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Security Essentials

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Rich Barry, Feb 3, 2010.

  1. Rich Barry

    Rich Barry Flightless Bird

    Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does
    anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about
    anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free version
    combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I should give SE
    a try.
     
  2. Bob I

    Bob I Flightless Bird

    Windows comes with a firewall.

    Rich Barry wrote:
    > Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does
    > anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about
    > anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free version
    > combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I should give SE
    > a try.
    >
    >
     
  3. Andrew McLaren

    Andrew McLaren Flightless Bird

    On 4/02/2010 08:00, Rich Barry wrote:
    > Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does
    > anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about
    > anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free version


    Hi Rich,

    Microsoft Security Essentials does not contain a firewall in its
    packaging, because there is already a Firewall built in to Windows XP
    SP2 and later.

    A combination of Windows' own firewall and MSE would give you firewall,
    antivurs and antimalware protection; with no need for any 3rd party tools.

    As to whether the Microsoft offerings are any better than 3rd party
    tools ... there's probably thousands of different opinions; many based
    on anecdote, subjective impressions, and prejudice :) FWIW, I've been
    using MSE and found it to be pretty good. It immediately detected the
    only infection I've encountered in recent times (and that virus wasn't
    even active; it was in the data payload of a non-executable file.

    Most antivirus apps work by means of a "filter driver", which inserts a
    layer of code into the stack of drivers that read and write to the disk.
    Any slight error here can be very destabilising for the entire system;
    AV software is notorious for casing blue screens and the like. One
    advantage of MSE is that it's extremely compatible with the rest of Windows.

    Hope this helps,

    Andrew

    --
    amclar at optusnet dot com dot au
     
  4. Anonamoose

    Anonamoose Flightless Bird

    Few users need a firewall other than what is built into Windows. If you
    cannot articulate in clear technical detail why the Windows firewall is not
    adequate for your specific needs you do not need any other firewall.
    The router that you inevitably use to access the internet has a hardware
    firewall as well which is likely the main firewall actually protecting your
    computer.
    Programs like Commodo, if you are not familiar with using them, can easily
    complicate local network connections.
    MS Essentials is no better or worse than a host of free programs like AVG so
    it comes down to personal preference.
    In my personal experience there is little advantage, and many disadvantages,
    to paying the exorbitant prices for retail antivirus programs. Your mileage
    may vary.
    If you actually get hit by malware it means your firewall and antivirus
    program did not work and you will end up using free programs like
    Malwarebytes before you are forced to reformat and reinstall.
    No program will protect your computer if you are not reasonably careful
    about what you click on when viewing websites.
     
  5. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "Andrew McLaren" <andrew@somewhere.com>

    < snip >

    | Most antivirus apps work by means of a "filter driver", which inserts a
    | layer of code into the stack of drivers that read and write to the disk.
    | Any slight error here can be very destabilising for the entire system;
    | AV software is notorious for casing blue screens and the like. One
    | advantage of MSE is that it's extremely compatible with the rest of Windows.

    < snip >

    That's a bunch of malarchy !

    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  6. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    "Anonamoose" <aetoo@hotmail.com> écrivait
    news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:

    <snip>

    > The router that you inevitably use to access the
    > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main
    > firewall actually protecting your computer.


    <snip>

    I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I
    misunderstood?

    (English is not my native language)
     
  7. Rich Barry

    Rich Barry Flightless Bird

    It's been so long that I forgot I turned off Windows own Firewall.
    Comodo works fine for me since I am not on a local Network.
    In the past MS efforts to protect my Computer have been less than
    adequate. Hence, I don't think of MS as a first line of defense.
    "Rich Barry" <rbarry@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:%235Io%23PRpKHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does
    > anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about
    > anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free
    > version combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I
    > should give SE a try.
    >
     
  8. Fuzzy Logic

    Fuzzy Logic Flightless Bird

    "Rich Barry" <rbarry@socal.rr.com> wrote in news:-O8P6YaSpKHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

    > It's been so long that I forgot I turned off Windows own Firewall.
    > Comodo works fine for me since I am not on a local Network.
    > In the past MS efforts to protect my Computer have been less than
    > adequate. Hence, I don't think of MS as a first line of defense.
    > "Rich Barry" <rbarry@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:%235Io%23PRpKHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does
    >> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about
    >> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free
    >> version combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I
    >> should give SE a try.


    You may find this interesting:

    http://lifehacker.com/5401453/stop-...ity-microsofts-security-tools-are-good-enough

    http://lifehacker.com/5433229/microsoft-security-essentials-ranks-as-best+performing-free-antivirus

    I have been running MSSE since it came out of beta on both Vista and XP and it's got a very small resource
    footprint and apparently does a very good job based on recent testing.
     
  9. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum <me@domain.net> wrote:

    > "Anonamoose" <aetoo@hotmail.com> écrivait
    > news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > > The router that you inevitably use to access the
    > > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main
    > > firewall actually protecting your computer.

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I
    > misunderstood?



    You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not
    needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a
    network, and there is no router used with them.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  10. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Got Google? =>
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+microsoft+security+essentials+include+firewall?

    Do any MSE-specific pages mention that it includes a firewall? (No.)
    http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials

    MSE Support Forums
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse

    MSE left beta in Oct-09.
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


    Rich Barry wrote:
    > Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does
    > anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about
    > anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free
    > version
    > combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I should give
    > SE
    > a try.
     
  11. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain>

    | On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum <me@domain.net> wrote:

    >> "Anonamoose" <aetoo@hotmail.com> écrivait
    >> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:


    >> <snip>


    >> > The router that you inevitably use to access the
    >> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main
    >> > firewall actually protecting your computer.


    >> <snip>


    >> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I
    >> misunderstood?



    | You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not
    | needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a
    | network, and there is no router used with them.

    But a NAT Router or a NAT Router with a full FireWall implementation is better than using
    a FireWall application in many respects.

    I recently upgraded from a plain NAT Router to a NAT Router with a full FireWall
    implementation and I ham very happy with it ability to "rules".

    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  12. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "Fuzzy Logic" <bob@arc.ab.caREMOVETHIS>

    | "Rich Barry" <rbarry@socal.rr.com> wrote in news:-O8P6YaSpKHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

    >> It's been so long that I forgot I turned off Windows own Firewall.
    >> Comodo works fine for me since I am not on a local Network.
    >> In the past MS efforts to protect my Computer have been less than
    >> adequate. Hence, I don't think of MS as a first line of defense.
    >> "Rich Barry" <rbarry@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
    >> news:%235Io%23PRpKHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does
    >>> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about
    >>> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free
    >>> version combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I
    >>> should give SE a try.


    | You may find this interesting:

    | http://lifehacker.com/5401453/stop-paying-for-windows-security-microsofts-security-
    | tools-are-good-enough

    | http://lifehacker.com/5433229/microsoft-security-essentials-ranks-as-best+performing-
    | free-antivirus

    | I have been running MSSE since it came out of beta on both Vista and XP and it's got a
    | very small resource
    | footprint and apparently does a very good job based on recent testing.

    Annecdotal information has shown that what gets past MSE isn't removed well by MSE even
    after MSE detected it. MBAM did what MSE couldn't do.

    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  13. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:47:15 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
    <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

    > From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain>
    >
    > | On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum <me@domain.net> wrote:
    >
    > >> "Anonamoose" <aetoo@hotmail.com> écrivait
    > >> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:

    >
    > >> <snip>

    >
    > >> > The router that you inevitably use to access the
    > >> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main
    > >> > firewall actually protecting your computer.

    >
    > >> <snip>

    >
    > >> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I
    > >> misunderstood?

    >
    >
    > | You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not
    > | needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a
    > | network, and there is no router used with them.
    >
    > But a NAT Router or a NAT Router with a full FireWall implementation is better than using
    > a FireWall application in many respects.



    Yep, no question about it. My point wasn't anything else, just that
    most people don't have a router.



    > I recently upgraded from a plain NAT Router to a NAT Router with a full FireWall
    > implementation and I ham very happy with it ability to "rules".
    >
    > --
    > Dave
    > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
    >


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  14. Rich Barry

    Rich Barry Flightless Bird

    Well, truly forgetting that XP had it's own firewall I did indeed
    come away with the impression after reading about MSSE that it
    did not have a Firewall. At the time that was very curious to me. So, I
    decided to ask the question? I should have added and why not? But, thanks
    for your contribution to this subject. MS MVP's are always valued.
    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:%23qzROnSpKHA.5696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > Got Google? =>
    > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+microsoft+security+essentials+include+firewall?
    >
    > Do any MSE-specific pages mention that it includes a firewall? (No.)
    > http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials
    >
    > MSE Support Forums
    > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
    >
    > MSE left beta in Oct-09.
    > --
    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >
    >
    > Rich Barry wrote:
    >> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does
    >> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about
    >> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free
    >> version
    >> combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I should give
    >> SE
    >> a try.

    >
     
  15. David H. Lipman

    David H. Lipman Flightless Bird

    From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain>

    | On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:47:15 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
    | <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

    >> From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain>


    >> | On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum <me@domain.net> wrote:


    >> >> "Anonamoose" <aetoo@hotmail.com> écrivait
    >> >> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:


    >> >> <snip>


    >> >> > The router that you inevitably use to access the
    >> >> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main
    >> >> > firewall actually protecting your computer.


    >> >> <snip>


    >> >> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I
    >> >> misunderstood?



    >> | You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not
    >> | needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a
    >> | network, and there is no router used with them.


    >> But a NAT Router or a NAT Router with a full FireWall implementation is better than
    >> using
    >> a FireWall application in many respects.



    | Yep, no question about it. My point wasn't anything else, just that
    | most people don't have a router.



    Some do and they don't know it as many newer DSL Modems are DSL Modems+NAT Router.

    Many on Cable are screwed as the ONLY have a Cable Modem.

    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
     
  16. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:09:31 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
    <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

    > From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain>
    >
    > | On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:47:15 -0500, "David H. Lipman"
    > | <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
    >
    > >> From: "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain>

    >
    > >> | On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum <me@domain.net> wrote:

    >
    > >> >> "Anonamoose" <aetoo@hotmail.com> écrivait
    > >> >> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:

    >
    > >> >> <snip>

    >
    > >> >> > The router that you inevitably use to access the
    > >> >> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main
    > >> >> > firewall actually protecting your computer.

    >
    > >> >> <snip>

    >
    > >> >> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I
    > >> >> misunderstood?

    >
    >
    > >> | You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not
    > >> | needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a
    > >> | network, and there is no router used with them.

    >
    > >> But a NAT Router or a NAT Router with a full FireWall implementation is better than
    > >> using
    > >> a FireWall application in many respects.

    >
    >
    > | Yep, no question about it. My point wasn't anything else, just that
    > | most people don't have a router.
    >
    >
    >
    > Some do and they don't know it as many newer DSL Modems are DSL Modems+NAT Router.



    True. But some--far from everyone.





    > Many on Cable are screwed as the ONLY have a Cable Modem.
    >
    > --
    > Dave
    > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
    >


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  17. mig-selv

    mig-selv Flightless Bird

    Ken Blake, MVP skrev:
    >> | Yep, no question about it. My point wasn't anything else, just that
    >> | most people don't have a router.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Some do and they don't know it as many newer DSL Modems are DSL Modems+NAT Router.

    >
    >
    > True. But some--far from everyone.
    >

    Ok, so now you tell us that most people live in the US of A? ;-)

    If you take the EU most people DO have a router!

    Kindly

    Mac, Denmark
     
  18. Roy Smith

    Roy Smith Flightless Bird

    "Doum" <me@domain.net> wrote in message
    news:XnF9D14B825EE803doumdomainnet@207.46.248.16...
    > "Anonamoose" <aetoo@hotmail.com> écrivait
    > news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >> The router that you inevitably use to access the
    >> internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main
    >> firewall actually protecting your computer.

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I
    > misunderstood?


    It's not. The only reason you'd want a router is if you had several
    computers and you wanted all of them to use the same internet connection
    (usually DSL or a cable modem). But if you only have one PC, then a router
    is not needed at all.

    --

    Roy Smith
    Windows 7 Home Premium
     
  19. Weavertech89

    Weavertech89 Flightless Bird

    windows firewall is not any good. I use avast on windows and thats it. I
    use smoothwall for a firewall for all my computers. runs as an OS on a
    different tower and it does everything for me. it is free open source
    and you can't beat it. But unless you are networking you don't need a
    firewall. but on your anti-virus question I don't think so, most are
    programs to protect and clean. but try it i guess.
     
  20. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    "Roy Smith" <rasmith1959@live.com> écrivait
    news:ea2SscVpKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

    >
    > "Doum" <me@domain.net> wrote in message
    > news:XnF9D14B825EE803doumdomainnet@207.46.248.16...
    >> "Anonamoose" <aetoo@hotmail.com> écrivait
    >> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:
    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>> The router that you inevitably use to access the
    >>> internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main
    >>> firewall actually protecting your computer.

    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I
    >> misunderstood?

    >
    > It's not. The only reason you'd want a router is if you had several
    > computers and you wanted all of them to use the same internet
    > connection (usually DSL or a cable modem). But if you only have one
    > PC, then a router is not needed at all.
    >


    I am aware of that, it's just that when "Anonamoose" said :"The router that
    you INEVITABLY use to access the internet...", it implied that a router was
    needed to access the net.
     

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