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XP Pro - SP3 Advice

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by pjelliott, Aug 30, 2010.

  1. pjelliott

    pjelliott Flightless Bird

    Hi

    I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    XP3 SP3 set-up.

    I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:

    1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);

    2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);

    3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    drive while in XP.

    I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    please?

    Many thanks all

    Kind regards
     
  2. Mark Adams

    Mark Adams Flightless Bird

    "pjelliott" wrote:

    > Hi
    >
    > I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    > XP3 SP3 set-up.
    >
    > I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    > XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    > Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:
    >
    > 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    > and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    > XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    >
    > 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    > ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    > quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    >
    > 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    > disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    > drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    > station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    > drive while in XP.
    >
    > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    > that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    > XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    > please?
    >
    > Many thanks all
    >
    > Kind regards
    >


    Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB device. Why
    don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications there that won't run
    in XP mode on the Win 7 box?
     
  3. pjelliott

    pjelliott Flightless Bird

    Mark

    Space is the issue so I can't retain the old PC so I need to find another
    way of running XP............

    Cheers

    "Mark Adams" wrote:

    >
    >
    > "pjelliott" wrote:
    >
    > > Hi
    > >
    > > I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    > > XP3 SP3 set-up.
    > >
    > > I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    > > XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    > > Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:
    > >
    > > 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    > > and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    > > XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > >
    > > 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    > > ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    > > quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > >
    > > 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    > > disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    > > drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    > > station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    > > drive while in XP.
    > >
    > > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    > > that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    > > XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    > > please?
    > >
    > > Many thanks all
    > >
    > > Kind regards
    > >

    >
    > Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB device. Why
    > don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications there that won't run
    > in XP mode on the Win 7 box?
     
  4. Bert Hyman

    Bert Hyman Flightless Bird

    In news:BDFB1529-3C60-4625-B0A9-F222A0A834FF@microsoft.com
    =?Utf-8?B?cGplbGxpb3R0?= <pjelliott@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and
    > confirmation that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC
    > while using any of the XP options mentioned above. Are there any
    > other options available to me please?


    Try running VMWare Player on your Windows 7 system and install your XP
    system into it.

    http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

    It's free.

    --
    Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
     
  5. Mark Adams

    Mark Adams Flightless Bird

    "pjelliott" wrote:

    > Mark
    >
    > Space is the issue so I can't retain the old PC so I need to find another
    > way of running XP............
    >
    > Cheers
    >



    If XP drivers are available for the Win 7 machine, you could set it up to
    dual boot the two operating systems, or run XP from within Win 7 as a virtual
    machine. Why are you replacing the XP machine? Because you also need Windows
    7?


    > "Mark Adams" wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > "pjelliott" wrote:
    > >
    > > > Hi
    > > >
    > > > I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    > > > XP3 SP3 set-up.
    > > >
    > > > I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    > > > XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    > > > Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:
    > > >
    > > > 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    > > > and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    > > > XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > > >
    > > > 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    > > > ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    > > > quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > > >
    > > > 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    > > > disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    > > > drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    > > > station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    > > > drive while in XP.
    > > >
    > > > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    > > > that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    > > > XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    > > > please?
    > > >
    > > > Many thanks all
    > > >
    > > > Kind regards
    > > >

    > >
    > > Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB device. Why
    > > don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications there that won't run
    > > in XP mode on the Win 7 box?
     
  6. pjelliott

    pjelliott Flightless Bird

    My XP machine is 9-10 years old and really starting to show its age. It
    doesn't owe me a lot to be fair. I'm now doing a lot of photo editing and
    stuff so the old thing really can't cope - really slow; hence the Windows 7
    PC which has come pre-loaded with 7 Pro.

    Is it possible to load XP Pro onto a new partition on a 7 Pro machine to
    enable dual boot then? All the info/instruction I've seen so far suggests I
    would need to have Xp Pro on 1st and then install 7 Pro onto a separate
    partition to enable dual boot........

    Cheers

    "Mark Adams" wrote:

    >
    >
    > "pjelliott" wrote:
    >
    > > Mark
    > >
    > > Space is the issue so I can't retain the old PC so I need to find another
    > > way of running XP............
    > >
    > > Cheers
    > >

    >
    >
    > If XP drivers are available for the Win 7 machine, you could set it up to
    > dual boot the two operating systems, or run XP from within Win 7 as a virtual
    > machine. Why are you replacing the XP machine? Because you also need Windows
    > 7?
    >
    >
    > > "Mark Adams" wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "pjelliott" wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Hi
    > > > >
    > > > > I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    > > > > XP3 SP3 set-up.
    > > > >
    > > > > I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    > > > > XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    > > > > Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:
    > > > >
    > > > > 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    > > > > and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    > > > > XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > > > >
    > > > > 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    > > > > ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    > > > > quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > > > >
    > > > > 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    > > > > disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    > > > > drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    > > > > station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    > > > > drive while in XP.
    > > > >
    > > > > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    > > > > that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    > > > > XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    > > > > please?
    > > > >
    > > > > Many thanks all
    > > > >
    > > > > Kind regards
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB device. Why
    > > > don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications there that won't run
    > > > in XP mode on the Win 7 box?
     
  7. Db

    Db Flightless Bird

    undoubtedly, if the xp
    hard drive has your
    data, i.e. files and folders

    then you will need to
    take that hard drive
    out of the old pc and
    install it as a slave on
    the new pc.

    that way you can access
    the data via the new o.s.
    ----------

    another option is that
    you can connect both
    computers as a network.
    -----------
    another option is
    you could install a program
    like virtual box in w7.

    then you can install xp in
    the virtual box,

    then you can install your
    programs in the virtualized
    xp.
    ----------
    lastly, it may have been a
    better idea to upgrade your
    old pc instead of buying a
    new machine and a new
    o.s.

    it would have made things
    a bit easier for you "and"
    a bit faster.

    perhaps, you might take
    the new system back for
    a refund and use the money
    to upgrade your old system,

    i.e., faster motherboard, more
    ram, more hard drive and or
    more video/graphics card.
    --
    --
    db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

    DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx


    "pjelliott" <pjelliott@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BDFB1529-3C60-4625-B0A9-F222A0A834FF@microsoft.com...
    > Hi
    >
    > I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    > XP3 SP3 set-up.
    >
    > I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    > XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    > Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:
    >
    > 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    > and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    > XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    >
    > 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    > ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    > quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    >
    > 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    > disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    > drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    > station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    > drive while in XP.
    >
    > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    > that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    > XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    > please?
    >
    > Many thanks all
    >
    > Kind regards
    >
     
  8. pjelliott

    pjelliott Flightless Bird

    Thanks Bert - I'll take a look at this; sounds a good idea

    "Bert Hyman" wrote:

    > In news:BDFB1529-3C60-4625-B0A9-F222A0A834FF@microsoft.com
    > =?Utf-8?B?cGplbGxpb3R0?= <pjelliott@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    >
    > > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and
    > > confirmation that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC
    > > while using any of the XP options mentioned above. Are there any
    > > other options available to me please?

    >
    > Try running VMWare Player on your Windows 7 system and install your XP
    > system into it.
    >
    > http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
    >
    > It's free.
    >
    > --
    > Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
    > .
    >
     
  9. pjelliott

    pjelliott Flightless Bird

    Thanks Db - I'm liking the sound of a virtual PC installation so I'm looking
    into that.

    Cheers

    "Db" wrote:

    > undoubtedly, if the xp
    > hard drive has your
    > data, i.e. files and folders
    >
    > then you will need to
    > take that hard drive
    > out of the old pc and
    > install it as a slave on
    > the new pc.
    >
    > that way you can access
    > the data via the new o.s.
    > ----------
    >
    > another option is that
    > you can connect both
    > computers as a network.
    > -----------
    > another option is
    > you could install a program
    > like virtual box in w7.
    >
    > then you can install xp in
    > the virtual box,
    >
    > then you can install your
    > programs in the virtualized
    > xp.
    > ----------
    > lastly, it may have been a
    > better idea to upgrade your
    > old pc instead of buying a
    > new machine and a new
    > o.s.
    >
    > it would have made things
    > a bit easier for you "and"
    > a bit faster.
    >
    > perhaps, you might take
    > the new system back for
    > a refund and use the money
    > to upgrade your old system,
    >
    > i.e., faster motherboard, more
    > ram, more hard drive and or
    > more video/graphics card.
    > --
    > --
    > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    >
    > DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    >
    > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
    >
    > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
    >
    >
    > "pjelliott" <pjelliott@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BDFB1529-3C60-4625-B0A9-F222A0A834FF@microsoft.com...
    > > Hi
    > >
    > > I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    > > XP3 SP3 set-up.
    > >
    > > I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    > > XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    > > Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:
    > >
    > > 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    > > and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    > > XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > >
    > > 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    > > ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    > > quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > >
    > > 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    > > disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    > > drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    > > station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    > > drive while in XP.
    > >
    > > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    > > that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    > > XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    > > please?
    > >
    > > Many thanks all
    > >
    > > Kind regards
    > >
     
  10. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:7260FA6C-D40B-4A8B-AA0B-83150FEA2DC0@microsoft.com,
    Mark Adams typed on Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:42:03 -0700:
    > Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB
    > device. Why don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications
    > there that won't run in XP mode on the Win 7 box?


    Microsoft says you can't run Windows from an USB drive. But others found
    out that Microsoft doesn't know what they are talking about. You can if
    you modify the Windows registry. There are lots of how to's in a web
    search.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  11. Bob I

    Bob I Flightless Bird

    BillW50 wrote:
    > In news:7260FA6C-D40B-4A8B-AA0B-83150FEA2DC0@microsoft.com,
    > Mark Adams typed on Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:42:03 -0700:
    >
    >>Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB
    >>device. Why don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications
    >>there that won't run in XP mode on the Win 7 box?

    >
    >
    > Microsoft says you can't run Windows from an USB drive. But others found
    > out that Microsoft doesn't know what they are talking about. You can if
    > you modify the Windows registry. There are lots of how to's in a web
    > search.
    >


    It works by disabling Windows from using USB as a Removable Device. And
    since it would only be usable on one PC, and be slow as molasses in
    January, that pretty much makes the endeavor merely "proof that it can
    be done". Kind of like balancing a cell phone on your nose, entertaining
    but otherwise pretty useless.
     
  12. Yousuf Khan

    Yousuf Khan Flightless Bird

    On 8/30/2010 1:18 PM, pjelliott wrote:
    > Hi
    >
    > I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    > XP3 SP3 set-up.
    >
    > I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    > XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    > Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:


    I'm running XP Mode on my Win7Ultimate 64-bit, it seems to run fine.
    What problems have you read about that's a show-stopper for you?

    > 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    > and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    > XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    >
    > 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    > ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    > quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    >
    > 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    > disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    > drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    > station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    > drive while in XP.


    I'm not sure why you're using the term "burn", because burning refers to
    copying something to an optical disk, such as a CD or DVD blank, and
    making it unchangingly permanent there. When you're copying to a hard
    disk or a USB stick, you're simply copying files, no need to burn anything.

    Anyways, I've not tried copying Windows XP to a USB stick, it might be a
    bit problematic, as there usually isn't enough space in such a stick,
    plus it might be slow compared to a hard disk. I have copied my Windows
    XP to an external hard disk, which I run through an eSATA connection,
    which is much faster than a USB2 connection. You'd need eSATA to obtain
    nearly the same performance of booting that you got with the drive when
    it was an internal drive. I think you'll find booting from a USB2 hard
    disk is painfully slow. USB2 hard disks are fine for data disks though.

    > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    > that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    > XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    > please?


    Another option I have is called ZinstallXP7 (Google it). It allows you
    to switch easily back and forth between your Windows 7 desktop and your
    old XP desktop. It uses a virtualization technology to bring your XP
    desktop back to life after installing Windows 7.

    The difference between Zinstall and the XP Mode is that Zinstall also
    brings all of your installed programs back to life along with the OS
    itself. XP Mode is like as if you have a separate brand new XP installed
    on the machine, and you'll have to go around reinstalling your old apps
    again.

    I'd say the advantage of Zinstall is that you're immediately back in
    your old environment, including your old settings. It's disadvantage
    over XP Mode is that it is much slower. XP Mode is a clean new install
    of XP so XP always runs faster when it's cleanly installed, as you
    probably know.

    Yousuf Khan
     
  13. pjp

    pjp Flightless Bird

    Think you'll find XP and presumably later OS's (as well as earlier) will
    not/do not work from a "removable" device of any sort. Least not without
    major changes to some "things". It wants a "fixed disk".

    There's no way MS is likely to change this in any form because it would
    directly affect sales, e.g. a "live" OS can be used on any pc so there'd not
    even be a need to provide it with the pc when purchased as is the norm
    today. Same if you could install it on a "portable" device of any sort, e.g.
    you'd only "need" one copy and carry it with you, e.g. installed onto a 16
    gig or larger thumbdrive would be wonderfull.

    Note - it is what MS should do IMHO but they're too greedy to ever do what's
    best for their customers and in fact take pains to prevent doing exactly
    that.

    "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:BsidnQG-IqoCgeDRnZ2dnUVZ7rOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    > On 8/30/2010 1:18 PM, pjelliott wrote:
    >> Hi
    >>
    >> I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    >> XP3 SP3 set-up.
    >>
    >> I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes
    >> in
    >> XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility
    >> in 7
    >> Pro I'm considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three
    >> choices:

    >
    > I'm running XP Mode on my Win7Ultimate 64-bit, it seems to run fine. What
    > problems have you read about that's a show-stopper for you?
    >
    >> 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard
    >> drive
    >> and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work
    >> on
    >> XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I'm running this off my new
    >> PC, I
    >> should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in
    >> XP?);
    >>
    >> 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick
    >> (effectively a
    >> 'solid-state drive' I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully
    >> quite
    >> quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I'm running this off my new PC,
    >> I
    >> should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in
    >> XP?);
    >>
    >> 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing
    >> SATA
    >> disc into this at 'power-on' to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    >> drive docking station - I've not seen any mention of it in any docking
    >> station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    >> drive while in XP.

    >
    > I'm not sure why you're using the term "burn", because burning refers to
    > copying something to an optical disk, such as a CD or DVD blank, and
    > making it unchangingly permanent there. When you're copying to a hard disk
    > or a USB stick, you're simply copying files, no need to burn anything.
    >
    > Anyways, I've not tried copying Windows XP to a USB stick, it might be a
    > bit problematic, as there usually isn't enough space in such a stick, plus
    > it might be slow compared to a hard disk. I have copied my Windows XP to
    > an external hard disk, which I run through an eSATA connection, which is
    > much faster than a USB2 connection. You'd need eSATA to obtain nearly the
    > same performance of booting that you got with the drive when it was an
    > internal drive. I think you'll find booting from a USB2 hard disk is
    > painfully slow. USB2 hard disks are fine for data disks though.
    >
    >> I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and
    >> confirmation
    >> that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of
    >> the
    >> XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    >> please?

    >
    > Another option I have is called ZinstallXP7 (Google it). It allows you to
    > switch easily back and forth between your Windows 7 desktop and your old
    > XP desktop. It uses a virtualization technology to bring your XP desktop
    > back to life after installing Windows 7.
    >
    > The difference between Zinstall and the XP Mode is that Zinstall also
    > brings all of your installed programs back to life along with the OS
    > itself. XP Mode is like as if you have a separate brand new XP installed
    > on the machine, and you'll have to go around reinstalling your old apps
    > again.
    >
    > I'd say the advantage of Zinstall is that you're immediately back in your
    > old environment, including your old settings. It's disadvantage over XP
    > Mode is that it is much slower. XP Mode is a clean new install of XP so XP
    > always runs faster when it's cleanly installed, as you probably know.
    >
    > Yousuf Khan
     
  14. Mark Adams

    Mark Adams Flightless Bird

    "pjelliott" wrote:

    > My XP machine is 9-10 years old and really starting to show its age. It
    > doesn't owe me a lot to be fair. I'm now doing a lot of photo editing and
    > stuff so the old thing really can't cope - really slow; hence the Windows 7
    > PC which has come pre-loaded with 7 Pro.
    >
    > Is it possible to load XP Pro onto a new partition on a 7 Pro machine to
    > enable dual boot then? All the info/instruction I've seen so far suggests I
    > would need to have Xp Pro on 1st and then install 7 Pro onto a separate
    > partition to enable dual boot........
    >
    > Cheers
    >



    I'm sure there is a way to shrink the Win 7 partition, then create a second
    partition on the "recovered" disk space and then install XP on that
    partition. You would then need to edit the boot loader or install a third
    party boot loader so you can choose which OS to boot.

    You might also consider installing a removable drive bay. Buy a second hard
    drive and install XP on the second drive. When you want to change the OS,
    shut the machine down, pull out the drive, insert the other drive and
    restart. This offers the advantage that both OS install to C: since only one
    drive is in the system at a time. Disadvantage is obvious too; can't share
    data between drives when they are not both connected simultaneously. Drivers
    still need to be available for XP to run on the Win 7 box.


    > "Mark Adams" wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > "pjelliott" wrote:
    > >
    > > > Mark
    > > >
    > > > Space is the issue so I can't retain the old PC so I need to find another
    > > > way of running XP............
    > > >
    > > > Cheers
    > > >

    > >
    > >
    > > If XP drivers are available for the Win 7 machine, you could set it up to
    > > dual boot the two operating systems, or run XP from within Win 7 as a virtual
    > > machine. Why are you replacing the XP machine? Because you also need Windows
    > > 7?
    > >
    > >
    > > > "Mark Adams" wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "pjelliott" wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > Hi
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I have just purchased a new PC running Windows 7 Pro to replace my ageing
    > > > > > XP3 SP3 set-up.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I particularly purchased 7Pro so I could run a few of my older programmes in
    > > > > > XP Mode but, having read a few, not so good reviews, about this facility in 7
    > > > > > Pro I’m considering other options. As far as I can see, I have three choices:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1. Burn (my existing copy of) XP Pro to an external, bootable, hard drive
    > > > > > and load my older programmes onto it. I can then boot from this and work on
    > > > > > XP Pro as and when necessary (hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > > > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 2. Burn XP Pro and my older programmes to a 16Gb USB2 stick (effectively a
    > > > > > ‘solid-state drive’ I presume). I can then boot from this (hopefully quite
    > > > > > quickly. Likewise as above, hopefully, as I’m running this off my new PC, I
    > > > > > should be able to see and read/write to my new data drive even while in XP?);
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 3. Obtain an external hard drive docking station and drop my existing SATA
    > > > > > disc into this at ‘power-on’ to boot from (is this possible using a hard
    > > > > > drive docking station – I’ve not seen any mention of it in any docking
    > > > > > station literature?) Again, I assume that I can read/write to my new data
    > > > > > drive while in XP.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I'd appreciate any advice as to the best option to go for and confirmation
    > > > > > that I'll be able to access my data drive on my new PC while using any of the
    > > > > > XP options mentioned above. Are there any other options available to me
    > > > > > please?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Many thanks all
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Kind regards
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB device. Why
    > > > > don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications there that won't run
    > > > > in XP mode on the Win 7 box?
     
  15. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:%233MbYTQSLHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,
    Bob I typed on Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:05:45 -0500:
    > BillW50 wrote:
    >> In news:7260FA6C-D40B-4A8B-AA0B-83150FEA2DC0@microsoft.com,
    >> Mark Adams typed on Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:42:03 -0700:
    >>
    >>> Nope, won't work. Windows XP is not designed to run from a USB
    >>> device. Why don't you just keep the XP box and run the applications
    >>> there that won't run in XP mode on the Win 7 box?

    >>
    >>
    >> Microsoft says you can't run Windows from an USB drive. But others
    >> found out that Microsoft doesn't know what they are talking about.
    >> You can if you modify the Windows registry. There are lots of how
    >> to's in a web search.

    >
    > It works by disabling Windows from using USB as a Removable Device.
    > And since it would only be usable on one PC, and be slow as molasses
    > in January, that pretty much makes the endeavor merely "proof that it
    > can be done". Kind of like balancing a cell phone on your nose,
    > entertaining but otherwise pretty useless.


    I have no idea if it does that too. But that would be a great idea since
    a lot of applications won't install on a removable device anyway. But
    the big problem the way I understand it is that Windows resets the USB
    ports right in the middle of booting. And if it is booting from an USB
    device, it is all over and it just sits there. Thus never finishes to
    boot. Thus the fix is to modify the registry to not do that.

    Oh you want Windows to run from an USB device and work on any computer?
    Wow that is a huge order (and only legal with retail versions of
    Windows)! But you can pull that off most of the time with using all of
    the generic drivers like BartPE and WinPE does.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     

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