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Trouble sync'ing laptop time outside of domain

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by AndyHancock, Jun 13, 2010.

  1. AndyHancock

    AndyHancock Flightless Bird

    I am reading the spine-tingling array of pages below in order to
    synchronize my laptop's clock with an external time server. I am
    using Windows XP Professional SP3, and the account I use is a an admin
    account. I am not on a domain, nor a work group. One of the first
    things I did was to check Services to ensure that the time service is
    running (it is).

    I've tried going through the GUI and using w32tm on the command line.

    Trying via the GUI
    ------------------
    This is basically right-clicking on the time in the system tray, and
    selecting "Adjust Date/Time". I tried with the following time servers
    URLs:

    pool.ntp.org
    0.pool.ntp.org
    1.pool.ntp.org
    2.pool.ntp.org
    3.pool.ntp.org
    time.chu.nrc.ca
    time.nrc.ca
    time.windows.com
    time.nist.gov
    time-a.nist.gov
    time-b.nist.gov
    tock.nap.com.ar

    I confirm that the time server URL is properly set using one of the
    following:

    w32tm /dumpreg

    reg query HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\Parameters

    Out of desparation, I turned off all firewalls (Kerio PSF 4, Windows
    Firewall, and the Speedtouch 585 DSL modem's firewall). The only
    thing I get is "An error occurred while Windows was synchronizing with
    the.time.servers.url". Before I turned off the modem's firewall, I
    would get a System Event in Event Log:

    The time provider NtpClient is configured to acquire time from one
    or more time sources, however none of the sources are currently
    accessible. No attempt to contact a source will be made for XX
    minutes. NtpClient has no source of accurate time.

    I tried to do more extensive testing, but could not turn on the
    Windows Firewall in order to feel safe doing so. That's another wild
    goose chase. The last link in Appendix B below says to use "SC sdshow
    SharedAccess", but I get the following error, so I dropped that avenue
    of troubleshooting:

    [SC] OpenService FAILED 5:
    Access is denied.

    Funny that this problem, caused by SP2, has not been corrected by
    SP3. That's a different story.

    Trying via wtm32
    ----------------
    I tried endless variations of the following:

    w32tm /config [/update] /manualpeerlist:"The.1st.time.server
    The.2nd.time.server ..." [/syncfromflags:MANUAL]

    w32tm /resync [/rediscover]

    The time servers in the 1st command are chosen from the above list of
    time server URLs -- sometimes with just one time server, sometimes
    with numerous (if not all) the URLs. The 1st command always completes
    "successfully", according the the response, and I confirm the time
    server setting using the above "dumpreg" and "reg query" commands.
    The 2nd command always fails with:

    Sending resync command to local computer...
    The computer did not resync because no time data was available.

    Unlike the GUI approach, this failure is always accompanied by the
    System Event quoted above.

    I noted that a time server set using wtm32 doesn't propagate back into
    the server field in the GUI. I suspect this is unrelated to the cause
    of my sync problem.

    Summing it up
    -------------
    This kind of research and experimentation can take days, and it is the
    Nth time I've undertaken to solve the time synchcronization problem
    "once and for all". Considering how prevalent this problem is on the
    web, and how my DSL modem can sync to NRC with mere seconds of effort,
    I wonder if the Windows implementation even allows for a simple and
    robust solution for a noncorporate environment. Is there such a
    solution?

    (I hope Windows 7 doesn't require the same pound of flesh and blood).

    Dying In Canada


    Appendix A
    URLs re. syncing local time to external time server with wtm32
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307897
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc757721(WS.10).aspx
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773013(WS.10).aspx
    http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=...=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=9ceddb59471f0aa1
    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...et-time-servers-from-the-vista-command-prompt
    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/dealing-with-windows-vista-time-sync-problems

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/76744/is_microsofts_time_warped.html
    http://www.pcguide.com/vb/showthread.php?t=59607
    http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&q=windo...=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=22885a39cf464f2b
    http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome
    http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers

    Appendix B
    Enabling Windows Firewall
    -------------------------
    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c...aller"+event+7023&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
    http://kadaitcha.cx/firewalls.html
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892199/en-us
     
  2. AndyHancock

    AndyHancock Flightless Bird

    P.S. Unlike the problem described in my original post below, the
    original problem, and my eventual goal, is to get automatic or one-
    touch synchronization working for my *non*admin account, which is also
    a domain account. However, it is a domain account on the laptop that
    hasn't been in contact with the domain for years. In fact, this
    account probably doesn't exist in the actual domain anymore. Granted,
    I really should move the contents of the account to a local user
    account, but that seemed to be a lot of trouble for no benefit...until
    possibly now.

    Currently, the sync problem as described below affects a local admin
    account, and so is not attributable to the domain-ness of the domain
    user account. If I solve the problem of the admin account, and I get
    synchronization working for a local user account, and if the solution
    does not work for the domain account, then I know I've got to migrate
    its contents (if it's still worthwhile -- I'm changing laptops soon,
    hence the former comment about hoping that Windows 7 makes
    synchronization much easier).

    ---------- Original message ----------
    From: AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com>
    Date: Jun 13, 5:56 pm
    Subject: Trouble sync'ing laptop time outside of domain
    To: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

    w32tm and syncing laptop
    ------------------------
    I am reading the spine-tingling array of pages below in order to
    synchronize my laptop's clock with an external time server. I am
    using Windows XP Professional SP3, and the account I use is a an admin
    account. I am not on a domain, nor a work group. One of the first
    things I did was to check Services to ensure that the time service is
    running (it is).

    I've tried going through the GUI and using w32tm on the command line.

    Trying via the GUI
    ------------------
    This is basically right-clicking on the time in the system tray, and
    selecting "Adjust Date/Time". I tried with the following time servers
    URLs:

    pool.ntp.org
    0.pool.ntp.org
    1.pool.ntp.org
    2.pool.ntp.org
    3.pool.ntp.org
    time.chu.nrc.ca
    time.nrc.ca
    time.windows.com
    time.nist.gov
    time-a.nist.gov
    time-b.nist.gov
    tock.nap.com.ar

    I confirm that the time server URL is properly set using one of the
    following:

    w32tm /dumpreg

    reg query HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\Parameters

    Out of desparation, I turned off all firewalls (Kerio PSF 4, Windows
    Firewall, and the Speedtouch 585 DSL modem's firewall). The only
    thing I get is "An error occurred while Windows was synchronizing with
    the.time.servers.url". Before I turned off the modem's firewall, I
    would get a System Event in Event Log:

    The time provider NtpClient is configured to acquire time from one
    or more time sources, however none of the sources are currently
    accessible. No attempt to contact a source will be made for XX
    minutes. NtpClient has no source of accurate time.

    I tried to do more extensive testing, but could not turn on the
    Windows Firewall in order to feel safe doing so. That's another wild
    goose chase. The last link in Appendix B below says to use "SC sdshow
    SharedAccess", but I get the following error, so I dropped that avenue
    of troubleshooting:

    [SC] OpenService FAILED 5:
    Access is denied.

    Funny that this problem, caused by SP2, has not been corrected by
    SP3. That's a different story.

    Trying via wtm32
    ----------------
    I tried endless variations of the following:

    w32tm /config [/update] /manualpeerlist:"The.1st.time.server
    The.2nd.time.server ..." [/syncfromflags:MANUAL]

    w32tm /resync [/rediscover]

    The time servers in the 1st command are chosen from the above list of
    time server URLs -- sometimes with just one time server, sometimes
    with numerous (if not all) the URLs. The 1st command always completes
    "successfully", according the the response, and I confirm the time
    server setting using the above "dumpreg" and "reg query" commands.
    The 2nd command always fails with:

    Sending resync command to local computer...
    The computer did not resync because no time data was available.

    Unlike the GUI approach, this failure is always accompanied by the
    System Event quoted above.

    I noted that a time server set using wtm32 doesn't propagate back into
    the server field in the GUI. I suspect this is unrelated to the cause
    of my sync problem.

    Summing it up
    -------------
    This kind of research and experimentation can take days, and it is the
    Nth time I've undertaken to solve the time synchcronization problem
    "once and for all". Considering how prevalent this problem is on the
    web, and how my DSL modem can sync to NRC with mere seconds of effort,
    I wonder if the Windows implementation even allows for a simple and
    robust solution for a noncorporate environment. Is there such a
    solution?

    (I hope Windows 7 doesn't require the same pound of flesh and blood).

    Dying In Canada


    Appendix A
    URLs re. syncing local time to external time server with wtm32
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307897
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc757721(WS.10).aspx
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773013(WS.10).aspx
    http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=...=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=9ceddb59471f0aa1
    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...et-time-servers-from-the-vista-command-prompt
    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/dealing-with-windows-vista-time-sync-problems

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/76744/is_microsofts_time_warped.html
    http://www.pcguide.com/vb/showthread.php?t=59607
    http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&q=windo...=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=22885a39cf464f2b
    http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome
    http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers

    Appendix B
    Enabling Windows Firewall
    -------------------------
    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c...aller"+event+7023&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
    http://kadaitcha.cx/firewalls.html
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892199/en-us
     
  3. Ǝиçεl

    Ǝиçεl Flightless Bird

    Do not use more than one firewall, 2 or more is a sure way to hit trouble,
    just as with AV's.

    "AndyHancock" wrote:

    > I am reading the spine-tingling array of pages below in order to
    > synchronize my laptop's clock with an external time server. I am
    > using Windows XP Professional SP3, and the account I use is a an admin
    > account. I am not on a domain, nor a work group. One of the first
    > things I did was to check Services to ensure that the time service is
    > running (it is).
    >
    > I've tried going through the GUI and using w32tm on the command line.
    >
    > Trying via the GUI
    > ------------------
    > This is basically right-clicking on the time in the system tray, and
    > selecting "Adjust Date/Time". I tried with the following time servers
    > URLs:
    >
    > pool.ntp.org
    > 0.pool.ntp.org
    > 1.pool.ntp.org
    > 2.pool.ntp.org
    > 3.pool.ntp.org
    > time.chu.nrc.ca
    > time.nrc.ca
    > time.windows.com
    > time.nist.gov
    > time-a.nist.gov
    > time-b.nist.gov
    > tock.nap.com.ar
    >
    > I confirm that the time server URL is properly set using one of the
    > following:
    >
    > w32tm /dumpreg
    >
    > reg query HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\Parameters
    >
    > Out of desparation, I turned off all firewalls (Kerio PSF 4, Windows
    > Firewall, and the Speedtouch 585 DSL modem's firewall). The only
    > thing I get is "An error occurred while Windows was synchronizing with
    > the.time.servers.url". Before I turned off the modem's firewall, I
    > would get a System Event in Event Log:
    >
    > The time provider NtpClient is configured to acquire time from one
    > or more time sources, however none of the sources are currently
    > accessible. No attempt to contact a source will be made for XX
    > minutes. NtpClient has no source of accurate time.
    >
    > I tried to do more extensive testing, but could not turn on the
    > Windows Firewall in order to feel safe doing so. That's another wild
    > goose chase. The last link in Appendix B below says to use "SC sdshow
    > SharedAccess", but I get the following error, so I dropped that avenue
    > of troubleshooting:
    >
    > [SC] OpenService FAILED 5:
    > Access is denied.
    >
    > Funny that this problem, caused by SP2, has not been corrected by
    > SP3. That's a different story.
    >
    > Trying via wtm32
    > ----------------
    > I tried endless variations of the following:
    >
    > w32tm /config [/update] /manualpeerlist:"The.1st.time.server
    > The.2nd.time.server ..." [/syncfromflags:MANUAL]
    >
    > w32tm /resync [/rediscover]
    >
    > The time servers in the 1st command are chosen from the above list of
    > time server URLs -- sometimes with just one time server, sometimes
    > with numerous (if not all) the URLs. The 1st command always completes
    > "successfully", according the the response, and I confirm the time
    > server setting using the above "dumpreg" and "reg query" commands.
    > The 2nd command always fails with:
    >
    > Sending resync command to local computer...
    > The computer did not resync because no time data was available.
    >
    > Unlike the GUI approach, this failure is always accompanied by the
    > System Event quoted above.
    >
    > I noted that a time server set using wtm32 doesn't propagate back into
    > the server field in the GUI. I suspect this is unrelated to the cause
    > of my sync problem.
    >
    > Summing it up
    > -------------
    > This kind of research and experimentation can take days, and it is the
    > Nth time I've undertaken to solve the time synchcronization problem
    > "once and for all". Considering how prevalent this problem is on the
    > web, and how my DSL modem can sync to NRC with mere seconds of effort,
    > I wonder if the Windows implementation even allows for a simple and
    > robust solution for a noncorporate environment. Is there such a
    > solution?
    >
    > (I hope Windows 7 doesn't require the same pound of flesh and blood).
    >
    > Dying In Canada
    >
    >
    > Appendix A
    > URLs re. syncing local time to external time server with wtm32
    > --------------------------------------------------------------
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307897
    > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc757721(WS.10).aspx
    > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773013(WS.10).aspx
    > http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=...=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=9ceddb59471f0aa1
    > http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...et-time-servers-from-the-vista-command-prompt
    > http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/dealing-with-windows-vista-time-sync-problems
    >
    > http://www.pcworld.com/article/76744/is_microsofts_time_warped.html
    > http://www.pcguide.com/vb/showthread.php?t=59607
    > http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&q=windo...=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=22885a39cf464f2b
    > http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome
    > http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers
    >
    > Appendix B
    > Enabling Windows Firewall
    > -------------------------
    > http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c...aller"+event+7023&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
    > http://kadaitcha.cx/firewalls.html
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/892199/en-us
    > .
    >
     
  4. AndyHancock

    AndyHancock Flightless Bird

    On Jun 13, 7:07 pm, Ǝиçεl <l...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    > Do not use more than one firewall, 2 or more is a sure way to hit trouble,
    > just as with AV's.


    I think on the whole, I agree. As I mentioned, I had all firewalls
    off (and could not even activate the Windows Firewall even if I wanted
    to). For me, Kerio is *the* firewall. The modem firewall has never
    really had any effect on anything and it's trivial to turn off. It
    just happen to come with the modem, so I turned it on one day to see
    whether it made any difference, and it never has. Like the philosophy
    of multi-layered defence, though marginally (if at all), and easy to
    turn off if it any undesired interference is experienced.
     

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