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Don
Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
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> Don wrote:
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hn0jru$7ku$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Don wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hn0g42$dpg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hn0cqa$jol$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:Xns9D344D420A8CFthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>>>>>>> "Don" <burnettedclothes@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:t8WdnZyvA_Tpkw7WnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:hmus74$ipr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:hmup6g$t1k$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:29:55 -0500, "Spring Sprung"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <spring.sprung@not.an.address.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a general comment:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 users have a lower malware infection rate than XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - mainly because, now, more malware is spread by social
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineering than by frontal attacks and Windows 7 makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineering more difficult. Microsoft / AMD / Intel have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of the vectors of attack malware writers used to depend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so they rely more on social engineering now - i.e. tricking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run their stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer infection is it still is a serious issue - more so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - as "organized" crime has gotten involved. But I'm not one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation / which means more taxes / then police / which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even more taxes / etc. etc. ... all of which disagrees with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, IMHO, the best way to fight this stuff (other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through hardware / software improvements), is simply to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are aware of and informed as to why it is important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep one's computer(s) uninfected and how to go about it no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter what operating system they are running. An ounce of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevention of worth a pound of cure, as the old saying goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My computers here seem to never get infected. I watch out a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have the security settings of my and my family's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a notch higher, I use the MVP hosts file on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it weeds out innumerable and useless 3rd parties from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> websites we visit and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A tiny bit of effort goes so far has gone a long way. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection rate over the last 14 years nears that of Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one real infection on one computer (mea culpa --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored a Windows 2000 IIS patch from Microsoft back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2001),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a second on XP a few months later (not sure, not my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fault,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and didn't take the time to investigate -- just wiped and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstalled at the suspicion), yet I've run and enjoyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on upwards of 20 computers in the house since 1996 (turning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML & JavaScript in email probably did wonders in those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, that's a fair number of computers with four people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them a lot over 14 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People like Alias etc. may not enjoy such a report, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of what one can do with Windows, if one puts just a tiny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort into looking at security issues -- which should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter which platform -- UNIX / MacOS / Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I completely agree. At the moment I have five computers here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had at least two over each of the past 23 years. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate has always been zero; there's never been a single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gosh two techies can keep their computers clean and expect us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take the leap in logic that their experience is universal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Better make that three pal. Not always been a techie either,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait - have never been infected either!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you don't know anyone who's been infected either, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually that would be correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That, I don't believe, unless you're only in a group like the TV
>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>> 'The Big Bang Theory'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I personally do not care what you or Alias happen to believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that were true, you would ignore us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I do know quite a few folks.
>>>>>>>> Of course, that is not to say some whom I know have gotten
>>>>>>>> themselves infected, perhaps they just felt stupid and did not feel
>>>>>>>> it was something they needed to brag to their friends about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, that must be it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will always be the careless few, that do click on that link
>>>>>>>> they receive in an email from an unknown sender, guaranteeing them
>>>>>>>> they will receive untold riches by following their instructions.
>>>>>>>> Most folks I know however, I think are a little brighter than that
>>>>>>>> and know how to practice safe computing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never heard of drive by malware, eh? You're probably infected and
>>>>>>> don't even know it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL, dream on linux boy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not my dream, sonny. It's your nightmare.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> How is it my nightmare Corey?
>>>
>>> Who's Corey?
>>>
>>> Read this:
>>>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/techexec/2008/0303techexec1.html
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem with malware in my windows 7 system, just like Vista
>>>> before it, just like XP before that, and so on.
>>>
>>> Head, sand.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So do tell, how is it my nightmare? Or is it yours? That your [sic]
>>>> refuted, that you are wrong hmm?
>>>
>>> Head, sand.
>>>
>>>> Is that how you prey on older not so technical savvy folks - you tell
>>>> them they are infected and don't know it?
>>>
>>> No. Is this your idea of refutation?
>>>
>>>> Kind of like some of these sites that give a pop up saying they are
>>>> probably infected, download their software or do an online scan, in
>>>> order to purchase something they have absolutely no need for? Do you
>>>> convince them of this, in order for them to pay you to install udungtu
>>>> [sic] on their system?
>>>
>>> Guessing isn't one of your strong points, is it?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The vast majority of malware, is installed by the infected user - by
>>>> executing a file, clicking an unknown link, falling for the trap.
>>>
>>> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/how-to-survive-a-drive-by-malware-attack-616431
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Damn your more stupid than I thought.
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's all you got, an insult? Figures.
>
> --
> Alias
Just a page out of your book Corey...
--
Don
news:hn1f1e$uh0$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Don wrote:
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hn0jru$7ku$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Don wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>> news:hn0g42$dpg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hn0cqa$jol$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:Xns9D344D420A8CFthisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>>>>>>> "Don" <burnettedclothes@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:t8WdnZyvA_Tpkw7WnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:hmus74$ipr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:hmup6g$t1k$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:29:55 -0500, "Spring Sprung"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <spring.sprung@not.an.address.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a general comment:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 users have a lower malware infection rate than XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - mainly because, now, more malware is spread by social
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineering than by frontal attacks and Windows 7 makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineering more difficult. Microsoft / AMD / Intel have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of the vectors of attack malware writers used to depend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so they rely more on social engineering now - i.e. tricking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run their stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer infection is it still is a serious issue - more so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - as "organized" crime has gotten involved. But I'm not one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation / which means more taxes / then police / which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even more taxes / etc. etc. ... all of which disagrees with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, IMHO, the best way to fight this stuff (other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through hardware / software improvements), is simply to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are aware of and informed as to why it is important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep one's computer(s) uninfected and how to go about it no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter what operating system they are running. An ounce of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevention of worth a pound of cure, as the old saying goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My computers here seem to never get infected. I watch out a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have the security settings of my and my family's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a notch higher, I use the MVP hosts file on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it weeds out innumerable and useless 3rd parties from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> websites we visit and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A tiny bit of effort goes so far has gone a long way. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection rate over the last 14 years nears that of Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one real infection on one computer (mea culpa --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored a Windows 2000 IIS patch from Microsoft back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2001),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a second on XP a few months later (not sure, not my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fault,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and didn't take the time to investigate -- just wiped and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstalled at the suspicion), yet I've run and enjoyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on upwards of 20 computers in the house since 1996 (turning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML & JavaScript in email probably did wonders in those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, that's a fair number of computers with four people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them a lot over 14 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People like Alias etc. may not enjoy such a report, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of what one can do with Windows, if one puts just a tiny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort into looking at security issues -- which should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter which platform -- UNIX / MacOS / Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I completely agree. At the moment I have five computers here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had at least two over each of the past 23 years. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate has always been zero; there's never been a single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gosh two techies can keep their computers clean and expect us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take the leap in logic that their experience is universal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Better make that three pal. Not always been a techie either,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait - have never been infected either!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you don't know anyone who's been infected either, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually that would be correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That, I don't believe, unless you're only in a group like the TV
>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>> 'The Big Bang Theory'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I personally do not care what you or Alias happen to believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that were true, you would ignore us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I do know quite a few folks.
>>>>>>>> Of course, that is not to say some whom I know have gotten
>>>>>>>> themselves infected, perhaps they just felt stupid and did not feel
>>>>>>>> it was something they needed to brag to their friends about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, that must be it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will always be the careless few, that do click on that link
>>>>>>>> they receive in an email from an unknown sender, guaranteeing them
>>>>>>>> they will receive untold riches by following their instructions.
>>>>>>>> Most folks I know however, I think are a little brighter than that
>>>>>>>> and know how to practice safe computing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never heard of drive by malware, eh? You're probably infected and
>>>>>>> don't even know it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL, dream on linux boy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not my dream, sonny. It's your nightmare.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> How is it my nightmare Corey?
>>>
>>> Who's Corey?
>>>
>>> Read this:
>>>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/techexec/2008/0303techexec1.html
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem with malware in my windows 7 system, just like Vista
>>>> before it, just like XP before that, and so on.
>>>
>>> Head, sand.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So do tell, how is it my nightmare? Or is it yours? That your [sic]
>>>> refuted, that you are wrong hmm?
>>>
>>> Head, sand.
>>>
>>>> Is that how you prey on older not so technical savvy folks - you tell
>>>> them they are infected and don't know it?
>>>
>>> No. Is this your idea of refutation?
>>>
>>>> Kind of like some of these sites that give a pop up saying they are
>>>> probably infected, download their software or do an online scan, in
>>>> order to purchase something they have absolutely no need for? Do you
>>>> convince them of this, in order for them to pay you to install udungtu
>>>> [sic] on their system?
>>>
>>> Guessing isn't one of your strong points, is it?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The vast majority of malware, is installed by the infected user - by
>>>> executing a file, clicking an unknown link, falling for the trap.
>>>
>>> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/how-to-survive-a-drive-by-malware-attack-616431
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Damn your more stupid than I thought.
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's all you got, an insult? Figures.
>
> --
> Alias
Just a page out of your book Corey...
--
Don
