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Spk Icon Missing @ startup on older machine

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by John, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. John

    John Flightless Bird

    Hi::
    I have an older 866Mhz machine with Xp Sp3 home on it. This machine was
    upgraded from Me. Ever since the upgrade my speaker icon has been missing on
    startup. Everything works fine except that. the only way I can get the icon
    is to simply log off and log back on everytime I restart the machine.
    Needless to say, this isn't a whole lot of fun, but since the machine is
    seldom off I just consider it another downer one gets with old machines. So
    far I have just had another grumble at Mr. Gates and gone ahead and loged
    off and back on.

    I have Googled this problem and tried most of the solutions suggested
    (except manually massaging the registry). I even have a new audio/video
    card with new drivers.(for unrelated reasons). Same thing! This appears to
    be another unresolved MS problem as far as I can see. The important fact
    here is that IT WORKS FINE ONCE YOU LOG OFF AND BACK ON. Pardon the caps but
    that particular fact seems to put this problem in a category all by itself.
    Others have reported the identical problem.(including a neighbor with an
    older machine).

    Now I am just a dumb old engineer but here is the way I read what may be
    happening; Granted alot of stuff is trying to start on startup, and perhaps
    Xp is expecting things to move a little faster, but since this is an old
    machine, things (me included) don't move as fast as they should, and Xp goes
    ahead and starts up the next thing before the audio stuff is complete,
    thereby cutting the operation short. When it starts after a log off/log on,
    fewer things are happening to Xp and everything starts up in fine fashion.

    Does anybody have an easy solution for this situation (other than log off/
    log on)?

    Thanks in advance, John
     
  2. Patok

    Patok Flightless Bird

    John wrote:
    > Hi::
    > I have an older 866Mhz machine with Xp Sp3 home on it. This machine was
    > upgraded from Me. Ever since the upgrade my speaker icon has been missing on
    > startup. Everything works fine except that. the only way I can get the icon
    > is to simply log off and log back on everytime I restart the machine.
    >
    > Does anybody have an easy solution for this situation (other than log off/
    > log on)?


    Yes. Go to Control Panel -> Sound and Audio Devices properties.
    Uncheck the "Place volume icon in the taskbar", click Apply. Then check
    it, and click Apply. It should re-appear.
    The reason for it not appearing could be various. I've seen iTunes
    preventing this one and sometimes the power status icon in laptops.
    Another way to prevent it from happening, (if that was the reason to
    begin with) is to not log into your account right away when the login
    screen appears after reboot, but to wait about 30 seconds, and only then
    log in.

    --
    You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
    --
    Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
     
  3. John

    John Flightless Bird

    Hey progress!!!
    Unchecking the "show volume icon" and rechecking it isn't a permanent fix,
    but it does make the icon reappear when it is missing. I put a shortcut to
    the "Sound and Audio Devices" section of the control panel on the desktop
    and getting to the box for the "show speaker" icon now is sure faster than
    logging off and logging back on. Thanks much.

    Your idea of delaying logon is a good one but isn't appropriate for this
    particular machine. I must use auto logon because this machine runs our Home
    Control system and it must restart automatically if the power fails, (so I
    must use auto logon). Too bad there isn't a way to build an automatic delay
    into it. Hmmmm.

    Any additional thoughts?

    Thanks much again, John


    "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:i2ih53$2uj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > John wrote:
    >> Hi::
    >> I have an older 866Mhz machine with Xp Sp3 home on it. This machine was
    >> upgraded from Me. Ever since the upgrade my speaker icon has been missing
    >> on startup. Everything works fine except that. the only way I can get the
    >> icon is to simply log off and log back on everytime I restart the
    >> machine. Does anybody have an easy solution for this situation (other
    >> than log off/ log on)?

    >
    > Yes. Go to Control Panel -> Sound and Audio Devices properties. Uncheck
    > the "Place volume icon in the taskbar", click Apply. Then check it, and
    > click Apply. It should re-appear.
    > The reason for it not appearing could be various. I've seen iTunes
    > preventing this one and sometimes the power status icon in laptops.
    > Another way to prevent it from happening, (if that was the reason to begin
    > with) is to not log into your account right away when the login screen
    > appears after reboot, but to wait about 30 seconds, and only then log in.
    >
    > --
    > You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
    > --
    > Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
     
  4. Patok

    Patok Flightless Bird

    Hmm, that complicates things somewhat. I don't know a solution, but
    then I'm not a WinXP professional, just a user. :)
    I have a suggestion you can try to see if it works - with the Group
    Policy Editor (run gpedit.msc), enable "Run logon scripts synchronously"
    - the one in Computer Configuration/ Administrative Templates/ System/
    Scripts/. I don't know if it will have any effect, but then it might.


    John wrote:
    > Hey progress!!!
    > Unchecking the "show volume icon" and rechecking it isn't a permanent fix,
    > but it does make the icon reappear when it is missing. I put a shortcut to
    > the "Sound and Audio Devices" section of the control panel on the desktop
    > and getting to the box for the "show speaker" icon now is sure faster than
    > logging off and logging back on. Thanks much.
    >
    > Your idea of delaying logon is a good one but isn't appropriate for this
    > particular machine. I must use auto logon because this machine runs our Home
    > Control system and it must restart automatically if the power fails, (so I
    > must use auto logon). Too bad there isn't a way to build an automatic delay
    > into it. Hmmmm.
    >
    > Any additional thoughts?
    >
    > Thanks much again, John
    >
    >
    > "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote
    >> John wrote:
    >>> Hi::
    >>> I have an older 866Mhz machine with Xp Sp3 home on it. This machine was
    >>> upgraded from Me. Ever since the upgrade my speaker icon has been missing
    >>> on startup. Everything works fine except that. the only way I can get the
    >>> icon is to simply log off and log back on everytime I restart the
    >>> machine. Does anybody have an easy solution for this situation (other
    >>> than log off/ log on)?

    >> Yes. Go to Control Panel -> Sound and Audio Devices properties. Uncheck
    >> the "Place volume icon in the taskbar", click Apply. Then check it, and
    >> click Apply. It should re-appear.
    >> The reason for it not appearing could be various. I've seen iTunes
    >> preventing this one and sometimes the power status icon in laptops.
    >> Another way to prevent it from happening, (if that was the reason to begin
    >> with) is to not log into your account right away when the login screen
    >> appears after reboot, but to wait about 30 seconds, and only then log in.



    --
    You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
    --
    Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
     
  5. John

    John Flightless Bird

    Oops, can't find the group policy editor. I googled this and found that the
    group policy editor is not part of Xp home edition (which this is). There
    have been several things on this computer that appear to be very stripped
    down or missing. I just thought I wasn't looking in the correct area. I
    guess I had never associated these things with the level of the operating
    system. I thought it was just me.

    Any other ideas? Maybe I should just live with it?
    Thanks, John

    "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:i2km6u$2ui$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Hmm, that complicates things somewhat. I don't know a solution, but then
    > I'm not a WinXP professional, just a user. :)
    > I have a suggestion you can try to see if it works - with the Group
    > Policy Editor (run gpedit.msc), enable "Run logon scripts synchronously" -
    > the one in Computer Configuration/ Administrative Templates/ System/
    > Scripts/. I don't know if it will have any effect, but then it might.
    >
    >
    > John wrote:
    >> Hey progress!!!
    >> Unchecking the "show volume icon" and rechecking it isn't a permanent
    >> fix, but it does make the icon reappear when it is missing. I put a
    >> shortcut to the "Sound and Audio Devices" section of the control panel on
    >> the desktop and getting to the box for the "show speaker" icon now is
    >> sure faster than logging off and logging back on. Thanks much.
    >>
    >> Your idea of delaying logon is a good one but isn't appropriate for this
    >> particular machine. I must use auto logon because this machine runs our
    >> Home Control system and it must restart automatically if the power fails,
    >> (so I must use auto logon). Too bad there isn't a way to build an
    >> automatic delay into it. Hmmmm.
    >>
    >> Any additional thoughts?
    >>
    >> Thanks much again, John
    >>
    >>
    >> "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote
    >>> John wrote:
    >>>> Hi::
    >>>> I have an older 866Mhz machine with Xp Sp3 home on it. This machine was
    >>>> upgraded from Me. Ever since the upgrade my speaker icon has been
    >>>> missing on startup. Everything works fine except that. the only way I
    >>>> can get the icon is to simply log off and log back on everytime I
    >>>> restart the machine. Does anybody have an easy solution for this
    >>>> situation (other than log off/ log on)?
    >>> Yes. Go to Control Panel -> Sound and Audio Devices properties.
    >>> Uncheck the "Place volume icon in the taskbar", click Apply. Then check
    >>> it, and click Apply. It should re-appear.
    >>> The reason for it not appearing could be various. I've seen iTunes
    >>> preventing this one and sometimes the power status icon in laptops.
    >>> Another way to prevent it from happening, (if that was the reason to
    >>> begin with) is to not log into your account right away when the login
    >>> screen appears after reboot, but to wait about 30 seconds, and only then
    >>> log in.

    >
    >
    > --
    > You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
    > --
    > Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
     
  6. Patok

    Patok Flightless Bird

    Oh. I didn't know that Home has no policy editor - I'm on Pro. A
    quick google shows a registry key with a similar name, which presumably
    does the same thing:

    http://www.windowsnetworking.com/kb...sXP/RegistryTips/Security/AutomaticLogon.html

    You can try adding RunLogonScriptSync set to 1, like they show on
    that page, and see if it has any effect.


    John wrote:
    > Oops, can't find the group policy editor. I googled this and found that the
    > group policy editor is not part of Xp home edition (which this is). There
    > have been several things on this computer that appear to be very stripped
    > down or missing. I just thought I wasn't looking in the correct area. I
    > guess I had never associated these things with the level of the operating
    > system. I thought it was just me.
    >
    > Any other ideas? Maybe I should just live with it?
    > Thanks, John
    >
    > "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:i2km6u$2ui$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> Hmm, that complicates things somewhat. I don't know a solution, but then
    >> I'm not a WinXP professional, just a user. :)
    >> I have a suggestion you can try to see if it works - with the Group
    >> Policy Editor (run gpedit.msc), enable "Run logon scripts synchronously" -
    >> the one in Computer Configuration/ Administrative Templates/ System/
    >> Scripts/. I don't know if it will have any effect, but then it might.
    >>
    >>
    >> John wrote:
    >>> Hey progress!!!
    >>> Unchecking the "show volume icon" and rechecking it isn't a permanent
    >>> fix, but it does make the icon reappear when it is missing. I put a
    >>> shortcut to the "Sound and Audio Devices" section of the control panel on
    >>> the desktop and getting to the box for the "show speaker" icon now is
    >>> sure faster than logging off and logging back on. Thanks much.
    >>>
    >>> Your idea of delaying logon is a good one but isn't appropriate for this
    >>> particular machine. I must use auto logon because this machine runs our
    >>> Home Control system and it must restart automatically if the power fails,
    >>> (so I must use auto logon). Too bad there isn't a way to build an
    >>> automatic delay into it. Hmmmm.
    >>>
    >>> Any additional thoughts?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks much again, John
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote
    >>>> John wrote:
    >>>>> Hi::
    >>>>> I have an older 866Mhz machine with Xp Sp3 home on it. This machine was
    >>>>> upgraded from Me. Ever since the upgrade my speaker icon has been
    >>>>> missing on startup. Everything works fine except that. the only way I
    >>>>> can get the icon is to simply log off and log back on everytime I
    >>>>> restart the machine. Does anybody have an easy solution for this
    >>>>> situation (other than log off/ log on)?
    >>>> Yes. Go to Control Panel -> Sound and Audio Devices properties.
    >>>> Uncheck the "Place volume icon in the taskbar", click Apply. Then check
    >>>> it, and click Apply. It should re-appear.
    >>>> The reason for it not appearing could be various. I've seen iTunes
    >>>> preventing this one and sometimes the power status icon in laptops.
    >>>> Another way to prevent it from happening, (if that was the reason to
    >>>> begin with) is to not log into your account right away when the login
    >>>> screen appears after reboot, but to wait about 30 seconds, and only then
    >>>> log in.


    --
    You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
    --
    Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
     
  7. John

    John Flightless Bird

    Hi:
    Thanks, I think most of the links listed deal with enabling autologon, and
    passwords etc. I didn't see anything about running scripts synchronously. I
    think I am probably getting in over my head and experience tells me to leave
    well enough alone (sort of).
    Thanks again, John.

    "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:i2l4po$vk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Oh. I didn't know that Home has no policy editor - I'm on Pro. A quick
    > google shows a registry key with a similar name, which presumably does the
    > same thing:
    >
    > http://www.windowsnetworking.com/kb...sXP/RegistryTips/Security/AutomaticLogon.html
    >
    > You can try adding RunLogonScriptSync set to 1, like they show on that
    > page, and see if it has any effect.
    >
    >
    > John wrote:
    >> Oops, can't find the group policy editor. I googled this and found that
    >> the group policy editor is not part of Xp home edition (which this is).
    >> There have been several things on this computer that appear to be very
    >> stripped down or missing. I just thought I wasn't looking in the correct
    >> area. I guess I had never associated these things with the level of the
    >> operating system. I thought it was just me.
    >>
    >> Any other ideas? Maybe I should just live with it?
    >> Thanks, John
    >>
    >> "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:i2km6u$2ui$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>> Hmm, that complicates things somewhat. I don't know a solution, but
    >>> then I'm not a WinXP professional, just a user. :)
    >>> I have a suggestion you can try to see if it works - with the Group
    >>> Policy Editor (run gpedit.msc), enable "Run logon scripts
    >>> synchronously" - the one in Computer Configuration/ Administrative
    >>> Templates/ System/ Scripts/. I don't know if it will have any effect,
    >>> but then it might.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> John wrote:
    >>>> Hey progress!!!
    >>>> Unchecking the "show volume icon" and rechecking it isn't a permanent
    >>>> fix, but it does make the icon reappear when it is missing. I put a
    >>>> shortcut to the "Sound and Audio Devices" section of the control panel
    >>>> on the desktop and getting to the box for the "show speaker" icon now
    >>>> is sure faster than logging off and logging back on. Thanks much.
    >>>>
    >>>> Your idea of delaying logon is a good one but isn't appropriate for
    >>>> this particular machine. I must use auto logon because this machine
    >>>> runs our Home Control system and it must restart automatically if the
    >>>> power fails, (so I must use auto logon). Too bad there isn't a way to
    >>>> build an automatic delay into it. Hmmmm.
    >>>>
    >>>> Any additional thoughts?
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks much again, John
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Patok" <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com> wrote
    >>>>> John wrote:
    >>>>>> Hi::
    >>>>>> I have an older 866Mhz machine with Xp Sp3 home on it. This machine
    >>>>>> was upgraded from Me. Ever since the upgrade my speaker icon has been
    >>>>>> missing on startup. Everything works fine except that. the only way I
    >>>>>> can get the icon is to simply log off and log back on everytime I
    >>>>>> restart the machine. Does anybody have an easy solution for this
    >>>>>> situation (other than log off/ log on)?
    >>>>> Yes. Go to Control Panel -> Sound and Audio Devices properties.
    >>>>> Uncheck the "Place volume icon in the taskbar", click Apply. Then
    >>>>> check it, and click Apply. It should re-appear.
    >>>>> The reason for it not appearing could be various. I've seen iTunes
    >>>>> preventing this one and sometimes the power status icon in laptops.
    >>>>> Another way to prevent it from happening, (if that was the reason to
    >>>>> begin with) is to not log into your account right away when the login
    >>>>> screen appears after reboot, but to wait about 30 seconds, and only
    >>>>> then log in.

    >
    > --
    > You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
    > --
    > Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
     

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