Re: Just Upgraded from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10...Won't even boot....

[Alias]

Hadron wrote:
> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the mental block about sound not working in firefox,
>>>>>>>>> and firefox not even exiting when asked?
>>>>>>>> I don't have that problem and I'm running Karmic.
>>>>>>> Do you ever leave your browser for an extended period of time, with
>>>>>>> sound from Flash having been used, and come back after, say, 24 hours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does sound still work?
>>>>>> No, I never leave my computers on for that long and when I'm finished
>>>>>> with FF, I close it.
>>>>> That explains it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep my computers on for months.
>>>>>
>>>>> So when you say "I do not have that problem", keep in mind that you do
>>>>> not even use your system in the way that makes you exposed to this
>>>>> problem. In other words, you do not really know if you have that
>>>>> problem or not.
>>>> I assume most people don't want to pay for electricity they aren't
>>>> using. I assumed wrongly in your case.
>>>>
>>>>>> Do you get the sound back if you reboot?
>>>>> Yes, in fact, I usually get the sound back if I kill firefox with
>>>>> "killall firefox".
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you installed the pulse audio updates that came out today?
>>>>> I am installing now, but I have not tried them yet. I hope that they
>>>>> fix this annoying issue. I will do a full reboot today and will try it
>>>>> out. I am skeptical, but hopeful.
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>> I've noticed the sound is better since the update.
>>> In what way "better"? Or how was it worse before the update? Please be
>>> specific. You sound like a bullshitter fanboi like Marti to me.
>>>
>> It sounds better. It's louder. I can't hear your sorry ass, though,
>> which is a good thing.
>
> How does it sounds better? Please define "better". Was it bad before?
>
>

Install the updates and judge for yourself.

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Alias

 

[Moshe Goldfarb]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 189:02 +0100, Alias wrote:

> Hadron wrote:
>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the mental block about sound not working in firefox,
>>>>>>>>>> and firefox not even exiting when asked?
>>>>>>>>> I don't have that problem and I'm running Karmic.
>>>>>>>> Do you ever leave your browser for an extended period of time, with
>>>>>>>> sound from Flash having been used, and come back after, say, 24 hours?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does sound still work?
>>>>>>> No, I never leave my computers on for that long and when I'm finished
>>>>>>> with FF, I close it.
>>>>>> That explains it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep my computers on for months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So when you say "I do not have that problem", keep in mind that you do
>>>>>> not even use your system in the way that makes you exposed to this
>>>>>> problem. In other words, you do not really know if you have that
>>>>>> problem or not.
>>>>> I assume most people don't want to pay for electricity they aren't
>>>>> using. I assumed wrongly in your case.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you get the sound back if you reboot?
>>>>>> Yes, in fact, I usually get the sound back if I kill firefox with
>>>>>> "killall firefox".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you installed the pulse audio updates that came out today?
>>>>>> I am installing now, but I have not tried them yet. I hope that they
>>>>>> fix this annoying issue. I will do a full reboot today and will try it
>>>>>> out. I am skeptical, but hopeful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i
>>>>> I've noticed the sound is better since the update.
>>>> In what way "better"? Or how was it worse before the update? Please be
>>>> specific. You sound like a bullshitter fanboi like Marti to me.
>>>>
>>> It sounds better. It's louder. I can't hear your sorry ass, though,
>>> which is a good thing.
>>
>> How does it sounds better? Please define "better". Was it bad before?
>>
>>
>
> Install the updates and judge for yourself.

Why the need for updates?

The drones in COLA claim it all "just works" for them.
And right out of the box.

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1/25/2010 12:48:15 PM

 

[Ignoramus29432]

On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What exactly is the mental block about sound not working in firefox,
>>>>>> and firefox not even exiting when asked?
>>>>> I don't have that problem and I'm running Karmic.
>>>> Do you ever leave your browser for an extended period of time, with
>>>> sound from Flash having been used, and come back after, say, 24 hours?
>>>>
>>>> Does sound still work?
>>> No, I never leave my computers on for that long and when I'm finished
>>> with FF, I close it.
>>
>> That explains it.
>>
>> I keep my computers on for months.
>>
>> So when you say "I do not have that problem", keep in mind that you do
>> not even use your system in the way that makes you exposed to this
>> problem. In other words, you do not really know if you have that
>> problem or not.
>
> I assume most people don't want to pay for electricity they aren't
> using. I assumed wrongly in your case.

Your assumption that most people do not want to pay for electricity
that they aren't using, is correct.

But, I have some money to spare, and also, my desktop is also a media
server that serves pirated videos to the entire house, and is also a
webserver. Shutting it down makes no sense.


>>
>>> Do you get the sound back if you reboot?
>>
>> Yes, in fact, I usually get the sound back if I kill firefox with
>> "killall firefox".
>>
>>> Have you installed the pulse audio updates that came out today?
>>
>> I am installing now, but I have not tried them yet. I hope that they
>> fix this annoying issue. I will do a full reboot today and will try it
>> out. I am skeptical, but hopeful.
>>
>> i
>
> I've noticed the sound is better since the update.

Well, I will be delighted if this issue went away.

I can type "killall firefox", but it is a lot harder with my kids.

i

 

[Lord Vetinari]

"Ignoramus27518" <ignoramus27518@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote in message
news:luidnZyY2MeOcsbWnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 009:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>
>>> My own conclusion on this matter is that what really "slows down desktop
>>> adoption of Linux" is the fact that desktop Linux is full of bugs. The
>>> bugs turn people away because they cannot fix bugs. If it was not full
>>> of bugs, we would see use of Linux at least 10%.

Oh? So they use Windoze, because they can fix _those_ bugs?

>>> As of now, desktop Linux is great, until you encounter some bug with
>>> zero path to resolution.
>>
>> Really? I've been using various distributions of Linux exclusively for
>> two years and haven't run into any bugs with "zero path to resolution" --
>> so, perhaps, you give a couple examples?
>>
>
> Sure. I will give you one example instead of requested two. It is
> getting late.
>
> Ubuntu Karmic.
>
> Firefox browser runs with youtube video open.
>
> User leaves and comes back after 1 day.
>
> Sound from firefox no longer works.
>
> User closes firefox.
>
> User starts another firefox.
>
> New firefox says "another instance of firefox is running".

Seems more than a bit unlikely...I've never had any trouble running more
than one instance of Firefox, on Windows (any flavor), or Linux.

> No way to start a browser now.
>
> The "problem" is that pulseaudio support on ubuntu is full of bugs,
> hence disappearance of sound, and another problem is that in this
> situation, old firefox does not actually die, though the window goes
> away.
>
> Figuring all of that out requires some googling skills, knowledge of
> "ps", "grep" and other general Unix troubleshooting skills. If the
> user could do it, open terminal, and type something like "killall
> firefox", he or she would be able to continue, but a less skillful
> person would just give up.
>
> i

 

[Hadron]

Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the mental block about sound not working in firefox,
>>>>>>>>>> and firefox not even exiting when asked?
>>>>>>>>> I don't have that problem and I'm running Karmic.
>>>>>>>> Do you ever leave your browser for an extended period of time, with
>>>>>>>> sound from Flash having been used, and come back after, say, 24 hours?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does sound still work?
>>>>>>> No, I never leave my computers on for that long and when I'm finished
>>>>>>> with FF, I close it.
>>>>>> That explains it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep my computers on for months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So when you say "I do not have that problem", keep in mind that you do
>>>>>> not even use your system in the way that makes you exposed to this
>>>>>> problem. In other words, you do not really know if you have that
>>>>>> problem or not.
>>>>> I assume most people don't want to pay for electricity they aren't
>>>>> using. I assumed wrongly in your case.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you get the sound back if you reboot?
>>>>>> Yes, in fact, I usually get the sound back if I kill firefox with
>>>>>> "killall firefox".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you installed the pulse audio updates that came out today?
>>>>>> I am installing now, but I have not tried them yet. I hope that they
>>>>>> fix this annoying issue. I will do a full reboot today and will try it
>>>>>> out. I am skeptical, but hopeful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i
>>>>> I've noticed the sound is better since the update.
>>>> In what way "better"? Or how was it worse before the update? Please be
>>>> specific. You sound like a bullshitter fanboi like Marti to me.
>>>>
>>> It sounds better. It's louder. I can't hear your sorry ass, though,
>>> which is a good thing.
>>
>> How does it sounds better? Please define "better". Was it bad before?
>>
>>
>
> Install the updates and judge for yourself.

I want to hear your definitions. hey! You're such a good
"advocate". Come on. Fess up.

Nothing wrong with my sound on Debian and I don't use Pulse.

 

[Ignoramus29432]

On 2010-01-25, Lord Vetinari <ghod@att.net> wrote:
> "Ignoramus27518" <ignoramus27518@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote in message
> news:luidnZyY2MeOcsbWnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 009:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>
>>>> My own conclusion on this matter is that what really "slows down desktop
>>>> adoption of Linux" is the fact that desktop Linux is full of bugs. The
>>>> bugs turn people away because they cannot fix bugs. If it was not full
>>>> of bugs, we would see use of Linux at least 10%.
>
> Oh? So they use Windoze, because they can fix _those_ bugs?

You keep insisting on comparing Linux with Windows.

Probably so that you can label me a "Windows advocate".

I will indulge.

As far as I could tell when I used Windows, sound always worked very
well and Firefox would never refuse to die.

>>>> As of now, desktop Linux is great, until you encounter some bug with
>>>> zero path to resolution.
>>>
>>> Really? I've been using various distributions of Linux exclusively for
>>> two years and haven't run into any bugs with "zero path to resolution" --
>>> so, perhaps, you give a couple examples?
>>>
>>
>> Sure. I will give you one example instead of requested two. It is
>> getting late.
>>
>> Ubuntu Karmic.
>>
>> Firefox browser runs with youtube video open.
>>
>> User leaves and comes back after 1 day.
>>
>> Sound from firefox no longer works.
>>
>> User closes firefox.
>>
>> User starts another firefox.
>>
>> New firefox says "another instance of firefox is running".
>
> Seems more than a bit unlikely...I've never had any trouble running more
> than one instance of Firefox, on Windows (any flavor), or Linux.

Running more than one instance of Firefox has NOTHING to do with the
problem that I mentioned.

i

 

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-25, Moshe Goldfarb <goldee.loxnbagels@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 189:02 +0100, Alias wrote:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
[deletia]
>>>>>> I've noticed the sound is better since the update.
>>>>> In what way "better"? Or how was it worse before the update? Please be
>>>>> specific. You sound like a bullshitter fanboi like Marti to me.
>>>>>
>>>> It sounds better. It's louder. I can't hear your sorry ass, though,
>>>> which is a good thing.
>>>
>>> How does it sounds better? Please define "better". Was it bad before?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Install the updates and judge for yourself.
>
> Why the need for updates?
>
> The drones in COLA claim it all "just works" for them.
> And right out of the box.

Why do happy customers USING SOMETHING ELSE bother Lemmings so much?

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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-25, Ezekiel <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> news:slrnhlrdsv.unq.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>> On 2010-01-25, Ezekiel <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ezekiel" <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hjk4bk$2ee$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>>> news:slrnhlq7ci.nes.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:127 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus12856
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 009:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>>>>> No, dual headed cards are not typical.
>>>>
>>>> Easily proven to be false. Got to NewEgg.com where they have a total of
>>>> 455 video cards in stock.
>>>>
>>>> 302 have single DVI.
>>>> 148 have dual DVI.
>>>> 5 have quad DVI.
>>
>> Yes. Because what is available at NewEgg of course corresponds to
>> actual marketshare.
>>
>> [rolls eyes]
>>
>
> Which is orders of magnitude better than your little fantasy world where you
> make empty claims without any sort of proof or evidence what-so-ever and
> think your BS corresponds to actual marketshare.
>
> ROFLMAO!!!!

You seem to be an indication of the sorry state of math education in
America. The fact that there are multi-head cards for sale does not address
the issue of how widespread they are.

It's great that a gamer poser like you can go to NewEgg and trick out
his computer and engage in a nice orgy of conspicous consuption. That doesn't
necessarily relate to the vast majority of users.

I can say the same of my SATA hot swap racks.

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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2010-01-25, Ezekiel <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Hadron" <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hjk8t5$3s6$2@hadron.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Ezekiel" <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> "Ezekiel" <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hjk4bk$2ee$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:slrnhlq7ci.nes.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:127 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus12856
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 009:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:

[deletia]

>>
>> Are you actually stupid enough to think that some list of what's
>> available at NewEgg disproves my point? You Lemmings really are trapped
>> in a fantasy world of your own making.
>>
>>> Even the dumbest of the dumb will eventually learn their mistake and STFU.
>>> But this guy seems to have memory retention of only a few days before he
>>> comes back and repeats his same stupid claims all over again.
>>
>> So again. What will it cost the average Windows user to get themselves
>> a multi-head capable system? And no I won't buy your assinine claim that they
>> already have it. 9 out of 10 Windows users don't even know they can do such
>> a thing and very likely don't have a capable system.
>
> You have no idea how wrong you are. Even if 1 in ten Windows users have
> it it's still more than us Linux users. Why you in such denial? You
> sound like a lunatic.

You're the morons that don't even have grasp of basic math and stats.

Now of course a Linux user is going to be less motivated to use more
than one monitor. The OS is remarkably less lame when it comes to window
management and such.

>
>>
>> The links posted from NewEgg only suggest possible answers to the
>> question. So what's that dollar amount. What will it take for the friends,
>> family and neighbors to bask in the glow of 2 monitors like all of you
>> Lemming gamer/developer posers?
>
> Huh?
>
> Most people already have a TV with s-video in for example. Thats how I

So now you want to claim that everyone has their PC next to their
computer. That's probably an even more assinine claim than what you
started with.

> use it. So it cost, err, nothing using my Debian and NVIdia card. Its
> the same for Windows users. had I wanted another monitor again no issue

No it isn't.

That stuff just isn't built into the typical low margin consumer PC.

> as I have a HDI output there too. Cheap 17" lcd on ebay? What? 50 quid?
>
> You must stop lashing out when you're shown, once more, to be a clueless
> wanker.

I'm not the one doing the lashing.

Ebay and NewEgg: just where the average consumer wants to go for
computer gear...

You twits are even farther out of touch with the average Windows user
than even the worst Linux Zealot and that is truely sad.

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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2010-01-25, Ignoramus29432 <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What exactly is the mental block about sound not working in firefox,
>>> and firefox not even exiting when asked?
>>
>> I don't have that problem and I'm running Karmic.
>
> Do you ever leave your browser for an extended period of time, with
> sound from Flash having been used, and come back after, say, 24 hours?
>
> Does sound still work?

Constantly.

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[Dave]

"C" <nospamming@please.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>> "C" <nospamming@please.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hji25j$903$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry for my rant, but I get tired of reading all the idiotic postings
>>>> from Linux users who can't make a US Robotics modem work and then want
>>>> to flame Windows. Yeah, I know I'm stupid, I have to have a platform
>>>> that will AUTOMATICALLY support the most well-known modem in the world.
>>>> (And I'm tired of reading )
>>>
>>> What do you need the US Robotics modem for?
>>>
>>> --
>>> C
>>
>> I don't now, it was in a machine of a customer several years ago before
>> cable.
>
> I think there's some licensing problems or some such over win
> fax/data/voice modems. I never got one to work either.
>
> --
> C

I tried several win modems and, like you, found they usually wouldn't work
in Linux. The modem I tried wasn't a win-modem, it was one of the models
with a lot of bells and whistles. Don't remember the exact model now as it's
been a while. The modem would work under windows or Mac, but wouldn't work
under Linux. Wouldn't even work as a basic modem of any kind. Printer I
mentioned was the same, wouldn't work in any fashion.
IIRC, this was in the time period Wal-Mart introduced a desktop with Linux
as the OS and due to the overwhelming problems stopped selling them after a
short time. I was working as a computer tech in another retail store and we
converted quite a few of them to Windows for customers.
Dave

 

[Dave]

"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrnhlpabk.da8.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2010-01-24, Dave <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <goldee.loxnbagels@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:benz0owx3yy5$.1hnrfmnugerxp.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:15:57 +0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 007:59 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So now what?
>>>>> Boots to a CLI.
>>>>> The person who owns this system is not happy. She clicked update and
>>>>> that was it.
>>>>> Gone good bye.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yea Linux is great.
>>>>> Sure it is.
>>>>> Keep telling yourselves that.
>>>>
>>>> And KSODs and BSODs never happen with Windows, either. Get a life,
>>>> flatline.
>>>
>>> Upgraded 12 systems to Windows 7 and not a single problem.
>>> Everything just works.
>>> I'm not sure what you and your friends are doing wrong, but it
>>> works fine for me.
>>>
>>> I have a life BTW.
>>> The reason I have a life is because I don't run Ubuntu which
>>> consumes time like a cheap whore consumes sperm.
>>>
>>> You Linux freaks spend all your time making Linux work.
>>> It's a losing battle BTW.
>>>
>>> Almost 20 years and Linux still is less than 1 percent of the
>>> desktop market.
>>> That's a failure in most people's eyes.
>>>
>>> It's pretty pathetic when something that is free is ignored.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> 1/24/2010 1:23:43 AM
>>
>> Starting appx 20 years ago I tried Linux in quite a few different
>> flavors,
>
> ...starting 20 years ago eh?
>
> You are a very bad liar.
>

Why are you in a Windows forum if you like Linux so much? Not enough
traffic there to entertain you?
This one you need to trust me on, I won't get in a flame war with you for
your entertainment, I got over letting little boys irritate me a long time
ago.
Have a good day and God Bless,
Dave

 

[fucku@googlemail.com]

Hi! I just post in order to bring chaos.

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:50:09 -0600, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
wrote:

>On 2010-01-25, Ignoramus29432 <ignoramus29432@NOSPAM.29432.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2010-01-25, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>> On 2010-01-25, Ignoramus12856 <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2010-01-25, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have used Linux since 1995. So I know a few things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are certainly good at hiding this fact. Perhaps you used
>>>>>>>> Linux once in 1995. It would certainly explain your rather dated
>>>>>>>> view on things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used it as my main OS since 1995 when I bought my first PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> You still sound like someone that hasn't used Linux since 1998.
>>>>
>>>> You have a preconceived notion as to how a "linux user" should sound
>>>> like.
>>>>
>>>> It is that notion of yours that needs to be corrected.
>>>
>>> My notion is fine. You're the idiot that should not be giving any
>>> advice or any comments that are relevant to desktop users. You simply
>>> don't understand the tools well enough and can't be bothered to find
>>> out. Nevermind how long you say you've used Linux or what you say you
>>> use.
>>
>> It would appear to me, that you are resorting to insults in place of a
>> rational discussion.
>
> I already detailed your ignorance.
>
>[deletia]
>
> Don't give advice to Windows refugees. You're simply out of your depth
>and clearly unwilling to acknowlege this fact or remedy it.
>
> Stick to giving advice to SunOS users.
>
>--
> If some college kid can replicate your "invention" without seeing |||
>any of the details of your patent then you have been granted a patent / | \
>on the "idea" and not the actual implementation.


HELP! I CAN'T STOP TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS UNDER WINDOWS!

 

[Ezekiel]

"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrnhlrps8.ml.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2010-01-25, Ezekiel <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>> news:slrnhlrdsv.unq.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>>> On 2010-01-25, Ezekiel <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ezekiel" <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hjk4bk$2ee$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>>>> news:slrnhlq7ci.nes.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:127 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus12856
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 009:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>
>>> [deletia]
>>>
>>>>>> No, dual headed cards are not typical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Easily proven to be false. Got to NewEgg.com where they have a total
>>>>> of
>>>>> 455 video cards in stock.
>>>>>
>>>>> 302 have single DVI.
>>>>> 148 have dual DVI.
>>>>> 5 have quad DVI.
>>>
>>> Yes. Because what is available at NewEgg of course corresponds to
>>> actual marketshare.
>>>
>>> [rolls eyes]
>>>
>>
>> Which is orders of magnitude better than your little fantasy world where
>> you
>> make empty claims without any sort of proof or evidence what-so-ever and
>> think your BS corresponds to actual marketshare.
>>
>> ROFLMAO!!!!
>
> You seem to be an indication of the sorry state of math education in
> America. The fact that there are multi-head cards for sale does not
> address
> the issue of how widespread they are.

Riiiight. All of these video card manufacturers are now making dual-head
video cards because there's no market for them. Best some luser like you
call the card manufacturers and tell them they're wasting their time.


> It's great that a gamer poser like you can go to NewEgg and trick out
> his computer and engage in a nice orgy of conspicous consuption. That
> doesn't
> necessarily relate to the vast majority of users.

I'm not a gamer. Then again making stupid comments is all too typical for
you. Seems that BestBuy also doesn't have the same marketing data that you
were able to gather in your mothers basement. A high percentage of video
cards that BestBuy sells also supports multiple monitors even though you
claim that there's barely a market for them.



> I can say the same of my SATA hot swap racks.

Ahhh... those imaginary hot swap racks of yours. A clueless poser like you
wouldn't know what to do with something like that.

 

[chrisv]

JEDIDIAH wrote:

> You seem to be an indication of the sorry state of math education in
>America. The fact that there are multi-head cards for sale does not address
>the issue of how widespread they are.

Indeed. The #1 video supplier is Intel, with their low-end
motherboard-based video. Even add-in cards with dual outputs (which
are quite common), are only rarely used for multiple monitors.

Bottom line, dual monitors is a very small niche and, as JED says,
would be used even less if Windows did multiple desktops as well as
Linux does.

--
"You can have multiple desktops on Windows too." - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark

 

[C]

Dave wrote:
>
>
> "C" <nospamming@please.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hji2uq$anu$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "C" <nospamming@please.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:hji25j$903$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for my rant, but I get tired of reading all the idiotic
>>>>> postings from Linux users who can't make a US Robotics modem work
>>>>> and then want to flame Windows. Yeah, I know I'm stupid, I have to
>>>>> have a platform that will AUTOMATICALLY support the most well-known
>>>>> modem in the world. (And I'm tired of reading )
>>>>
>>>> What do you need the US Robotics modem for?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> C
>>>
>>> I don't now, it was in a machine of a customer several years ago
>>> before cable.
>>
>> I think there's some licensing problems or some such over win
>> fax/data/voice modems. I never got one to work either.
>>
>> --
>> C
>
> I tried several win modems and, like you, found they usually wouldn't
> work in Linux. The modem I tried wasn't a win-modem, it was one of the
> models with a lot of bells and whistles. Don't remember the exact model
> now as it's been a while. The modem would work under windows or Mac, but
> wouldn't work under Linux. Wouldn't even work as a basic modem of any
> kind. Printer I mentioned was the same, wouldn't work in any fashion.
> IIRC, this was in the time period Wal-Mart introduced a desktop with
> Linux as the OS and due to the overwhelming problems stopped selling
> them after a short time. I was working as a computer tech in another
> retail store and we converted quite a few of them to Windows for customers.
> Dave

Data/Fax/Voice modems are pretty much gone the way of the floppy drive.
Nice to have, perhaps, but not used much anymore. I suspect that's why
modem compatibility isn't a high priority either on the part of the
modem vendors or Linux. Having said that, I understand there are some
modems that work with Linux and I know that there are scads of printers
that work with Linux. I just don't know which modems work with Linux. My
HP all in one works fine.

--
C

 

[Moshe Goldfarb]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:19:51 -0600, Lord Vetinari wrote:


>> Ubuntu Karmic.
>>
>> Firefox browser runs with youtube video open.
>>
>> User leaves and comes back after 1 day.
>>
>> Sound from firefox no longer works.
>>
>> User closes firefox.
>>
>> User starts another firefox.
>>
>> New firefox says "another instance of firefox is running".
>
> Seems more than a bit unlikely...I've never had any trouble running more
> than one instance of Firefox, on Windows (any flavor), or Linux.

I have, under Linux.
It has something to do with locked files I think.

Hasn't happened in a while though so I supposed it's been fixed.



--

1/25/2010 2:50:59 PM

 

[Moshe Goldfarb]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:18:02 -0600, Dave wrote:

> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> news:slrnhlpabk.da8.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>> On 2010-01-24, Dave <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <goldee.loxnbagels@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:benz0owx3yy5$.1hnrfmnugerxp.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:15:57 +0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 007:59 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So now what?
>>>>>> Boots to a CLI.
>>>>>> The person who owns this system is not happy. She clicked update and
>>>>>> that was it.
>>>>>> Gone good bye.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yea Linux is great.
>>>>>> Sure it is.
>>>>>> Keep telling yourselves that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And KSODs and BSODs never happen with Windows, either. Get a life,
>>>>> flatline.
>>>>
>>>> Upgraded 12 systems to Windows 7 and not a single problem.
>>>> Everything just works.
>>>> I'm not sure what you and your friends are doing wrong, but it
>>>> works fine for me.
>>>>
>>>> I have a life BTW.
>>>> The reason I have a life is because I don't run Ubuntu which
>>>> consumes time like a cheap whore consumes sperm.
>>>>
>>>> You Linux freaks spend all your time making Linux work.
>>>> It's a losing battle BTW.
>>>>
>>>> Almost 20 years and Linux still is less than 1 percent of the
>>>> desktop market.
>>>> That's a failure in most people's eyes.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty pathetic when something that is free is ignored.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> 1/24/2010 1:23:43 AM
>>>
>>> Starting appx 20 years ago I tried Linux in quite a few different
>>> flavors,
>>
>> ...starting 20 years ago eh?
>>
>> You are a very bad liar.
>>
>
> Why are you in a Windows forum if you like Linux so much? Not enough
> traffic there to entertain you?
> This one you need to trust me on, I won't get in a flame war with you for
> your entertainment, I got over letting little boys irritate me a long time
> ago.
> Have a good day and God Bless,
> Dave

Linux "advocates" are like religious zealots.
They feel some kind of inherent need to spread the gospel of Linux
everywhere, whether they are wanted or not.



--

1/25/2010 2:54:14 PM

 

[Moshe Goldfarb]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:42:49 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>> Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-25, Alias <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ignoramus29432 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the mental block about sound not working in firefox,
>>>>>>>>>>> and firefox not even exiting when asked?
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have that problem and I'm running Karmic.
>>>>>>>>> Do you ever leave your browser for an extended period of time, with
>>>>>>>>> sound from Flash having been used, and come back after, say, 24 hours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does sound still work?
>>>>>>>> No, I never leave my computers on for that long and when I'm finished
>>>>>>>> with FF, I close it.
>>>>>>> That explains it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep my computers on for months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So when you say "I do not have that problem", keep in mind that you do
>>>>>>> not even use your system in the way that makes you exposed to this
>>>>>>> problem. In other words, you do not really know if you have that
>>>>>>> problem or not.
>>>>>> I assume most people don't want to pay for electricity they aren't
>>>>>> using. I assumed wrongly in your case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you get the sound back if you reboot?
>>>>>>> Yes, in fact, I usually get the sound back if I kill firefox with
>>>>>>> "killall firefox".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you installed the pulse audio updates that came out today?
>>>>>>> I am installing now, but I have not tried them yet. I hope that they
>>>>>>> fix this annoying issue. I will do a full reboot today and will try it
>>>>>>> out. I am skeptical, but hopeful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>> I've noticed the sound is better since the update.
>>>>> In what way "better"? Or how was it worse before the update? Please be
>>>>> specific. You sound like a bullshitter fanboi like Marti to me.
>>>>>
>>>> It sounds better. It's louder. I can't hear your sorry ass, though,
>>>> which is a good thing.
>>>
>>> How does it sounds better? Please define "better". Was it bad before?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Install the updates and judge for yourself.
>
> I want to hear your definitions. hey! You're such a good
> "advocate". Come on. Fess up.
>
> Nothing wrong with my sound on Debian and I don't use Pulse.

You've rope-a-doped another Linux nut, Hadron.
Well done!

--

1/25/2010 2:55:18 PM

 

[Dabbler]

"C" <nospamming@please.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hjkrmd$hi3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> Data/Fax/Voice modems are pretty much gone the way of the floppy
> drive. Nice to have, perhaps, but not used much anymore. I suspect
> that's why modem compatibility isn't a high priority either on the
> part of the modem vendors or Linux. Having said that, I understand
> there are some modems that work with Linux and I know that there are
> scads of printers that work with Linux. I just don't know which modems
> work with Linux. My HP all in one works fine.

Probably the only places you can still find them are PC recycling
stores. I've got a pretty good Hayes Accura 56K modem for my old PC when
the previous modem died. You still need to use them with FAX software.