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What Will Be Your Last Post?

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Leonard Grey, May 27, 2010.

  1. Leonard Grey

    Leonard Grey Flightless Bird

    With the impending demise of the Microsoft newsgroups, we will all soon
    be making our last post. Time for all of us to think about what parting
    words we can leave as a legacy for future generations to treasure.

    I've been reading these newsgroups for well over 10 years, and have been
    a contributor for the last several years. At the beginning, I was as raw
    as a newbie gets, and I destroyed my copy of Windows 95 so much that
    Dell considered taking out a restraining order against me. Eventually I
    learned how to operate a computer well, thanks in no small measure to
    the help and advice I received through these newsgroups.

    Over time I developed an approach to using a computer that relies on
    careful preparation, continuous learning and common sense, and that's
    what I preach. That approach has given me - who has scant formal
    training in computing, all of it more than 30 years ago - enjoyable and
    stress-free computing. Really. Of course I have the occasional problem
    with my computer, but nothing I can't work my way out of, thanks again
    to my approach.

    It also helps to have the right attitude. If someone works themselves
    into a frenzy over the design of a button, or the placement of a
    toolbar, or some imagined privacy disaster that's really about
    nothing...well, they have problems that a computer wasn't made to solve.

    The newsgroups sure have changed over the years. These days, they're
    mostly a vast wasteland. That's not going to get better when they
    transition to "Microsoft BS Answers" (I may have gotten the name wrong)
    but at least Microsoft will have more success at stonewalling their users.

    But enough with sentimentality. If you want to be successful with a PC,
    here are my secrets:

    1- Prepare in advance before making any changes to your computer;
    2- Learn how to use a computer wisely, and keep learning;
    3- Always use common sense; and
    4- Take it easy.

    And for heaven's sake, backup.

    ---
    Leonard Grey
    Errare humanum est
     
  2. Tom Willett

    Tom Willett Flightless Bird

    My last post will be to post a Hooplehead alert.

    "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:-O9gY7Jc$KHA.5536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    : With the impending demise of the Microsoft newsgroups, we will all soon
    : be making our last post. Time for all of us to think about what parting
    : words we can leave as a legacy for future generations to treasure.
    :
    : I've been reading these newsgroups for well over 10 years, and have been
    : a contributor for the last several years. At the beginning, I was as raw
    : as a newbie gets, and I destroyed my copy of Windows 95 so much that
    : Dell considered taking out a restraining order against me. Eventually I
    : learned how to operate a computer well, thanks in no small measure to
    : the help and advice I received through these newsgroups.
    :
    : Over time I developed an approach to using a computer that relies on
    : careful preparation, continuous learning and common sense, and that's
    : what I preach. That approach has given me - who has scant formal
    : training in computing, all of it more than 30 years ago - enjoyable and
    : stress-free computing. Really. Of course I have the occasional problem
    : with my computer, but nothing I can't work my way out of, thanks again
    : to my approach.
    :
    : It also helps to have the right attitude. If someone works themselves
    : into a frenzy over the design of a button, or the placement of a
    : toolbar, or some imagined privacy disaster that's really about
    : nothing...well, they have problems that a computer wasn't made to solve.
    :
    : The newsgroups sure have changed over the years. These days, they're
    : mostly a vast wasteland. That's not going to get better when they
    : transition to "Microsoft BS Answers" (I may have gotten the name wrong)
    : but at least Microsoft will have more success at stonewalling their users.
    :
    : But enough with sentimentality. If you want to be successful with a PC,
    : here are my secrets:
    :
    : 1- Prepare in advance before making any changes to your computer;
    : 2- Learn how to use a computer wisely, and keep learning;
    : 3- Always use common sense; and
    : 4- Take it easy.
    :
    : And for heaven's sake, backup.
    :
    : ---
    : Leonard Grey
    : Errare humanum est
     
  3. bobster

    bobster Flightless Bird

    Well put, Leonard, especially the BACKUP part.

    I have come to believe that the only sure way to backup is to have an
    externally mounted hard drive and to clone (not image) your internal "C"
    drive to it weekly or more often, in essence having a "hot spare" at the
    ready at all times. I have been doing this for several years and it has
    saved my bacon on many, many occasions.

    Thank you and all of the others that have taken the time -- and shown the
    patience -- to help we bumbling users for so many years. We will miss you
    all.

    Gratefully Yours,

    Bobster

    ===================================================
    "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:-O9gY7Jc$KHA.5536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    With the impending demise of the Microsoft newsgroups, we will all soon
    be making our last post. Time for all of us to think about what parting
    words we can leave as a legacy for future generations to treasure.

    I've been reading these newsgroups for well over 10 years, and have been
    a contributor for the last several years. At the beginning, I was as raw
    as a newbie gets, and I destroyed my copy of Windows 95 so much that
    Dell considered taking out a restraining order against me. Eventually I
    learned how to operate a computer well, thanks in no small measure to
    the help and advice I received through these newsgroups.

    Over time I developed an approach to using a computer that relies on
    careful preparation, continuous learning and common sense, and that's
    what I preach. That approach has given me - who has scant formal
    training in computing, all of it more than 30 years ago - enjoyable and
    stress-free computing. Really. Of course I have the occasional problem
    with my computer, but nothing I can't work my way out of, thanks again
    to my approach.

    It also helps to have the right attitude. If someone works themselves
    into a frenzy over the design of a button, or the placement of a
    toolbar, or some imagined privacy disaster that's really about
    nothing...well, they have problems that a computer wasn't made to solve.

    The newsgroups sure have changed over the years. These days, they're
    mostly a vast wasteland. That's not going to get better when they
    transition to "Microsoft BS Answers" (I may have gotten the name wrong)
    but at least Microsoft will have more success at stonewalling their users.

    But enough with sentimentality. If you want to be successful with a PC,
    here are my secrets:

    1- Prepare in advance before making any changes to your computer;
    2- Learn how to use a computer wisely, and keep learning;
    3- Always use common sense; and
    4- Take it easy.

    And for heaven's sake, backup.

    ---
    Leonard Grey
    Errare humanum est
     
  4. Duane Hebert

    Duane Hebert Flightless Bird

    "Tom Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message news:#CFfKmc$KHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > My last post will be to post a Hooplehead alert.


    So WTF is a Hooplehead?
     
  5. Tom Willett

    Tom Willett Flightless Bird

    If you have to ask, you may be one.

    "Duane Hebert" <spoo@flarn.com> wrote in message
    news:-OVdRT$c$KHA.1068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    :
    :
    : "Tom Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
    news:#CFfKmc$KHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    : > My last post will be to post a Hooplehead alert.
    :
    : So WTF is a Hooplehead?
     
  6. Duane Hebert

    Duane Hebert Flightless Bird

    "Tom Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
    news:u$bXKvd$KHA.5536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > If you have to ask, you may be one.


    Googled it but only found hits involving posts by you.
    Most of those threads were terminated by <plonk>
    So one may assume that it means people that put you
    in their kill file <g>
     
  7. rob^_^

    rob^_^ Flightless Bird

    http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/anzac/lastpost.htm

    "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:-O9gY7Jc$KHA.5536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > With the impending demise of the Microsoft newsgroups, we will all soon be
    > making our last post. Time for all of us to think about what parting words
    > we can leave as a legacy for future generations to treasure.
    >
    > I've been reading these newsgroups for well over 10 years, and have been a
    > contributor for the last several years. At the beginning, I was as raw as
    > a newbie gets, and I destroyed my copy of Windows 95 so much that Dell
    > considered taking out a restraining order against me. Eventually I learned
    > how to operate a computer well, thanks in no small measure to the help and
    > advice I received through these newsgroups.
    >
    > Over time I developed an approach to using a computer that relies on
    > careful preparation, continuous learning and common sense, and that's what
    > I preach. That approach has given me - who has scant formal training in
    > computing, all of it more than 30 years ago - enjoyable and stress-free
    > computing. Really. Of course I have the occasional problem with my
    > computer, but nothing I can't work my way out of, thanks again to my
    > approach.
    >
    > It also helps to have the right attitude. If someone works themselves into
    > a frenzy over the design of a button, or the placement of a toolbar, or
    > some imagined privacy disaster that's really about nothing...well, they
    > have problems that a computer wasn't made to solve.
    >
    > The newsgroups sure have changed over the years. These days, they're
    > mostly a vast wasteland. That's not going to get better when they
    > transition to "Microsoft BS Answers" (I may have gotten the name wrong)
    > but at least Microsoft will have more success at stonewalling their users.
    >
    > But enough with sentimentality. If you want to be successful with a PC,
    > here are my secrets:
    >
    > 1- Prepare in advance before making any changes to your computer;
    > 2- Learn how to use a computer wisely, and keep learning;
    > 3- Always use common sense; and
    > 4- Take it easy.
    >
    > And for heaven's sake, backup.
    >
    > ---
    > Leonard Grey
    > Errare humanum est
    >
     
  8. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Duane Hebert" <spoo@flarn2.com> wrote in message
    news:-Ol7NTxf$KHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "Tom Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
    > news:u$bXKvd$KHA.5536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> If you have to ask, you may be one.

    >
    > Googled it but only found hits involving posts by you.
    > Most of those threads were terminated by <plonk>
    > So one may assume that it means people that put you
    > in their kill file <g>
    >


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Boarding_House
    Scroll down to the Legacy section ;-)
    --
    SC Tom
     
  9. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    Leonard Grey wrote:

    > With the impending demise of the Microsoft newsgroups, we will all soon
    > be making our last post.


    Only for users like you that figure the demise of Microsoft's NNTP
    server somehow will bring down all of Usenet. Uh huh. Giganews and
    Google will not be dropping the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. I quit
    using Microsoft's NNTP server a long time ago due to disappearing posts
    (which would still disappear on Microsoft's NNTP server despite showing
    up in other NNTP servers provided you posted using one of the other
    non-Microsoft NNTP servers so it was a peering problem to Microsoft and
    not to the rest of Usenet). Microsoft is leaving because the cannot
    control Usenet, and similarly Usenet will continue to survive despite
    Microsoft's choice to shutdown their NNTP server along with their
    pretend forums using a gateway to Usenet.

    I'll have to find out if my non-Microsoft NNTP provider will be
    discontinuing the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. Although there is no
    requirement to react similar to Microsoft's choice, some users have
    noted their non-Microsoft NNTP providers have already dropped the
    microsoft.public.* because they use Microsoft's choice as an excuse to
    reduce bandwidth and disk consumption.

    Guess you'll have to go find a non-Microsoft NNTP server. Some are
    free.
     
  10. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Bingo!

    Tom Willett wrote:
    > If you have to ask, you may be one.
    >
    > "Duane Hebert" <spoo@flarn.com> wrote in message
    > news:-OVdRT$c$KHA.1068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >>
    >> "Tom Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message

    > news:#CFfKmc$KHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> My last post will be to post a Hooplehead alert.

    >>
    >> So WTF is a Hooplehead?
     
  11. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    SC Tom wrote:
    >>> If you have to ask, you may be one.

    >>
    >> Googled it but only found hits involving posts by you.
    >> Most of those threads were terminated by <plonk>
    >> So one may assume that it means people that put you
    >> in their kill file <g>

    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Boarding_House
    > Scroll down to the Legacy section ;-)


    OMG! How old are you (and Tom)? <eg>
     
  12. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Prolly pointing everyone to
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads or
    http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=7

    PS: Well said! I didn't know squat 10 years ago (OMG!) until I somehow
    stumbled upon Win98 General newsgroup (via NNTP, no less) and several MVPs
    "took me under their wing." Two years later, I was one!
    --
    ~PAÞ

    Leonard Grey wrote:
    > With the impending demise of the Microsoft newsgroups, we will all soon
    > be making our last post. Time for all of us to think about what parting
    > words we can leave as a legacy for future generations to treasure...
     
  13. Rob

    Rob Flightless Bird

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
    > Only for users like you that figure the demise of Microsoft's NNTP
    > server somehow will bring down all of Usenet. Uh huh. Giganews and
    > Google will not be dropping the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. I quit


    I hoped for this as well, but then I discovered that there is some
    puppet that intends to send "rmgroup" commands for the
    microsoft.public.* newsgroups as soon as the Microsoft NNTP server has
    gone down.
    There is the risk that those rogue rmgroup commands will be accepted
    by many newsservers around the world, and that this will effectively
    break down the microsoft.public.* newsgroups hierarchy.
     
  14. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    Rob wrote:

    > VanguardLH wrote:
    >
    >> Only for users like you that figure the demise of Microsoft's NNTP
    >> server somehow will bring down all of Usenet. Uh huh. Giganews and
    >> Google will not be dropping the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. I quit

    >
    > I hoped for this as well, but then I discovered that there is some
    > puppet that intends to send "rmgroup" commands for the
    > microsoft.public.* newsgroups as soon as the Microsoft NNTP server has
    > gone down.
    > There is the risk that those rogue rmgroup commands will be accepted
    > by many newsservers around the world, and that this will effectively
    > break down the microsoft.public.* newsgroups hierarchy.


    I asked my NSP as to their intentions regarding the microsoft.*
    newsgroups. Below is a snippet of their response:

    ----------
    [...] Does Albasani have any plans on removing or discontinuing carrying
    of the microsoft.public.* newsgroups?

    No. I have disabled processing of Julien Élie's control messages
    and intend to treat microsoft.* similar to alt.* and free.*.
    ----------

    I have seen mention in other newsgroups regarding Julien's control
    messages. Whether an NSP honors control messages has always been their
    own choice, not Microsoft's.
     
  15. Duane Hebert

    Duane Hebert Flightless Bird

  16. Duane Hebert

    Duane Hebert Flightless Bird

    "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:hto1i4$rc6$1@news.albasani.net...

    > I asked my NSP as to their intentions regarding the microsoft.*
    > newsgroups. Below is a snippet of their response:


    Perhaps if someone knows a free NNTP server that will host these, they could
    post it here. My ISP stopped supporting NNTP. I use GMane for most of my
    groups but they don't host any MS groups.

    Why anyone would prefer these slow stupid web based things is beyond me. Sounds like
    a bunch of hoopleheads...
     
  17. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "Duane Hebert" <spoo@flarn.com> wrote in message
    news:eOSK18l$KHA.5848@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    > news:hto1i4$rc6$1@news.albasani.net...
    >
    >> I asked my NSP as to their intentions regarding the microsoft.*
    >> newsgroups. Below is a snippet of their response:

    >
    > Perhaps if someone knows a free NNTP server that will host these, they
    > could
    > post it here. My ISP stopped supporting NNTP. I use GMane for most of my
    > groups but they don't host any MS groups.
    >
    > Why anyone would prefer these slow stupid web based things is beyond me.
    > Sounds like
    > a bunch of hoopleheads...


    There's an NNTP Bridge interface to the new web forums - it'll let you use a
    newsreader to access them just like you can the ms newsgroups now. It seems
    to work, but I haven't played with it much yet.

    --
    Dan
     
  18. Rob

    Rob Flightless Bird

    Duane Hebert <spoo@flarn.com> wrote:
    > "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:hto1i4$rc6$1@news.albasani.net...
    >
    >> I asked my NSP as to their intentions regarding the microsoft.*
    >> newsgroups. Below is a snippet of their response:

    >
    > Perhaps if someone knows a free NNTP server that will host these, they could
    > post it here. My ISP stopped supporting NNTP. I use GMane for most of my
    > groups but they don't host any MS groups.


    My ISP has TWO NNTP servers. One with only text-based groups that they
    do support, and that carries microsoft.*. And one with binary groups
    that is offered as an unsupported service.

    However, the support department says that there are no official newgroup
    messages for the microsoft.* groups, and that they add/remove groups
    based on a simple script that compares their grouplist with that on the
    microsoft server.
    They will probably not remove the groups intentionally, but they explained
    me that a self-proclaimed microsoft.* group maintainer said that he would
    issue rmgroup messages once the microsoft server had disappeared.
    There is some risk that other server admins accept his messages and
    remove the groups.
     
  19. Duane Hebert

    Duane Hebert Flightless Bird

    "Dan" <news@worldofspack.com> wrote in message news:ulcUaCm$KHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > There's an NNTP Bridge interface to the new web forums - it'll let you use a
    > newsreader to access them just like you can the ms newsgroups now. It seems
    > to work, but I haven't played with it much yet.


    Thanks. I'll try that.
     
  20. Duane Hebert

    Duane Hebert Flightless Bird

    "Rob" <nomail@example.com> wrote in message news:slrnhvvek1.ubq.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl...
    > My ISP has TWO NNTP servers. One with only text-based groups that they
    > do support, and that carries microsoft.*. And one with binary groups
    > that is offered as an unsupported service.


    My ISP - Videotron in Montreal - has discontinued their NNTP servers. Their
    argument is that there is little interest with the web based groups taking over.
    Subsequently I need to find servers that I can access. I use borland, trolltech, microsoft
    and gmane. But I haven't been able to find a decent free one that hosts everything
    that I need. Losing the MS groups is going to be particularly annoying since we use
    that at the office for Visual Studio support.
     

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