop problems then take the
>>>> free stuff - you'll be running stuff that the company have released to
>>>> see whether it works or not.
>>>
>>> Sorry to butt into your little spat, but, this ludicrous statement
>>> absolutely describes Microsoft's operating systems to a 'T': "stuff
>>> that the company have released to see whether it works or not".
>>>
>>> I've had at least eight systems in my home running MS O/S'es for the
>>> past fifteen years (was a reseller). I have used Linux& Ubuntu on
>>> older computers but mainly for experimentation purposes only.
>>>
>>> The only time I ever loaded a system with an MS O/S that was not at
>>> least a year and a half old was Win95, in August of 1995, which was a
>>> giant piece of shit until SP2 - same goes for Win98& XP. I passed
>>> completely on MILLENIUM& VISTA, the two biggest pieces of shit
>>> operating systems ever produced by human brains, gigantic turds that
>>> would have destroyed the reputation of any other company on the face
>>> of the Earth, except of course for a company that has a solid
>>> government/lemming supported monopoly.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I use Microshaft operating systems NOT because they are the
>>> best, not because they run flawlessly, not because they copy files
>>> fastest or burn CD's well, not because they have the best security
>>> features, not because of their bug free operation, not because of
>>> their 'reasonable' prices, not because of the speed, but because
>>> Microshaft basically is the only show in town.
>>>
>>> I hate Microshit and Bill Gates for eliminating competition in the
>>> operating system arena and for being able to drop humongous TURDS on
>>> their customers without even so much as a whimper of a complaint.
>>>
>>> BTW, Microshaft describes Bill Gate's penis, I am a total fucktard, a
>>> liar, a stupid cunt, I don't know squat and I will fuck off so attack
>>> me personally if you dare, I don't care.
>>>
>>> Kaz
>>
>>
>> Your post provides the best explanation for why Microsoft is the
>> dominant operating system for PC's in the world that I have read for
>> some time..
>>
>> For the first few years PC's were built you had a choice in operating
>> systems, MS DOS or CP/M. At the time CP/M was the best system for PC's
>> available but what did the average buyer know? You could get a PC with
>> MS DOS, and you could also buy from the same vendor all kinds of
>> programs to use on it. CP/M was an operating system and the Digital
>> Research didn't market other user software and while there were plenty
>> of programs available for CP/M you sort of had to go looking for them.
>> DOS programs were right there on the shelf.
>>
>> And then Microsoft built Windows - WOW! A graphics interface and the
>> snazziest thing since sliced bread to most users.
>>
>> Of course a few years after Windows 95 you could buy a
>> multi-processing, multi-tasking operating system for PC's from IBM but
>> while it included an office suite there was very little user software
>> available for it and IBM did, frankly, a lousy job of marketing and a
>> major portion of the PC world didn't even know about it.
>>
>> And all this time, from the early days of the PC there have been
>> various shades of Unix, and later Linux, available for the PC. but
>> there were also a couple of rivers to cross if you wanted to use it.
>> You had to install it which was a multitude of floppies and once
>> installed, if you wanted the graphics interface you needed to
>> configure "X" which was a task in itself. You needed to know all
>> kinds of things about your monitor, scan rate and so on, and there was
>> a very real chance that you would burn up your monitor if you
>> configured "X" incorrectly.
>>
>> To the average user that was a task equal to climbing the Matterhorn.
>> so the continued to buy Microsoft.
>>
>> And they continue to buy MS because it is the best thing that they
>> know about.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John D. Slocomb
>> (jdslocombatgmail)
>
> Yeah, but the times they are a changing and more and more people are
> using Linux than ever before.

....with the same results...after a few days, they nuke that POS forever.

When someone thinks of buying a game
> console, phone or tablet, they don't think Microsoft.

Oh, so X-Box isn't selling huh?...Hahahah...I suggest you shove your
head back up your stupid, ignorant, arrogant ass...where it belongs.

Microsoft was
> behind the game with the Internet and now it's behind the game in mobile
> devices and Cloud Computing.

You really don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you.
>
> This latest Ubuntu is a game changer.

No, it's still the same useless toy POS os for lying losers like you.

Install it now with the latest
> updates and you'll be amazed.

I did and I'm amazed that it is still the some POS as before.
I guess you like POS's huh?
Figures.
>
 
K

Kazumé

Flightless Bird
On 15 Jun 2010 22:30:09 +0200, Death <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote:

<SNIP - SNIP>

One more thing, Mr. Death. I forgot to tell you that in addition to my
psychiatric problems and my stupidity, I also have been diagnosed with
laundromophobia and OCD. The laundromophobia isn't a problem but the
OCD can be a real pain in the ass. It just means that I can't leave
this thread until I get the last word in. That could take a day or a
year or even forever...

Forever...

....Death is FOREVER!!!

....OH NOOOOOoooooooo Mr. Death!!!!

Sorry...
 
D

Death

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:

> Death wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Death wrote:
>>>
>>>> Weird.
>>>> I like GW.
>>>> Not personally, but he seemed a normal enough person.
>>>> Take him over a socialist Obama any day.
>>>
>>> That about says it all. Maybe when you get sick and find out the
>>> insurance companies left you with thousands of dollars of co payment
>>> that you don't have will you understand what real socialism is.
>>
>> Wrong...muttonchop.
>> I have it.
>> It would take 100's of thousands to burdon [sic] me.
>
> I'm talking about a lot more. I knew a guy who had MILLIONS and died
> broke because his body went one part at a time over ten years. He died
> broke making the co payments for all the operations he had.
>

You know a lot of people that always seem to suffer the "worst case
scenario".
Strange that, but no matter, even if I believe you, he died
broke...nothing wrong with that, you can't take it with you.

I'm hoping to die with a single nickel left.

>> What part of I am financially capable of taking care of myself and
>> therefore I am against handouts to dumbass morons do you not get?
>
> See above.
>

For?
Bird-poop?

>> If I was poor, like you *must be*, perhaps I would share that opinion.
>> If an individual cannot take care of themselves, what the fuck do I
>> care?
>
> Today someone else is broke. Tomorrow you are. Your disdain for those
> less fortunate than you will be the overriding cause for your eventual
> poverty.
>

Hahaha.
Not bloody likely.

I have NO disdain for them.
I help the poor all the time...you outta see how much I pay in taxes.

My dislike is of the stupid ones whom get drunk and make babies that I
and other responsible citizens have the priviledge of raising.
I get to feed the morons that grow up to rob people.

I have nothing against poor people, and am more than willing to help any
with the smallest iota of ambition to one day care for themselves.

Do you know, in the US, only 44% of people pay taxes?

As you can see from our deficits, gets pretty hard for 4 people to take
care of 10 people and maintain a quality of life.

With the socialist...it will be 2 people taking care of 10, and 6 of
those will work for the government.

Unsustainable.

>> Stop making babies, then.
>> Get a job, get two if you have to.
>> It shouldn't be my problem, nor the problem of my child and his
>> potential children to pay for the lazy dumbasses of today.
>
> Gosh, you sound like a right wing wacko.
>

I'm sure I do to a socialist pig.

>>
>> WE live in a time, and its fuckin bizarre that it has been allowed to
>> get this way, where the food these dumbasses spunge today will be payed
>> for by their grand, great-grand children.
>
> You ARE a right wing wacko scumbag.
>

No, these peoples food will be paid for by the unborn.
If that concept is not intolerable to you, then you are a "its all about
me" socialist.
And you are, no suprise to me.

Guarentee you are some kind of ward of the state.
Been milking people for money since you slinked away from the US.

>>
>> Nice.
>> Perfectly acceptable...to scumbags.
>
> That would be you, scumbag.
>

Incorrect.


>>
>>> We have
>>> seen what your buddies Bush and Cheney did with unchecked capitalism.
>>> Maybe you should go into the Gulf of Mexico for a swim in their honor.
>>>
>>
>> Umm...they aren't my buddies, dumbass.
>
> You act like you would like to BE them.
>

I'm not acting.


>> I don't Hate them...I'm not a fuckin moron in that way.
>
> In what way are you a moron, then?
>

Wasting time argueing with a lazy, socialist pig...I suppose.

>>
>> You could elect a monkey president...nothing would change, you twit.
>
> Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt wrong.
>

Well, it won't happen, because no monkey would want that job.
But if a monkey runs for office, I'm campaigning for him/her.

>> Government has gotten too large, gotten into hand holding, coddling,
>> babysitting, feeding, clothing, housing, uneducating little sissies that
>> whine about everything...yet are at the mercy of everyone because they
>> are incapable of taking care of themselves.
>
> More right wing wacko crap.
>

Looking at the deficits, its the truth, and none of these government
systems seem to be working.
For 30 years, education would improve with "more money".
Trillions of dollars were tossed to them, and seems the money got
squandered, cause the kids are still dumb as a brick.
Those morons can't even understand a credit card agreement after 16
years of school.
Then the whining starts.
Help me, government, help me...I was been tricked.

>>
>> You want Oil to go away?
>> Stop buying it, its by-products, using any technolgy that uses it.
>> Then convince 5 billion other people to do the same.
>> As long as there is a market for it, they will get it from where ever it
>> exist.
>> Don't like it?
>> Too bad.
>> Get on the bus, ask the driver to take you where someone cares.
>>
>
> I don't take the bus. If I need to go further than a nice walk, I take a
> taxi. If I need to go even further, I rent a BMW.
>

An oil burning BMW?
You caused the spill in the gulf.
Asshole.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
 
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