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Windows OS - Instant On

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Winows Instant On, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. Winows Instant On

    Winows Instant On Flightless Bird

    I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of memory and
    disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous that we have to wait
    4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.

    If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there is
    really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of the last
    version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the OS should boot
    within a couple of seconds at the most.
     
  2. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Uh-huh...

    Well, it's not a toaster, is it?

    Help! My computer is slow!
    http://miekiemoes.blogspot.com/2008/02/help-my-computer-is-slow.html


    Winows Instant On wrote:
    > I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    > Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of memory
    > and
    > disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous that we have to
    > wait
    > 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >
    > If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there is
    > really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of the last
    > version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the OS should boot
    > within a couple of seconds at the most.
     
  3. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    Changing your posting name from "pissed and disgusted" to "WindowsInstantOn"
    won't disguise the fact that you're one and the same person with a urge to
    whinge and rant. One look at the headers makes it obvious. Now take your
    pills and settle down!
     
  4. bobster

    bobster Flightless Bird

    4-5 minutes?? My windows XP/SP3 Intel dual 2.2 machine boots up ready to
    use in 45 seconds or less. That is not "instant on" but sure beats 4-5
    minutes. There must other problems with your computer, unrelated to the OS
    that need addressing. This board has had many suggestions on how to speed
    up slow booting machines. Search them out or Google the problem.

    I do agree with you that "instant" booting would be nice

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    "Winows Instant On" <Winows Instant On@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    message news:C8AB26F9-42D4-49B2-B41E-CA40230FF27C@microsoft.com...
    I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of memory and
    disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous that we have to wait
    4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.

    If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there is
    really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of the last
    version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the OS should boot
    within a couple of seconds at the most.
     
  5. Bob I

    Bob I Flightless Bird

    I use Standby. If you really have to Power Off, use Hibernate.

    Winows Instant On wrote:

    > I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    > Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of memory and
    > disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous that we have to wait
    > 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >
    > If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there is
    > really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of the last
    > version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the OS should boot
    > within a couple of seconds at the most.
     
  6. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    In news:C8AB26F9-42D4-49B2-B41E-CA40230FF27C@microsoft.com,
    Winows Instant On <Winows Instant On@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
    > I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    > Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of
    > memory and disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous
    > that we have to wait 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >
    > If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there
    > is really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of
    > the last version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the
    > OS should boot within a couple of seconds at the most.


    You'll never achieve a couple second startup with XP unless it's stable
    enough on your system to just not shut it down, which is what I do; I set it
    to blank the screen during non-use and I also power down the drives, which
    do take a few seconds to spin up. You do pay a dollar or so more a month
    for electricity, but it's always available. I use the night times to run
    backups for my 5 hard drives.

    Assuming you know you are free of viruses and spyware (easy enough to scan
    for - ask here if need help), then Hibernate and Standby will be your best
    speed ups for starting. In addition to that, here are a couple more links
    that might provide useful information:

    http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Windows-XP-Startup-Faster

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4838976_fix-windows-xp-slow-startup.html

    Twayne
     
  7. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    In news:C8AB26F9-42D4-49B2-B41E-CA40230FF27C@microsoft.com,
    Winows Instant On <Winows Instant On@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
    > I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    > Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of
    > memory and disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous
    > that we have to wait 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >
    > If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there
    > is really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of
    > the last version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the
    > OS should boot within a couple of seconds at the most.


    Good luck; a MAC isn't going to do that either. It takes longer than that
    just for most drives to spin up.
     
  8. Lem

    Lem Flightless Bird

    Winows Instant On wrote:
    > I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    > Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of memory and
    > disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous that we have to wait
    > 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >
    > If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there is
    > really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of the last
    > version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the OS should boot
    > within a couple of seconds at the most.


    Um ... it's called "hibernation" and it's been around in Windows (in
    some form) since Windows 95. IIRC, the default "off button" in Win 7
    puts the computer into hibernation instead of powering it off.

    --
    Lem

    Apollo 11 - 40 years ago:
    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/index.html
     
  9. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    bobster wrote:
    > 4-5 minutes?? My windows XP/SP3 Intel dual 2.2 machine boots up ready to
    > use in 45 seconds or less. That is not "instant on" but sure beats 4-5
    > minutes. There must other problems with your computer, unrelated to the
    > OS
    > that need addressing.


    My sentiments too. 4-5 minutes is ridiculous! Something is wrong with
    his system here.
     
  10. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Flightless Bird

    You can add another one to the 2 the OP already used. "SlowBootTimes"

    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

    "Pegasus [MVP]" <news@microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:-OrjcSbJlKHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >
    > Changing your posting name from "pissed and disgusted" to "WindowsInstantOn" won't
    > disguise the fact that you're one and the same person with a urge to whinge and
    > rant. One look at the headers makes it obvious. Now take your pills and settle
    > down!
     
  11. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    Winows Instant On wrote:

    > I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    > Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of memory and
    > disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous that we have to wait
    > 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >
    > If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there is
    > really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of the last
    > version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the OS should boot
    > within a couple of seconds at the most.


    Two methods come to mind:

    - Don't power down. Instead have your host go into Standby low-power mode.
    That's "instant on" worked before. Since you aren't exiting Windows,
    everything is still in memory.

    - Go into Hibernate low-power mode. That copies the memory into a disk file
    and powers down the host. Upon power up, the file gets copied back into
    memory.

    Nothing runs unless it is in memory. If you don't wipe memory (by powering
    down) then, yep, everything is still there for "instant on". Hibernate
    works by copying the memory somewhere (because obviously you are removing
    power) and then copying it back from the hiberfil.sys file on the disk back
    to memory. So a faster disk means a faster transfer to memory.
     
  12. Jose

    Jose Flightless Bird

    On Jan 13, 4:06 pm, Winows Instant On <Winows Instant
    O...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    > I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    > Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of memory and
    > disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous that we have to wait
    > 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >
    > If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there is
    > really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of the last
    > version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the OS should boot
    > within a couple of seconds at the most.


    After agreeing on a definition of operational, we can measure your
    system time (in tenths of a second) from power up to operational.

    I charge $1 per second of reduction in time. The tenths are free.
     
  13. HeyBub

    HeyBub Flightless Bird

    VanguardLH wrote:
    > Winows Instant On wrote:
    >
    >> I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it
    >> had Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of
    >> memory and disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous
    >> that we have to wait 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >>
    >> If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there
    >> is really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of
    >> the last version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the
    >> OS should boot within a couple of seconds at the most.

    >
    > Two methods come to mind:
    >
    > - Don't power down. Instead have your host go into Standby low-power
    > mode. That's "instant on" worked before. Since you aren't exiting
    > Windows, everything is still in memory.
    >
    > - Go into Hibernate low-power mode. That copies the memory into a
    > disk file and powers down the host. Upon power up, the file gets
    > copied back into memory.
    >
    > Nothing runs unless it is in memory. If you don't wipe memory (by
    > powering down) then, yep, everything is still there for "instant on".
    > Hibernate works by copying the memory somewhere (because obviously
    > you are removing power) and then copying it back from the
    > hiberfil.sys file on the disk back to memory. So a faster disk means
    > a faster transfer to memory.


    I do that. From power-on to ready for work is less than fifteen seconds.
     
  14. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Ever hear of hibernating?
    "Winows Instant On" <Winows Instant On@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    message news:C8AB26F9-42D4-49B2-B41E-CA40230FF27C@microsoft.com...
    >I would be more than willing to buy a new version of Windows if it had
    > Instant On. As an old programmer and considering the quantity of memory
    > and
    > disk space that modern computers have, it is rediculous that we have to
    > wait
    > 4 or 5 minutes for the OS to start.
    >
    > If you don't have updates and the last session ended normally, there is
    > really no reason you can't just load memory with a saved image of the last
    > version with very minor modifications. If not instant, the OS should boot
    > within a couple of seconds at the most.
     
  15. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> écrivait
    news:-O$Fk91KlKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

    > bobster wrote:
    >> 4-5 minutes?? My windows XP/SP3 Intel dual 2.2 machine boots up
    >> ready to use in 45 seconds or less. That is not "instant on" but
    >> sure beats 4-5 minutes. There must other problems with your
    >> computer, unrelated to the OS
    >> that need addressing.

    >
    > My sentiments too. 4-5 minutes is ridiculous! Something is wrong
    > with his system here.
    >
    >
    >


    I just did a test on my Pentium4

    P4 - 3.00 ghz - 2 gb RAM (4x512 mb PC3200 400Mhz dual-channel)- 4 HD 2
    sata, 2 pata on PCI controller, 3 opticals on board IDE controllers.
    Windows is on a SataI hard disk.

    The BIOS took 35 seconds to load and detect everything, it took 1 minute
    to hear the Windows "welcome sound" (1:35 so far) another minute for the
    icons to begin to appear on the desktop and taskbar and the total time
    from "Push button to idle" was close to 5 minutes.

    On startup it loads InterVideo WinCinema manager, there's a OneNote icon
    appearing on the taskbar, a magnifier about indexing, APC PowerChute and
    ZoneAlarm security suite. It must load other stuff that don't have icon
    on the taskbar.

    Once loaded it works quite well and I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong
    with it.

    I did the same test on my Core2Quad, 2.83ghz, 8gb ram, 6 HD (4 sata-
    2pata), 1 sata optical, dual-boot XP-32bits/Seven-64bits.

    BIOS detect : 20 seconds, choosing OS : 1 second, overall boot time for
    XP 32 : 2 minutes 40 seconds

    With Win7-64, it takes about 1 minute overall including the BIOS
    detection time.

    I am not complaining, I am reporting the facts and I am satisfied with
    those computers performances, I think boot time is irrelevant if the
    machine works well once up and running.
     

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