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Gene E. Bloch
Flightless Bird
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:57:41 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:296 -0800, TOM wrote:
>
>> Peter Foldes wrote:
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> 35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with
>>> a single 100 w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where
>>> as the light staying open will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now
>>> open and close the switch 10 times per day which will cause 0.30kvh
>>> registration on the meter as compared to a bulb continuously burning for
>>> a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any electrical
>>> apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
>>> surge and then the burning ( running) time
>>> But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over
>>> to you (right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my
>>> CA book at hand here so as to show a hard copy
>>
>>
>> I was told, by the journeyman electrician I worked for, that the terms
>> "open" and "close" originated "way back when." He assumed that when
>> candles were used to provide light, they had shutters; you open the
>> shutters to light the room and close the shutters to darken the room.
>>
>> Another idea was the "barn door" shutters on Klieg lights:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klieg_light
>>
>> Barn doors:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_doors
>>
>> Closer to the original off topic:
>> http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/myths.html
>
> Have you ever seen an old-fashioned knife switch? One glance at that (or
> for that matter at the interior of a modern wall switch) would tell you
> where those terms come from. They are quite literal...
I was careless in the above. I forgot to point out that when you *open* a
switch you get darkness and when you *close* a switch you get light.
However, my grandparents and other relatives of their generation (they were
immigrants born around 1880) used to say "close the light" to mean turn the
light off.
Also, to engineers at least, an open circuit is a circuit that is not
powered or otherwise not complete.
BTW, if I were a poor person in the days of candles, I don't think I'd want
to close a shutter on them to cut off their light. I'd be burning candles
without getting the benefit of their light, which is poor economics.
--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:296 -0800, TOM wrote:
>
>> Peter Foldes wrote:
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> 35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with
>>> a single 100 w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where
>>> as the light staying open will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now
>>> open and close the switch 10 times per day which will cause 0.30kvh
>>> registration on the meter as compared to a bulb continuously burning for
>>> a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any electrical
>>> apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
>>> surge and then the burning ( running) time
>>> But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over
>>> to you (right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my
>>> CA book at hand here so as to show a hard copy
>>
>>
>> I was told, by the journeyman electrician I worked for, that the terms
>> "open" and "close" originated "way back when." He assumed that when
>> candles were used to provide light, they had shutters; you open the
>> shutters to light the room and close the shutters to darken the room.
>>
>> Another idea was the "barn door" shutters on Klieg lights:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klieg_light
>>
>> Barn doors:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_doors
>>
>> Closer to the original off topic:
>> http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/myths.html
>
> Have you ever seen an old-fashioned knife switch? One glance at that (or
> for that matter at the interior of a modern wall switch) would tell you
> where those terms come from. They are quite literal...
I was careless in the above. I forgot to point out that when you *open* a
switch you get darkness and when you *close* a switch you get light.
However, my grandparents and other relatives of their generation (they were
immigrants born around 1880) used to say "close the light" to mean turn the
light off.
Also, to engineers at least, an open circuit is a circuit that is not
powered or otherwise not complete.
BTW, if I were a poor person in the days of candles, I don't think I'd want
to close a shutter on them to cut off their light. I'd be burning candles
without getting the benefit of their light, which is poor economics.
--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom