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Inside Windows 7 User Account Control

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Frank, Sep 19, 2010.

  1. Valorie *~~

    Valorie *~~ Flightless Bird

    "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx




    Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get complete
    control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything on this PC
    and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????
     
  2. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    > "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >
    >
    >
    > Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    > complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    > on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????


    So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
    Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
    "...is that correct?
    What exactly is it that you're trying to do?
     
  3. EWyatt

    EWyatt Flightless Bird

    On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    > "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >
    >
    >
    > Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    > complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    > on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????


    Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
    to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring, etc.
    Idiots.

    In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
    is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.

    RG
     
  4. Ips-Switch

    Ips-Switch Flightless Bird

    "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
    > On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????

    >
    > So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
    > Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything "...is
    > that correct?
    > What exactly is it that you're trying to do?


    We're trying to install and use WindowsMail on the new PC with W-7.

    Where did you find a "computer management?" in W- 7 Home Premium?
     
  5. Ips-Switch

    Ips-Switch Flightless Bird

    "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
    > On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????

    >
    > So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
    > Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything "...is
    > that correct?
    > What exactly is it that you're trying to do?


    Oh... yes I am set up as the Administrator in User Accounts.
     
  6. Valorie *~~

    Valorie *~~ Flightless Bird

    "EWyatt" <ewyatt@excite.com> wrote in message
    news:i6tvt9$siq$1@news.datemas.de...
    > On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????

    >
    > Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult to
    > use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring, etc.
    > Idiots.


    It's driving us crazy. It's so much more complicated than Vista was. I
    tried to understand how to gain control with properties/ ect but then one
    small window opens after another and who but a MS tech would know the
    terminology?

    >
    > In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate is
    > Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.


    There has to be someone here who can put it all in simple English for
    regular non-techie people. I can assure you this is the last MS product I'm
    buying. I'll switch over to Apple. It's well over 40 hours spent trying to
    get W-7 up and running with a working news/mail client.

    We tried adding some software and it wouldn't open after installing it, even
    with the so-called backward compatibility nonsense. Anyone who buys W-7
    64-bit must be crazy or unaware of what they're in for.

    >
    > RG
    >
     
  7. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 9/16/2010 2:31 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
    > "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
    > news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
    >> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
    >>> Permission??????????

    >>
    >> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
    >> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
    >> "...is that correct?
    >> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?

    >
    > We're trying to install and use WindowsMail on the new PC with W-7.


    So which is it

    Windows Mail
    or
    Windows Live Mail
    >
    > Where did you find a "computer management?" in W- 7 Home Premium?


    I don't have Home Premium but you can try typing in the run command:

    compmgmt.msc
     
  8. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 9/16/2010 2:33 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
    > "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
    > news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
    >> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
    >>> Permission??????????

    >>
    >> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
    >> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
    >> "...is that correct?
    >> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?

    >
    > Oh... yes I am set up as the Administrator in User Accounts.
    >
    >

    You made an Administrator account in User Accounts or did you enable the
    real Administrator account in User Accounts?

    If yes, why are you running as Administrator?
     
  9. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 9/16/2010 2:42 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    > "EWyatt" <ewyatt@excite.com> wrote in message
    > news:i6tvt9$siq$1@news.datemas.de...
    >> On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
    >>> Permission??????????

    >>
    >> Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
    >> to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring,
    >> etc. Idiots.

    >
    > It's driving us crazy. It's so much more complicated than Vista was. I
    > tried to understand how to gain control with properties/ ect but then
    > one small window opens after another and who but a MS tech would know
    > the terminology?
    >
    >>
    >> In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
    >> is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.

    >
    > There has to be someone here who can put it all in simple English for
    > regular non-techie people. I can assure you this is the last MS product
    > I'm buying. I'll switch over to Apple. It's well over 40 hours spent
    > trying to get W-7 up and running with a working news/mail client.
    >
    > We tried adding some software and it wouldn't open after installing it,
    > even with the so-called backward compatibility nonsense. Anyone who buys
    > W-7 64-bit must be crazy or unaware of what they're in for.


    I've been running multiple copies of W 7/64 for years without any problems.
    You have yet to post in detail exactly what your problem is so it's
    impossible to actually help you solve whatever it is that's not working.
    You've also changed your name and you're seemingly confusing WM and WLM.


    >
    >>
    >> RG
    >>

    >
    >
     
  10. Valorie *~~

    Valorie *~~ Flightless Bird

  11. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:4c9297cc@news.x-privat.org...
    > "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >
    >
    > I saw that but no one here is a PC tech or geek. Any idea how to turn it
    > off in W-7 like I did in Vista?


    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+turn+off+uac+in+windows+7

    It's not that hard. I've had it off since first installing Win7, and have
    not regretted it one bit.
    --
    SC Tom
    -There's no such thing as TMI when asking for tech support.
     
  12. Valorie *~~

    Valorie *~~ Flightless Bird

    "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c9290cd@news.x-privat.org...
    > On 9/16/2010 2:31 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
    >> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
    >> news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
    >>> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
    >>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
    >>>> Permission??????????
    >>>
    >>> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
    >>> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
    >>> "...is that correct?
    >>> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?

    >>
    >> We're trying to install and use WindowsMail on the new PC with W-7.

    >
    > So which is it
    >
    > Windows Mail
    > or
    > Windows Live Mail
    >>
    >> Where did you find a "computer management?" in W- 7 Home Premium?

    >
    > I don't have Home Premium but you can try typing in the run command:
    >
    > compmgmt.msc


    There is no place there called: "Computer Management/Local
    Users and Groups/Users/Administrator" on my W-7 PC.
    Nothing to do with users or Admins.
    There is computer management window.
     
  13. Valorie *~~

    Valorie *~~ Flightless Bird

    "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c92918b@news.x-privat.org...
    > On 9/16/2010 2:33 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
    >> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
    >> news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
    >>> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
    >>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
    >>>> Permission??????????
    >>>
    >>> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
    >>> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
    >>> "...is that correct?
    >>> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?

    >>
    >> Oh... yes I am set up as the Administrator in User Accounts.
    >>
    >>


    > You made an Administrator account in User Accounts or did you enable the
    > real Administrator account in User Accounts?


    I don't know. i didn't set it up. When I looked I see it as Minnie
    Administrator. Minnie is the name of the W-7 PC. The Account Type is
    Administrator.

    > If yes, why are you running as Administrator?


    What or who should I be running as? ?!?!?!?
     
  14. Valorie *~~

    Valorie *~~ Flightless Bird

    "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c929600@news.x-privat.org...
    > On 9/16/2010 2:42 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >> "EWyatt" <ewyatt@excite.com> wrote in message
    >> news:i6tvt9$siq$1@news.datemas.de...
    >>> On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
    >>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
    >>>> Permission??????????
    >>>
    >>> Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
    >>> to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring,
    >>> etc. Idiots.

    >>
    >> It's driving us crazy. It's so much more complicated than Vista was. I
    >> tried to understand how to gain control with properties/ ect but then
    >> one small window opens after another and who but a MS tech would know
    >> the terminology?
    >>
    >>>
    >>> In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
    >>> is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.

    >>
    >> There has to be someone here who can put it all in simple English for
    >> regular non-techie people. I can assure you this is the last MS product
    >> I'm buying. I'll switch over to Apple. It's well over 40 hours spent
    >> trying to get W-7 up and running with a working news/mail client.
    >>
    >> We tried adding some software and it wouldn't open after installing it,
    >> even with the so-called backward compatibility nonsense. Anyone who buys
    >> W-7 64-bit must be crazy or unaware of what they're in for.

    >
    > I've been running multiple copies of W 7/64 for years without any
    > problems.
    > You have yet to post in detail exactly what your problem is so it's
    > impossible to actually help you solve whatever it is that's not working.
    > You've also changed your name and you're seemingly confusing WM and WLM.


    Let me explain, we're trying to move WM from Vista to the new W-7 PC because
    I despise WLM. We moved all the files, followed the info online, but it
    wont open as WM. WLM now has all the files from WM from the Vista PC... but
    still looks and works the same. Putting the files in a seperate folder
    didn't work either. WM will not open on the W-7 machine. Yet I see so many
    people on the forums who hated WLM who moved WM to their W-7 PCs and it
    worked.

    >
    >
    >>
    >>>
    >>> RG
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  15. Valorie *~~

    Valorie *~~ Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    news:i6u5pu$3dm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:4c9297cc@news.x-privat.org...
    >> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >>
    >>
    >> I saw that but no one here is a PC tech or geek. Any idea how to turn it
    >> off in W-7 like I did in Vista?

    >
    > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+turn+off+uac+in+windows+7


    Got it. Found one. It worked. Thank you.

    >
    > It's not that hard. I've had it off since first installing Win7, and have
    > not regretted it one bit.
    > --
    > SC Tom
    > -There's no such thing as TMI when asking for tech support.
    >
     
  16. Allen

    Allen Flightless Bird

    EWyatt wrote:
    > On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
    >> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????

    >
    > Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
    > to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring, etc.
    > Idiots.
    >
    > In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
    > is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.
    >
    > RG
    >

    Reminds me of my banking career. I learned enough about IBM mainframes
    so that It knew Assembler, COBOL, Fortran and a few other languages.
    Part of my job was to serve as a go-between the users (bankers) and
    programmers. I told people that I was trilingual--I spoke Banker,
    Programmer and English, three separate languages.
    Allen
     
  17. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 9/16/2010 9:26 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    > "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
    > news:4c92918b@news.x-privat.org...
    >> On 9/16/2010 2:33 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
    >>> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
    >>> news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >>>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do
    >>>>> anything
    >>>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
    >>>>> Permission??????????
    >>>>
    >>>> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
    >>>> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
    >>>> "...is that correct?
    >>>> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?
    >>>
    >>> Oh... yes I am set up as the Administrator in User Accounts.
    >>>
    >>>

    >
    >> You made an Administrator account in User Accounts or did you enable
    >> the real Administrator account in User Accounts?

    >
    > I don't know. i didn't set it up. When I looked I see it as Minnie
    > Administrator. Minnie is the name of the W-7 PC. The Account Type is
    > Administrator.
    >
    >> If yes, why are you running as Administrator?

    >
    > What or who should I be running as? ?!?!?!?
    >
    >
    >
    >

    As a standard user, not as Administrator.
     
  18. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 9/16/2010 9:30 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    > "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
    > news:4c929600@news.x-privat.org...
    >> On 9/16/2010 2:42 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>> "EWyatt" <ewyatt@excite.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:i6tvt9$siq$1@news.datemas.de...
    >>>> On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
    >>>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
    >>>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do
    >>>>> anything
    >>>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
    >>>>> Permission??????????
    >>>>
    >>>> Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
    >>>> to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring,
    >>>> etc. Idiots.
    >>>
    >>> It's driving us crazy. It's so much more complicated than Vista was. I
    >>> tried to understand how to gain control with properties/ ect but then
    >>> one small window opens after another and who but a MS tech would know
    >>> the terminology?
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
    >>>> is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.
    >>>
    >>> There has to be someone here who can put it all in simple English for
    >>> regular non-techie people. I can assure you this is the last MS product
    >>> I'm buying. I'll switch over to Apple. It's well over 40 hours spent
    >>> trying to get W-7 up and running with a working news/mail client.
    >>>
    >>> We tried adding some software and it wouldn't open after installing it,
    >>> even with the so-called backward compatibility nonsense. Anyone who buys
    >>> W-7 64-bit must be crazy or unaware of what they're in for.

    >>
    >> I've been running multiple copies of W 7/64 for years without any
    >> problems.
    >> You have yet to post in detail exactly what your problem is so it's
    >> impossible to actually help you solve whatever it is that's not
    >> working. You've also changed your name and you're seemingly confusing
    >> WM and WLM.

    >
    > Let me explain, we're trying to move WM from Vista to the new W-7 PC
    > because I despise WLM. We moved all the files, followed the info online,
    > but it wont open as WM. WLM now has all the files from WM from the Vista
    > PC... but still looks and works the same. Putting the files in a
    > seperate folder didn't work either. WM will not open on the W-7 machine.
    > Yet I see so many people on the forums who hated WLM who moved WM to
    > their W-7 PCs and it worked.
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> RG
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>

    >
    >

    WM is only for Vista. Use WLM for W 7. I don't see where "many people"
    are complaining about WLM. It works just fine as far as I'm concerned.
     
  19. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:29:15 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:

    > "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
    >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx

    >
    >
    >
    > Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get complete
    > control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything on this PC
    > and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????


    Just to be clear: in various versions of Windows, not just 7, there is
    *an* administrator account and *the* Administrator account. They are
    different.

    Unless you enable *the* Administrator account and log in to that
    account, you have *an* administrator account, i.e., a user account with
    a *subset* of administrator privileges.

    The real Administrator account normally has the user name Administrator.
    You normally can't see it, but there is a way to enable it.

    An administrator account has a different user name and is marked
    "Administrator", meaning it has some (but not all) administrator
    privileges.

    The non-administrator accounts are marked "Standard user".

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     

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