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Where did Word and Works newsgroups go?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by BillW50, Aug 21, 2010.

  1. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word 2000.
    When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit working with
    the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make it start working
    once again.

    About a year ago, I was testing a number of XP systems and stopped
    updating Windows. This worked so well on my test machines that I stopped
    all of the rest of them. So nowadays I only get hotfixes that actually
    fix a problem that I am having. Although this one computer I restored
    from the Recovery CD just last week. And there are no new updates on it
    since 2005 (well just KB909095). And I never seen this problem before.
    Most likely because I always used updates in the past. So I am looking
    for a hotfix that will fix this problem. Anybody have any ideas?

    On Google I have found some references to this problem showing up if
    you have MS Works installed. This OEM version does have MS Works v8. I
    don't use it, but I hate to delete it just in case. As the only way to
    get it back is through the Recovery DVD once again.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  2. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    BillW50 wrote:

    > Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word 2000.


    Stop using Microsoft's NNTP server. Microsoft is scrambling away from
    Usenet. You'll need to use a non-Microsoft NNTP server to see the
    microsoft.public.* groups that Microsoft hasn't already killed on their
    NNTP server.

    microsoft.public.word.*

    Those newsgroups are still there. Maybe not on Microsoft's NNTP server
    but then Microsoft isn't Usenet. Use a different NNTP server, like
    Albasani, Eternal-September, individual.net, Giganews, etc.

    > When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit working with
    > the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make it start working
    > once again.
    >
    > About a year ago, I was testing a number of XP systems and stopped
    > updating Windows. This worked so well on my test machines that I stopped
    > all of the rest of them. So nowadays I only get hotfixes that actually
    > fix a problem that I am having. Although this one computer I restored
    > from the Recovery CD just last week. And there are no new updates on it
    > since 2005 (well just KB909095). And I never seen this problem before.
    > Most likely because I always used updates in the past. So I am looking
    > for a hotfix that will fix this problem. Anybody have any ideas?


    Save an image of the OS partition (which is probably also where you
    installed the apps). Do ALL the updates for however you have to spend
    since there are many that you didn't deploy simply because they might
    not have addressed a particular issue that you knew of at the time.
    Make sure to do all Windows AND Office updates. Then retest. If that
    doesn't fix the problem, well, you have the image to let you restore
    your host back to its partially updated state.

    Also uninstall any utilities that intercept the clipboard functionality
    in Windows, like ClipMate or ClipMagic or the many other clipboard
    managers available. I don't remember back to Word 2000 if it had the
    Office Clipboard feature at that time or it only relied on the Windows
    clipboard.
     
  3. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:i4pc8j$9n0$1@news.albasani.net,
    VanguardLH typed on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:17:29 -0500:
    > BillW50 wrote:
    >
    >> Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word
    >> 2000.

    >
    > Stop using Microsoft's NNTP server. Microsoft is scrambling away from
    > Usenet. You'll need to use a non-Microsoft NNTP server to see the
    > microsoft.public.* groups that Microsoft hasn't already killed on
    > their NNTP server.
    >
    > microsoft.public.word.*
    >
    > Those newsgroups are still there. Maybe not on Microsoft's NNTP
    > server but then Microsoft isn't Usenet. Use a different NNTP server,
    > like Albasani, Eternal-September, individual.net, Giganews, etc.


    Oh okay I gotcha! I do use other newsgroup servers, but I haven't used
    them for Microsoft newsgroups for many years. I guess it is time once
    again. ;-)

    >> When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit working with
    >> the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make it start
    >> working once again.
    >>
    >> About a year ago, I was testing a number of XP systems and stopped
    >> updating Windows. This worked so well on my test machines that I
    >> stopped all of the rest of them. So nowadays I only get hotfixes
    >> that actually fix a problem that I am having. Although this one
    >> computer I restored from the Recovery CD just last week. And there
    >> are no new updates on it since 2005 (well just KB909095). And I
    >> never seen this problem before. Most likely because I always used
    >> updates in the past. So I am looking for a hotfix that will fix this
    >> problem. Anybody have any ideas?

    >
    > Save an image of the OS partition (which is probably also where you
    > installed the apps). Do ALL the updates for however you have to spend
    > since there are many that you didn't deploy simply because they might
    > not have addressed a particular issue that you knew of at the time.
    > Make sure to do all Windows AND Office updates. Then retest. If that
    > doesn't fix the problem, well, you have the image to let you restore
    > your host back to its partially updated state.


    I am actually running off a restored copy on a totally different drive
    right now. I do this to test my backups and restores to make sure they
    actually work. It is terrible if you don't do this and just make backups
    for years and when disaster hits you later learn your backups are truly
    worthless.

    I have all updates for Office 2000 already which I forgot to mention in
    my original post. I didn't run it without the updates for Office 2000 so
    I don't know if the problem was there too before the updates.

    Over the past 20 years I have been burned so many times by updates for
    the OS system. So I really don't want any update that doesn't fix a
    problem that I am having. And since I don't get viruses, I don't value
    security updates either. And getting all hotfixes and security updates
    really does bloat and slow down your OS. So I don't like any unnecessary
    ones. Just the ones that actually fix something. ;-)

    > Also uninstall any utilities that intercept the clipboard
    > functionality in Windows, like ClipMate or ClipMagic or the many
    > other clipboard managers available. I don't remember back to Word
    > 2000 if it had the Office Clipboard feature at that time or it only
    > relied on the Windows clipboard.


    Yes I also use Smart Type Assistant v1.5 which stores something like the
    last 15 clips. And I also use PureText too (handy for pasting in plain
    text only). But I disabled both of these and no change.

    And yes Word 2000 does use the Office Clipboard feature. And I
    personally don't like it since Smart Type Assistant is far better
    anyway. And is there a trick to permanently disable the little bugger?

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  4. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    BillW50 wrote:

    > Word 2000 does use the Office Clipboard feature. And I personally
    > don't like it since Smart Type Assistant is far better anyway. And is
    > there a trick to permanently disable the little bugger?


    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;207438

    I don't like Office Clipboard, either, and instead prefer the ClipMate
    clipboard manager that I bought. However, I haven't yet had a conflict
    between Office Clipboard and ClipMate.
     
  5. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:i4pq33$70u$1@news.albasani.net,
    VanguardLH typed on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:13:40 -0500:
    > BillW50 wrote:
    >
    >> Word 2000 does use the Office Clipboard feature. And I personally
    >> don't like it since Smart Type Assistant is far better anyway. And is
    >> there a trick to permanently disable the little bugger?

    >
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;207438
    >
    > I don't like Office Clipboard, either, and instead prefer the ClipMate
    > clipboard manager that I bought. However, I haven't yet had a
    > conflict between Office Clipboard and ClipMate.


    Oh wow! That works very nicely. I made a reg file that should do the
    same thing if somebody looks this up someday.

    >>>>> Start <<<<<


    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\9.0\Common\General]
    "AcbControl"=dword:00000001

    >>>>> End <<<<<


    I like Smart Type Assistant and PureText because I never found anything
    that they ever conflict with. Plus Smart Type Assistant also has
    AutoCorrect and AutoReplace just like Word does. Except it works in any
    application. The reason why I was interested in turning off the Office
    Clipboard is because I never use it anyway and it is just annoying.

    Whoa! Guess what? Turning off MS Office 2000 clipboard seems to fix the
    copy and paste problem too. Wow, killing two birds with one stone. Many
    thanks VanguardLH.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  6. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    cf. http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx

    You will find support for MS Word in this forum now:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/wordcreate/threads
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


    BillW50 wrote:
    > Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word 2000.
    > When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit working with
    > the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make it start working
    > once again.
    >
    > About a year ago, I was testing a number of XP systems and stopped
    > updating Windows. This worked so well on my test machines that I stopped
    > all of the rest of them. So nowadays I only get hotfixes that actually
    > fix a problem that I am having. Although this one computer I restored
    > from the Recovery CD just last week. And there are no new updates on it
    > since 2005 (well just KB909095). And I never seen this problem before.
    > Most likely because I always used updates in the past. So I am looking
    > for a hotfix that will fix this problem. Anybody have any ideas?
    >
    > On Google I have found some references to this problem showing up if
    > you have MS Works installed. This OEM version does have MS Works v8. I
    > don't use it, but I hate to delete it just in case. As the only way to
    > get it back is through the Recovery DVD once again.
     
  7. Greg Russell

    Greg Russell Flightless Bird

    In news:uOlZafWQLHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
    BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> typed:

    > Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word
    > 2000. When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit
    > working with the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make
    > it start working once again.


    http://openoffice.org will solve all those problems for you.
     
  8. Craven Moorehead

    Craven Moorehead Flightless Bird

  9. Greg Russell

    Greg Russell Flightless Bird

    In news:i4ue03$rq7$1@news.eternal-september.org,
    Craven Moorehead <craven@cmoorehead.invalid> typed:

    >> http://openoffice.org will solve all those problems for you.
    >>

    > ..and create a whole lot more.


    Bullshit.
     
  10. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:8dfoerF73mU1@mid.individual.net,
    Greg Russell typed on Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:11:21 -0700:
    > In news:uOlZafWQLHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
    > BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> typed:
    >
    >> Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word
    >> 2000. When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit
    >> working with the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make
    >> it start working once again.

    >
    > http://openoffice.org will solve all those problems for you.


    I have and I have used OpenOffice and it is the most awkward office
    program I have ever used in my life! It only sports two views for one.
    Why so limited? And change to all upper or lower case is were you expect
    them to be. But sentence case is totally buried in the Font Effects
    menu. That is just brain-dead planning.

    Sun used to charge money for OpenOffice (before they called it that) and
    nobody would buy it. And I could see why nobody would buy it, because it
    is such an awkward program to use. And I don't even find it handy for
    plain text files either. To me, it is a very sad Office replacement and
    barely usable at all.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  11. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:i4q2qc$7o8$1@news.eternal-september.org,
    BillW50 typed on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:42:18 -0500:
    > Whoa! Guess what? Turning off MS Office 2000 clipboard seems to fix
    > the copy and paste problem too. Wow, killing two birds with one
    > stone. Many thanks VanguardLH.


    Oops! I can now confirm it is back again. As sometimes copy and paste
    doesn't make it to the clipboard. I have all Office 2000 updates.
    Although this time I avoided any Windows Updates and I decided I won't
    get any hotfixes unless they include a problem that I am having.

    I never seen this problem before. But I always used updates right away
    after a recovery OEM install. So I believe there must be a hotfix out
    there to address this problem.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  12. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    BillW50 wrote:

    > Greg Russell typed:
    >
    >> BillW50 typed:
    >>
    >>> Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word
    >>> 2000. When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit
    >>> working with the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make
    >>> it start working once again.

    >>
    >> http://openoffice.org will solve all those problems for you.

    >
    > I have and I have used OpenOffice and it is the most awkward office
    > program I have ever used in my life! It only sports two views for one.
    > Why so limited? And change to all upper or lower case is were you expect
    > them to be. But sentence case is totally buried in the Font Effects
    > menu. That is just brain-dead planning.
    >
    > Sun used to charge money for OpenOffice (before they called it that) and
    > nobody would buy it. And I could see why nobody would buy it, because it
    > is such an awkward program to use. And I don't even find it handy for
    > plain text files either. To me, it is a very sad Office replacement and
    > barely usable at all.


    Sun (now owned by Oracle - yuck) branched off OpenOffice from their
    StarOffice product. StarOffice is available separately and costs money
    to include support. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staroffice and
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.

    OpenOffice is still a damn good deal considering it is free but it does
    have too many deficiencies for anyone with MS Office to consider moving
    to OO. I had to ask OO newsgroups and forums on how to do many tasks
    that had no equivalent in OO (or, like you, to find where a function was
    hidden somewhere other than obvious). I got help but the workarounds
    were too damn cumbersome. For someone that has MS Office, OO isn't a
    good replacement. For someone that doesn't have MS Office, and
    especially doesn't use much of it, would find OO a free and workable
    solution. If you only use 10% of MS Office as do 90% of users then OO
    works as a subsitute (not as a replacement) when the money forked out
    for [a new buy of] MS Office is out of your own pocket and out of reach.

    Typically I just wait while using a saved search on eBay until a legit
    sale of an older version of MS Office is offered that is less than my
    threshold price. That's how I got MS Office 2003 Pro for $40 but I had
    to wait several months during which I rejected many iffy auctions before
    I got the deal. I figure in about another 2 or 3 years that I'll be
    saving a search of MS Office 2007 Pro when the 2010 version becomes more
    prevalent and absolutely needed by those engrained to the newer-is-
    better mantra of marketers and press.

    For some idea of market share for OO, see:
    http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Market_Share_Analysis

    Free isn't necessarily the surmounting criteria in deciding on a
    product. Someone owning a $4700 Beretta 682 Gold E Skeet O/U
    (http://tinyurl.com/23tzmhb) for competition skeet shooting isn't going
    to toss it because someone comes along and gives them a $400 Mossberg
    500 RoadBlocker (http://tinyurl.com/knsr9) for free. But both work if
    all you want is to knock some bottles off a fence at 5 yards. If they
    don't already have the Beretta and just as usable for home protection
    then the Mossberg fits the bill and much more cheaply. Free or cheap
    has a lot of lure for many consumers. It does for me, too, but there's
    no reason for someone that already owns MS Office to waste their time
    with OO on the same host.

    OO isn't a bad choice. It simply isn't an appropriate choice for
    someone that already has MS Office.
     

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