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WIN 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Trimble Bracegirdle, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. Trimble Bracegirdle

    Trimble Bracegirdle Flightless Bird

    WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

    I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
    as my established Win XP .

    A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
    existing Hardware.

    The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks
    ....Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ...
    is all OK.

    BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
    THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(

    a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
    GRAPHIC TABLET ..

    In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick)
    The drivers & application appeara to install
    all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding .

    The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used.

    Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2
    way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them
    turning those lights on fully when its Run.

    There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ???

    I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
    & these Devices were all OK. there.
    There all some years old & do not have
    Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???)

    The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY
    comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!!
    & I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work.

    *(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi
    computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful
    complexity !)*

    But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out
    more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on.

    The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista
    & not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular
    thought.
    (\__/)
    (='.':]
    (")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy)
     
  2. Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
    > WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?
    >
    > I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
    > as my established Win XP .
    >
    > A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
    > existing Hardware.
    >
    > The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks
    > ...Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ...
    > is all OK.
    >
    > BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
    > THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(
    >
    > a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
    > GRAPHIC TABLET ..
    >
    > In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick)
    > The drivers & application appeara to install
    > all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding .
    >
    > The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used.
    >
    > Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2
    > way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them
    > turning those lights on fully when its Run.
    >
    > There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ???
    >
    > I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
    > & these Devices were all OK. there.
    > There all some years old & do not have
    > Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???)
    >
    > The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY
    > comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!!
    > & I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work.
    >
    > *(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi
    > computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful
    > complexity !)*
    >
    > But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out
    > more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on.
    >
    > The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista
    > & not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular
    > thought.
    > (\__/)
    > (='.':]
    > (")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy)
    >


    Have you actually tried the Windows 7 upgrade advisor? Have you checked
    with the manufacturers of all of your hardware to see if the devices are
    W7 compliant?

    --
    "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
    - Linus Torvalds

    DRM and unintended consequences:
    http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101
     
  3. Trimble Bracegirdle

    Trimble Bracegirdle Flightless Bird

    Yes .
    Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
    All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
    production.
    (\__/)
    (='.':]
    (")_(") mouse
     
  4. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:07:45 -0000, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
    <no-spam@never.spam> wrote:

    >WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?
    >
    >I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
    >as my established Win XP .
    >
    >A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
    >existing Hardware.
    >
    >I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
    >THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(
    >
    > a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
    >GRAPHIC TABLET ..


    If the modem has an Ethernet port, switch to that and don't look back.
    It'll cost you the price of an Ethernet cable.
     
  5. Darklight

    Darklight Flightless Bird

    Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:

    > Yes .
    > Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
    > All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
    > production.
    > (\__/)
    > (='.':]
    > (")_(") mouse


    you could always try virtualbox which you can install in win7 as a stop gap
    for the hardware that you can't use in win7. it is free.
     
  6. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-spam@never.spam> wrote in message
    news:hlqdf1$di7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Yes .
    > Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
    > All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
    > production.
    > (\__/)
    > (='.':]
    > (")_(") mouse
    >


    When you ran the WUA, was all this hardware on and running? Did you get any
    warnings about some of your hardware or software?
    A few more particulars would be helpful, such as PC type/manufacturer, CPU,
    RAM installed, etc. Are you using on-board USB ports, or are you hooking all
    this stuff through an external box? If so, is it self-powered, or externally
    powered?
    So far, I haven't run into anything that I couldn't get to work with Win7,
    USB or not, and some of my stuff is pretty old in computer years. Guess I've
    been lucky. I have to use Vista drivers on my all-in-one printer, but it
    works fine.
    One suggestion was to hook your modem up with UTP instead of USB if it's
    capable. I wholeheartedly agree with that, even if it means getting a $20
    internal NIC. My speeds are much better with a more consistent connection
    and fewer download errors.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  7. Conor

    Conor Flightless Bird

    In article <hlq823$lil$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Trimble
    Bracegirdle says...

    > BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
    > THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(
    >
    > a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
    > GRAPHIC TABLET ..
    >

    Have you actually bothered going to the manufacturers website and seeing
    if there are Vista or Win7 drivers for them?


    --
    Conor

    I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
     
  8. Maurice Batey

    Maurice Batey Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:52:32 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

    > So far, I haven't run into anything that I couldn't get to work with Win7,
    > USB or not,


    Running W7 'Home Premium' (i.e. one of the 'crippled' versions), I
    find that the Boot-US bootloader installer cannot write to diskette -
    even when I run it as Administrator: "Access denied".

    No problem formatting the diskette, Wordpad had no problem writing
    a test file to it, and I had no problem then deleting it - even
    running as ordinary user.

    Guess the Boot-US code is trying to do something dodgy...

    Found nothing relevant in a search on sysinternals.com.
    --
    /\/\aurice
    (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)
     
  9. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Maurice Batey" <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
    news:pan.2010.02.21.17.06.11.431304@nomail.afraid.org...
    > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:52:32 -0500, SC Tom wrote:
    >
    >> So far, I haven't run into anything that I couldn't get to work with
    >> Win7,
    >> USB or not,

    >
    > Running W7 'Home Premium' (i.e. one of the 'crippled' versions),


    Why do you consider it "crippled"?
    --
    SC Tom


    > I find that the Boot-US bootloader installer cannot write to diskette -
    > even when I run it as Administrator: "Access denied".
    >
    > No problem formatting the diskette, Wordpad had no problem writing
    > a test file to it, and I had no problem then deleting it - even
    > running as ordinary user.
    >
    > Guess the Boot-US code is trying to do something dodgy...
    >
    > Found nothing relevant in a search on sysinternals.com.
    > --
    > /\/\aurice
    > (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)
    >
     
  10. Nil

    Nil Flightless Bird

    On 20 Feb 2010, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-spam@never.spam> wrote in
    alt.windows7.general:

    > BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under
    > XP ... THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(
    >
    > a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a
    > USB GRAPHIC TABLET ..


    Scanners are always the first things to be abandoned by driver writers
    if it doesn't work now, I doubt it ever will. Especially for a 64-bit
    OS - I think separate drivers are needed, I believe.

    The hardware manufacturers are responsible for drivers, not Microsoft.
    I wouldn't call it a a hardware incompatibility, not a "Win 7"
    incompatibility.

    > I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
    > & these Devices were all OK.


    But was it 64-bit Vista? If not, I bet these devices wouldn't have
    worked there, either.

    A quick web search finds quite a few suggested remedies for similar
    problems - installing the drivers as Administrator, updating the
    motherboard chipset driver and/or BIOS, etc. So, there may be a
    workaround.
     
  11. mike

    mike Flightless Bird

    Nil wrote:
    > On 20 Feb 2010, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-spam@never.spam> wrote in
    > alt.windows7.general:
    >
    >> BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under
    >> XP ... THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(
    >>
    >> a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a
    >> USB GRAPHIC TABLET ..

    >
    > Scanners are always the first things to be abandoned by driver writers
    > if it doesn't work now, I doubt it ever will. Especially for a 64-bit
    > OS - I think separate drivers are needed, I believe.
    >
    > The hardware manufacturers are responsible for drivers, not Microsoft.
    > I wouldn't call it a a hardware incompatibility, not a "Win 7"
    > incompatibility.


    It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible with the
    hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of excuses.
    I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to continue to work!!!
    It may not support new features, but it should do at least what it used
    to do.
    Period!!!
    Microsoft has let us down in that area. Sorry for any inconvenience,
    my A$$.

    >
    >> I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
    >> & these Devices were all OK.

    >
    > But was it 64-bit Vista? If not, I bet these devices wouldn't have
    > worked there, either.
    >
    > A quick web search finds quite a few suggested remedies for similar
    > problems - installing the drivers as Administrator, updating the
    > motherboard chipset driver and/or BIOS, etc. So, there may be a
    > workaround.
     
  12. Maurice Batey

    Maurice Batey Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:37:03 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

    > Why do you consider it "crippled"?


    Not my description! Was used by other W7 users in another forum,
    probably because various options are missing here and there.

    --
    /\/\aurice
    (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)
     
  13. Maurice Batey

    Maurice Batey Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:06:20 +0000, Maurice Batey wrote:

    > Guess the Boot-US code is trying to do something dodgy...
    >
    > Found nothing relevant in a search on sysinternals.com.


    Turns out the Boot-US code *was* doing something dodgy.
    A corrected version now happily writes the diskette.

    Windows 7 exonerated...

    --
    /\/\aurice
    (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)
     
  14. Al Smith

    Al Smith Flightless Bird

    mike wrote:

    > It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible with the
    > hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of excuses.
    > I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to continue to work!!!
    > It may not support new features, but it should do at least what it used
    > to do.
    > Period!!!
    > Microsoft has let us down in that area. Sorry for any inconvenience,
    > my A$$.



    Tell me about it. I've got a perfectly good Epson Perfection Photo
    1260 flatbed scanner, and it won't run under Windows 7 x64. No
    driver for it. Epson can't be bothered writing one, and Microsoft
    just doesn't care.

    -Al-
     
  15. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    Al Smith wrote:
    > mike wrote:
    >
    >> It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible with the
    >> hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of excuses.
    >> I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to continue to work!!!
    >> It may not support new features, but it should do at least what it used
    >> to do.
    >> Period!!!
    >> Microsoft has let us down in that area. Sorry for any inconvenience,
    >> my A$$.

    >
    >
    > Tell me about it. I've got a perfectly good Epson Perfection Photo 1260
    > flatbed scanner, and it won't run under Windows 7 x64. No driver for it.
    > Epson can't be bothered writing one, and Microsoft just doesn't care.
    >
    > -Al-


    Hummm...MS has nothing to do with Epson drivers.
     
  16. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Al Smith" <invalid@address.com> wrote in message
    news:hluimo$fo6$6@news.eternal-september.org...
    > mike wrote:
    >
    >> It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible with the
    >> hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of excuses.
    >> I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to continue to work!!!
    >> It may not support new features, but it should do at least what it used
    >> to do.
    >> Period!!!
    >> Microsoft has let us down in that area. Sorry for any inconvenience,
    >> my A$$.

    >
    >
    > Tell me about it. I've got a perfectly good Epson Perfection Photo 1260
    > flatbed scanner, and it won't run under Windows 7 x64. No driver for it.
    > Epson can't be bothered writing one, and Microsoft just doesn't care.
    >
    > -Al-


    I feel for you and Mike, really I do, but I still don't see where it would
    be Microsoft's responsibility to insure that every single piece of hardware
    out there, no matter how old(?), would be compatible with it. If people
    think it's expensive now, imagine what that would do to the cost! If it was
    even possible to pull it off.
    And why should Microsoft care about Epson? Or HP, or Lexmark, or any of
    them? None of them obviously care for Microsoft, or the end user's problems
    with their proprietary software. I had an older HP printer that I loved
    since it would handle letter and ANSI B size drawings, but when I went to
    XP, HP didn't. I could still print and plot using the XP generic driver for
    it, but HP never came out with an update, and the printer was only 2, 2-1/2
    years old at the time XP came out. I lost a little of the versatility of the
    printer, but I still don't think that was XP's fault.
    But, that's just me. . .
    --
    SC Tom
     
  17. Zaidy036

    Zaidy036 Flightless Bird

    In article <hluimo$fo6$6@news.eternal-september.org>,
    invalid@address.com says...
    >
    > mike wrote:
    >
    > > It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible with the
    > > hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of excuses.
    > > I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to continue to work!!!
    > > It may not support new features, but it should do at least what it used
    > > to do.
    > > Period!!!
    > > Microsoft has let us down in that area. Sorry for any inconvenience,
    > > my A$$.

    >
    >
    > Tell me about it. I've got a perfectly good Epson Perfection Photo
    > 1260 flatbed scanner, and it won't run under Windows 7 x64. No
    > driver for it. Epson can't be bothered writing one, and Microsoft
    > just doesn't care.
    >
    > -Al-


    I found one for my 1650 Scanner that works great.

    So look here: (this is one very long URL)

    http://www.kvaz.com/index.php?q=epson+perfection+1260+vista+x64
    +driver.rar&search2=Search+files!&stype=all&S1=%3Ca+target%3D%22_blank%
    22+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kvaz.com%22%
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    +driver.rar+-+over+12+488+551+links!%3C%2Fa%3E&forum=[url%3Dhttp%3A%2F%
    2Fwww.kvaz.com%2Ffile_epson%2Bperfection%2B1650%2Bvista%2Bx64%
    2Bdriver.rar.html]epson+perfection+1650+vista+x64+driver.rar[%2Furl]
    &forum=%3Ca+href%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kvaz.com%2Ffile_epson%
    2Bperfection%2B1650%2Bvista%2Bx64%2Bdriver.rar.html%27+title%3D%
    27epson+perfection+1650+vista+x64+driver.rar%27%3Eepson+perfection+1650
    +vista+x64+driver.rar%3C%2Fa%3E&forum=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kvaz.com%
    2Ffile_epson%2Bperfection%2B1650%2Bvista%2Bx64%2Bdriver.rar.html
     
  18. Nil

    Nil Flightless Bird

    On 22 Feb 2010, mike <spamme0@go.com> wrote in alt.windows7.general:

    > It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible
    > with the hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of
    > excuses. I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to
    > continue to work!!! It may not support new features, but it should
    > do at least what it used to do.
    > Period!!!


    Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy world - that's not the way it
    goes. Unless Microsoft makes an explicit claim that a certain piece of
    hardware will work, out-of-the-box with Windows, then it's up to the
    manufacturer to supply the device driver. That's the way it has ALWAYS
    worked with EVERY version of Windows. That's probably the way it will
    always work. Get used to it... and urge the hardware vendor to release
    updated drivers. You're more liable to get results doing that than
    complaining here or to Microsoft.

    I just built myself this handy dandy digital butt-scratcher with a USB
    interface. Do you suppose Windows 7 supports it?
     
  19. Dave

    Dave Flightless Bird

    "Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
    news:Xns9D27A5E689252nilch1@130.133.4.11...
    > On 22 Feb 2010, mike <spamme0@go.com> wrote in alt.windows7.general:

    snip
    > I just built myself this handy dandy digital butt-scratcher with a USB
    > interface. Do you suppose Windows 7 supports it?


    I hope so and I want one. =D
     
  20. mike

    mike Flightless Bird

    Nil wrote:
    > On 22 Feb 2010, mike <spamme0@go.com> wrote in alt.windows7.general:
    >
    >> It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible
    >> with the hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of
    >> excuses. I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to
    >> continue to work!!! It may not support new features, but it should
    >> do at least what it used to do.
    >> Period!!!

    >
    > Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy world - that's not the way it
    > goes. Unless Microsoft makes an explicit claim that a certain piece of
    > hardware will work, out-of-the-box with Windows, then it's up to the
    > manufacturer to supply the device driver. That's the way it has ALWAYS
    > worked with EVERY version of Windows. That's probably the way it will
    > always work. Get used to it... and urge the hardware vendor to release
    > updated drivers. You're more liable to get results doing that than
    > complaining here or to Microsoft.
    >
    > I just built myself this handy dandy digital butt-scratcher with a USB
    > interface. Do you suppose Windows 7 supports it?


    You're welcome to your bend-over-and-take-it attitude.
    If XP could run my hardware device, there's no reason that W7 can't.
    The code is already written. It works just fine.
    M$ CHOSE to change things in a manner that caused a perfectly working
    driver to quit working. I don't care WHY they did it. I want them
    to continue to include the support they already had.

    My C: drive is 9gigabytes of M$ bloat. Another bit of bloat for legacy
    support wouldn't have killed them.

    Yes, I'm sure there are all kinds of excuses. I don't want excuses.
    I want those M$ geniuses to figger out how to make it work.
    You can bet if it had been a priority, it would have happened.

    This "throw away everything and start over" every few years has gotta
    stop!!!

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