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CCleaner in Win 7

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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Dave-UK

Registry Cleaners that do the work automatically are dangerous and very unsafe. What
Mark ( Russinovich) was referencing to was when you know the registry and use one of
these cleaners MANNUALLY and knowing what you are deleting then it is another story.
Registry Tools in the hands of someone that does not know the registry is playing
Russian Roulette with a snake oil remedy(tool)

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Peter

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"Dave-UK" <Here@Home.com> wrote in message
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> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:6s2226t9775tuivvhce1qph9ql0qfga8hc@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:34:21 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
>> <no-spam@never.spam> wrote:
>
>> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
>> registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
>> don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
>> what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
>> having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
>>
>> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
>> removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
>> it may have.
>>
>> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
>>
>> And also
>> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
>>
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
>
>
> Interesting links, although rather old.
> To summarize it seems that Mr. George Ou from ZDNet
> thinks CCleaner works wonders (with msconfig) and Mr. Russinovich
> thinks registry cleaners can help maintain registry hygiene.
> Quote:
> "Registry cleaners have always been popular, but I never paid much attention to
> them.
> I originally thought that there might be valid reasons for their existence, but
> over time changed
> my mind, only to recently recognize that even today they can help maintain
> Registry hygiene."
>
>
>
 
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Percival P. Cassidy

Flightless Bird
On 06/22/10 03:16 pm, Ken Blake wrote:

> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
> registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
> don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
> what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
> having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
>
> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
> removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
> it may have.
>
> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
>
> And also
> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
>
> Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the
> use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause
> problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from
> the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry
> cleaner and never had a problem with it.
>
> Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
> the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no
> benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
> bargain.

The free version of Advanced System Care reports that my Win7Pro
registry has shortcuts to non-existent programs (but the shortcuts are
in subfolders, not on the Desktop), empty entries, and entries for
missing shared DLLs.

Any reason not to let it fix these problems -- after creating a System
Restore Point?

Perce
 
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milt

Flightless Bird
On 6/24/2010 5:47 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>
> The free version of Advanced System Care reports that my Win7Pro
> registry has shortcuts to non-existent programs (but the shortcuts are
> in subfolders, not on the Desktop), empty entries, and entries for
> missing shared DLLs.
>
> Any reason not to let it fix these problems -- after creating a System
> Restore Point?
>
> Perce

You won't notice any changes, so why bother?
 
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Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:47:48 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
<Nobody@NotMyISP.com> wrote:

> On 06/22/10 03:16 pm, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> > Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
> > registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
> > don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
> > what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
> > having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
> >
> > The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
> > removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
> > it may have.
> >
> > Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
> >
> > And also
> > http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
> >
> > Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the
> > use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause
> > problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from
> > the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry
> > cleaner and never had a problem with it.
> >
> > Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
> > the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no
> > benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
> > bargain.
>
> The free version of Advanced System Care reports that my Win7Pro
> registry has shortcuts to non-existent programs (but the shortcuts are
> in subfolders, not on the Desktop), empty entries, and entries for
> missing shared DLLs.
>
> Any reason not to let it fix these problems -- after creating a System
> Restore Point?


Yes, two reasons:

1. What you call "problems" aren't really problems at all. There's no
downside to having unneeded entries in the registry.

2. If the result of its screwing up is an unbootable system (which
sometimes happens), the restore point won't help you.


Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
 
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KEVIN JOHN PANZKE

Flightless Bird
SPAM! THREAD CLOSED! P.S. HOW IS YOUR VAGINA DOING? JUST FYI!
 
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KEVIN JOHN PANZKE

Flightless Bird
ALTHOUGH YOU ARE REALLY IN TRULY RUNNING WINDOWS 7, I FIND IT VERY HARD 2
BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE THE REAL ALIAS, AS THE REAL ALIAS WAS A DIE HARD UBUNTU
FAN, JUST FYI! THEREFORE I AM GOING 2 HAVE 2 SAY THE FOLLOWING: GO AWAY
IMPOSTER, JUST FYI! THREAD CLOSED! P.S. HOW IS YOUR VAGINA DOING? JUST FYI!
 
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Trimble Bracegirdle

Flightless Bird
If the system is OK then it will not go any faster .
But using the Cleaners makes sure it stays that way.

I'm, not being an idiot on this issue . I know there are many
junk Registry Cleaner progs around that with a great fuss
list harmless entries that Windows will deal with in time...
perhaps lists them more than once..& tries to delete stuff unneeded
& perhaps damagingly.
(\__/)
(='.':]
(")_(") mouse
 
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milt

Flightless Bird
On 6/25/2010 8:39 PM, Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
> If the system is OK then it will not go any faster .
> But using the Cleaners makes sure it stays that way.
>

Actually using registry cleaners increases your risk of your machine NOT
working if it trashes registry entries it thinks you don't need when you
really do and you get NO benefits when it does work.

Is it really worth risking trashing a fully-functioning for NOTHING?
 
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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 25 Jun 2010, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-spam@never.spam> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> If the system is OK then it will not go any faster .
> But using the Cleaners makes sure it stays that way.

<http://www.google.com/search?q=placebo+effect>
 
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Trimble Bracegirdle

Flightless Bird
Soooo ?! how do you ever so clever creatures get rid of the
tmp, temp, chk, old, bak, Log, etc. files ???

Perhaps your of the
"well of cause we have to re install the O/S every few weeks" persuasion ?
(\__/)
(='.':] This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your
(")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.
 
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Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 05:06:13 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
<no-spam@never.spam> wrote:

>Soooo ?! how do you ever so clever creatures get rid of the
>tmp, temp, chk, old, bak, Log, etc. files ???

What does that have to do with 'cleaning' the Registry?
 
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milt

Flightless Bird
On 6/25/2010 11:06 PM, Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
> Soooo ?! how do you ever so clever creatures get rid of the
> tmp, temp, chk, old, bak, Log, etc. files ???
>
> Perhaps your of the
> "well of cause we have to re install the O/S every few weeks" persuasion ?
> (\__/)
> (='.':] This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your
> (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.
>
>

Actually, most of us just leave them alone.
 
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SC Tom

Flightless Bird
"Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-spam@never.spam> wrote in message
news:i03ubp$jgh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Soooo ?! how do you ever so clever creatures get rid of the
> tmp, temp, chk, old, bak, Log, etc. files ???
>
> Perhaps your of the
> "well of cause we have to re install the O/S every few weeks" persuasion ?
> (\__/)
> (='.':] This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your
> (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.
>
Hard to tell who you're replying to, but I think it's me from the gist of
it.
I get rid of the temp files, etc., using Windows Cleanup.
I have had to reinstall my OS once since Windows 3.0, and that was WinME.
That was my fault- I deleted something I shouldn't have and had to do a
repair install of it. Haven't had to reinstall any OS since, up to and
including my Win7 installation.

Courtesy dictates that you at least include the text you're replying to. Not
a rule by any means (since there don't appear to be any rules in alt
groups), but at least that way people can see the most recent conversation
:)
--
SC Tom
 
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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 26 Jun 2010, "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in alt.windows7.general:

> I get rid of the temp files, etc., using Windows Cleanup.

This has been explained to him a couple of times already, but he seems
to ignore it.

> Courtesy dictates that you at least include the text you're
> replying to. Not a rule by any means (since there don't appear to
> be any rules in alt groups), but at least that way people can see
> the most recent conversation
>:)

He has yet to quote anything - I don't think he knows how. He doesn't
seem to quite understand what newsgroups are or how to work them.
 
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Trimble Bracegirdle

Flightless Bird
I regularly use a lot of Newsgroups over many years & I can inform the 3 or
4
obviously dominate of the regulars here.
That they are the nastiest, rudest, PIG HEADED collection of control
freaking
Mini-Hitler's in UseNet.
There rigid regular attempts to Bully & enforce there simple minded
attitudes renders this Group
almost unbearable. @@@@
 
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Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:49:03 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
<no-spam@never.spam> wrote:

> I regularly use a lot of Newsgroups over many years & I can inform the 3 or
> 4
> obviously dominate of the regulars here.
> That they are the nastiest, rudest, PIG HEADED collection of control
> freaking
> Mini-Hitler's in UseNet.
> There rigid regular attempts to Bully & enforce there simple minded
> attitudes renders this Group
> almost unbearable. @@@@



I don't know who you are talking about, and whether I am one of them
or not, but I don't care. I have no interest in reading messages like
the above from you or anyone else, so welcome to my killfile.
 
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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:49:03 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
> <no-spam@never.spam> wrote:
>
>> I regularly use a lot of Newsgroups over many years & I can inform the 3
>> or
>> 4
>> obviously dominate of the regulars here.
>> That they are the nastiest, rudest, PIG HEADED collection of control
>> freaking
>> Mini-Hitler's in UseNet.
>> There rigid regular attempts to Bully & enforce there simple minded
>> attitudes renders this Group
>> almost unbearable. @@@@
>
>
>
> I don't know who you are talking about, and whether I am one of them
> or not, but I don't care. I have no interest in reading messages like
> the above from you or anyone else, so welcome to my killfile.

Amen! I fear such as he are jealous that some are respected for the help
they give. He wants to be 'the boss'

Well tough! That attitude will not get him what he desires!


--
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https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
 
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Grenou

Flightless Bird
"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:5n5d269p2hskpfv9h9aes8qbh79mep2u72@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:49:03 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
>> <no-spam@never.spam> wrote:
>>
>>> I regularly use a lot of Newsgroups over many years & I can inform the
>>> 3 or
>>> 4
>>> obviously dominate of the regulars here.
>>> That they are the nastiest, rudest, PIG HEADED collection of control
>>> freaking
>>> Mini-Hitler's in UseNet.
>>> There rigid regular attempts to Bully & enforce there simple minded
>>> attitudes renders this Group
>>> almost unbearable. @@@@
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know who you are talking about, and whether I am one of them
>> or not, but I don't care. I have no interest in reading messages like
>> the above from you or anyone else, so welcome to my killfile.
>
> Amen! I fear such as he are jealous that some are respected for the help
> they give. He wants to be 'the boss'
>
> Well tough! That attitude will not get him what he desires!
>
>
> --
> --
> https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/


Ah, it's the Pink Lady :)
Long time no see, I hope you're well!

I don't read those idiot's posts, thankfully they're easy to spot!
I block the lot, a bit time consuming as they keep altering their details,
but at least it helps me remember how to block, so they're doing 'some' good
after all, hehe.

Grenou
 
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Ophelia

Flightless Bird
"Grenou" <Iamhere@someofthetime.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:88up8jFtl2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:5n5d269p2hskpfv9h9aes8qbh79mep2u72@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:49:03 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
>>> <no-spam@never.spam> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I regularly use a lot of Newsgroups over many years & I can inform the
>>>> 3 or
>>>> 4
>>>> obviously dominate of the regulars here.
>>>> That they are the nastiest, rudest, PIG HEADED collection of control
>>>> freaking
>>>> Mini-Hitler's in UseNet.
>>>> There rigid regular attempts to Bully & enforce there simple minded
>>>> attitudes renders this Group
>>>> almost unbearable. @@@@
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know who you are talking about, and whether I am one of them
>>> or not, but I don't care. I have no interest in reading messages like
>>> the above from you or anyone else, so welcome to my killfile.
>>
>> Amen! I fear such as he are jealous that some are respected for the help
>> they give. He wants to be 'the boss'
>>
>> Well tough! That attitude will not get him what he desires!


> Ah, it's the Pink Lady :)
> Long time no see, I hope you're well!
>
> I don't read those idiot's posts, thankfully they're easy to spot!
> I block the lot, a bit time consuming as they keep altering their details,
> but at least it helps me remember how to block, so they're doing 'some'
> good after all, hehe.

Grenou!!! How lovely to see you:) I don't post much but I do read!
I am a naughty wee lurker yannow <g> I am not knowledgable enough to
respond to questions, but I do read so that I might learn:)

I hope you are very well too?

--
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https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
 
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Grenou

Flightless Bird
"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
news:88v4v5F7lcU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
> "Grenou" <Iamhere@someofthetime.com> wrote in message
> news:2_ednWFXmPvmyrfRnZ2dnUVZ7qmdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>>
>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
>> news:88up8jFtl2U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5n5d269p2hskpfv9h9aes8qbh79mep2u72@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:49:03 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
>>>> <no-spam@never.spam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I regularly use a lot of Newsgroups over many years & I can inform
>>>>> the 3 or
>>>>> 4
>>>>> obviously dominate of the regulars here.
>>>>> That they are the nastiest, rudest, PIG HEADED collection of control
>>>>> freaking
>>>>> Mini-Hitler's in UseNet.
>>>>> There rigid regular attempts to Bully & enforce there simple minded
>>>>> attitudes renders this Group
>>>>> almost unbearable. @@@@
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know who you are talking about, and whether I am one of them
>>>> or not, but I don't care. I have no interest in reading messages like
>>>> the above from you or anyone else, so welcome to my killfile.
>>>
>>> Amen! I fear such as he are jealous that some are respected for the
>>> help they give. He wants to be 'the boss'
>>>
>>> Well tough! That attitude will not get him what he desires!
>
>
>> Ah, it's the Pink Lady :)
>> Long time no see, I hope you're well!
>>
>> I don't read those idiot's posts, thankfully they're easy to spot!
>> I block the lot, a bit time consuming as they keep altering their
>> details, but at least it helps me remember how to block, so they're doing
>> 'some' good after all, hehe.
>
> Grenou!!! How lovely to see you:) I don't post much but I do read!
> I am a naughty wee lurker yannow <g> I am not knowledgable enough to
> respond to questions, but I do read so that I might learn:)
>
> I hope you are very well too?
>
> --
> --
> https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

Your posts still appear in pink so I always know it's you.
It's so refreshing to be able to open a post knowing it's not going to be a
shock to read!
Excellent, at least two people in the UK are known to be well, hehe. I
hasten to add that I am not a football addict or I might not be so well ;-)

Grenou
>
 
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