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Partitioning new HDD for Win 7?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Kenny, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    alias is a bigot!

    On 7/16/2010 9:13 AM, Alias wrote:
    > On 7/16/2010 6:09 PM, Bob Hatch wrote:
    >> "There are no jobs that Americans
    >> will not do.

    >
    > Yes, there are.
    >
    >> There are jobs Americans
    >> will not be hired for because an
    >> illegal alien has taken it."

    >
    > You drank the right wing wacko kool aide.
    >
    >> "Illegal Alien = Job Thief"
    >>
    >> http://www.bobhatch.com
    >> http://www.tdsrvresort.com
    >> http://www.keepazsafe.com/

    >
    > There's no such thing as an "illegal alien". There are illegal migrants.
    > I'd love to see you after a day of strawberry picking, although you
    > probably would give up after an hour.
    >

    You're stupid and a fucking bigot. If you saw photos of California's
    Central Valley at harvest time, taken during the 50's, you see "white
    guys" working the fields, hand picking the crops. They were earning
    money to help pay for their College education.
    But that all changed in the late 50's when farmers discovered that they
    could hire Mexican's at a far cheaper hourly rate to do the same work.
    So when the "white guys" showed up one year, there were no jobs, in the
    fields, to be had.
    You're bigoted statements are noted and you continue to show just how
    little education or understanding you have about the World.
    BTW, FYI, the World in not flat!
    Oops!...LOL!
     
  2. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Re: alias is a bigot!

    On 7/16/2010 6:45 PM, Frank wrote:
    > On 7/16/2010 9:13 AM, Alias wrote:
    >> On 7/16/2010 6:09 PM, Bob Hatch wrote:
    >>> "There are no jobs that Americans
    >>> will not do.

    >>
    >> Yes, there are.
    >>
    >>> There are jobs Americans
    >>> will not be hired for because an
    >>> illegal alien has taken it."

    >>
    >> You drank the right wing wacko kool aide.
    >>
    >>> "Illegal Alien = Job Thief"
    >>>
    >>> http://www.bobhatch.com
    >>> http://www.tdsrvresort.com
    >>> http://www.keepazsafe.com/

    >>
    >> There's no such thing as an "illegal alien". There are illegal migrants.
    >> I'd love to see you after a day of strawberry picking, although you
    >> probably would give up after an hour.
    >>

    > You're stupid and a fucking bigot. If you saw photos of California's
    > Central Valley at harvest time, taken during the 50's, you see "white
    > guys" working the fields, hand picking the crops. They were earning
    > money to help pay for their College education.
    > But that all changed in the late 50's when farmers discovered that they
    > could hire Mexican's at a far cheaper hourly rate to do the same work.
    > So when the "white guys" showed up one year, there were no jobs, in the
    > fields, to be had.
    > You're bigoted statements are noted and you continue to show just how
    > little education or understanding you have about the World.
    > BTW, FYI, the World in not flat!
    > Oops!...LOL!


    Sorry, chum, but you are wrong, again, but what else is new?

    --
    Alias
     
  3. Death

    Death Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:

    > On 07/16/2010 06:05 PM, Death wrote:
    >>


    SNIP

    >>
    >> That's because you've been using a computer long enough to know you only
    >> need data backups.

    >
    > You like reinstalling programs?
    >


    It don't bother me, as it is a rare event when a total reinstall is
    necessary.
    I spend less time doing it my way then you do backing up 200 GB of
    program data weekly,monthly, whenever the fit strikes you.
    n00bs are usually so disorganized that the "backup everything" is the
    best method for the majority of the population

    >> These silly young people feel a need to back up the entire OS.

    >
    > So they don't have to reinstall programs, of course!
    >


    If, the backup was done right.
    noobs usually fuck that up too, so they are left doing it my way anyway.
    My way is the only fool proof way.
    Fool.
    I can quickly make redundant data backups.
    You need to clone the entire drive multiple times, and hopefully not on
    the same media(hint for ya there, n00b)

    >> They don't understand the concept of user data.
    >> Just back up every friggen thing under the sun in one fell swoop.
    >>
    >> But, PC manufacturers share the blame, as they don't come with OS disk
    >> anymore, unless you ask(some still don't, ask or not).
    >>

    >
    > You're an idiot who obviously knows nothing about backing up a computer.
    >


    Because, moron, the computer don't need backing up.
    Just the fucking user data.
    Your way ain't smarter, just the opposite.
    It's for dumbass n00bs.

    --
    Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
    Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
     
  4. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 7/16/2010 7:01 PM, Death wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >
    >> On 07/16/2010 06:05 PM, Death wrote:
    >>>

    >
    > SNIP
    >
    >>>
    >>> That's because you've been using a computer long enough to know you only
    >>> need data backups.

    >>
    >> You like reinstalling programs?
    >>

    >
    > It don't bother me, as it is a rare event when a total reinstall is
    > necessary.


    Yeah, hard drives never fail, right?

    > I spend less time doing it my way then you do backing up 200 GB of
    > program data weekly,monthly, whenever the fit strikes you.


    Huh? When I do an image, I don't back up my data with it. That's in a
    separate back up.

    > n00bs are usually so disorganized that the "backup everything" is the
    > best method for the majority of the population


    Back up is a computer user's best friend.

    >
    >>> These silly young people feel a need to back up the entire OS.

    >>
    >> So they don't have to reinstall programs, of course!
    >>

    >
    > If, the backup was done right.
    > noobs usually fuck that up too, so they are left doing it my way anyway.
    > My way is the only fool proof way.
    > Fool.
    > I can quickly make redundant data backups.
    > You need to clone the entire drive multiple times, and hopefully not on
    > the same media(hint for ya there, n00b)
    >
    >>> They don't understand the concept of user data.
    >>> Just back up every friggen thing under the sun in one fell swoop.
    >>>
    >>> But, PC manufacturers share the blame, as they don't come with OS disk
    >>> anymore, unless you ask(some still don't, ask or not).
    >>>

    >>
    >> You're an idiot who obviously knows nothing about backing up a computer.
    >>

    >
    > Because, moron, the computer don't need backing up.
    > Just the fucking user data.
    > Your way ain't smarter, just the opposite.
    > It's for dumbass n00bs.
    >


    Yawn.

    --
    Alias
     
  5. Death

    Death Flightless Bird

    Re: alias is a bigot!

    Alias wrote:

    > On 7/16/2010 6:45 PM, Frank wrote:
    >> On 7/16/2010 9:13 AM, Alias wrote:
    >>> On 7/16/2010 6:09 PM, Bob Hatch wrote:
    >>>> "There are no jobs that Americans
    >>>> will not do.
    >>>
    >>> Yes, there are.
    >>>
    >>>> There are jobs Americans
    >>>> will not be hired for because an
    >>>> illegal alien has taken it."
    >>>
    >>> You drank the right wing wacko kool aide.
    >>>
    >>>> "Illegal Alien = Job Thief"
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.bobhatch.com
    >>>> http://www.tdsrvresort.com
    >>>> http://www.keepazsafe.com/
    >>>
    >>> There's no such thing as an "illegal alien". There are illegal migrants.
    >>> I'd love to see you after a day of strawberry picking, although you
    >>> probably would give up after an hour.
    >>>

    >> You're stupid and a fucking bigot. If you saw photos of California's
    >> Central Valley at harvest time, taken during the 50's, you see "white
    >> guys" working the fields, hand picking the crops. They were earning
    >> money to help pay for their College education.
    >> But that all changed in the late 50's when farmers discovered that they
    >> could hire Mexican's at a far cheaper hourly rate to do the same work.
    >> So when the "white guys" showed up one year, there were no jobs, in the
    >> fields, to be had.
    >> You're bigoted statements are noted and you continue to show just how
    >> little education or understanding you have about the World.
    >> BTW, FYI, the World in not flat!
    >> Oops!...LOL!

    >
    > Sorry, chum, but you are wrong, again, but what else is new?
    >


    LOL.
    What part of hiring amigos as cheap, throw away labor don't you get?

    It's also not smart, as they don't spend the money here anyway, but send
    it back home to their families and to pay off the fees they incurred
    being smuggled here.

    Death wishes his truck could traverse the Rio Grande.
    He'd make a killing.
    Bet 30 of 'em could be stuffed in the bed of the truck.

    --
    Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
    Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
     
  6. Death

    Death Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:

    > On 7/16/2010 7:01 PM, Death wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 07/16/2010 06:05 PM, Death wrote:
    >>>>

    >>
    >> SNIP
    >>
    >>>>
    >>>> That's because you've been using a computer long enough to know you only
    >>>> need data backups.
    >>>
    >>> You like reinstalling programs?
    >>>

    >>
    >> It don't bother me, as it is a rare event when a total reinstall is
    >> necessary.

    >
    > Yeah, hard drives never fail, right?
    >


    Of course they do, but if it is happening to you frequently, you are
    either doing something wrong, or just a dumbass.
    Your imaged backup drive may fail.
    Oh no, now what?

    >> I spend less time doing it my way then you do backing up 200 GB of
    >> program data weekly,monthly, whenever the fit strikes you.

    >
    > Huh? When I do an image, I don't back up my data with it. That's in a
    > separate back up.
    >


    So, you image your HDD everytime you install a program?
    And, if you keep redundant backups, that is 2 HDD's that need to be
    imaged everytime you update a driver?
    I have really never understood imaging/cloning for home use.
    You end up with an outdated image of an OS.

    And, you are still doing a data backup, which, as I said...is all you
    need.


    >> n00bs are usually so disorganized that the "backup everything" is the
    >> best method for the majority of the population

    >
    > Back up is a computer user's best friend.
    >


    Not backing up the whole fucking kitchen sink.
    It is unecessary.

    >>
    >>>> These silly young people feel a need to back up the entire OS.
    >>>
    >>> So they don't have to reinstall programs, of course!
    >>>

    >>
    >> If, the backup was done right.
    >> noobs usually fuck that up too, so they are left doing it my way anyway.
    >> My way is the only fool proof way.
    >> Fool.
    >> I can quickly make redundant data backups.
    >> You need to clone the entire drive multiple times, and hopefully not on
    >> the same media(hint for ya there, n00b)
    >>
    >>>> They don't understand the concept of user data.
    >>>> Just back up every friggen thing under the sun in one fell swoop.
    >>>>
    >>>> But, PC manufacturers share the blame, as they don't come with OS disk
    >>>> anymore, unless you ask(some still don't, ask or not).
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> You're an idiot who obviously knows nothing about backing up a computer.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Because, moron, the computer don't need backing up.
    >> Just the fucking user data.
    >> Your way ain't smarter, just the opposite.
    >> It's for dumbass n00bs.
    >>

    >
    > Yawn.
    >


    Yawn nothing.
    There is no fuckin sence whatsoever for home users to do
    cloning/imaging of the entire drive.
    None.
    Personal data should be backed up to at least 2 independent external
    media locations.

    --
    Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
    Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
     
  7. Gordon

    Gordon Flightless Bird

    On 16/07/2010 15:20, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

    >
    > I also keep my applications separate from the OS as much as possible.
    > One way to avoid having to reinstall apps is to use portable versions.
    >


    Which is a bit difficult if you use predominantly MS applications...
     
  8. Alexander Arnakis

    Alexander Arnakis Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:47:11 +0100, "Kenny" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    >New PC arriving Monday with 1 TB HDD.
    >I like as much as possible to keep OS and files separate, also an image of
    >C: on a separate partition or drive.
    >When installing Win 7 from DVD is it easy to set partition sizes there or
    >should I complete the install then use partitioning software, probably
    >Paragon?
    >How much space should I allocate for OS & apps?
    >With XP I used a 30GB partition and had space to spare, will I need more for
    >Win 7?


    The Windows 7 DVD lets you set up the partitions and format the drive,
    early in the installation process.

    I think 30 GB is plenty for the operating system partition.

    With a 1 TB drive, I would create more than one additional partition
    in the remaining space.

    It might be a good idea to add a second HD to mirror the system (and
    your files),in case of a HD failure.
     
  9. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:57:25 -0500, "Don"
    <burnettedclothes@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >
    > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:i1pl3r$h1q$2@news.eternal-september.org...
    > > On 16/07/2010 12:44, Don wrote:
    > >
    > >> and most of my applications on a separate partition as well.

    > >
    > > Absolutely no point in that - if you re-install Windows then you have to
    > > re-install applications anyway...

    >
    >
    >
    > Yes I understand that, just an organizational thing that works for me.



    Your choice of course, but let me make the following point: separating
    different kinds of files on partitions is an organizational technique,
    but so is separating different kinds of files into folders. The
    difference is that partitions are static and fixed in size, while
    folders are dynamic, changing size automatically as necessary to meet
    your changing needs. That generally makes folders a much better way to
    organize, in my view.


    You might like to read this article I've written "Understanding Disk
    Partitioning" at
    http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326
     
  10. Bill Yanaire, ESQ

    Bill Yanaire, ESQ Flightless Bird

    Re: alias is a bigot!

    "Death" <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote in message
    news:4c4092a8$1@news.x-privat.org...
    > Alias wrote:
    >
    >> On 7/16/2010 6:45 PM, Frank wrote:
    >>> On 7/16/2010 9:13 AM, Alias wrote:
    >>>> On 7/16/2010 6:09 PM, Bob Hatch wrote:
    >>>>> "There are no jobs that Americans
    >>>>> will not do.
    >>>>
    >>>> Yes, there are.
    >>>>
    >>>>> There are jobs Americans
    >>>>> will not be hired for because an
    >>>>> illegal alien has taken it."
    >>>>
    >>>> You drank the right wing wacko kool aide.
    >>>>
    >>>>> "Illegal Alien = Job Thief"
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.bobhatch.com
    >>>>> http://www.tdsrvresort.com
    >>>>> http://www.keepazsafe.com/
    >>>>
    >>>> There's no such thing as an "illegal alien". There are illegal
    >>>> migrants.
    >>>> I'd love to see you after a day of strawberry picking, although you
    >>>> probably would give up after an hour.
    >>>>
    >>> You're stupid and a fucking bigot. If you saw photos of California's
    >>> Central Valley at harvest time, taken during the 50's, you see "white
    >>> guys" working the fields, hand picking the crops. They were earning
    >>> money to help pay for their College education.
    >>> But that all changed in the late 50's when farmers discovered that they
    >>> could hire Mexican's at a far cheaper hourly rate to do the same work.
    >>> So when the "white guys" showed up one year, there were no jobs, in the
    >>> fields, to be had.
    >>> You're bigoted statements are noted and you continue to show just how
    >>> little education or understanding you have about the World.
    >>> BTW, FYI, the World in not flat!
    >>> Oops!...LOL!

    >>
    >> Sorry, chum, but you are wrong, again, but what else is new?
    >>

    >
    > LOL.
    > What part of hiring amigos as cheap, throw away labor don't you get?
    >
    > It's also not smart, as they don't spend the money here anyway, but send
    > it back home to their families and to pay off the fees they incurred
    > being smuggled here.
    >
    > Death wishes his truck could traverse the Rio Grande.
    > He'd make a killing.
    > Bet 30 of 'em could be stuffed in the bed of the truck.
    >

    Take an 18 wheeler. You can take the rest of the year off!
     
  11. Death

    Death Flightless Bird

    Re: alias is a bigot!

    Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:

    >
    >
    > "Death" <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote in message
    > news:4c4092a8$1@news.x-privat.org...
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 7/16/2010 6:45 PM, Frank wrote:
    >>>> On 7/16/2010 9:13 AM, Alias wrote:
    >>>>> On 7/16/2010 6:09 PM, Bob Hatch wrote:
    >>>>>> "There are no jobs that Americans
    >>>>>> will not do.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Yes, there are.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> There are jobs Americans
    >>>>>> will not be hired for because an
    >>>>>> illegal alien has taken it."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You drank the right wing wacko kool aide.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> "Illegal Alien = Job Thief"
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.bobhatch.com
    >>>>>> http://www.tdsrvresort.com
    >>>>>> http://www.keepazsafe.com/
    >>>>>
    >>>>> There's no such thing as an "illegal alien". There are illegal
    >>>>> migrants.
    >>>>> I'd love to see you after a day of strawberry picking, although you
    >>>>> probably would give up after an hour.
    >>>>>
    >>>> You're stupid and a fucking bigot. If you saw photos of California's
    >>>> Central Valley at harvest time, taken during the 50's, you see "white
    >>>> guys" working the fields, hand picking the crops. They were earning
    >>>> money to help pay for their College education.
    >>>> But that all changed in the late 50's when farmers discovered that they
    >>>> could hire Mexican's at a far cheaper hourly rate to do the same work.
    >>>> So when the "white guys" showed up one year, there were no jobs, in the
    >>>> fields, to be had.
    >>>> You're bigoted statements are noted and you continue to show just how
    >>>> little education or understanding you have about the World.
    >>>> BTW, FYI, the World in not flat!
    >>>> Oops!...LOL!
    >>>
    >>> Sorry, chum, but you are wrong, again, but what else is new?
    >>>

    >>
    >> LOL.
    >> What part of hiring amigos as cheap, throw away labor don't you get?
    >>
    >> It's also not smart, as they don't spend the money here anyway, but send
    >> it back home to their families and to pay off the fees they incurred
    >> being smuggled here.
    >>
    >> Death wishes his truck could traverse the Rio Grande.
    >> He'd make a killing.
    >> Bet 30 of 'em could be stuffed in the bed of the truck.
    >>

    > Take an 18 wheeler. You can take the rest of the year off!
    >


    I could, but after that I could only haul for Taco Bell.
    Macy's don't want clothes that smell like Texas Pete.

    --
    Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
    Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
     
  12. Bill Yanaire, ESQ

    Bill Yanaire, ESQ Flightless Bird

    Re: alias is a bigot!

    "Death" <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote in message
    news:4c409f3d@news.x-privat.org...
    > Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> "Death" <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote in message
    >> news:4c4092a8$1@news.x-privat.org...
    >>> Alias wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 7/16/2010 6:45 PM, Frank wrote:
    >>>>> On 7/16/2010 9:13 AM, Alias wrote:
    >>>>>> On 7/16/2010 6:09 PM, Bob Hatch wrote:
    >>>>>>> "There are no jobs that Americans
    >>>>>>> will not do.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Yes, there are.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> There are jobs Americans
    >>>>>>> will not be hired for because an
    >>>>>>> illegal alien has taken it."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You drank the right wing wacko kool aide.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Illegal Alien = Job Thief"
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://www.bobhatch.com
    >>>>>>> http://www.tdsrvresort.com
    >>>>>>> http://www.keepazsafe.com/
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> There's no such thing as an "illegal alien". There are illegal
    >>>>>> migrants.
    >>>>>> I'd love to see you after a day of strawberry picking, although you
    >>>>>> probably would give up after an hour.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> You're stupid and a fucking bigot. If you saw photos of California's
    >>>>> Central Valley at harvest time, taken during the 50's, you see "white
    >>>>> guys" working the fields, hand picking the crops. They were earning
    >>>>> money to help pay for their College education.
    >>>>> But that all changed in the late 50's when farmers discovered that
    >>>>> they
    >>>>> could hire Mexican's at a far cheaper hourly rate to do the same work.
    >>>>> So when the "white guys" showed up one year, there were no jobs, in
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> fields, to be had.
    >>>>> You're bigoted statements are noted and you continue to show just how
    >>>>> little education or understanding you have about the World.
    >>>>> BTW, FYI, the World in not flat!
    >>>>> Oops!...LOL!
    >>>>
    >>>> Sorry, chum, but you are wrong, again, but what else is new?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> LOL.
    >>> What part of hiring amigos as cheap, throw away labor don't you get?
    >>>
    >>> It's also not smart, as they don't spend the money here anyway, but send
    >>> it back home to their families and to pay off the fees they incurred
    >>> being smuggled here.
    >>>
    >>> Death wishes his truck could traverse the Rio Grande.
    >>> He'd make a killing.
    >>> Bet 30 of 'em could be stuffed in the bed of the truck.
    >>>

    >> Take an 18 wheeler. You can take the rest of the year off!
    >>

    >
    > I could, but after that I could only haul for Taco Bell.
    > Macy's don't want clothes that smell like Texas Pete.
    >

    LOL!
     
  13. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 07/16/2010 07:32 PM, Death wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >
    >> On 7/16/2010 7:01 PM, Death wrote:
    >>> Alias wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 07/16/2010 06:05 PM, Death wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>
    >>> SNIP
    >>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That's because you've been using a computer long enough to know you only
    >>>>> need data backups.
    >>>>
    >>>> You like reinstalling programs?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> It don't bother me, as it is a rare event when a total reinstall is
    >>> necessary.

    >>
    >> Yeah, hard drives never fail, right?
    >>

    >
    > Of course they do, but if it is happening to you frequently, you are
    > either doing something wrong, or just a dumbass.
    > Your imaged backup drive may fail.


    It's been tested, of course.

    > Oh no, now what?


    You're a moron.

    >
    >>> I spend less time doing it my way then you do backing up 200 GB of
    >>> program data weekly,monthly, whenever the fit strikes you.

    >>
    >> Huh? When I do an image, I don't back up my data with it. That's in a
    >> separate back up.
    >>

    >
    > So, you image your HDD everytime you install a program?


    After a fresh install, including programs I want, I don't install many
    programs. I already know what I want before I get started. As I image
    every month or so and back up critical data daily, I'm always set to go.

    > And, if you keep redundant backups, that is 2 HDD's that need to be
    > imaged everytime you update a driver?
    > I have really never understood imaging/cloning for home use.
    > You end up with an outdated image of an OS.


    You end up with a lot more done than a clean install of Windows, or
    worse, a clean install of HP/Dell/Acer Windows and crapware.

    >
    > And, you are still doing a data backup, which, as I said...is all you
    > need.


    See above and educate yourself, n00b.

    >
    >
    >>> n00bs are usually so disorganized that the "backup everything" is the
    >>> best method for the majority of the population

    >>
    >> Back up is a computer user's best friend.
    >>

    >
    > Not backing up the whole fucking kitchen sink.
    > It is unecessary.


    See above and educate yourself, n00b.

    >
    >>>
    >>>>> These silly young people feel a need to back up the entire OS.
    >>>>
    >>>> So they don't have to reinstall programs, of course!
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> If, the backup was done right.
    >>> noobs usually fuck that up too, so they are left doing it my way anyway.
    >>> My way is the only fool proof way.
    >>> Fool.
    >>> I can quickly make redundant data backups.
    >>> You need to clone the entire drive multiple times, and hopefully not on
    >>> the same media(hint for ya there, n00b)
    >>>
    >>>>> They don't understand the concept of user data.
    >>>>> Just back up every friggen thing under the sun in one fell swoop.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> But, PC manufacturers share the blame, as they don't come with OS disk
    >>>>> anymore, unless you ask(some still don't, ask or not).
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> You're an idiot who obviously knows nothing about backing up a computer.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Because, moron, the computer don't need backing up.
    >>> Just the fucking user data.
    >>> Your way ain't smarter, just the opposite.
    >>> It's for dumbass n00bs.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Yawn.
    >>

    >
    > Yawn nothing.
    > There is no fuckin sence whatsoever for home users to do
    > cloning/imaging of the entire drive.
    > None.
    > Personal data should be backed up to at least 2 independent external
    > media locations.
    >


    You're a n00b.

    --
    Alias
     
  14. Bill Bradshaw

    Bill Bradshaw Flightless Bird

    I also partition mine into separate partitions for OS, Programs, and Data.
    Hold over from the old days. I definitely would recommend to everybody that
    you keep the data you create on a separate partition. Makes it very easy to
    backup all your important files and in my mind that partition is less likely
    to get corrupted (I don't know why so don't ask me :).).

    <Bill>

    Gordon wrote:
    > On 16/07/2010 15:20, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> I also keep my applications separate from the OS as much as possible.
    >> One way to avoid having to reinstall apps is to use portable
    >> versions.

    >
    > Which is a bit difficult if you use predominantly MS applications...
     
  15. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 7/16/2010 12:14 PM, Alias wrote:
    > On 07/16/2010 07:32 PM, Death wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 7/16/2010 7:01 PM, Death wrote:
    >>>> Alias wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 07/16/2010 06:05 PM, Death wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> SNIP
    >>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> That's because you've been using a computer long enough to know
    >>>>>> you only
    >>>>>> need data backups.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You like reinstalling programs?
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> It don't bother me, as it is a rare event when a total reinstall is
    >>>> necessary.
    >>>
    >>> Yeah, hard drives never fail, right?
    >>>

    >>
    >> Of course they do, but if it is happening to you frequently, you are
    >> either doing something wrong, or just a dumbass.
    >> Your imaged backup drive may fail.

    >
    > It's been tested, of course.
    >
    >> Oh no, now what?

    >
    > You're a moron.
    >
    >>
    >>>> I spend less time doing it my way then you do backing up 200 GB of
    >>>> program data weekly,monthly, whenever the fit strikes you.
    >>>
    >>> Huh? When I do an image, I don't back up my data with it. That's in a
    >>> separate back up.
    >>>

    >>
    >> So, you image your HDD everytime you install a program?

    >
    > After a fresh install, including programs I want, I don't install many
    > programs. I already know what I want before I get started. As I image
    > every month or so and back up critical data daily, I'm always set to go.
    >
    >> And, if you keep redundant backups, that is 2 HDD's that need to be
    >> imaged everytime you update a driver?
    >> I have really never understood imaging/cloning for home use.
    >> You end up with an outdated image of an OS.

    >
    > You end up with a lot more done than a clean install of Windows, or
    > worse, a clean install of HP/Dell/Acer Windows and crapware.
    >
    >>
    >> And, you are still doing a data backup, which, as I said...is all you
    >> need.

    >
    > See above and educate yourself, n00b.
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>>> n00bs are usually so disorganized that the "backup everything" is the
    >>>> best method for the majority of the population
    >>>
    >>> Back up is a computer user's best friend.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Not backing up the whole fucking kitchen sink.
    >> It is unecessary.

    >
    > See above and educate yourself, n00b.
    >
    >>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> These silly young people feel a need to back up the entire OS.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So they don't have to reinstall programs, of course!
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> If, the backup was done right.
    >>>> noobs usually fuck that up too, so they are left doing it my way
    >>>> anyway.
    >>>> My way is the only fool proof way.
    >>>> Fool.
    >>>> I can quickly make redundant data backups.
    >>>> You need to clone the entire drive multiple times, and hopefully not on
    >>>> the same media(hint for ya there, n00b)
    >>>>
    >>>>>> They don't understand the concept of user data.
    >>>>>> Just back up every friggen thing under the sun in one fell swoop.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> But, PC manufacturers share the blame, as they don't come with OS
    >>>>>> disk
    >>>>>> anymore, unless you ask(some still don't, ask or not).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You're an idiot who obviously knows nothing about backing up a
    >>>>> computer.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Because, moron, the computer don't need backing up.
    >>>> Just the fucking user data.
    >>>> Your way ain't smarter, just the opposite.
    >>>> It's for dumbass n00bs.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Yawn.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Yawn nothing.
    >> There is no fuckin sence whatsoever for home users to do
    >> cloning/imaging of the entire drive.
    >> None.
    >> Personal data should be backed up to at least 2 independent external
    >> media locations.
    >>

    >
    > You're a n00b.
    >

    You're lying POS n00b.
     
  16. Death

    Death Flightless Bird

    Bill Bradshaw wrote:

    > I also partition mine into separate partitions for OS, Programs, and Data.
    > Hold over from the old days. I definitely would recommend to everybody that
    > you keep the data you create on a separate partition. Makes it very easy to
    > backup all your important files and in my mind that partition is less likely
    > to get corrupted (I don't know why so don't ask me :).).
    >


    That data partition is not a backup.
    Any partition on a failing HDD is lost.

    Any corruption of the OS partition also render the program partition
    useless.

    --
    Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
    Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
     
  17. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    Re: alias is a bigot!

    On 7/16/2010 9:52 AM, Alias wrote:
    > On 7/16/2010 6:45 PM, Frank wrote:
    >> On 7/16/2010 9:13 AM, Alias wrote:
    >>> On 7/16/2010 6:09 PM, Bob Hatch wrote:
    >>>> "There are no jobs that Americans
    >>>> will not do.
    >>>
    >>> Yes, there are.
    >>>
    >>>> There are jobs Americans
    >>>> will not be hired for because an
    >>>> illegal alien has taken it."
    >>>
    >>> You drank the right wing wacko kool aide.
    >>>
    >>>> "Illegal Alien = Job Thief"
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.bobhatch.com
    >>>> http://www.tdsrvresort.com
    >>>> http://www.keepazsafe.com/
    >>>
    >>> There's no such thing as an "illegal alien". There are illegal migrants.
    >>> I'd love to see you after a day of strawberry picking, although you
    >>> probably would give up after an hour.
    >>>

    >> You're stupid and a fucking bigot. If you saw photos of California's
    >> Central Valley at harvest time, taken during the 50's, you see "white
    >> guys" working the fields, hand picking the crops. They were earning
    >> money to help pay for their College education.
    >> But that all changed in the late 50's when farmers discovered that they
    >> could hire Mexican's at a far cheaper hourly rate to do the same work.
    >> So when the "white guys" showed up one year, there were no jobs, in the
    >> fields, to be had.
    >> You're bigoted statements are noted and you continue to show just how
    >> little education or understanding you have about the World.
    >> BTW, FYI, the World in not flat!
    >> Oops!...LOL!

    >
    > Sorry, chum, but you are wrong, again, but what else is new?
    >

    hehehe...no *CHUMP*, I'm right and everyone in this State knows it.
    Obviously, you failed History (& English), and you're a bigot.
    Try Google sheep-fucker, and you'll see the B&W pics that prove exactly
    what I said.
    If you dare!
     
  18. Death

    Death Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:

    > On 07/16/2010 07:32 PM, Death wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 7/16/2010 7:01 PM, Death wrote:
    >>>> Alias wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 07/16/2010 06:05 PM, Death wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> SNIP
    >>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> That's because you've been using a computer long enough to know you only
    >>>>>> need data backups.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You like reinstalling programs?
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> It don't bother me, as it is a rare event when a total reinstall is
    >>>> necessary.
    >>>
    >>> Yeah, hard drives never fail, right?
    >>>

    >>
    >> Of course they do, but if it is happening to you frequently, you are
    >> either doing something wrong, or just a dumbass.
    >> Your imaged backup drive may fail.

    >
    > It's been tested, of course.
    >


    You tested the backup itself?
    No, of course you didn't...people never realise the backup is corrupt
    until restored.
    The OS residing HDD has been tested too, buttmunch.

    >> Oh no, now what?

    >
    > You're a moron.
    >


    Says you.
    Dumbass.

    >>
    >>>> I spend less time doing it my way then you do backing up 200 GB of
    >>>> program data weekly,monthly, whenever the fit strikes you.
    >>>
    >>> Huh? When I do an image, I don't back up my data with it. That's in a
    >>> separate back up.
    >>>

    >>
    >> So, you image your HDD everytime you install a program?

    >
    > After a fresh install, including programs I want, I don't install many
    > programs. I already know what I want before I get started. As I image
    > every month or so and back up critical data daily, I'm always set to go.
    >


    The "every month or so Imaging" is what makes you a monkey.
    Dumbass monkey.

    >> And, if you keep redundant backups, that is 2 HDD's that need to be
    >> imaged everytime you update a driver?
    >> I have really never understood imaging/cloning for home use.
    >> You end up with an outdated image of an OS.

    >
    > You end up with a lot more done than a clean install of Windows, or
    > worse, a clean install of HP/Dell/Acer Windows and crapware.
    >


    A "clean install" excludes crapware.
    You are just another dumbass customer of OEM shit.
    Death is not.

    A "clean install" with crapware...LOL.

    >>
    >> And, you are still doing a data backup, which, as I said...is all you
    >> need.

    >
    > See above and educate yourself, n00b.
    >


    You are lazy...that's all.
    And, your PC is so fucking slow, it takes you hours to do what it takes
    me a few minutes.
    Move above 56K, moron.

    >>
    >>
    >>>> n00bs are usually so disorganized that the "backup everything" is the
    >>>> best method for the majority of the population
    >>>
    >>> Back up is a computer user's best friend.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Not backing up the whole fucking kitchen sink.
    >> It is unecessary.

    >
    > See above and educate yourself, n00b.
    >


    I don't need to, moron.
    I own my programs on disk...they install quickly.
    The saved config files, backup data put them as before immediately.
    The library PCs have you confused.

    >>
    >>>>
    >>>>>> These silly young people feel a need to back up the entire OS.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So they don't have to reinstall programs, of course!
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> If, the backup was done right.
    >>>> noobs usually fuck that up too, so they are left doing it my way anyway.
    >>>> My way is the only fool proof way.
    >>>> Fool.
    >>>> I can quickly make redundant data backups.
    >>>> You need to clone the entire drive multiple times, and hopefully not on
    >>>> the same media(hint for ya there, n00b)
    >>>>
    >>>>>> They don't understand the concept of user data.
    >>>>>> Just back up every friggen thing under the sun in one fell swoop.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> But, PC manufacturers share the blame, as they don't come with OS disk
    >>>>>> anymore, unless you ask(some still don't, ask or not).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You're an idiot who obviously knows nothing about backing up a computer.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Because, moron, the computer don't need backing up.
    >>>> Just the fucking user data.
    >>>> Your way ain't smarter, just the opposite.
    >>>> It's for dumbass n00bs.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Yawn.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Yawn nothing.
    >> There is no fuckin sence whatsoever for home users to do
    >> cloning/imaging of the entire drive.
    >> None.
    >> Personal data should be backed up to at least 2 independent external
    >> media locations.
    >>

    >
    > You're a n00b.
    >


    Yes...yet I'm not the one backing up OS data for no fuckin reason.
    Using the most useless "program" for backups makes you a moron.
    Death is always up and running.
    An actual guru.


    --
    Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
    Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.
     
  19. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On 16 Jul 2010 21:28:41 +0200, Death wrote:

    > Bill Bradshaw wrote:
    >
    >> I also partition mine into separate partitions for OS, Programs, and Data.
    >> Hold over from the old days. I definitely would recommend to everybody that
    >> you keep the data you create on a separate partition. Makes it very easy to
    >> backup all your important files and in my mind that partition is less likely
    >> to get corrupted (I don't know why so don't ask me :).).
    >>

    >
    > That data partition is not a backup.
    > Any partition on a failing HDD is lost.
    >
    > Any corruption of the OS partition also render the program partition
    > useless.


    You should reread what Bill Bradshaw wrote.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
  20. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:21:49 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
    wrote:

    > I also partition mine into separate partitions for OS, Programs, and Data.
    > Hold over from the old days. I definitely would recommend to everybody that
    > you keep the data you create on a separate partition. Makes it very easy to
    > backup all your important files



    How you do your backups is a very good factor for helping to determine
    what your partition structure should be. For those people who backup
    only data, yes, what you say is a good reason for separating data on
    its own partition.

    But many people backup their entire drive by creating a clone or an
    image. For them, that reason vanishes completely.



    > and in my mind that partition is less likely
    > to get corrupted (I don't know why so don't ask me :).).



    I won't ask you, but I'll state that I completely disagree with you.
    And even if it were true, if you had a good program of regular backup
    in place, it would hardly matter. Partition structure should *never*
    be thought of as any kind of substitute for backup strategy.
     

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