Password avoidance

[Fred]

"VK" <notospam@co.uk> wrote in message
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> Please remind me how to avoid the need to input password at each start up.
> Thanks
>
If you never turn your computer off or shut it down, you will never have to
restart, and there's nothing silly about that.

 

[Fred]

"Alex Clayton" <Alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Yes but when you choose that option on install it says "NOT RECOMMENDED"
>> in big red letters!
>>
>
> It also says that when you decide not to let Windows updates auto
> download. I take all the updates, but always do so manually. Every time
> they put out new ones I wait a few days to see if they screwed something
> up first, rather than be one of the many who get the update automatically,
> then find out something no longer works, and have to wait for MS to fix,
> what they screwed up.


Which never happens anyway.

 

[Alias]

Fred wrote:
> "VK" <notospam@co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hnajt9$5g3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> Please remind me how to avoid the need to input password at each start up.
>> Thanks
>>
> If you never turn your computer off or shut it down, you will never have to
> restart, and there's nothing silly about that.
>
>

"never have to restart" with Windows!? You're kidding, right?

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[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
> message news:hnavqg$vj3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Sam E" <no.email@all.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:l1thp5tt22m4rkuphunm6a99d0obe6hl5l@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:07:18 -0000, "Gordon"
>>> <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"VK" <notospam@co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:hnajt9$5g3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> Please remind me how to avoid the need to input password at each
>>>>> start up.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So what can you do with FIVE SECONDS?
>>>
>>> An excessively common error. It's NOT five seconds, but five
>>> seconds
>>> multiplied by the HUNDREDS on times you do this.
>>
>> And even more than that, a system configured for auto login allows
>> parallelization of tasks. Start system, do other things while
>> system starting and logging in, return to system when tasks done,
>> use system. If auto login isn't configured, you have to wait for
>> system to reach login screen, log in, wait for system to finish
>> startup before you can use it. Personally, I don't use it for my
>> workstations, but I can see the benefits. Why Gordon is so against
>> it, and for that matter why he even cares, is beyond me.
>>
>
> Because actually it's a SECURITY thing. Apart from anything else...
> It's no coincidence that the most secure Operating systems, UNIX,
> AIX, Linux etc do NOT allow "passwordless logins".
> I really do despair sometimes of the complete indifference of many
> Windows users to computer security...

If a machine is physically secure, and auto-logs in to an LUA account
that has a password, what, exactly, are the security implications you
are so worried about?

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[Sam E]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 163:40 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Sam E" <no.email@all.invalid> wrote in message
>news:l1thp5tt22m4rkuphunm6a99d0obe6hl5l@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:07:18 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"VK" <notospam@co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:hnajt9$5g3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> Please remind me how to avoid the need to input password at each start
>>>> up.
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>>So what can you do with FIVE SECONDS?
>>
>> An excessively common error. It's NOT five seconds, but five seconds
>> multiplied by the HUNDREDS on times you do this.
>
>Once a day. Jeeeze.....
>If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
>electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear on
>parts like the disk heads...

Of course I didn't say anything about more than once a day. What made
you "hear" that?

You may be using a computer for 60 years or more. 60 years, and ONE
logon per day. Now you've got over 21,914 logons. At 5 seconds each,
that's more than 24 hours wasted on repeatedly entering your password.

 

[Dave]

"Sam E" <no.email@all.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 163:40 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sam E" <no.email@all.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:l1thp5tt22m4rkuphunm6a99d0obe6hl5l@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:07:18 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"VK" <notospam@co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:hnajt9$5g3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> Please remind me how to avoid the need to input password at each start
>>>>> up.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So what can you do with FIVE SECONDS?
>>>
>>> An excessively common error. It's NOT five seconds, but five seconds
>>> multiplied by the HUNDREDS on times you do this.
>>
>>Once a day. Jeeeze.....
>>If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
>>electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear
>>on
>>parts like the disk heads...
>
> Of course I didn't say anything about more than once a day. What made
> you "hear" that?
>
> You may be using a computer for 60 years or more. 60 years, and ONE
> logon per day. Now you've got over 21,914 logons. At 5 seconds each,
> that's more than 24 hours wasted on repeatedly entering your password.

Man, that's nothin', I've wasted a lot more time than that riding my bike
and drinking beer.
Dave

 

[Peter Foldes]

No he is not. I did not this year yet even after updates and as a matter of fact not
since Oct of last year. W2K3 Enterprise R2

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"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
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> Fred wrote:
>> "VK" <notospam@co.uk> wrote in message news:hnajt9$5g3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> Please remind me how to avoid the need to input password at each start up.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>> If you never turn your computer off or shut it down, you will never have to
>> restart, and there's nothing silly about that.
>
> "never have to restart" with Windows!? You're kidding, right?
>
> --
> Alias

 

[Peter Foldes]

Gene

>> Once a day. Jeeeze.....
>> If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
>> electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear on
>> parts like the disk heads...

Actually Gordon is 100% correct with that statement. I agree . Same scenario if you
open and close a 100w light in the room on a 110v 60hz circuit it will take up twice
that amount of power than if you would leave the light on for a 24hr period without
shutting it off. Same exact principle for the computer

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"Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 163:40 -0000, Gordon wrote:
>
>> "Sam E" <no.email@all.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:l1thp5tt22m4rkuphunm6a99d0obe6hl5l@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:07:18 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"VK" <notospam@co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:hnajt9$5g3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> Please remind me how to avoid the need to input password at each start
>>>>> up.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So what can you do with FIVE SECONDS?
>>>
>>> An excessively common error. It's NOT five seconds, but five seconds
>>> multiplied by the HUNDREDS on times you do this.
>>
>> Once a day. Jeeeze.....
>> If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
>> electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear on
>> parts like the disk heads...
>
> You are losing credibility with those claims...
>
> --
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[GreyCloud]

Sam E wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 163:40 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Sam E" <no.email@all.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:l1thp5tt22m4rkuphunm6a99d0obe6hl5l@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:07:18 -0000, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "VK" <notospam@co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:hnajt9$5g3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> Please remind me how to avoid the need to input password at each start
>>>>> up.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>> So what can you do with FIVE SECONDS?
>>> An excessively common error. It's NOT five seconds, but five seconds
>>> multiplied by the HUNDREDS on times you do this.
>> Once a day. Jeeeze.....
>> If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
>> electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear on
>> parts like the disk heads...
>
> Of course I didn't say anything about more than once a day. What made
> you "hear" that?
>
> You may be using a computer for 60 years or more. 60 years, and ONE
> logon per day. Now you've got over 21,914 logons. At 5 seconds each,
> that's more than 24 hours wasted on repeatedly entering your password.

That is fine if it is your own computer.
Do it at work that demands security, and you'll find yourself out of a job.

 

[bd]

"Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Gene
>
>>> Once a day. Jeeeze.....
>>> If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots
>>> more electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places
>>> excessive wear on parts like the disk heads...
>
> Actually Gordon is 100% correct with that statement. I agree . Same
> scenario if you open and close a 100w light in the room on a 110v 60hz
> circuit it will take up twice that amount of power than if you would
> leave the light on for a 24hr period without shutting it off. Same
> exact principle for the computer
>

I watched an episode of Mythbusters and they said the opposite about the
light bulbs. I believe you can find the shows on line at their web site.

 

[Alias]

Peter Foldes wrote:
> No he is not. I did not this year yet even after updates and as a matter
> of fact not since Oct of last year. W2K3 Enterprise R2
>

We weren't talking about servers.

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[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:001 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Gene
>
> >> Once a day. Jeeeze.....
> >> If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
> >> electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear on
> >> parts like the disk heads...
>
> Actually Gordon is 100% correct with that statement. I agree . Same scenario if you
> open and close a 100w light in the room on a 110v 60hz circuit it will take up twice
> that amount of power than if you would leave the light on for a 24hr period without
> shutting it off. Same exact principle for the computer


Off topic, I know, but I'd appreciate it if you could point me to a
web site that documents what you say about that 100w light.

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[Sam E]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 2149 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
wrote:


[snip]

>> You may be using a computer for 60 years or more. 60 years, and ONE
>> logon per day. Now you've got over 21,914 logons. At 5 seconds each,
>> that's more than 24 hours wasted on repeatedly entering your password.
>
>That is fine

What's "this"? Are you continuing to imagine that I was LIMITING
myself to ONE DAY? How many times do you log on during your LIFE? You
spend a lot more than 5 seconds logging on.

> if it is your own computer.
>Do it at work that demands security, and you'll find yourself out of a job.

 

[Peter Foldes]

Ken

35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with a single 100
w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light staying open
will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch 10 times per
day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a bulb
continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any
electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
surge and then the burning ( running) time
But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over to you
(right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book at hand here
so as to show a hard copy

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"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:001 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Gene
>>
>> >> Once a day. Jeeeze.....
>> >> If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
>> >> electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear on
>> >> parts like the disk heads...
>>
>> Actually Gordon is 100% correct with that statement. I agree . Same scenario if
>> you
>> open and close a 100w light in the room on a 110v 60hz circuit it will take up
>> twice
>> that amount of power than if you would leave the light on for a 24hr period
>> without
>> shutting it off. Same exact principle for the computer
>
>
> Off topic, I know, but I'd appreciate it if you could point me to a
> web site that documents what you say about that 100w light.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Ken
>
> 35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with a single 100
> w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light staying open
> will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch 10 times per
> day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a bulb
> continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any
> electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
> surge and then the burning ( running) time
> But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over to you
> (right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book at hand here
> so as to show a hard copy


Thanks very much, Peter. Not to disagree with you, but if you can find
documentation on it, I'd like to show it to my wife.




> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:09bnp5p09qk49m9j3e55pbse4hj5pqtfn7@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:001 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> >> Once a day. Jeeeze.....
> >> >> If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
> >> >> electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear on
> >> >> parts like the disk heads...
> >>
> >> Actually Gordon is 100% correct with that statement. I agree . Same scenario if
> >> you
> >> open and close a 100w light in the room on a 110v 60hz circuit it will take up
> >> twice
> >> that amount of power than if you would leave the light on for a 24hr period
> >> without
> >> shutting it off. Same exact principle for the computer
> >
> >
> > Off topic, I know, but I'd appreciate it if you could point me to a
> > web site that documents what you say about that 100w light.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

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[Char Jackson]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Ken
>
>35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with a single 100
>w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light staying open
>will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch 10 times per
>day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a bulb
>continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any
>electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
>surge and then the burning ( running) time
>But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over to you
>(right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book at hand here
>so as to show a hard copy

What unit of measure is kvh?

 

[Seth]

"Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Ken
>>
>>35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with a
>>single 100
>>w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light
>>staying open
>>will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch 10
>>times per
>>day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a
>>bulb
>>continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies
>>to any
>>electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the
>>opening
>>surge and then the burning ( running) time
>>But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over to
>>you
>>(right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book at
>>hand here
>>so as to show a hard copy
>
> What unit of measure is kvh?
>


kilo volt hour. The way electricity is metered when determining how much
you used and how much you need to pay for.

 

[Sunny Bard]

Seth wrote:

> "Char Jackson" <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>> What unit of measure is kvh?
>
> kilo volt hour. The way electricity is metered when determining how much
> you used and how much you need to pay for.

So your electricity supplier doesn't care how many amps you draw? Tell
me where you live, I'm going to build a new datacentre

 

[TOM]

Peter Foldes wrote:
> Ken
>
> 35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with
> a single 100 w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where
> as the light staying open will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now
> open and close the switch 10 times per day which will cause 0.30kvh
> registration on the meter as compared to a bulb continuously burning for
> a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any electrical
> apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
> surge and then the burning ( running) time
> But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over
> to you (right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my
> CA book at hand here so as to show a hard copy


I was told, by the journeyman electrician I worked for, that the terms
"open" and "close" originated "way back when." He assumed that when
candles were used to provide light, they had shutters; you open the
shutters to light the room and close the shutters to darken the room.

Another idea was the "barn door" shutters on Klieg lights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klieg_light

Barn doors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_doors

Closer to the original off topic:
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/myths.html
--
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[GreyCloud]

Sam E wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 2149 -0700, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>>> You may be using a computer for 60 years or more. 60 years, and ONE
>>> logon per day. Now you've got over 21,914 logons. At 5 seconds each,
>>> that's more than 24 hours wasted on repeatedly entering your password.
>> That is fine
>
> What's "this"? Are you continuing to imagine that I was LIMITING
> myself to ONE DAY? How many times do you log on during your LIFE? You
> spend a lot more than 5 seconds logging on.
>
>> if it is your own computer.
>> Do it at work that demands security, and you'll find yourself out of a job.

That is totally ridiculous. All it takes is an outsider to get by
password security and it is all over with. What the OP wants is not
worth it.

I remember a DOD gal that managed a VMS cluster and she got pretty lazy
and wrote down her password, only because VMS does not allow
passwordless systems, and the system got compromised. She spent the
next year going from government facitly to facility teaching security
after that snafu.