When I changed this machine from Vista to Win-7 I downloaded WLM for news groups. It's the only thing I use it for. When doing it I had been told here that you could choose different things from the Live essentials. I missed something when I did, because I loaded Windows messenger too. Every time I start the PC from complete shutdown it is asking me to set it up. Looking at the remove programs I cant find it to remove it. It does not pop up after re start from sleep or Hibernate, so it's not big deal if I have to just close it once a day, but if there is an easy way to just drop it I will. -- To err is human..... But to blame someone else shows management potential.