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Where to get Outlook 2003 help now that newsgroup is gone?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by yuppicide, Jul 22, 2010.

  1. yuppicide

    yuppicide Flightless Bird

    Where can I get Outlook 2003 help the newsgroup is gone?

    I have a lady in my office who has her junk email setting on low. A bunch of
    genuine spam goes into deleted items. Great.

    One person she WANTS email from goes into deleted items every time.

    We right click the email and goto Junk, but Mark as Not Junk is greyed out.

    So, we right click, went into options and added her email to safe senders
    list.

    Doesn't work. She still goes into deleted items.
     
  2. Leroy

    Leroy Flightless Bird

    The official Microsoft Office Outlook Forums:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeoutlook


    yuppicide wrote:
    > Where can I get Outlook 2003 help the newsgroup is gone?
    >
    > I have a lady in my office who has her junk email setting on low. A bunch of
    > genuine spam goes into deleted items. Great.
    >
    > One person she WANTS email from goes into deleted items every time.
    >
    > We right click the email and goto Junk, but Mark as Not Junk is greyed out.
    >
    > So, we right click, went into options and added her email to safe senders
    > list.
    >
    > Doesn't work. She still goes into deleted items.
    >
    >
     
  3. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 7/22/2010 4:13 PM, yuppicide wrote:
    > Where can I get Outlook 2003 help the newsgroup is gone?
    >
    > I have a lady in my office who has her junk email setting on low. A bunch of
    > genuine spam goes into deleted items. Great.
    >
    > One person she WANTS email from goes into deleted items every time.
    >
    > We right click the email and goto Junk, but Mark as Not Junk is greyed out.
    >
    > So, we right click, went into options and added her email to safe senders
    > list.
    >
    > Doesn't work. She still goes into deleted items.
    >
    >


    It's not gone if you use a news server that isn't Microsoft's. I just
    subscribed to microsoft.public.outlook.general and there are 6053
    messages. Two free news servers are aioe.org and eternal-september.org,
    the former requires no registration while the latter does.

    --
    Alias
     
  4. C.L. Uck

    C.L. Uck Flightless Bird

    Those thousands of messages are from way, way back, you hoopleheaded troll.

    "Alias" <aka@maskedandanomymous.net.invalidado> wrote in message
    news:i29kjb$edq$2@news.eternal-september.org...
    : On 7/22/2010 4:13 PM, yuppicide wrote:
    : > Where can I get Outlook 2003 help the newsgroup is gone?
    : >
    : > I have a lady in my office who has her junk email setting on low. A
    bunch of
    : > genuine spam goes into deleted items. Great.
    : >
    : > One person she WANTS email from goes into deleted items every time.
    : >
    : > We right click the email and goto Junk, but Mark as Not Junk is greyed
    out.
    : >
    : > So, we right click, went into options and added her email to safe
    senders
    : > list.
    : >
    : > Doesn't work. She still goes into deleted items.
    : >
    : >
    :
    : It's not gone if you use a news server that isn't Microsoft's. I just
    : subscribed to microsoft.public.outlook.general and there are 6053
    : messages. Two free news servers are aioe.org and eternal-september.org,
    : the former requires no registration while the latter does.
    :
    : --
    : Alias
     
  5. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 7/22/2010 6:37 PM, C.L. Uck wrote:
    > Those thousands of messages are from way, way back, you hoopleheaded troll.


    I removed the expired messages and there's still over 6000. It's still
    quite active too.

    >
    > "Alias"<aka@maskedandanomymous.net.invalidado> wrote in message
    > news:i29kjb$edq$2@news.eternal-september.org...
    > : On 7/22/2010 4:13 PM, yuppicide wrote:
    > :> Where can I get Outlook 2003 help the newsgroup is gone?
    > :>
    > :> I have a lady in my office who has her junk email setting on low. A
    > bunch of
    > :> genuine spam goes into deleted items. Great.
    > :>
    > :> One person she WANTS email from goes into deleted items every time.
    > :>
    > :> We right click the email and goto Junk, but Mark as Not Junk is greyed
    > out.
    > :>
    > :> So, we right click, went into options and added her email to safe
    > senders
    > :> list.
    > :>
    > :> Doesn't work. She still goes into deleted items.
    > :>
    > :>
    > :
    > : It's not gone if you use a news server that isn't Microsoft's. I just
    > : subscribed to microsoft.public.outlook.general and there are 6053
    > : messages. Two free news servers are aioe.org and eternal-september.org,
    > : the former requires no registration while the latter does.
    > :
    > : --
    > : Alias
    >
    >



    --
    Alias
     
  6. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    yuppicide wrote:

    > Where can I get Outlook 2003 help the newsgroup is gone?


    The microsoft.public.* newsgroups continue to exist. Usenet continues
    to exist. It is Microsoft that is abandoning their 4-year experiment in
    trying to usurp Usenet. So just use a different NSP (newsgroups service
    provider), like albasani, eternal-september, or individual.net. Usenet
    isn't going away because Microsoft chose to run away. Stop using
    Microsoft's NNTP server. It is going away (but first Microsoft is
    killing it off through attrition).

    This is a general topic newsgroup for Windows XP. For Outlook, post in
    the microsoft.public.outlook[.general] newsgroups. The health of a
    newsgroup is not measured by its volume of traffic. It is alive if you
    get a response.
     
  7. Tim Slattery

    Tim Slattery Flightless Bird

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    >yuppicide wrote:
    >
    >> Where can I get Outlook 2003 help the newsgroup is gone?

    >
    >The microsoft.public.* newsgroups continue to exist. Usenet continues
    >to exist. It is Microsoft that is abandoning their 4-year experiment in
    >trying to usurp Usenet.


    Four years? The microsoft.public.* groups have been on Microsoft's
    NNTP server for something like 12 years. I know, because that's how
    long I've been reading them.

    As for usurping Usenet, that's ridiculous. Microsoft, like *many*
    other companies, hosted their own newsgroups to provide a place for
    peer-to-peer support. Of course, they were picked up by many other
    Usenet providers, where they continue to exist.

    > So just use a different NSP (newsgroups service
    >provider), like albasani, eternal-september, or individual.net. Usenet
    >isn't going away because Microsoft chose to run away.


    I agree entirely with that.

    --
    Tim Slattery
    Slattery_T@bls.gov
    http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     
  8. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Flightless Bird

    Actually 15 yrs Tim

    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
    http://www.microsoft.com/protect

    "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
    news:129h469qddjk7jg5lt7a7v5fpaac9dfr7u@4ax.com...
    > VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
    >
    >>yuppicide wrote:
    >>
    >>> Where can I get Outlook 2003 help the newsgroup is gone?

    >>
    >>The microsoft.public.* newsgroups continue to exist. Usenet continues
    >>to exist. It is Microsoft that is abandoning their 4-year experiment in
    >>trying to usurp Usenet.

    >
    > Four years? The microsoft.public.* groups have been on Microsoft's
    > NNTP server for something like 12 years. I know, because that's how
    > long I've been reading them.
    >
    > As for usurping Usenet, that's ridiculous. Microsoft, like *many*
    > other companies, hosted their own newsgroups to provide a place for
    > peer-to-peer support. Of course, they were picked up by many other
    > Usenet providers, where they continue to exist.
    >
    >> So just use a different NSP (newsgroups service
    >>provider), like albasani, eternal-september, or individual.net. Usenet
    >>isn't going away because Microsoft chose to run away.

    >
    > I agree entirely with that.
    >
    > --
    > Tim Slattery
    > Slattery_T@bls.gov
    > http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     
  9. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    Tim Slattery wrote:

    > VanguardLH wrote:
    >
    >> The microsoft.public.* newsgroups continue to exist. Usenet
    >> continues to exist. It is Microsoft that is abandoning their 4-year
    >> experiment in trying to usurp Usenet.

    >
    > Four years? The microsoft.public.* groups have been on Microsoft's
    > NNTP server for something like 12 years. I know, because that's how
    > long I've been reading them.


    The *newsgroups* (in Usenet) were established in 1996; see
    http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1996/apr96/nwsgrppr.mspx.
    Microsoft is dropping their "Communities" webnews-for-dummies interface
    to Usenet and hence their forum-to-Usenet gateway. When did they start
    the forum-to-Usenet gateway access method to give users a WEB-BASED
    version of the newsgroups? Microsoft setup their newsgroups about 14
    years ago. Just how long has it been since they setup a web frontend
    with a gateway to Usenet? I thought the Usenet gateway showed up
    sometime during 2006.

    Microsoft could have just killed off their webnews gateway to eliminate
    their Communities interface to the newsgroups. Instead they are
    dropping the newsgroups themselves (from their NNTP server). Well, if
    they kill off their newsgroups through attrition, why would they keep
    their NNTP server running? They aren't yanking away just the Community
    "forum" that gateways to Usenet. They're discarding the actual
    newsgroups themselves from their NNTP server. The foundation that was
    laid 14 years ago with the newsgroups is getting tossed while discarding
    the web frontend that gateways to Usenet.

    If Microsoft had stuck to just providing an NNTP server and let
    customers use NNTP clients to peer with each other, I doubt Microsoft
    would be making the claims that it does about the obsolescence
    newsgroups and as to why they are abandoning them. It is because
    Microsoft engaged in providing a *web-based* interface to Usenet that
    requires more resources than they are now willing to spend on that peer
    help resource. So, yes, *newsgroups* for Microsoft have been around for
    over a decade and a half but that's not what they're using as an excuse
    now for dropping them.

    Operating an NNTP server is cheap and even trivial to a company the size
    of Microsoft. Hell, even individuals can afford to fork out their own
    personal funds to setup and maintain an NNTP server and why albasani,
    eternal-september, aioe, and others exist. It is the cost of of
    developing, modifying, and maintaining the web app that provides the web
    interface to noobs and gateways to Usenet that they are eliminating.
    They're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It was more expensive
    then just operating an NNTP server. Since they are already expending
    the resources for a web forums, it probably seems logical to them to
    eliminate web frontend to newsgroups and just focus on their web forums.

    Does Microsoft have to toss the newsgroups because they no longer want
    to expend the money and resources for their Communities web frontend and
    gateway to Usenet? Of course not. They could just go back to operating
    only their NNTP server and dump the webnews-for-boobs interface (aka
    Communities). Do they find it a convenient excuse to do so? Sure,
    right along with all the ISPs that want to find an excuse to drop their
    newsgroups service, too. They have resources working on their web
    forums. They probably feel they don't need to waste or duplicate more
    resources on a another web frontend.

    Perhaps the biggest factor in dumping NNTP is that this service was last
    included in Windows Server 2003. Since that product is no longer
    supported, they also used that as an excuse to get rid of their
    Communities and its gateway to Usenet. They don't have an NNTP server
    in their later server versions of Windows. They don't want to maintain
    a host running an unsupported OS version. You and I know that software
    doesn't become obsolete or unusable just because it isn't supported
    anymore. Microsoft has another excuse.

    > As for usurping Usenet, that's ridiculous. Microsoft, like *many*
    > other companies, hosted their own newsgroups to provide a place for
    > peer-to-peer support. Of course, they were picked up by many other
    > Usenet providers, where they continue to exist.


    "Picking up" would only happen if Microsoft chose to peer their overview
    and articles database with other NNTP servers. They could've kept them
    a private list. Anyone can operate an NNTP server with a list of
    private newsgroups that only their NNTP server will carry. They don't
    have to peer unless they so choose. Lots of companies operate their own
    NNTP server for internal-only discussions. The outside world will never
    see them. Many companies operate NNTP server that don't peer to
    anywhere and you must connect to them to see their newsgroups. Being a
    private (non-peered) NNTP server could mean access is restricted or you
    have to go there and only there for those newsgroups.

    If Microsoft had started their own NNTP service but kept it private
    although publicly accessible (i.e., it didn't peer) then, yep, Microsoft
    deleting its newsgroups would mean they would really disappear - except,
    of course, for all the Usenet leeching web site that operate other
    pretend web-based forums via a gateway that have already archived those
    articles. Because Microsoft did choose to peer with the rest of Usenet
    to provide load balancing and reliability through redundancy is why
    those newsgroups will outlive Microsoft's choice to scamper away from
    Usenet.
     

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