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>>>>>>>>>>> Reminder Newsgroups EOL <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP], Jun 6, 2010.

  1. Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]

    Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] Flightless Bird

    *This is a edited repost of an earlier Microsoft message.
    (No this is not a joke) - Russ Grover MVP

    I'm reposting this because I've noticed some Public newsgroups Drop off
    today.
    And it is a matter of time before this one is dropped also.

    >>>>>>>>>>> Reminder Newsgroups EOL <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


    What is Happening?
    This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing
    newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums.

    Why?
    As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the
    traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the
    past several years while customers and participants are increasingly finding
    solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. This
    move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier
    for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies and
    make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through
    improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam
    management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging a
    healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will
    begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology
    and discontinue support for newsgroups.

    In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those
    users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
    newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge
    which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the
    forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP reader
    functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the

    Microsoft NNTP Bridge
    http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/

    Another "Non Microsoft" support NNTP Bridge can be found here
    MS Web-Forums via an open source NNTP newsserver (bridge).
    http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/

    Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown?
    All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and
    October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased approach,
    starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more
    active ones throughout the course of the next six months.

    Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup?
    Microsoft has a large selection of forums, many of which cover either the
    same or closely related technologies to the ones found in the newsgroups.
    The forums have seen amazing growth and are an excellent place to continue
    the discussion.

    For XP related questions we recommend that you start with Public Forum
    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads

    Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Public Forums, please go to
    http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx

    Who Should I Contact with any Questions?
    Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to
    NNTP@microsoft.com


    --
    Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
    MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
    Remote Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
    BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
     
  2. spamlet

    spamlet Flightless Bird

    Do we need both the 'Answers only' and the 'Forums' bridges, or does the
    'Forums' bridge include the 'Answers' bridge?

    Cheers,
    S


    "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
    news:471CD045-BA0B-4797-826E-EF6D91F28277@microsoft.com...
    > *This is a edited repost of an earlier Microsoft message.
    > (No this is not a joke) - Russ Grover MVP
    >
    > I'm reposting this because I've noticed some Public newsgroups Drop off
    > today.
    > And it is a matter of time before this one is dropped also.
    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Reminder Newsgroups EOL <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    >
    > What is Happening?
    > This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing
    > newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums.
    >
    > Why?
    > As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the
    > traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the
    > past several years while customers and participants are increasingly
    > finding
    > solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites.
    > This
    > move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it
    > easier
    > for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies
    > and
    > make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through
    > improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam
    > management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging
    > a
    > healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft
    > will
    > begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology
    > and discontinue support for newsgroups.
    >
    > In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those
    > users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
    > newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge
    > which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the
    > forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP
    > reader
    > functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up
    > the
    >
    > Microsoft NNTP Bridge
    > http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/
    >
    > Another "Non Microsoft" support NNTP Bridge can be found here
    > MS Web-Forums via an open source NNTP newsserver (bridge).
    > http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
    >
    > Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown?
    > All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and
    > October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased
    > approach,
    > starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more
    > active ones throughout the course of the next six months.
    >
    > Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup?
    > Microsoft has a large selection of forums, many of which cover either the
    > same or closely related technologies to the ones found in the newsgroups.
    > The forums have seen amazing growth and are an excellent place to continue
    > the discussion.
    >
    > For XP related questions we recommend that you start with Public Forum
    > http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads
    >
    > Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Public Forums, please go to
    > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx
    >
    > Who Should I Contact with any Questions?
    > Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to
    > NNTP@microsoft.com
    >
    >
    > --
    > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
    > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
    > Remote Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
    > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
    >
    >
     
  3. MowGreen

    MowGreen Flightless Bird

    spamlet wrote:
    > Do we need both the 'Answers only' and the 'Forums' bridges, or does the
    > 'Forums' bridge include the 'Answers' bridge?
    >
    > Cheers,
    > S



    " Another "Non Microsoft" support NNTP Bridge can be found here
    MS Web-Forums via an open source NNTP newsserver (bridge).
    http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/ "

    The Community bridge can do *both* forums, unlike the NNTP bridge from
    Connect.


    MowGreen
    ================
    *-343-* FDNY
    Never Forgotten
    ================

    banthecheck.com
    "Security updates should *never* have *non-security content* prechecked
     
  4. Tim Slattery

    Tim Slattery Flightless Bird

    "spamlet" <spam.morespam@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    >Do we need both the 'Answers only' and the 'Forums' bridges, or does the
    >'Forums' bridge include the 'Answers' bridge?


    If you use Microsoft's bridges you need two, one for Forums and one
    for Answers. There are now two alternatives. First, MVP Jochen
    Kalmbach's bridge:


    http://blog.kalmbach-software.de/2010/05/26/ann-community-forums-nntp-bridge/
    http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/

    That will let you use one program for both sets of groups. The other
    was just announced (at least I saw no announcement before today).
    Here's the announcement:

    *******************

    SSI is please announce wcLEX - Wildcat! Live Exchange!, a free NNTP
    Proxy Server for the Microsoft Web-based Mail Support Forums.

    With wcLEX, Microsoft Users and Developers can continue to enjoy using
    their News Reader for accessing the new mail groups.

    You can download wcLEX 1.0a pre-release version from here:

    http://opensite.winserver.com/wclex/wclex-1-0a-setup.msi
    http://opensite.winserver.com/wclex/wclex-1-0a-setup.zip

    Please use this support newsgroup

    news://opensite.winserver.com

    to report any issues or to make suggestions.

    ****************************

    I think his use of "mail groups" is totally wrong, the "forums" have
    nothing to with mail. Other than that, I know nothing about this
    product.

    --
    Tim Slattery
    Slattery_T@bls.gov
    http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     
  5. Spamlet

    Spamlet Flightless Bird

    "MowGreen" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message
    news:-OR5rH2lBLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > spamlet wrote:
    >> Do we need both the 'Answers only' and the 'Forums' bridges, or does the
    >> 'Forums' bridge include the 'Answers' bridge?
    >>
    >> Cheers,
    >> S

    >
    >
    > " Another "Non Microsoft" support NNTP Bridge can be found here
    > MS Web-Forums via an open source NNTP newsserver (bridge).
    > http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/ "
    >
    > The Community bridge can do *both* forums, unlike the NNTP bridge from
    > Connect.
    >
    >
    > MowGreen
    > ================



    Thanks to you both:

    Having now discovered eternal-september and found these groups still going
    there including microsoft.public.outlook, which disappeared from it's usual
    place yesterday (and prompted my following this thread): do I now need to
    bother with these 'bridges' at all?

    Cheers,

    S
     
  6. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    1. microsoft.public.outlook.general is still up & running on the MS
    newsserver.

    2. NNTP Bridge has nothing to do with newsgroups. With NNTP Bridge
    installed, you'd be able to access (MS) MSDN, TechNet, Expression, and
    Answers forums in your newsreader.


    Spamlet wrote:
    <snip>
    > Having now discovered eternal-september and found these groups still going
    > there including microsoft.public.outlook, which disappeared from it's
    > usual
    > place yesterday (and prompted my following this thread): do I now need to
    > bother with these 'bridges' at all?
     
  7. Spamlet

    Spamlet Flightless Bird

    Ah, but my questions watched on msp.outlook disappeared along wit the group
    yesterday, but I now have it back via eternal-september.

    So, in view of the generally excellent responses in the existing groups, is
    there any point or need to add the extra 'bridges' to other fora?

    S


    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:-OHuGErmBLHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > 1. microsoft.public.outlook.general is still up & running on the MS
    > newsserver.
    >
    > 2. NNTP Bridge has nothing to do with newsgroups. With NNTP Bridge
    > installed, you'd be able to access (MS) MSDN, TechNet, Expression, and
    > Answers forums in your newsreader.
    >
    >
    > Spamlet wrote:
    > <snip>
    >> Having now discovered eternal-september and found these groups still
    >> going
    >> there including microsoft.public.outlook, which disappeared from it's
    >> usual
    >> place yesterday (and prompted my following this thread): do I now need to
    >> bother with these 'bridges' at all?

    >
     
  8. Tim Slattery

    Tim Slattery Flightless Bird

    "Spamlet" <spam.morespam@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    >Having now discovered eternal-september and found these groups still going
    >there including microsoft.public.outlook, which disappeared from it's usual
    >place yesterday (and prompted my following this thread): do I now need to
    >bother with these 'bridges' at all?


    No. The bridges let you access the MS web forums using your
    newsreader. If you're happy with the groups you've found, you don't
    need to worry about them.

    --
    Tim Slattery
    Slattery_T@bls.gov
    http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     
  9. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    "Spamlet" <spam.morespam@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hujhur$78b$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    : Ah, but my questions watched on msp.outlook disappeared along wit the
    group
    : yesterday, but I now have it back via eternal-september.
    :
    : So, in view of the generally excellent responses in the existing groups,
    is
    : there any point or need to add the extra 'bridges' to other fora?
    :
    The generally excellent responses will be slowly but surely fading away as
    the MVPs and experts make their migration. Especially since MVPs won't get
    credit anymore for the NNTP newsgroups.
     
  10. Spamlet

    Spamlet Flightless Bird

    "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
    news:65kq06pa6ehn0gmtk8h1pre1glauhlp8b9@4ax.com...
    > "Spamlet" <spam.morespam@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >>Having now discovered eternal-september and found these groups still going
    >>there including microsoft.public.outlook, which disappeared from it's
    >>usual
    >>place yesterday (and prompted my following this thread): do I now need to
    >>bother with these 'bridges' at all?

    >
    > No. The bridges let you access the MS web forums using your
    > newsreader. If you're happy with the groups you've found, you don't
    > need to worry about them.
    >
    > --
    > Tim Slattery
    > Slattery_T@bls.gov
    > http://members.cox.net/slatteryt


    Cheers for clearing that up for me Tim.

    S
     
  11. Bert Hyman

    Bert Hyman Flightless Bird

    In news:65kq06pa6ehn0gmtk8h1pre1glauhlp8b9@4ax.com Tim Slattery
    <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote:

    > "Spamlet" <spam.morespam@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >>Having now discovered eternal-september and found these groups still
    >>going there including microsoft.public.outlook, which disappeared from
    >>it's usual place yesterday (and prompted my following this thread): do
    >>I now need to bother with these 'bridges' at all?

    >
    > No. The bridges let you access the MS web forums using your
    > newsreader. If you're happy with the groups you've found, you don't
    > need to worry about them.
    >


    However, unless someone's going to the trouble of pushing all traffic in
    the Web forums out into USENET, nothing that's posted in any of the
    forums will show up in any of the microsoft.* newsgroups you'll find in
    the outside world. And, nothing you post in any microsoft.* newsgroup in
    the outside world will find its way into any forum.

    --
    Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
     
  12. Jeff Stanton

    Jeff Stanton Flightless Bird

    OK. I've gotten a Windows Live ID, set up the NNTP Bridge software, selected
    the forums I want to work in. Now what? How do I actually receive
    information? I seem to be missing something here. (See below)
    Jeff


    --
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
    Richard Feynman
    Nobel Prize Physicist
    "Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9D90BA29A9167VeebleFetzer@207.46.248.16...
    > In news:65kq06pa6ehn0gmtk8h1pre1glauhlp8b9@4ax.com Tim Slattery
    > <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote:
    >
    >> "Spamlet" <spam.morespam@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Having now discovered eternal-september and found these groups still
    >>>going there including microsoft.public.outlook, which disappeared from
    >>>it's usual place yesterday (and prompted my following this thread): do
    >>>I now need to bother with these 'bridges' at all?

    >>
    >> No. The bridges let you access the MS web forums using your
    >> newsreader. If you're happy with the groups you've found, you don't
    >> need to worry about them.
    >>

    >
    > However, unless someone's going to the trouble of pushing all traffic in
    > the Web forums out into USENET, nothing that's posted in any of the
    > forums will show up in any of the microsoft.* newsgroups you'll find in
    > the outside world. And, nothing you post in any microsoft.* newsgroup in
    > the outside world will find its way into any forum.
    >
    > --
    > Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
     
  13. Eddie

    Eddie Flightless Bird

    Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] wrote:
    --------------

    What a charming and eloquent way you put things. And, also the way you
    make it 'seem', that you are doing the usenet users a favour. What a
    croc of S**T.
    Not one person in usenet wants to see it cease, so what you are actually
    doing is pissin' people off rather than appeasing them; just like telly
    stations, they work the same way.

    Stick it!! Mr Public Relations Officer.

    Ed
    (felt like tossing in two bobs worth.)
     
  14. Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]

    Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] Flightless Bird

    Ed

    I am just reposting a Microsoft post a as friendly warning
    that msnews.microsoft.com will be going away.

    Yes there are other servers that will pick up this group
    however there will not be any "Microsoft"
    Personal Monitoring them.

    This may not mean anything to you, however
    I do believe that others would like to have Microsoft's
    Feedback on their products.

    As with all information you find on usenets groups
    you are free to give your opinion and use this information
    as you wish.

    Have a great day :)
    And thank you for using Microsoft.
    Russ

    --
    Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
    MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
    Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
    Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
    BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com


    "Eddie" <albert@greenacres.far> wrote in message
    news:eo95rAxBLHA.4308@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] wrote:
    > --------------
    >
    > What a charming and eloquent way you put things. And, also the way you
    > make it 'seem', that you are doing the usenet users a favour. What a croc
    > of S**T.
    > Not one person in usenet wants to see it cease, so what you are actually
    > doing is pissin' people off rather than appeasing them; just like telly
    > stations, they work the same way.
    >
    > Stick it!! Mr Public Relations Officer.
    >
    > Ed
    > (felt like tossing in two bobs worth.)
     
  15. Tim Slattery

    Tim Slattery Flightless Bird

    "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote:

    >Ed
    >
    >I am just reposting a Microsoft post a as friendly warning
    >that msnews.microsoft.com will be going away.
    >
    >Yes there are other servers that will pick up this group
    >however there will not be any "Microsoft"
    >Personal Monitoring them.


    So what? There isn't any official Microsoft presence in these groups
    anyway. MVPs are volunteers, not MS employees. These groups are, and
    always have been, peer-to-peer.

    >This may not mean anything to you, however
    >I do believe that others would like to have Microsoft's
    >Feedback on their products.


    This group never gave Microsoft's feedback on anything.

    --
    Tim Slattery
    Slattery_T@bls.gov
    http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     
  16. AndyM

    AndyM Flightless Bird

    > This group never gave Microsoft's feedback on anything.

    Would MS have listened?
     
  17. Bert Hyman

    Bert Hyman Flightless Bird

    In news:dj3v06hh3e3snu8hr0tdu0l88v24kf67hn@4ax.com Tim Slattery
    <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote:

    > This group never gave Microsoft's feedback on anything.


    That would be true only if nobody at MS ever read anything in this or
    any other newsgroup.

    If that's the case, MS is as poorly managed as anybody ever might have
    imagined.

    --
    Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
     
  18. Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]

    Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] Flightless Bird

    My Guess is that Microsoft is Restructuring big time because of the economy
    and cutting costs where ever they can
    (just like everyone else is) :(

    Russ

    --
    Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
    MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
    Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
    Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
    BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com


    "Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9D926FC38DAC3VeebleFetzer@207.46.248.16...
    > In news:dj3v06hh3e3snu8hr0tdu0l88v24kf67hn@4ax.com Tim Slattery
    > <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote:
    >
    >> This group never gave Microsoft's feedback on anything.

    >
    > That would be true only if nobody at MS ever read anything in this or
    > any other newsgroup.
    >
    > If that's the case, MS is as poorly managed as anybody ever might have
    > imagined.
    >
    > --
    > Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
     
  19. Microsoft "Sometimes" Listens to MVP's

    Since we have an Ear of what is going on in the real world
    Sometimes they listen and sometimes don't

    As far as one thing that they did listen to?

    Remember the VISTA Registration every 6 months they wanted to Pull?
    MVP's said, OK we will never buy VISTA and never use it.

    They stopped, it but the back lash was Deep
    (I Loaded VISTA it ran slow so I removed it.)

    And Last year they wanted to KILL this NNTP Newsgroups BEFORE a bridge was
    created.
    We said (MVP's) we would probably not visit the web only interface any more.

    That cuts down a lot of information Microsoft can get from the public
    unfiltered.

    MVP's despite what people call them Most Valuable Pigs And other names.

    Really Fight hard for users. We are not force fed Cool-Aid, and we are
    involved in products.
    (yes Microsoft sometimes doesn't listen, but sometimes they do.)

    I'm proud to be a MVP and fight for things to improve products.

    Moving everyone to a "Microsoft Forum" may be seen as a "Big Brother"
    By some of you, but as you know the squeaky wheel gets the grease...

    So Move to the new forum and Squeak away.
    (You've already stopped XP from Dying this long. And Dell for still selling
    on Downgrade rights)

    However Moving to the new format (Via Web or NNTP Bridge)
    You will definitely have a "GREATER" chance of being heard there.
    than in another forum. ( By some other third party.)

    It's best for "ALL" to stick together" there is more Power in 1 big Group
    than in 23 small groups)

    Does that Help?
    Russ

    --
    Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
    MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
    Remote Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
    BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com


    "AndyM" <noaddress@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    news:huoc3e$kpc$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> This group never gave Microsoft's feedback on anything.

    >
    > Would MS have listened?
    >
    >
     

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