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MS Wants a Net Tax to Combat Malware.

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SC Tom

Flightless Bird
"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9D325542921A6thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in
> news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164438/Microsoft_s_security_chi
>> ef_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>>
>> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
>> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
>> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a
>> vulnerable system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers ...
>> NOT!

>
> Here's a funny statement.........
>
> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're not
> just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone around you,"
> he said."
>
> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>


Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting your
computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run. It's the same thing as
letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're responsible for
anyone/anything he hits.
--
SC Tom
 
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DanS

Flightless Bird
>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>
>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>> around you," he said."
>>
>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>

>
> Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting
> your computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run.


If you *knowingly* have malware on your PC, you are allowing it to run, is
the only statement I'll agree with.

> It's the
> same thing as letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're
> responsible for anyone/anything he hits.


No. It's not the same thing, and not comparable in *any* way.
 
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ray

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:12:57 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D325542921A6thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in
>> news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164438/

Microsoft_s_security_chi
>>> ef_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>>>
>>> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
>>> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
>>> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a
>>> vulnerable system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers ...
>>> NOT!

>>
>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>
>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>> around you," he said."
>>
>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>
>>

> Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting
> your computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run. It's the same
> thing as letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're
> responsible for anyone/anything he hits.


B.S. - if you're running a secure OS, you don't have to do anything.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:22:26 -0600, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:

> Here's a funny statement.........
>
> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're not
> just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone around you,"
> he said."
>
> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!




I don't see it as a "hoot" at all. There are two ways to allow
something: one way is by an action, and the other way is by *lack* of
an action to prevent it. The writer of the above sentence obviously
means the second way.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
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Bill Yanaire, ESQ

Flightless Bird
"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:7vcmquFe9sU16@mid.individual.net...
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:12:57 -0500, SC Tom wrote:
>
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D325542921A6thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in
>>> news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164438/

> Microsoft_s_security_chi
>>>> ef_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>>>>
>>>> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
>>>> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
>>>> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a
>>>> vulnerable system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers ...
>>>> NOT!
>>>
>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>
>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>> around you," he said."
>>>
>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>>
>>>

>> Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting
>> your computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run. It's the same
>> thing as letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're
>> responsible for anyone/anything he hits.

>
> B.S. - if you're running a secure OS, you don't have to do anything.


If you're running a Linux OS, you CAN'T do anything.
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>
>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:7vcmquFe9sU16@mid.individual.net...
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:12:57 -0500, SC Tom wrote:
>>
>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D325542921A6thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in
>>>> news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164438/

>> Microsoft_s_security_chi
>>>>> ef_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>>>>>
>>>>> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
>>>>> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
>>>>> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a
>>>>> vulnerable system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers ...
>>>>> NOT!
>>>>
>>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>>
>>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>>> around you," he said."
>>>>
>>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting
>>> your computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run. It's the same
>>> thing as letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're
>>> responsible for anyone/anything he hits.

>>
>> B.S. - if you're running a secure OS, you don't have to do anything.

>
> If you're running a Linux OS, you CAN'T do anything.
>
>
>


You mean that *you* can't do anything. Right now I am downloading some
music, posting this message and IMing with three people while my printer
is printing out twenty invoices that total 7.250 Eur. With your Windows
box, you are doing what you always do: lie on Usenet.

--
Alias
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
Microsoft's security chief suggests 'Net tax to clean computers

On 3/5/2010 4:05 AM, Alias, the lying POS wrote:
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ity_chief_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>
>
> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a vulnerable
> system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers ... NOT!

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Read the headline of the article you stupid POS.
Caught you lying again...as usual.
Oops!
 
S

Spring Sprung

Flightless Bird
No. Governments, at least in the western hemisphere, get plenty of tax
dollars out of the general population already, too much in many cases. And
they waste too much already. No, I wouldn't support such a thing. As it it,
here, if we start paying taxes at January 1, we don't actually start earning
until sometime in June.




"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ity_chief_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>
> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of going
> after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a vulnerable system.
> Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers ... NOT!
> --
> Alias
 
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ray

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:59:03 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:

> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:7vcmquFe9sU16@mid.individual.net...
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:12:57 -0500, SC Tom wrote:
>>
>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D325542921A6thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in
>>>> news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164438/

>> Microsoft_s_security_chi
>>>>> ef_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>>>>>
>>>>> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
>>>>> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
>>>>> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a
>>>>> vulnerable system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers
>>>>> ... NOT!
>>>>
>>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>>
>>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>>> around you," he said."
>>>>
>>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting
>>> your computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run. It's the
>>> same thing as letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're
>>> responsible for anyone/anything he hits.

>>
>> B.S. - if you're running a secure OS, you don't have to do anything.

>
> If you're running a Linux OS, you CAN'T do anything.


Don't be silly.
 
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DanS

Flightless Bird
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
news:v892p5lh75kkgdsbliglhh9k319i15qe7l@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:22:26 -0600, DanS
> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>
>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>
>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>> around you," he said."
>>
>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!

>
> I don't see it as a "hoot" at all. There are two ways to allow
> something: one way is by an action, and the other way is by *lack* of
> an action to prevent it. The writer of the above sentence obviously
> means the second way.


Nothing is obvious. You, nor anyone else can say what the write *really*
meant. The statement must be taken at face value.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
ray wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:59:03 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> news:7vcmquFe9sU16@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:12:57 -0500, SC Tom wrote:
>>>
>>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns9D325542921A6thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in
>>>>> news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164438/
>>> Microsoft_s_security_chi
>>>>>> ef_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
>>>>>> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
>>>>>> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a
>>>>>> vulnerable system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers
>>>>>> ... NOT!
>>>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>>>
>>>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>>>> around you," he said."
>>>>>
>>>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting
>>>> your computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run. It's the
>>>> same thing as letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're
>>>> responsible for anyone/anything he hits.
>>> B.S. - if you're running a secure OS, you don't have to do anything.

>> If you're running a Linux OS, you CAN'T do anything.

>
> Don't be silly.


That's all he knows how to do.

--
Alias
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 3/5/2010 9:32 AM, Alias wrote:
> ray wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:59:03 -0800, Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7vcmquFe9sU16@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:12:57 -0500, SC Tom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns9D325542921A6thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in
>>>>>> news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164438/
>>>> Microsoft_s_security_chi
>>>>>>> ef_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
>>>>>>> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
>>>>>>> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a
>>>>>>> vulnerable system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers
>>>>>>> ... NOT!
>>>>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>>>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>>>>> around you," he said."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting
>>>>> your computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run. It's the
>>>>> same thing as letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're
>>>>> responsible for anyone/anything he hits.
>>>> B.S. - if you're running a secure OS, you don't have to do anything.
>>> If you're running a Linux OS, you CAN'T do anything.

>>
>> Don't be silly.

>
> That's all he knows how to do.
>

"silly" is you posting your crap in this ng.
 
C

Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:28:22 -0600, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:

>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
>news:v892p5lh75kkgdsbliglhh9k319i15qe7l@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:22:26 -0600, DanS
>> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>
>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>> around you," he said."
>>>
>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!

>>
>> I don't see it as a "hoot" at all. There are two ways to allow
>> something: one way is by an action, and the other way is by *lack* of
>> an action to prevent it. The writer of the above sentence obviously
>> means the second way.

>
>Nothing is obvious. You, nor anyone else can say what the write *really*
>meant. The statement must be taken at face value.


*shrug* I thought it was obvious, too.
 
D

DanS

Flightless Bird
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote in
news:v5j2p5h1fpa3bgbonov6ldtkja1qi80d7s@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:28:22 -0600, DanS
> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>
>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
>>news:v892p5lh75kkgdsbliglhh9k319i15qe7l@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:22:26 -0600, DanS
>>> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>>
>>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>>> around you," he said."
>>>>
>>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>>
>>> I don't see it as a "hoot" at all. There are two ways to allow
>>> something: one way is by an action, and the other way is by *lack* of
>>> an action to prevent it. The writer of the above sentence obviously
>>> means the second way.

>>
>>Nothing is obvious. You, nor anyone else can say what the write

*really*
>>meant. The statement must be taken at face value.

>
> *shrug* I thought it was obvious, too.


Well, you'd have to point out the context that indicates that then,
because that's not how it reads, to me, nor the 4 other people I had read
the article prior to asking them what that meant.

Let's look at it this way......

Doing nothing to prevent it doesn't mean you *are* infected, or are going
to get infected. It simply means, you are not protecting yourself.

I haven't had a flu shot in 20 years...meaning I am doing nothing to
protect myself against it, yet I haven't gotten the flu. If I had it, and
knew I had it, THEN it could affect others around me.
 
C

Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:48:50 -0600, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:

>Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote in
>news:v5j2p5h1fpa3bgbonov6ldtkja1qi80d7s@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:28:22 -0600, DanS
>> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>>
>>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
>>>news:v892p5lh75kkgdsbliglhh9k319i15qe7l@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:22:26 -0600, DanS
>>>> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>>>
>>>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>>>> around you," he said."
>>>>>
>>>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>>>
>>>> I don't see it as a "hoot" at all. There are two ways to allow
>>>> something: one way is by an action, and the other way is by *lack* of
>>>> an action to prevent it. The writer of the above sentence obviously
>>>> means the second way.
>>>
>>>Nothing is obvious. You, nor anyone else can say what the write

>*really*
>>>meant. The statement must be taken at face value.

>>
>> *shrug* I thought it was obvious, too.

>
>Well, you'd have to point out the context that indicates that then,
>because that's not how it reads, to me, nor the 4 other people I had read
>the article prior to asking them what that meant.


I'm sorry, but I don't know where to start. There are no linguistic
tricks or obscure words used in that sentence, so I'm not at all sure
why it's giving you and your 4 friends the least bit of trouble. Don't
try to read between the lines, just read it for what it is. It becomes
very straightforward then.

The point the author is making is that when you run an infected
system, you not only put yourself at risk, you also put at risk others
around you. It's a simple, common sense, concept, when you think about
it.
 
S

Spring Sprung

Flightless Bird
Just a general comment:

Windows 7 users have a lower malware infection rate than XP users - mainly
because, now, more malware is spread by social engineering than by frontal
attacks and Windows 7 makes social engineering more difficult. Microsoft /
AMD / Intel have closed many of the vectors of attack malware writers used
to depend on, so they rely more on social engineering now - i.e. tricking
users to run their stuff.

Computer infection is it still is a serious issue - more so even - as
"organized" crime has gotten involved. But I'm not one for legislation /
which means more taxes / then police / which means even more taxes / etc.
etc. ... all of which disagrees with me.

Instead, IMHO, the best way to fight this stuff (other than through hardware
/ software improvements), is simply to make sure people are aware of and
informed as to why it is important to keep one's computer(s) uninfected and
how to go about it no matter what operating system they are running. An
ounce of prevention of worth a pound of cure, as the old saying goes.

My computers here seem to never get infected. I watch out a bit and have the
security settings of my and my family's software just a notch higher, I use
the MVP hosts file on the machines and it weeds out innumerable and useless
3rd parties from the websites we visit and so on.

A tiny bit of effort goes so far has gone a long way. My infection rate over
the last 14 years nears that of Apple uses - one real infection on one
computer (mea culpa -- deliberately ignored a Windows 2000 IIS patch from
Microsoft back in 2001), maybe a second on XP a few months later (not sure,
not my fault, and didn't take the time to investigate -- just wiped and
reinstalled at the suspicion), yet I've run and enjoyed Windows on upwards
of 20 computers in the house since 1996 (turning off HTML & JavaScript in
email probably did wonders in those days lol).

Anyway, that's a fair number of computers with four people using them a lot
over 14 years.

People like Alias etc. may not enjoy such a report, but it speaks of what
one can do with Windows, if one puts just a tiny little effort into looking
at security issues -- which should be done no matter which platform -- UNIX
/ MacOS / Windows.



"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:7vcmquFe9sU16@mid.individual.net...
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:12:57 -0500, SC Tom wrote:
>
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D325542921A6thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in
>>> news:hmqs1l$tsq$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9164438/

> Microsoft_s_security_chi
>>>> ef_suggests_Net_tax_to_clean_computers
>>>>
>>>> First Microsoft designs a system where most programs have to use the
>>>> registry/kernel. Now they want everyone to pay a tax for the cost of
>>>> going after the hackers who are merely taking advantage of a
>>>> vulnerable system. Yeah, Microsoft just loves its paying customers ...
>>>> NOT!
>>>
>>> Here's a funny statement.........
>>>
>>> "When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're
>>> not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone
>>> around you," he said."
>>>
>>> When you *allow* malware to run !!! Thats a hoot !!!
>>>
>>>

>> Well, if you're not doing anything to prevent malware from infecting
>> your computer, you are, in essence, *allowing* it to run. It's the same
>> thing as letting someone obviously drunk borrow your car. You're
>> responsible for anyone/anything he hits.

>
> B.S. - if you're running a secure OS, you don't have to do anything.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:29:55 -0500, "Spring Sprung"
<spring.sprung@not.an.address.net> wrote:

> Just a general comment:
>
> Windows 7 users have a lower malware infection rate than XP users - mainly
> because, now, more malware is spread by social engineering than by frontal
> attacks and Windows 7 makes social engineering more difficult. Microsoft /
> AMD / Intel have closed many of the vectors of attack malware writers used
> to depend on, so they rely more on social engineering now - i.e. tricking
> users to run their stuff.
>
> Computer infection is it still is a serious issue - more so even - as
> "organized" crime has gotten involved. But I'm not one for legislation /
> which means more taxes / then police / which means even more taxes / etc.
> etc. ... all of which disagrees with me.
>
> Instead, IMHO, the best way to fight this stuff (other than through hardware
> / software improvements), is simply to make sure people are aware of and
> informed as to why it is important to keep one's computer(s) uninfected and
> how to go about it no matter what operating system they are running. An
> ounce of prevention of worth a pound of cure, as the old saying goes.
>
> My computers here seem to never get infected. I watch out a bit and have the
> security settings of my and my family's software just a notch higher, I use
> the MVP hosts file on the machines and it weeds out innumerable and useless
> 3rd parties from the websites we visit and so on.
>
> A tiny bit of effort goes so far has gone a long way. My infection rate over
> the last 14 years nears that of Apple uses - one real infection on one
> computer (mea culpa -- deliberately ignored a Windows 2000 IIS patch from
> Microsoft back in 2001), maybe a second on XP a few months later (not sure,
> not my fault, and didn't take the time to investigate -- just wiped and
> reinstalled at the suspicion), yet I've run and enjoyed Windows on upwards
> of 20 computers in the house since 1996 (turning off HTML & JavaScript in
> email probably did wonders in those days lol).
>
> Anyway, that's a fair number of computers with four people using them a lot
> over 14 years.
>
> People like Alias etc. may not enjoy such a report, but it speaks of what
> one can do with Windows, if one puts just a tiny little effort into looking
> at security issues -- which should be done no matter which platform -- UNIX
> / MacOS / Windows.




I completely agree. At the moment I have five computers here, and I've
had at least two over each of the past 23 years. My infection rate has
always been zero; there's never been a single infection.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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Flightless Bird
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:07:21 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:29:55 -0500, "Spring Sprung"
> <spring.sprung@not.an.address.net> wrote:
>
>> Just a general comment:
>>
>> Windows 7 users have a lower malware infection rate than XP users -
>> mainly because, now, more malware is spread by social engineering than
>> by frontal attacks and Windows 7 makes social engineering more
>> difficult. Microsoft / AMD / Intel have closed many of the vectors of
>> attack malware writers used to depend on, so they rely more on social
>> engineering now - i.e. tricking users to run their stuff.
>>
>> Computer infection is it still is a serious issue - more so even - as
>> "organized" crime has gotten involved. But I'm not one for legislation
>> / which means more taxes / then police / which means even more taxes /
>> etc. etc. ... all of which disagrees with me.
>>
>> Instead, IMHO, the best way to fight this stuff (other than through
>> hardware / software improvements), is simply to make sure people are
>> aware of and informed as to why it is important to keep one's
>> computer(s) uninfected and how to go about it no matter what operating
>> system they are running. An ounce of prevention of worth a pound of
>> cure, as the old saying goes.
>>
>> My computers here seem to never get infected. I watch out a bit and
>> have the security settings of my and my family's software just a notch
>> higher, I use the MVP hosts file on the machines and it weeds out
>> innumerable and useless 3rd parties from the websites we visit and so
>> on.
>>
>> A tiny bit of effort goes so far has gone a long way. My infection rate
>> over the last 14 years nears that of Apple uses - one real infection on
>> one computer (mea culpa -- deliberately ignored a Windows 2000 IIS
>> patch from Microsoft back in 2001), maybe a second on XP a few months
>> later (not sure, not my fault, and didn't take the time to investigate
>> -- just wiped and reinstalled at the suspicion), yet I've run and
>> enjoyed Windows on upwards of 20 computers in the house since 1996
>> (turning off HTML & JavaScript in email probably did wonders in those
>> days lol).
>>
>> Anyway, that's a fair number of computers with four people using them a
>> lot over 14 years.
>>
>> People like Alias etc. may not enjoy such a report, but it speaks of
>> what one can do with Windows, if one puts just a tiny little effort
>> into looking at security issues -- which should be done no matter which
>> platform -- UNIX / MacOS / Windows.

>
>
>
> I completely agree. At the moment I have five computers here, and I've
> had at least two over each of the past 23 years. My infection rate has
> always been zero; there's never been a single infection.


My experience as well. Currently have six home computers on 24/7/365 -
zero infections. Of course, I don't do anything to prevent it either -
don't have to.
 
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Flightless Bird
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:29:55 -0500, "Spring Sprung"
> <spring.sprung@not.an.address.net> wrote:
>
>> Just a general comment:
>>
>> Windows 7 users have a lower malware infection rate than XP users - mainly
>> because, now, more malware is spread by social engineering than by frontal
>> attacks and Windows 7 makes social engineering more difficult. Microsoft /
>> AMD / Intel have closed many of the vectors of attack malware writers used
>> to depend on, so they rely more on social engineering now - i.e. tricking
>> users to run their stuff.
>>
>> Computer infection is it still is a serious issue - more so even - as
>> "organized" crime has gotten involved. But I'm not one for legislation /
>> which means more taxes / then police / which means even more taxes / etc.
>> etc. ... all of which disagrees with me.
>>
>> Instead, IMHO, the best way to fight this stuff (other than through hardware
>> / software improvements), is simply to make sure people are aware of and
>> informed as to why it is important to keep one's computer(s) uninfected and
>> how to go about it no matter what operating system they are running. An
>> ounce of prevention of worth a pound of cure, as the old saying goes.
>>
>> My computers here seem to never get infected. I watch out a bit and have the
>> security settings of my and my family's software just a notch higher, I use
>> the MVP hosts file on the machines and it weeds out innumerable and useless
>> 3rd parties from the websites we visit and so on.
>>
>> A tiny bit of effort goes so far has gone a long way. My infection rate over
>> the last 14 years nears that of Apple uses - one real infection on one
>> computer (mea culpa -- deliberately ignored a Windows 2000 IIS patch from
>> Microsoft back in 2001), maybe a second on XP a few months later (not sure,
>> not my fault, and didn't take the time to investigate -- just wiped and
>> reinstalled at the suspicion), yet I've run and enjoyed Windows on upwards
>> of 20 computers in the house since 1996 (turning off HTML & JavaScript in
>> email probably did wonders in those days lol).
>>
>> Anyway, that's a fair number of computers with four people using them a lot
>> over 14 years.
>>
>> People like Alias etc. may not enjoy such a report, but it speaks of what
>> one can do with Windows, if one puts just a tiny little effort into looking
>> at security issues -- which should be done no matter which platform -- UNIX
>> / MacOS / Windows.

>
>
>
> I completely agree. At the moment I have five computers here, and I've
> had at least two over each of the past 23 years. My infection rate has
> always been zero; there's never been a single infection.
>
>


Gosh two techies can keep their computers clean and expect us to take
the leap in logic that their experience is universal.

--
Alias
 
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