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Re: Just Upgraded from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10...Won't even boot....

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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:09:14 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:

> And if you eliminate the older video cards (PCI, AGP, etc) and just look
> at modern video cards - the number of dual-headed cards is closer to
> 50%.


And these figures come from... *where* exactly?

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CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
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Ezekiel

Flightless Bird
"RonB" <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hjkufd$4jr$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:09:14 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>



>> And if you eliminate the older video cards (PCI, AGP, etc) and just look
>> at modern video cards - the number of dual-headed cards is closer to
>> 50%.



> And these figures come from... *where* exactly?


Read this (from my earlier post) then try and connect the dots.


<quote>
Goto to NewEgg.com where they have a total of 455 video cards in stock.

302 have single DVI.
148 have dual DVI.
5 have quad DVI.


Roughly 1 out of every 3 video cards is dual headed.

</quote>
 
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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:28:59 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:

> "RonB" <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hjkufd$4jr$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:09:14 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>

>
>>> And if you eliminate the older video cards (PCI, AGP, etc) and just
>>> look at modern video cards - the number of dual-headed cards is closer
>>> to 50%.

>
>
>> And these figures come from... *where* exactly?

>
> Read this (from my earlier post) then try and connect the dots.
>
>
> <quote>
> Goto to NewEgg.com where they have a total of 455 video cards in stock.
>
> 302 have single DVI.
> 148 have dual DVI.
> 5 have quad DVI.
>
>
> Roughly 1 out of every 3 video cards is dual headed.
>
> </quote>


First point -- NewEgg is in business for people who want to build their
own custom, higher-end computers. Definitely *not* the majority of
computer buyers, nor indicative of the average computer buyer. Second
point -- just because NewEgg offers half as many dual-head video cards
models as single-head video cards models, doesn't mean they sell half as
many dual-head video cards. The number of sales for each type of card is
what counts -- not what is offered.

In other words, these figures from NewEgg mean just about nothing in
regards to the actual number of computers equipped with dual-head video
cards.

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RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:09:06 -0800, Dabbler wrote:

> "C" <nospamming@please.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hjkrmd$hi3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> Data/Fax/Voice modems are pretty much gone the way of the floppy drive.
>> Nice to have, perhaps, but not used much anymore. I suspect that's why
>> modem compatibility isn't a high priority either on the part of the
>> modem vendors or Linux. Having said that, I understand there are some
>> modems that work with Linux and I know that there are scads of printers
>> that work with Linux. I just don't know which modems work with Linux.
>> My HP all in one works fine.

>
> Probably the only places you can still find them are PC recycling
> stores. I've got a pretty good Hayes Accura 56K modem for my old PC when
> the previous modem died. You still need to use them with FAX software.


I usually buy US Robotic (stand-alone) modems because that's what we use
on our phone switches -- and they are full-fledged modems not winmodems.
Second hand stores often have them for a couple dollars -- unfortunately
they usually separate the power supply from the modem and sell them on
opposite walls. Sometimes you find both, sometimes you don't.

You can also buy these new on Amazon, or used (and new) on eBay.

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RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-25, Ezekiel <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> news:slrnhlrps8.ml.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>> On 2010-01-25, Ezekiel <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>> news:slrnhlrdsv.unq.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>>>> On 2010-01-25, Ezekiel <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ezekiel" <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hjk4bk$2ee$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:slrnhlq7ci.nes.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:12:37 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus12856
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:39:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>>>>> No, dual headed cards are not typical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easily proven to be false. Got to NewEgg.com where they have a total
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> 455 video cards in stock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 302 have single DVI.
>>>>>> 148 have dual DVI.
>>>>>> 5 have quad DVI.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Because what is available at NewEgg of course corresponds to
>>>> actual marketshare.
>>>>
>>>> [rolls eyes]
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which is orders of magnitude better than your little fantasy world where
>>> you
>>> make empty claims without any sort of proof or evidence what-so-ever and
>>> think your BS corresponds to actual marketshare.
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO!!!!

>>
>> You seem to be an indication of the sorry state of math education in
>> America. The fact that there are multi-head cards for sale does not
>> address
>> the issue of how widespread they are.

>
> Riiiight. All of these video card manufacturers are now making dual-head
> video cards because there's no market for them. Best some luser like you


You can say the same thing about professional visualization cards.

> call the card manufacturers and tell them they're wasting their time.
>
>
>> It's great that a gamer poser like you can go to NewEgg and trick out
>> his computer and engage in a nice orgy of conspicous consuption. That
>> doesn't
>> necessarily relate to the vast majority of users.

>
> I'm not a gamer. Then again making stupid comments is all too typical for
> you. Seems that BestBuy also doesn't have the same marketing data that you
> were able to gather in your mothers basement. A high percentage of video
> cards that BestBuy sells also supports multiple monitors even though you
> claim that there's barely a market for them.


That still doesn't address how widespread they are.

Although the local BestBuy doesn't have a single dual head card. Then
again it's pretty lame. Perhaps the BB in the next town over will have some.

>
>
>
>> I can say the same of my SATA hot swap racks.

>
> Ahhh... those imaginary hot swap racks of yours. A clueless poser like you
> wouldn't know what to do with something like that.


At least I can appreciate how my usage of PCs deviates from the norm.

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Truth is irrelevant as long as the predictions are good. |||
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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-25, Dave <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> news:slrnhlpabk.da8.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>> On 2010-01-24, Dave <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <goldee.loxnbagels@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:benz0owx3yy5$.1hnrfmnugerxp.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:15:57 +0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:37:59 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So now what?
>>>>>> Boots to a CLI.
>>>>>> The person who owns this system is not happy. She clicked update and
>>>>>> that was it.
>>>>>> Gone good bye.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yea Linux is great.
>>>>>> Sure it is.
>>>>>> Keep telling yourselves that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And KSODs and BSODs never happen with Windows, either. Get a life,
>>>>> flatline.
>>>>
>>>> Upgraded 12 systems to Windows 7 and not a single problem.
>>>> Everything just works.
>>>> I'm not sure what you and your friends are doing wrong, but it
>>>> works fine for me.
>>>>
>>>> I have a life BTW.
>>>> The reason I have a life is because I don't run Ubuntu which
>>>> consumes time like a cheap whore consumes sperm.
>>>>
>>>> You Linux freaks spend all your time making Linux work.
>>>> It's a losing battle BTW.
>>>>
>>>> Almost 20 years and Linux still is less than 1 percent of the
>>>> desktop market.
>>>> That's a failure in most people's eyes.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty pathetic when something that is free is ignored.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> 1/24/2010 1:23:43 AM
>>>
>>> Starting appx 20 years ago I tried Linux in quite a few different
>>> flavors,

>>
>> ...starting 20 years ago eh?
>>
>> You are a very bad liar.
>>

>
> Why are you in a Windows forum if you like Linux so much? Not enough


...ask the jerk that first crossposted this.

It was probably a WinDOS Lemming.

[deletia]

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Truth is irrelevant as long as the predictions are good. |||
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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-25, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> You seem to be an indication of the sorry state of math education in
>>America. The fact that there are multi-head cards for sale does not address
>>the issue of how widespread they are.

>
> Indeed. The #1 video supplier is Intel, with their low-end
> motherboard-based video. Even add-in cards with dual outputs (which
> are quite common), are only rarely used for multiple monitors.
>
> Bottom line, dual monitors is a very small niche and, as JED says,
> would be used even less if Windows did multiple desktops as well as
> Linux does.


I find the suggestion from Hadron of using some tiny POS from Ebay rather
disturbing. I am not convinced that it is something that the average consumer
would buy into. Sure, if you are really hardcore gamer and want one of those
multi-head gaming rigs the demo in Frys that's one thing.

Hoewer, the idea of "getting more screen real estate cheaper" just sound
so "low rent" that I can't see many people going for it. When compared to a
a larger monitor, a couple of smaller monitors cobbled together just don't
seem terribly compelling.

There's probably a good reason you don't see the Apple store pushing this
idea despite the fact that Macs have been doing it better and for far longer
than Windows has.

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Ezekiel

Flightless Bird
"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrnhls11h.q7i.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2010-01-25, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>> You seem to be an indication of the sorry state of math education in
>>>America. The fact that there are multi-head cards for sale does not
>>>address
>>>the issue of how widespread they are.

>>
>> Indeed. The #1 video supplier is Intel, with their low-end
>> motherboard-based video. Even add-in cards with dual outputs (which
>> are quite common), are only rarely used for multiple monitors.
>>
>> Bottom line, dual monitors is a very small niche and, as JED says,
>> would be used even less if Windows did multiple desktops as well as
>> Linux does.

>
> I find the suggestion from Hadron of using some tiny POS from Ebay
> rather
> disturbing. I am not convinced that it is something that the average
> consumer
> would buy into. Sure, if you are really hardcore gamer and want one of
> those
> multi-head gaming rigs the demo in Frys that's one thing.
>



> Hoewer, the idea of "getting more screen real estate cheaper" just
> sound
> so "low rent" that I can't see many people going for it.


This would not be the first thing that "you can't see" and completely miss
the big picture.



> When compared to a
> a larger monitor, a couple of smaller monitors cobbled together just don't
> seem terribly compelling.


Try and pay attention to the line that reads - " On average, people would
much rather have 2 smaller monitors than 1 larger monitor. Nobody answered
that they preferred 1 monitor over 2 even a little bit. "

<quote>
Multiple Monitors and Productivity
I found an interesting blog post about a small, informal multiple monitor
productivity study. A number of developers, with some nudging from me, have
gravitated to multiple monitor setups over the last year. Based on that
experience, I wholeheartedly agree with the study survey results:

a.. On average, people would much rather have 2 smaller monitors than 1
larger monitor. Nobody answered that they preferred 1 monitor over 2 even a
little bit.
b.. Multiple monitors were most useful when the application had palettes
or when 2 or 3 windows needed to be open, such as for programming/debugging.
<quote>

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000012.html


> There's probably a good reason you don't see the Apple store pushing
> this
> idea despite the fact that Macs have been doing it better and for far
> longer
> than Windows has.


There's a graphic design studio in the adjacent building where we sometimes
get lunch. The inside is all black/dark and the walls are made completely
out of glass. They do their production work on Macs which is obviously
apparent. They must not have gotten your memo because they have 2 monitors
hooked up to most of their machines.
 
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Hadron

Flightless Bird
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:28:59 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> "RonB" <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hjkufd$4jr$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:09:14 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>>

>>
>>>> And if you eliminate the older video cards (PCI, AGP, etc) and just
>>>> look at modern video cards - the number of dual-headed cards is closer
>>>> to 50%.

>>
>>
>>> And these figures come from... *where* exactly?

>>
>> Read this (from my earlier post) then try and connect the dots.
>>
>>
>> <quote>
>> Goto to NewEgg.com where they have a total of 455 video cards in stock.
>>
>> 302 have single DVI.
>> 148 have dual DVI.
>> 5 have quad DVI.
>>
>>
>> Roughly 1 out of every 3 video cards is dual headed.
>>
>> </quote>

>
> First point -- NewEgg is in business for people who want to build their
> own custom, higher-end computers. Definitely *not* the majority of
> computer buyers, nor indicative of the average computer buyer. Second
> point -- just because NewEgg offers half as many dual-head video cards
> models as single-head video cards models, doesn't mean they sell half as
> many dual-head video cards. The number of sales for each type of card is
> what counts -- not what is offered.
>
> In other words, these figures from NewEgg mean just about nothing in
> regards to the actual number of computers equipped with dual-head video
> cards.


Wow. Just as I thought WronG could not appear to be MORE clueless he
goes and ups the ante.

Amazing.
 
K

KissThis

Flightless Bird
On 1/26/2010 12:18 AM, Hadron wrote:
> RonB<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:28:59 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> "RonB"<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hjkufd$4jr$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:09:14 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> And if you eliminate the older video cards (PCI, AGP, etc) and just
>>>>> look at modern video cards - the number of dual-headed cards is closer
>>>>> to 50%.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And these figures come from... *where* exactly?
>>>
>>> Read this (from my earlier post) then try and connect the dots.
>>>
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> Goto to NewEgg.com where they have a total of 455 video cards in stock.
>>>
>>> 302 have single DVI.
>>> 148 have dual DVI.
>>> 5 have quad DVI.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roughly 1 out of every 3 video cards is dual headed.
>>>
>>> </quote>

>>
>> First point -- NewEgg is in business for people who want to build their
>> own custom, higher-end computers. Definitely *not* the majority of
>> computer buyers, nor indicative of the average computer buyer. Second
>> point -- just because NewEgg offers half as many dual-head video cards
>> models as single-head video cards models, doesn't mean they sell half as
>> many dual-head video cards. The number of sales for each type of card is
>> what counts -- not what is offered.
>>
>> In other words, these figures from NewEgg mean just about nothing in
>> regards to the actual number of computers equipped with dual-head video
>> cards.

>
> Wow. Just as I thought WronG could not appear to be MORE clueless he
> goes and ups the ante.
>
> Amazing.
>
>

Aliass's brother
 
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chrisv

Flightless Bird
> Quack snotted:
>>
>> RonB writes:
>>>
>>> First point -- NewEgg is in business for people who want to build their
>>> own custom, higher-end computers. Definitely *not* the majority of
>>> computer buyers, nor indicative of the average computer buyer. Second
>>> point -- just because NewEgg offers half as many dual-head video cards
>>> models as single-head video cards models, doesn't mean they sell half as
>>> many dual-head video cards. The number of sales for each type of card is
>>> what counts -- not what is offered.
>>>
>>> In other words, these figures from NewEgg mean just about nothing in
>>> regards to the actual number of computers equipped with dual-head video
>>> cards.

>>
>> Wow. Just as I thought WronG could not appear to be MORE clueless he
>> goes and ups the ante.


Nope. You are a stupid lying asshole, "Hadron".

>> Amazing.


Amazing that you seem to enjoy making a jackass of yourself, Quack.

--
"In fact I pointed out that Hilliard had forgotten the ./configure
(not "configure") stage." - "Linux expert" Hadron Quark
 
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Hadron

Flightless Bird
JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2010-01-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>>JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>> So then, what's the minimum cost of a card and an extra monitor?
>>>> What do I personally need to spend in order to dabble in this nonsense?
>>>> What's the minimum buy in?
>>>
>>>Probably about $100. More realistically, around $150.

>>
>> And a fair amount of desktop real estate, assuming a pair of 22"
>> widescreen monitors (the "sweet spot" monitor, IMO).

>
> There is also the physical upgrade of the PC itself to consider without
> even getting into any software issues. That will of course constrain what
> card you can get. This is why PCI cards are still plentiful.


Except of course they are not.

You've been soundly drubbed once more.

You really should ask your Mom to let you out of the basement. Times
have changed. PCI cards are a rarity these days for developers/home
users and dual head is VERY, VERY common.

When Ahlstrom and Chrisv are politely suggesting you're a clueless
idiot, it really IS time to reconsider your stance on this.

What is amazing about this thread is that Linux has come along in leaps
and bounds and I am EXTREMELY happy with my NVidia drivers, xcompmgr and
the excellent xrandr functionality on a Debian system. OGL works
brilliantly and its very, very stable.

You didn't think it worked properly hence your antiquated, and
mercilessly trashed, views that nobody uses dual head and nobody needs
it. Do yourself a favour and never, ever share your views on modern
computing needs or trends. You know nothing about modern desktops,
nothing about sound and zero about multimedia and gaming. So why you
feel qualified to rant about is anybodies guess.

The way you're going you'll be ridiculed more than Peter Koehlmann and
WronG. Is that what you want? 'Cos that's what's gonna happen ....
 
C

chrisv

Flightless Bird
>> RonB<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> In other words, these figures from NewEgg mean just about nothing in
>>> regards to the actual number of computers equipped with dual-head video
>>> cards.


Plus, being equipped with dual-head video cards does not mean there's
dual monitors. All the PC's in my house have dual-head video cards,
because I equip them with higher-end gaming cards, which are generally
dual-output.

Not once have I seriously considered running dual monitors.
 
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Ezekiel

Flightless Bird
"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:j55ul55hqvjk2fdunifi0m62pged7gcql1@4ax.com...
>>> RonB<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> In other words, these figures from NewEgg mean just about nothing in
>>>> regards to the actual number of computers equipped with dual-head video
>>>> cards.

>
> Plus, being equipped with dual-head video cards does not mean there's
> dual monitors.


Duuuhhhhh.... really? Does this also mean that if my computer has a firewire
port it does not mean there's a firewire device?
 
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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-26, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2010-01-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>>JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>
>>>>> So then, what's the minimum cost of a card and an extra monitor?
>>>>> What do I personally need to spend in order to dabble in this nonsense?
>>>>> What's the minimum buy in?
>>>>
>>>>Probably about $100. More realistically, around $150.
>>>
>>> And a fair amount of desktop real estate, assuming a pair of 22"
>>> widescreen monitors (the "sweet spot" monitor, IMO).

>>
>> There is also the physical upgrade of the PC itself to consider without
>> even getting into any software issues. That will of course constrain what
>> card you can get. This is why PCI cards are still plentiful.

>
> Except of course they are not.


You need to get out more.

>
> You've been soundly drubbed once more.
>
> You really should ask your Mom to let you out of the basement. Times
> have changed. PCI cards are a rarity these days for developers/home
> users and dual head is VERY, VERY common.


You keep on saying that but you don't really back it up with anything.

[deletia]

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arbitrarily assigned.
 
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Hadron

Flightless Bird
JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2010-01-26, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>
>>> On 2010-01-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So then, what's the minimum cost of a card and an extra monitor?
>>>>>> What do I personally need to spend in order to dabble in this nonsense?
>>>>>> What's the minimum buy in?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably about $100. More realistically, around $150.
>>>>
>>>> And a fair amount of desktop real estate, assuming a pair of 22"
>>>> widescreen monitors (the "sweet spot" monitor, IMO).
>>>
>>> There is also the physical upgrade of the PC itself to consider without
>>> even getting into any software issues. That will of course constrain what
>>> card you can get. This is why PCI cards are still plentiful.

>>
>> Except of course they are not.

>
> You need to get out more.


I do Jed. I know. And as a poor SW type who constantly gets calls from
friends and colleagues about their Windows systems I know what HW they
are using. And PCI video is nowhere to be seen anymore give or take. On
modern developers/desktops that is.

>
>>
>> You've been soundly drubbed once more.
>>
>> You really should ask your Mom to let you out of the basement. Times
>> have changed. PCI cards are a rarity these days for developers/home
>> users and dual head is VERY, VERY common.

>
> You keep on saying that but you don't really back it up with anything.


Other than the fact that PCI cards are almost nonexistent now? BTW, you
DO know PCI cards came with dual head too dont you?

I bet you that if you walk into a Sw development firm then not one in a
100 of the frontline developers will be using a machine with a PCI video
card.

As I said. You're a clueless on this subject. You really must learn not
to talk about things you are clearly unable, or unwilling, to
understand.

But since you frustrate me so much with your nonsense, I'll do the
legwork that you are incapable of doing:

,----
| http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/AGP.htm
|
| PCI (Peripheral Component Interconnect) video cards are still available
| new, but this will soon be redundant technology.
`----

,----
| http://www.playtool.com/pages/vidslots/slots.html
|
| The worst choice for a video card is a PCI slot
`----

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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_card
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Component_Interconnect
`----

Jed, you're almost nice in your clueless kind of way. From HW to Gaming
to .... just don't comment until you learn something about it. You might
be the oracle in your cellar, but out here in the real world things have
moved on since you started to grow your beard ....
 
C

Chris Ahlstrom

Flightless Bird
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:

> On 2010-01-26, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You've been soundly drubbed once more.


Another gratuitous insult from the IQT.

>> You really should ask your Mom to let you out of the basement. Times
>> have changed. PCI cards are a rarity these days for developers/home
>> users and dual head is VERY, VERY common.


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=13&name=Motherboards

> You keep on saying that but you don't really back it up with anything.


You can find mobos w/out PCI slots, but "Hadron" is crazy if he thinks
they are a rarity. You can even get them at Office Depot.

Dual head is common in the office and with geeks. Not with the average
consumer.

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rumps mooning the day, webbed appendages frantically pedaling unseen
bicycles in their search for sustenance, driven by cruel Nature's maxim,
'Ya wanna eat, ya gotta work,' and at last I knew Pittsburgh.
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