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Inside Windows 7 User Account Control

V

Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx



Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get complete
control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything on this PC
and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>
>
>
> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????

So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
"...is that correct?
What exactly is it that you're trying to do?
 
E

EWyatt

Flightless Bird
On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>
>
>
> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????

Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring, etc.
Idiots.

In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.

RG
 
I

Ips-Switch

Flightless Bird
"Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????
>
> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything "...is
> that correct?
> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?

We're trying to install and use WindowsMail on the new PC with W-7.

Where did you find a "computer management?" in W- 7 Home Premium?
 
I

Ips-Switch

Flightless Bird
"Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????
>
> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything "...is
> that correct?
> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?

Oh... yes I am set up as the Administrator in User Accounts.
 
V

Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"EWyatt" <ewyatt@excite.com> wrote in message
news:i6tvt9$siq$1@news.datemas.de...
> On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????
>
> Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult to
> use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring, etc.
> Idiots.

It's driving us crazy. It's so much more complicated than Vista was. I
tried to understand how to gain control with properties/ ect but then one
small window opens after another and who but a MS tech would know the
terminology?

>
> In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate is
> Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.

There has to be someone here who can put it all in simple English for
regular non-techie people. I can assure you this is the last MS product I'm
buying. I'll switch over to Apple. It's well over 40 hours spent trying to
get W-7 up and running with a working news/mail client.

We tried adding some software and it wouldn't open after installing it, even
with the so-called backward compatibility nonsense. Anyone who buys W-7
64-bit must be crazy or unaware of what they're in for.

>
> RG
>
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 9/16/2010 2:31 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
> news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
>> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
>>> Permission??????????
>>
>> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
>> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
>> "...is that correct?
>> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?
>
> We're trying to install and use WindowsMail on the new PC with W-7.

So which is it

Windows Mail
or
Windows Live Mail
>
> Where did you find a "computer management?" in W- 7 Home Premium?

I don't have Home Premium but you can try typing in the run command:

compmgmt.msc
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 9/16/2010 2:33 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
> news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
>> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
>>> Permission??????????
>>
>> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
>> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
>> "...is that correct?
>> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?
>
> Oh... yes I am set up as the Administrator in User Accounts.
>
>
You made an Administrator account in User Accounts or did you enable the
real Administrator account in User Accounts?

If yes, why are you running as Administrator?
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 9/16/2010 2:42 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> "EWyatt" <ewyatt@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:i6tvt9$siq$1@news.datemas.de...
>> On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
>>> Permission??????????
>>
>> Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
>> to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring,
>> etc. Idiots.
>
> It's driving us crazy. It's so much more complicated than Vista was. I
> tried to understand how to gain control with properties/ ect but then
> one small window opens after another and who but a MS tech would know
> the terminology?
>
>>
>> In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
>> is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.
>
> There has to be someone here who can put it all in simple English for
> regular non-techie people. I can assure you this is the last MS product
> I'm buying. I'll switch over to Apple. It's well over 40 hours spent
> trying to get W-7 up and running with a working news/mail client.
>
> We tried adding some software and it wouldn't open after installing it,
> even with the so-called backward compatibility nonsense. Anyone who buys
> W-7 64-bit must be crazy or unaware of what they're in for.

I've been running multiple copies of W 7/64 for years without any problems.
You have yet to post in detail exactly what your problem is so it's
impossible to actually help you solve whatever it is that's not working.
You've also changed your name and you're seemingly confusing WM and WLM.


>
>>
>> RG
>>
>
>
 
S

SC Tom

Flightless Bird
"Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c9297cc@news.x-privat.org...
> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>
>
> I saw that but no one here is a PC tech or geek. Any idea how to turn it
> off in W-7 like I did in Vista?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+turn+off+uac+in+windows+7

It's not that hard. I've had it off since first installing Win7, and have
not regretted it one bit.
--
SC Tom
-There's no such thing as TMI when asking for tech support.
 
V

Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c9290cd@news.x-privat.org...
> On 9/16/2010 2:31 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
>> news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
>>> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
>>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
>>>> Permission??????????
>>>
>>> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
>>> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
>>> "...is that correct?
>>> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?
>>
>> We're trying to install and use WindowsMail on the new PC with W-7.
>
> So which is it
>
> Windows Mail
> or
> Windows Live Mail
>>
>> Where did you find a "computer management?" in W- 7 Home Premium?
>
> I don't have Home Premium but you can try typing in the run command:
>
> compmgmt.msc

There is no place there called: "Computer Management/Local
Users and Groups/Users/Administrator" on my W-7 PC.
Nothing to do with users or Admins.
There is computer management window.
 
V

Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c92918b@news.x-privat.org...
> On 9/16/2010 2:33 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
>> news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
>>> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
>>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
>>>> Permission??????????
>>>
>>> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
>>> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
>>> "...is that correct?
>>> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?
>>
>> Oh... yes I am set up as the Administrator in User Accounts.
>>
>>

> You made an Administrator account in User Accounts or did you enable the
> real Administrator account in User Accounts?

I don't know. i didn't set it up. When I looked I see it as Minnie
Administrator. Minnie is the name of the W-7 PC. The Account Type is
Administrator.

> If yes, why are you running as Administrator?

What or who should I be running as? ?!?!?!?
 
V

Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message news:4c929600@news.x-privat.org...
> On 9/16/2010 2:42 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>> "EWyatt" <ewyatt@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:i6tvt9$siq$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
>>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
>>>> Permission??????????
>>>
>>> Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
>>> to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring,
>>> etc. Idiots.
>>
>> It's driving us crazy. It's so much more complicated than Vista was. I
>> tried to understand how to gain control with properties/ ect but then
>> one small window opens after another and who but a MS tech would know
>> the terminology?
>>
>>>
>>> In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
>>> is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.
>>
>> There has to be someone here who can put it all in simple English for
>> regular non-techie people. I can assure you this is the last MS product
>> I'm buying. I'll switch over to Apple. It's well over 40 hours spent
>> trying to get W-7 up and running with a working news/mail client.
>>
>> We tried adding some software and it wouldn't open after installing it,
>> even with the so-called backward compatibility nonsense. Anyone who buys
>> W-7 64-bit must be crazy or unaware of what they're in for.
>
> I've been running multiple copies of W 7/64 for years without any
> problems.
> You have yet to post in detail exactly what your problem is so it's
> impossible to actually help you solve whatever it is that's not working.
> You've also changed your name and you're seemingly confusing WM and WLM.

Let me explain, we're trying to move WM from Vista to the new W-7 PC because
I despise WLM. We moved all the files, followed the info online, but it
wont open as WM. WLM now has all the files from WM from the Vista PC... but
still looks and works the same. Putting the files in a seperate folder
didn't work either. WM will not open on the W-7 machine. Yet I see so many
people on the forums who hated WLM who moved WM to their W-7 PCs and it
worked.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>> RG
>>>
>>
>>
>
 
V

Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
news:i6u5pu$3dm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4c9297cc@news.x-privat.org...
>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>
>>
>> I saw that but no one here is a PC tech or geek. Any idea how to turn it
>> off in W-7 like I did in Vista?
>
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+turn+off+uac+in+windows+7

Got it. Found one. It worked. Thank you.

>
> It's not that hard. I've had it off since first installing Win7, and have
> not regretted it one bit.
> --
> SC Tom
> -There's no such thing as TMI when asking for tech support.
>
 
A

Allen

Flightless Bird
EWyatt wrote:
> On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything
>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????
>
> Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
> to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring, etc.
> Idiots.
>
> In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
> is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.
>
> RG
>
Reminds me of my banking career. I learned enough about IBM mainframes
so that It knew Assembler, COBOL, Fortran and a few other languages.
Part of my job was to serve as a go-between the users (bankers) and
programmers. I told people that I was trilingual--I spoke Banker,
Programmer and English, three separate languages.
Allen
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 9/16/2010 9:26 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
> news:4c92918b@news.x-privat.org...
>> On 9/16/2010 2:33 PM, Ips-Switch wrote:
>>> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
>>> news:4c9282dc@news.x-privat.org...
>>>> On 9/16/2010 1:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>>>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do
>>>>> anything
>>>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
>>>>> Permission??????????
>>>>
>>>> So you enabled the Administrator account in Computer Management/Local
>>>> Users and Groups/Users/Administrator and yet you "can't do anything
>>>> "...is that correct?
>>>> What exactly is it that you're trying to do?
>>>
>>> Oh... yes I am set up as the Administrator in User Accounts.
>>>
>>>
>
>> You made an Administrator account in User Accounts or did you enable
>> the real Administrator account in User Accounts?
>
> I don't know. i didn't set it up. When I looked I see it as Minnie
> Administrator. Minnie is the name of the W-7 PC. The Account Type is
> Administrator.
>
>> If yes, why are you running as Administrator?
>
> What or who should I be running as? ?!?!?!?
>
>
>
>
As a standard user, not as Administrator.
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 9/16/2010 9:30 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
> news:4c929600@news.x-privat.org...
>> On 9/16/2010 2:42 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>> "EWyatt" <ewyatt@excite.com> wrote in message
>>> news:i6tvt9$siq$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>> On 9/16/2010 3:29 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>>>> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get
>>>>> complete control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do
>>>>> anything
>>>>> on this PC and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need
>>>>> Permission??????????
>>>>
>>>> Very good point. I hate it when Microsoft makes it extremely difficult
>>>> to use the Admin mode without having to wear a secret decoder ring,
>>>> etc. Idiots.
>>>
>>> It's driving us crazy. It's so much more complicated than Vista was. I
>>> tried to understand how to gain control with properties/ ect but then
>>> one small window opens after another and who but a MS tech would know
>>> the terminology?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In plain English, you ask? Good luck with that too! Two things I hate
>>>> is Lawyer-speak and Microsoft instructions.
>>>
>>> There has to be someone here who can put it all in simple English for
>>> regular non-techie people. I can assure you this is the last MS product
>>> I'm buying. I'll switch over to Apple. It's well over 40 hours spent
>>> trying to get W-7 up and running with a working news/mail client.
>>>
>>> We tried adding some software and it wouldn't open after installing it,
>>> even with the so-called backward compatibility nonsense. Anyone who buys
>>> W-7 64-bit must be crazy or unaware of what they're in for.
>>
>> I've been running multiple copies of W 7/64 for years without any
>> problems.
>> You have yet to post in detail exactly what your problem is so it's
>> impossible to actually help you solve whatever it is that's not
>> working. You've also changed your name and you're seemingly confusing
>> WM and WLM.
>
> Let me explain, we're trying to move WM from Vista to the new W-7 PC
> because I despise WLM. We moved all the files, followed the info online,
> but it wont open as WM. WLM now has all the files from WM from the Vista
> PC... but still looks and works the same. Putting the files in a
> seperate folder didn't work either. WM will not open on the W-7 machine.
> Yet I see so many people on the forums who hated WLM who moved WM to
> their W-7 PCs and it worked.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> RG
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
WM is only for Vista. Use WLM for W 7. I don't see where "many people"
are complaining about WLM. It works just fine as far as I'm concerned.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:29:15 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@sr2.cmm> wrote in message news:4c92646f@news.x-privat.org...
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.uac.aspx
>
>
>
> Do you have a site that explains *in simple English* how I can get complete
> control over the OS I bought and paid for? I can't do anything on this PC
> and I'm the Admin. How can the Admin need Permission??????????

Just to be clear: in various versions of Windows, not just 7, there is
*an* administrator account and *the* Administrator account. They are
different.

Unless you enable *the* Administrator account and log in to that
account, you have *an* administrator account, i.e., a user account with
a *subset* of administrator privileges.

The real Administrator account normally has the user name Administrator.
You normally can't see it, but there is a way to enable it.

An administrator account has a different user name and is marked
"Administrator", meaning it has some (but not all) administrator
privileges.

The non-administrator accounts are marked "Standard user".

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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