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XS11E

Flightless Bird
"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> XS11E wrote:
>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The trolls ruined it and chased many away.
>>
>> There are no trolls here for people using a newsreader that
>> allows proper kill-filing and scoring.
>>
>> You might give it a try....
>
> The spoiler is the people who can't resist feeding the trolls. I
> have a pretty good plonk list established, but it is spoiled by
> pages of threads that start with "Re:" and trash talk the original
> posting troll.

That's because T'Burp has no scoring....


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Flightless Bird
XS11E wrote:
> "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> XS11E wrote:
>>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trolls ruined it and chased many away.
>>> There are no trolls here for people using a newsreader that
>>> allows proper kill-filing and scoring.
>>>
>>> You might give it a try....
>> The spoiler is the people who can't resist feeding the trolls. I
>> have a pretty good plonk list established, but it is spoiled by
>> pages of threads that start with "Re:" and trash talk the original
>> posting troll.
>
> That's because T'Burp has no scoring....

OK. I'll bite. I'm not married to Tbird. It was just a handy replacement
for OE. Presumably XNews has scoring. How does scoring work?
--
Crash

"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth."
~ Otto von Bismarck ~
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Flightless Bird
XS11E wrote:
> "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> XS11E wrote:
>>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trolls ruined it and chased many away.
>>> There are no trolls here for people using a newsreader that
>>> allows proper kill-filing and scoring.
>>>
>>> You might give it a try....
>> The spoiler is the people who can't resist feeding the trolls. I
>> have a pretty good plonk list established, but it is spoiled by
>> pages of threads that start with "Re:" and trash talk the original
>> posting troll.
>
> That's because T'Burp has no scoring....

I downloaded XNews and looked over the docs, but I am still lost when it
comes to blocking followups to known trolls (feeding the troll):

% kill if from known troll
Score: -9999
From: Joe Troll

% kill followup to known troll
Score: -9999
????

--
Crash

"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory."
~ W. Edwards Deming ~
 
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Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:11:29 +1000, "P"
<thomaspz@_takeout_bigpond.com> wrote:

>It was a dark day when Microsoft killed off the newsgroups.

Not really. To repeat what's been said many times, it's not like the
newsgroups are going anywhere. Microsoft exiting will pretty much go
unnoticed. Nothing has been killed off.
 
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DanS

Flightless Bird
"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:hFW0o.10328$Zp1.6890@newsfe15.iad:

> XS11E wrote:
>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The trolls ruined it and chased many away.
>>
>> There are no trolls here for people using a newsreader
>> that allows proper kill-filing and scoring.
>>
>> You might give it a try....
>
> The spoiler is the people who can't resist feeding the
> trolls. I have a pretty good plonk list established, but it
> is spoiled by pages of threads that start with "Re:" and
> trash talk the original posting troll.

I've said that a million times.........if you kf posters, you
will end up with a LOT of threads just starting out RE:.

It's easier just to ignore these threads.....it's not hard to
spot them....unless you're (not you) a complete retard.
 
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Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
"Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message
news:Xns9DBA4B4FBD519tattoovampire@news.albasani.net...
> Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
>
>> Thunderbird has that option.
>
> So does Gravity.
>
> --
> Regards,
> [tv]
> Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
>
> ...I slit my throat on the cutting edge of technology.



It's been about a year and a half since I tried Gravity. At that time, new
posts didn't populate automatically, or I never found the setting. Perhaps
I'll revisit it. Other than that, it looked quite nice.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
 
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Gordon

Flightless Bird
On 19/07/2010 15:01, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:11:29 +1000, "P"
> <thomaspz@_takeout_bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> It was a dark day when Microsoft killed off the newsgroups.
>
> Not really. To repeat what's been said many times, it's not like the
> newsgroups are going anywhere. Microsoft exiting will pretty much go
> unnoticed. Nothing has been killed off.
>

Except in most of the "MS" newsgroups that I used to read using the MS
News server, and now access via Eternal September, the traffic has gone
to ZERO....
So yes, they HAVE been killed off....
 
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Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:01:05 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:11:29 +1000, "P"
> <thomaspz@_takeout_bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >It was a dark day when Microsoft killed off the newsgroups.
>
> Not really. To repeat what's been said many times, it's not like the
> newsgroups are going anywhere. Microsoft exiting will pretty much go
> unnoticed.


Not true.


> Nothing has been killed off.



Right, not literally. But Microsoft's stopping carrying them has
dramatically reduced the traffic in them. They may not disappear
immediately, but from a practical standpoint they will be probably be
very close to gone in a short time.
 
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Gordon

Flightless Bird
On 19/07/2010 18:09, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:01:05 -0500, Char Jackson<none@none.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:11:29 +1000, "P"
>> <thomaspz@_takeout_bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It was a dark day when Microsoft killed off the newsgroups.
>>
>> Not really. To repeat what's been said many times, it's not like the
>> newsgroups are going anywhere. Microsoft exiting will pretty much go
>> unnoticed.
>
>
> Not true.
>
>
>> Nothing has been killed off.
>
>
>
> Right, not literally. But Microsoft's stopping carrying them has
> dramatically reduced the traffic in them. They may not disappear
> immediately, but from a practical standpoint they will be probably be
> very close to gone in a short time.

There are six newsgroups that I used to subscribe to on the MS news
server, and now subscribe using Eternal September where the traffic has
gone down to ZERO. And they were reasonably busy groups on the MS
server... :-(
 
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XS11E

Flightless Bird
"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I downloaded XNews and looked over the docs, but I am still lost
> when it comes to blocking followups to known trolls (feeding the
> troll):
>
> % kill if from known troll
> Score: -9999
> From: Joe Troll
>
> % kill followup to known troll
> Score: -9999
> ????

First, you probably don't want to block followups, that allows a known
troll to "poison" a thread,suppose someone asks a question about Win7
and receives several answers. So far, so good. Next, a Linux Troll
posts his/her/it's usual crap and you set the score to -9999 for Joe
Troll but followups need to be set to less than -9999 (I use -5000) so
now the follow ups are downloaded (I download headers only) and marked
so you can read them or not but you recognize them a followups to a
troll.

Example, here's my scoring for Google Groupers:
=================================================
Score: -9999
Message-ID: googlegroups\.com

Score: -5000
References: googlegroups
=================================================

Simple, easy and effective. It allows me to see replies to Google
Group Spammers and read (if I want) in the rare case a Google Grouper
has posted something other than spam.

Xnews also has the convenient "Get Parent" and "Reconstruct Thread"
features so I can go back and get the original GG post if needed.

You can ask any questions about Xnews and scoring in
news.software.readers, many very sharp people are there. Also, the
late (and much missed) Blinky the Shark left us with his own Xnews
site:

http://twovoyagers.com/blinkynet.net/comp/ndx_windows.html

Scroll down to the Xnews section and note the links to many other Xnews
information sites.


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
 
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Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:09:20 -0700, Ken Blake
<kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:01:05 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:11:29 +1000, "P"
>> <thomaspz@_takeout_bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>> >It was a dark day when Microsoft killed off the newsgroups.
>>
>> Not really. To repeat what's been said many times, it's not like the
>> newsgroups are going anywhere. Microsoft exiting will pretty much go
>> unnoticed.
>
>
>Not true.
>
>
>> Nothing has been killed off.
>
>
>
>Right, not literally. But Microsoft's stopping carrying them has
>dramatically reduced the traffic in them. They may not disappear
>immediately, but from a practical standpoint they will be probably be
>very close to gone in a short time.

So if I follow you, it's something like this:

Did/can/will Microsoft kill some newsgroups? Strictly speaking, the
answers are no, no, and no.

However, it appears that enough people mistakenly assumed or believed
that Microsoft leaving would, indeed, mean the groups were killed, so
they stopped posting there, and in effect, achieved the very thing
that Microsoft was unable to do directly, (or was uninterested in
doing).

If accurate, it's an interesting study in human behavior and group
think (no pun intended).
 
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Tony Harding

Flightless Bird
On 07/18/10 14:44, FiOS-Dave wrote:
> Is this Newsgroup dead???
> Dave

No.

Any other questions?
 
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Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
news:qr49465hqsglrnicldlmllo0j2i12d3og2@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:09:20 -0700, Ken Blake
> <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:01:05 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:11:29 +1000, "P"
>>> <thomaspz@_takeout_bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >It was a dark day when Microsoft killed off the newsgroups.
>>>
>>> Not really. To repeat what's been said many times, it's not like the
>>> newsgroups are going anywhere. Microsoft exiting will pretty much go
>>> unnoticed.
>>
>>
>>Not true.
>>
>>
>>> Nothing has been killed off.
>>
>>
>>
>>Right, not literally. But Microsoft's stopping carrying them has
>>dramatically reduced the traffic in them. They may not disappear
>>immediately, but from a practical standpoint they will be probably be
>>very close to gone in a short time.
>
> So if I follow you, it's something like this:
>
> Did/can/will Microsoft kill some newsgroups? Strictly speaking, the
> answers are no, no, and no.
>
> However, it appears that enough people mistakenly assumed or believed
> that Microsoft leaving would, indeed, mean the groups were killed, so
> they stopped posting there, and in effect, achieved the very thing
> that Microsoft was unable to do directly, (or was uninterested in
> doing).
>
> If accurate, it's an interesting study in human behavior and group
> think (no pun intended).
>




Another thing to consider is the amount of people that used the Web
interface to post such as this:

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...a1e-b269-4291-b6b4-dc2d504ce9ef&lang=en&cr=US

Now for those people, the new forums are probably a blessing. Just from my
recollection, I would guess that for this newsgroup, it was only about
10~15% of the people. But for a newsgroup like Internet Explorer General,
it was about 50%.

Mind you that I am not advocating the new forums at all. I too wish the
newsgroups lived on forever.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Flightless Bird
XS11E wrote:
> "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I downloaded XNews and looked over the docs, but I am still lost
>> when it comes to blocking followups to known trolls (feeding the
>> troll):
>>
>> % kill if from known troll Score: -9999 From: Joe Troll
>>
>> % kill followup to known troll Score: -9999 ????
>
> First, you probably don't want to block followups, that allows a
> known troll to "poison" a thread,suppose someone asks a question
> about Win7 and receives several answers. So far, so good. Next, a
> Linux Troll posts his/her/it's usual crap and you set the score to
> -9999 for Joe Troll but followups need to be set to less than -9999
> (I use -5000) so now the follow ups are downloaded (I download
> headers only) and marked so you can read them or not but you
> recognize them a followups to a troll.
>
> Example, here's my scoring for Google Groupers:
> ================================================= Score: -9999
> Message-ID: googlegroups\.com
>
> Score: -5000 References: googlegroups
> =================================================
>
> Simple, easy and effective. It allows me to see replies to Google
> Group Spammers and read (if I want) in the rare case a Google Grouper
> has posted something other than spam.
>
> Xnews also has the convenient "Get Parent" and "Reconstruct Thread"
> features so I can go back and get the original GG post if needed.

Thank you. That may be true, but I would still like to know how to mark
followups to Joe Troll. Nothing in References or Message-ID will point
specifically to a particular poster.

An example of what I would like to block is the thread immediately
preceding this one ("Re: alias says..."). I have both Alias and Frank in
my block list, but I'm still left with their responders.

> You can ask any questions about Xnews and scoring in
> news.software.readers, many very sharp people are there. Also, the
> late (and much missed) Blinky the Shark left us with his own Xnews
> site:
>
> http://twovoyagers.com/blinkynet.net/comp/ndx_windows.html
>
> Scroll down to the Xnews section and note the links to many other
> Xnews information sites.

--
Crash

Life is short. Eat dessert first.
 
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Bob I

Flightless Bird
On 7/18/2010 7:38 PM, Bruce Hagen wrote:
>
> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9DB999DC72564xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The trolls ruined it and chased many away.
>>
>> There are no trolls here for people using a newsreader that allows
>> proper kill-filing and scoring.
>>
>> You might give it a try....
>>
>>
>> --
>> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
>> The Usenet Improvement Project:
>> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>
>
> The thing I don't like about 'proper" newsreaders is that I have yet to
> find one that will automatically poll for new news messages every X
> minutes. I tried Forte Agent, Gravity and a few others and they do not
> have this option.

Thunderbird does.
 
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Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Ed21o.33595$3%3.25190@newsfe23.iad...
>
>
> On 7/18/2010 7:38 PM, Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>
>> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9DB999DC72564xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The trolls ruined it and chased many away.
>>>
>>> There are no trolls here for people using a newsreader that allows
>>> proper kill-filing and scoring.
>>>
>>> You might give it a try....
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
>>> The Usenet Improvement Project:
>>> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>>
>>
>> The thing I don't like about 'proper" newsreaders is that I have yet to
>> find one that will automatically poll for new news messages every X
>> minutes. I tried Forte Agent, Gravity and a few others and they do not
>> have this option.
>


> Thunderbird does.


Nothing against Thunderbird, but I doubt anyone that does not consider
Windows Mail a proper newsreader would consider T-Bird a proper
newsreader.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
 
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XS11E

Flightless Bird
"Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Nothing against Thunderbird, but I doubt anyone that does not
> consider Windows Mail a proper newsreader would consider T-Bird a
> proper newsreader.

Amen to that. T'Burp is very lacking in filtering ability. Version
3.x is better but still inadequate for use in troll infested
newsgroups.



--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
 
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Tony

Flightless Bird
Oh rubbish!! I've learned plenty about how useless Microshit and Windows 7 are
from this newsgroup.

Bruce Hagen wrote:

> "FiOS-Dave" <FiOS-Dave@fakeaddress.zz> wrote in message
> news:i1vi36$7ba$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > Is this Newsgroup dead???
> > Dave
>
> This newsgroup was never sanctioned by MS. The trolls ruined it and chased
> many away. As much as I prefer NNTP over forums, I do all my Win7 work in
> Microsoft Answers. This newsgroup is a joke. I just check it every now
> and then hoping it will change.
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA

--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper
manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day
on the job for potty mouth,

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond
the realm of understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday
 
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XS11E

Flightless Bird
Tony <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich> wrote:

> Oh rubbish!! I've learned plenty about how useless Microshit and
> Windows 7 are from this newsgroup.

What an incredibly ignorant post, now fix your idiotic signature and
bugger off, OK?


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
 
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Ivan I. Deer

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:44:46 -0400, "FiOS-Dave"
<FiOS-Dave@fakeaddress.zz> wrote:

>Is this Newsgroup dead???
>Dave
>
Surely smells like it, doesn't it?
 
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