News reader for Win7

[R. C. White]

Hi, Sunny.

Yes, I'm using WLMail for both email and news. It is NOT the same as
Outlook Express, but it is close enough that it took only a day or two to
get familiar with it. As Gordon said, the new Wave 4 beta version is
"considerably different" with the new Ribbon and it still has some bugs -
for me, at least - that need to be worked out before RTW. Wave 3 is the
version available at http://explore.live.com/windows-live-essentials?os=win7
and is currently the latest non-beta version available.

I've used WLMail for mail and news from multiple servers, just as I did for
more than a decade with OE. MANY ISP's stopped carrying Usenet, even before
Microsoft's decision, but my ISP (Grande Communications, in San Marcos, TX)
still offers the full range of 100,000+ NGs - including mirrors of all those
that have been available on the Microsoft public news server
(msnews.microsoft.com). That server IS being closed by Microsoft, by
October 2010. It remains to be seen how many - and which - of those MS NGs
will continue on Usenet after the Microsoft "mother ship" closes.

I see that you are using OE to read THIS NG, Sunny. I'm using WLMail, just
as I did with OE - except that I haven't used WinXP since 2006. The Netbook
that I got in March had Win7 Starter, which I quickly upgraded to 32-bit
Win7 Ultimate. WLMail runs fine in both Starter and Ultimate.

Like many others, including many MVPs, I'm VERY disappointed at Microsoft's
decision to move from newsgroups to forums. We fought very hard to get MSFT
to reverse that decision, to no avail. For myself, like many MVPs and
others, I am TRYING to use forums (mostly via the Community NNTP Bridge)
while continuing to subscribe to remaining newsgroups on Usenet as long as I
can.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2010 (15.3.2804.0607) in Win7 Ultimate x64)


"Sunny" wrote in message
news:kcd%n.819$Yv.786@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

For use on a "Netbook" ?
With the demise of Outlook Express in Windows7 is anyone using Windows
live Mail as a news reader?
My searching so far seems to point that the only news reader capability is
restricted to the soon to defunked microsoft news server. (Which will soon
be re-directed web based "forums")

 

[DanS]

>>
>>Actually fairly easy:
>>Load msg from idiot, right click on From (it is in blue),
>>get drop down list, last choice is "Create filter..". You
>>do not need to type anything.
>
> It's even easier with Agent. Ctrl K

And *even easier* in XNews.....it's just 'k'

 

[Worn Out Retread]

"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:kcd%n.819$Yv.786@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
> For use on a "Netbook" ?
> With the demise of Outlook Express in Windows7 is anyone using Windows
> live Mail as a news reader?
> My searching so far seems to point that the only news reader capability is
> restricted to the soon to defunked microsoft news server. (Which will soon
> be re-directed web based "forums")

I use Windows Live Mail.

As far as the newsgroups are concerned, Microsoft isn't the only supplier of
newsgroups and Windows Live Mail can connect with newsgroup servers that
don't belong to Microsoft.

Some alternatives are: news.datemas.de news.eternal-september.org
aioe.cjb.net

 

[bettablue]

"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:kcd%n.819$Yv.786@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
> For use on a "Netbook" ?
> With the demise of Outlook Express in Windows7 is anyone using Windows
> live Mail as a news reader?
> My searching so far seems to point that the only news reader capability is
> restricted to the soon to defunked microsoft news server. (Which will soon
> be re-directed web based "forums")
>
>
>
>
>

Although many people are using WLM for email and newsgroups, there are many
choices. Look at a few and decide for yourself which is right for you. For
me, WLM is fine. But, that's just me.

 

[Bob Hatch]

On 7/14/2010 5:26 AM, News123 wrote:
> Thanks a lot for all your answers.
>
>
> I'm quiet embarrassed, that I never stumbled over it so far, as it is
> really quite easy.
>
> It seems, that somehow I never clicked on the message menu.
>
> I tried 'right-clicking on the message' forgetting, that the right click
> menus are very often a littlre reduced in features.
>
>
> Thanks again an happy news reading
>
>
> Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:496 -0400, LouB<Lou@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> News123 wrote:
>>>> Sunny Bard wrote:
>>>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only real problem with using TBird for newsgroups is that its
>>>>>> filtering system is crippled for news messages...
>>>>> Slightly less crippled in TB3.x than previous versions, but still poor
>>>>> compared to most other newsreaders, doesn't stop me using it though.
>>>> Is there any filtering in TB for usenet?
>>>>
>>>> I'd be glad to add kill file entries for some users or topics,
>>>> (especially since I subscribe to slighly noisier groups) , but don't
>>>> know how to do it with TB
>>> Actually fairly easy:
>>> Load msg from idiot, right click on From (it is in blue), get drop down
>>> list, last choice is "Create filter..". You do not need to type anything.
>>
>> It's even easier with Agent. Ctrl K
>>
>> Steve
>>

If what you're looking to do is to "Kill" a thread you can press "K" in
Thunderbird, go to another group then back and the thread will be GONE.
Works really well for Frank and Alias crap.

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[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:25:43 +1000, "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
> "Bob Hatch" <bob.hatch@ymail.com> wrote in message
> news:4c3d63aa$0$32374$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> > On 7/13/2010 11:56 PM, Sunny wrote:
> >> For use on a "Netbook" ?
> >> With the demise of Outlook Express in Windows7 is anyone using Windows
> >> live Mail as a news reader?
> >> My searching so far seems to point that the only news reader capability
> >> is
> >> restricted to the soon to defunked microsoft news server. (Which will
> >> soon
> >> be re-directed web based "forums")
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Lots of people are using WLM. I tried it and didn't like it. I then
> > tried Thunderbird as well as a couple of others like Agent. Thunderbird
> > was the one I settled on. It's easy to use and the cost is right.
>
> Thanks, Looks like I have to use Agent or Thunderbird then
> Are they both OK as e-mail programs as well ?


They both can be used for e-mail, but how good they are is your
decision. Try whichever one you want (or both) and see for yourself.
Other people work differently from the way you do, so their opinions
shouldn't matter.

Personally, I use Agent 6.0 as a newsreader (and I like it very much)
and Outlook 2010 as an e-mail client.

 

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:56:07 +1000, "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

> For use on a "Netbook" ?


Whether it's a netbook, a bigger notebook, or a desktop doesn't really
matter. What software you choose shouldn't be affected by that.


> With the demise of Outlook Express in Windows7


Outlook Express was never in Windows 7. It wasn't in Vista either;
Windows XP was the last version of Windows to include it.


> is anyone using Windows
> live Mail as a news reader?


Note that Windows Mail (in Vista) was essentially just the new version
of Outlook Express, with a new name. And Windows Live Mail was
essentially just a *newer* version of Outlook Express, with another
new name (and Microsoft once again did a poor job of choosing the two
names Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail, since many people confuse
them).

I've tried Windows Live Mail, but didn't like it. I think FortÊ Agent
is a *much* better newsreader.


> My searching so far seems to point that the only news reader capability is
> restricted to the soon to defunked microsoft news server.


Three points here:

1. There are many *thousands* of newsgroups. Those that Microsoft
started were a very small percentage of what's available.

2. Microsoft has already stopped carrying many of its public
newsgroups, and they will stop the others soon.

3. A newsgroup doesn't disappear simply because Microsoft stops
carrying it. The Microsoft newsgroups (like most others) are echoed to
thousands of others all over the world. Usage may go down if Microsoft
stops, but the newsgroup don't disappear.


> (Which will soon
> be re-directed web based "forums")


The web-based forums already exist. However newsgroup traffic is *not*
automatically redirected to them.

Also bear in mind that there exists free downloadable NNTP Bridge
software, which enables you to participate in the Microsoft web forums
via a newsreader. I do 34 of those forums that way.

 

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:02:29 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
<steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:


> Microsoft's stupid move to web forums won't make any difference to me
> either as I find all web forums slow and clumsy relative to NNTP
> groups.


I agree that the move to forums was a mistake on their part.

But bear in mind that there exists free downloadable NNTP Bridge
software, which enables you to participate in the Microsoft web forums
via a newsreader. I do 34 of those forums that way.

 

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:45:19 -0500, "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net>
wrote:

> MANY ISP's stopped carrying Usenet, even before
> Microsoft's decision, but my ISP (Grande Communications, in San Marcos, TX)
> still offers the full range of 100,000+ NGs - including mirrors of all those
> that have been available on the Microsoft public news server
> (msnews.microsoft.com). That server IS being closed by Microsoft, by
> October 2010. It remains to be seen how many - and which - of those MS NGs
> will continue on Usenet after the Microsoft "mother ship" closes.


RC, I'm sure you know this, but let me point out for Sunny, and for
others here, that there are other sources of newsgroups than our ISPs.

That are lots of other available news servers, some free, some for a
charge. Here are three free ones that I use:

aioe.org
news.eternal-september.org
news.albasani.net

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:19:54 -0700, Ken Blake
<kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:02:29 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
><steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> Microsoft's stupid move to web forums won't make any difference to me
>> either as I find all web forums slow and clumsy relative to NNTP
>> groups.
>
>
>I agree that the move to forums was a mistake on their part.
>
>But bear in mind that there exists free downloadable NNTP Bridge
>software, which enables you to participate in the Microsoft web forums
>via a newsreader. I do 34 of those forums that way.

I use Community Bridge to read a few of the forums with Agent. That
works OK but doesn't solve the whole problem.

Steve

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SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com
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[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 1660 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
<steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:19:54 -0700, Ken Blake
> <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:02:29 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
> ><steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Microsoft's stupid move to web forums won't make any difference to me
> >> either as I find all web forums slow and clumsy relative to NNTP
> >> groups.
> >
> >
> >I agree that the move to forums was a mistake on their part.
> >
> >But bear in mind that there exists free downloadable NNTP Bridge
> >software, which enables you to participate in the Microsoft web forums
> >via a newsreader. I do 34 of those forums that way.
>
> I use Community Bridge to read a few of the forums with Agent. That
> works OK but doesn't solve the whole problem.


Very true. There are lots of remaining problems. I only wanted to
point out that using the NNTP bridge made participation much better
and much faster (even though you apparently already knew that, others
here undoubtedly didn't).

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:00:01 -0500, DanS wrote:

>>>
>>>Actually fairly easy:
>>>Load msg from idiot, right click on From (it is in blue),
>>>get drop down list, last choice is "Create filter..". You
>>>do not need to type anything.
>>
>> It's even easier with Agent. Ctrl K
>
> And *even easier* in XNews.....it's just 'k'

I see: lack of control.

(Just a bad pun - please forgive me if you would.)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

 

[johnbee]

< "Slap" <slap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:NHf%n.21271$4B7.3412@newsfe16.iad...

Windows Live Mail works fine as a news reader. It has no restrictions and
looks and feels like the old Express. >

I am a very long way from thinking WLM is like Outlook Express. Reading
through messages by clicking on a list is extremely different from hovering
over a 'Next' button and clicking on it, and that is only for a start.

In case anyone thinks I am arguing for the sake of it, generally this topic
is a crucial one. I say that because ISPs seem to be dumping Usenet
services, they say because of lack of demand. It is already the case that
in order to access newsgroups one has to be pretty determined. Us users
ought to be very helpful and accurate of course but in particular to
prospective newsgroup users because we can be slightly instrumental in
delaying the inevitable end a little.

It is certainly true that WLM is OK as a news reader, in particular that it
is possible to set it up by trying hard, unlike most others which will
defeat many people. What I mean by that was that it was the only one I
managed to get working and I am not all that thick.

 

[Leythos]

In article <MPG.26a7c50a997f48c89896b9@news.eternal-september.org>,
Zaidy036NOSPAM@optonline.net says...
>
> In article <kcd%n.819$Yv.786@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
> wombathouse@yahoo.com.au says...
> >
> > For use on a "Netbook" ?
> > With the demise of Outlook Express in Windows7 is anyone using Windows
> > live Mail as a news reader?
> > My searching so far seems to point that the only news reader capability is
> > restricted to the soon to defunked microsoft news server. (Which will soon
> > be re-directed web based "forums")
>
> Look at the free Gravity available from http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/

I've used Gravity on all version of Windows as well as in shells on Nix
boxes - there is nothing that comes close to the ease and plain text
ability it has - and it's free now.

--
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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[LouB]

Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:02:29 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
> <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> Microsoft's stupid move to web forums won't make any difference to me
>> either as I find all web forums slow and clumsy relative to NNTP
>> groups.
>
>
> I agree that the move to forums was a mistake on their part.
>
> But bear in mind that there exists free downloadable NNTP Bridge
> software, which enables you to participate in the Microsoft web forums
> via a newsreader. I do 34 of those forums that way.

A link please

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:05:42 -0400, LouB <Lou@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:02:29 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
>> <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Microsoft's stupid move to web forums won't make any difference to me
>>> either as I find all web forums slow and clumsy relative to NNTP
>>> groups.
>>
>>
>> I agree that the move to forums was a mistake on their part.
>>
>> But bear in mind that there exists free downloadable NNTP Bridge
>> software, which enables you to participate in the Microsoft web forums
>> via a newsreader. I do 34 of those forums that way.
>
>A link please

http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/

Steve

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[Peter Foldes]

Sunny

You can use Windows Mail and even Outlook Express in Win 7

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html
and
http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx
--
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Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:kcd%n.819$Yv.786@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
> For use on a "Netbook" ?
> With the demise of Outlook Express in Windows7 is anyone using Windows live Mail
> as a news reader?
> My searching so far seems to point that the only news reader capability is
> restricted to the soon to defunked microsoft news server. (Which will soon be
> re-directed web based "forums")
>
>
>
>
>

 

[Aussie Camper]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 200:21 +0100, "johnbee"
<johnbrockbank@com.invalid> wrote:

>
>< "Slap" <slap@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:NHf%n.21271$4B7.3412@newsfe16.iad...
>
>Windows Live Mail works fine as a news reader. It has no restrictions and
>looks and feels like the old Express. >
>
> I am a very long way from thinking WLM is like Outlook Express. Reading
>through messages by clicking on a list is extremely different from hovering
>over a 'Next' button and clicking on it, and that is only for a start.

You can place a next button on the toolbar and then click on it to get
to the next unread message. Just right click in the tool bar section
to customise.
Aussie Camper

 

[Trimble Bracegirdle]

I'm using WLM in Win 7 after years of Outlook Express in XP.
I find WLM is basically almost exactly the same as OE .
You can get general Newsgroup Servers for free i.e..
news.aioe.org
news.eternal-September.org.


You can transfer your Email & Newsgroup accounts & existing messages
from OE to WLM .
This following info from another Net source.

"In OE, go to Tools/Accounts, select which account you want to transfer,
then
click Export. A *.iaf file will be generated. Do this for each account you
want to transfer. Windows Live Mail can import these files to re-create
your account(s). In WLM, go to Tools/Accounts, then click the Import
button. Browse to the .iaf file, and you're done.

Your email messages can be imported into WLM by clicking the File Menu,
Import/Messages. Browse to the folder that contains your .dbx files from
OE, then follow the directions. If you're not sure where your .dbx files
are for OE, then click Tools/Options, select the Maintenance Tab, then click
the Store Folder button. The path can be copied from that window and placed
on the Run line to open the folder. "
(\__/)
(='.' This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your
(")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Johnbee.

> I am a very long way from thinking WLM is like Outlook Express.

WLM is much like OE on the surface. Underneath, there are significant
differences.

> Reading through messages by clicking on a list is extremely different from
> hovering over a 'Next' button and clicking on it, and that is only for a
> start.

Long ago, still in OE (before WLM, even before WM), I found <Ctrl>U to move
to Next Unread Message and <Ctrl>J for Next Unread Folder. When I got a
mouse with programmable buttons, I set them to <Ctrl>U and <Ctrl>J; then I
could move through a newsgroup easily. And when OE added <Ctrl>H to toggle
Show Replies to My Messages, I set the Scroll Wheel to that. ;<)

Sure beats trying to hover over an onscreen button! OR clicking on a list!
Or even stretching my small hand to press the <Ctrl> and <U> keys at the
same time. :>(

Even now, using the Community NNTP Bridge in WLMail, I can read Microsoft's
Forums the same way. Makes the Forums not quite unbearable. (But it sure
doesn't keep me from wishing for the MS newsgroups to continue!)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2010 (15.3.2804.0607) in Win7 Ultimate x64)


"johnbee" wrote in message news:i1l38a$hd4$1@news.eternal-september.org...

< "Slap" <slap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:NHf%n.21271$4B7.3412@newsfe16.iad...

Windows Live Mail works fine as a news reader. It has no restrictions and
looks and feels like the old Express. >

I am a very long way from thinking WLM is like Outlook Express. Reading
through messages by clicking on a list is extremely different from hovering
over a 'Next' button and clicking on it, and that is only for a start.

In case anyone thinks I am arguing for the sake of it, generally this topic
is a crucial one. I say that because ISPs seem to be dumping Usenet
services, they say because of lack of demand. It is already the case that
in order to access newsgroups one has to be pretty determined. Us users
ought to be very helpful and accurate of course but in particular to
prospective newsgroup users because we can be slightly instrumental in
delaying the inevitable end a little.

It is certainly true that WLM is OK as a news reader, in particular that it
is possible to set it up by trying hard, unlike most others which will
defeat many people. What I mean by that was that it was the only one I
managed to get working and I am not all that thick.