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Terry R.

Flightless Bird
XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.

I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just when I
think I've resolved it, it freezes...

It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.

Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?

Thanks,

Terry R.
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Daave

Flightless Bird
Terry R. wrote:
> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>
> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed
> out RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just
> when I think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>
> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>
> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?

Are these other OSes on another physical hard drive?
 
R

R. McCarty

Flightless Bird
As with most all issues, the 1st place to investigate is the System &
Application event logs. Any Errors or Warnings should be resolved.

Freezing is somewhat difficult to isolate. One thing that helps to work
it out is AutoRuns. Load and run, scroll down thru the list it presents
and look for entries with "File not Found" in the "Image Path" column.
These are generally safe for removal.

Freezing can also be due to hardware interrupts, so you should use
MSInfo32 to examine the IRQ mapping table for your XP. Expand
the Hardware Resources then IRQs to view your system's assignments.
If your computer driver is ACPI compliant the IRQ table should have
entries extending to IRQ #23. Sharing is common, but it helps to note
which sub-systems are actually on a shared IRQ line.

"Terry R." <F1Com@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote in message
news:ekmWeKHkKHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>
> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
> RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just when I
> think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>
> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>
> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Terry R.
> --
> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
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Jose

Flightless Bird
On Jan 8, 9:54 am, "Terry R." <F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze.  While I'm working on it,
> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>
> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
> RAM, repair install.  Even swapped out the power supply.  Just when I
> think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>
> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>
> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Terry R.
> --
> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.

If your system hangs or freezes and you can't figure out why, you can
force a BSOD which will
create a crash dump file that you can analyze and see what is running
at the point of the freeze
and get some ideas that do not involve guesswork or trying things.

While it may seem odd to think about purposefully causing a Blue
Screen Of Death (BSOD), Microsoft
includes such a provision in Windows XP for just such situations. This
might come in handy for testing and troubleshooting your Startup And
Recovery settings, Event logging, and for demonstration purposes.

Here's how to force your system to create a BSOD:

Before making registry changes, backup your registry with this popular
free and easy to use tool:

http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

Launch the Registry Editor (Regedit.exe) and navigate to

HKLM\Services\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters

Click Edit, select New | DWORD Value and name the new value
CrashOnCtrlScroll.

Double-click the CrashOnCtrlScroll DWORD Value, type 1 in the Value
Data textbox, and click OK.

Close the Registry Editor and restart Windows XP.

When you want to cause a BSOD, press and hold down the [Ctrl] key on
the right side of your keyboard,
and then tap the [ScrollLock] key twice. Now you should see the BSOD.

If your system reboots instead of displaying the BSOD, you'll have to
disable the Automatically
Restart setting in the System Properties dialog box. To do so, follow
these steps:

Press [Windows]-Break.
Select the Advanced tab.
Click the Settings button in the Startup And Recovery panel.
Clear the Automatically Restart check box in the System Failure
panel.
Click OK twice.

Here's how you remove the BSOD configuration:

Launch the Registry Editor (Regedit.exe) and navigate to:

HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters

Select the CrashOnCtrlScroll value, click the Edit menu, and select
the Delete command.

Close the Registry Editor and restart Windows XP.
 
T

Terry R.

Flightless Bird
On 1/8/2010 7:27 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard

> Terry R. wrote:
>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
>> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>>
>> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed
>> out RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just
>> when I think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>
>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>
>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>
> Are these other OSes on another physical hard drive?
>
>

No, two of them on the same drive (W2k & Win7).


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Terry R.

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On 1/8/2010 7:41 AM On a whim, R. McCarty pounded out on the keyboard

> As with most all issues, the 1st place to investigate is the System&
> Application event logs. Any Errors or Warnings should be resolved.
>

I check there frequently. Nothing shows up. Probably because the
system freezes and nothing can be written.

> Freezing is somewhat difficult to isolate. One thing that helps to work
> it out is AutoRuns. Load and run, scroll down thru the list it presents
> and look for entries with "File not Found" in the "Image Path" column.
> These are generally safe for removal.
>

I've had Autoruns for a long time. I've unchecked any "File not found"
entries.

> Freezing can also be due to hardware interrupts, so you should use
> MSInfo32 to examine the IRQ mapping table for your XP. Expand
> the Hardware Resources then IRQs to view your system's assignments.
> If your computer driver is ACPI compliant the IRQ table should have
> entries extending to IRQ #23. Sharing is common, but it helps to note
> which sub-systems are actually on a shared IRQ line.
>

Only my USB controller is shared. All others are independent. And the
entries do extend to IRQ 23.

Thanks for any assistance.

> "Terry R."<F1Com@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote in message
> news:ekmWeKHkKHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
>> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>>
>> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
>> RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just when I
>> think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>
>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>
>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Terry R.
>>
>



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Daave

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Terry R. wrote:
> On 1/8/2010 7:27 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> Terry R. wrote:
>>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on
>>> it, sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every
>>> day. I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers,
>>> changed
>>> out RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just
>>> when I think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>>
>>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>
>> Are these other OSes on another physical hard drive?
>>
>>
>
> No, two of them on the same drive (W2k & Win7).

It seems like you looked at every conceivable thing. And since it seems
that your issue is not related to hardware, you might want to perform a
Clean Install at this point (since a Repair Install didn't fix your
random freezes).
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Jan 9, 1:21 am, "Terry R." <F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
> On 1/8/2010 7:41 AM On a whim, R. McCarty pounded out on the keyboard
>
> >   As with most all issues, the 1st place to investigate is the System&
> > Application event logs. Any Errors or Warnings should be resolved.
>
> I check there frequently.  Nothing shows up.  Probably because the
> system freezes and nothing can be written.
>
> >   Freezing is somewhat difficult to isolate. One thing that helps to work
> > it out is AutoRuns. Load and run, scroll down thru the list it presents
> > and look for entries with "File not Found" in the "Image Path" column.
> > These are generally safe for removal.
>
> I've had Autoruns for a long time.  I've unchecked any "File not found"
> entries.
>
> >   Freezing can also be due to hardware interrupts, so you should use
> > MSInfo32 to examine the IRQ mapping table for your XP. Expand
> > the Hardware Resources then IRQs to view your system's assignments.
> > If your computer driver is ACPI compliant the IRQ table should have
> > entries extending to IRQ #23. Sharing is common, but it helps to note
> > which sub-systems are actually on a shared IRQ line.
>
> Only my USB controller is shared.  All others are independent. And the
> entries do extend to IRQ 23.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com>  wrote in message
> >news:ekmWeKHkKHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze.  While I'm working on it,
> >> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>
> >> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
> >> RAM, repair install.  Even swapped out the power supply.  Just when I
> >> think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>
> >> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>
> >> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> Terry R.
>
> Terry R.
> --
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If you force the BSOD you will have a crash dump to analyze, not
something to guess about.

Every conceivable thing has not been looked at. It just sounds like
some unfruitful guesses have been made.

The reason CrashOnCtrlScroll exists is to help find what is causing
the system to hang/freeze.

Mark Russinovich (senior fellow at MS) and coauthor of Autoruns and
Process Monitor (among other things) says in one of his many
informational tutorial videos about XP troubleshooting, this is the
very first thing he does on an XP system that hangs for "no apparent
reason".

That feature is not in XP by some accident or coincidence. It is
there to help you with problems such as you describe.
 
T

Terry R.

Flightless Bird
On 1/9/2010 9:00 AM On a whim, Jose pounded out on the keyboard

>>> "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ekmWeKHkKHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
>>>> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>>
>>>> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
>>>> RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just when I
>>>> think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>
>>>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>
>>>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>
>>>> Terry R.
>>
>
> If you force the BSOD you will have a crash dump to analyze, not
> something to guess about.
>
> Every conceivable thing has not been looked at. It just sounds like
> some unfruitful guesses have been made.
>
> The reason CrashOnCtrlScroll exists is to help find what is causing
> the system to hang/freeze.
>
> Mark Russinovich (senior fellow at MS) and coauthor of Autoruns and
> Process Monitor (among other things) says in one of his many
> informational tutorial videos about XP troubleshooting, this is the
> very first thing he does on an XP system that hangs for "no apparent
> reason".
>
> That feature is not in XP by some accident or coincidence. It is
> there to help you with problems such as you describe.
>

I don't believe I was "guessing", but doing a systematic process of
elimination. I've never analyzed a crash dump, but will create it and
see where to go next.


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Terry R.

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On 1/9/2010 8:19 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard

> Terry R. wrote:
>> On 1/8/2010 7:27 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on
>>>> it, sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every
>>>> day. I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers,
>>>> changed
>>>> out RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just
>>>> when I think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>>
>>> Are these other OSes on another physical hard drive?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, two of them on the same drive (W2k& Win7).
>
> It seems like you looked at every conceivable thing. And since it seems
> that your issue is not related to hardware, you might want to perform a
> Clean Install at this point (since a Repair Install didn't fix your
> random freezes).
>
>

Hi Dave,

Yeah, that is what I was trying not to do... ;-) But in the time I've
spent t-shooting I could have rebuilt it. Then again, I have the other
OS's I can use, but XP is my main one.

I'll create a dump file like Jose suggested and then research getting it
analyzed. Have you done that before?



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Terry R.

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On 1/8/2010 7:53 AM On a whim, Jose pounded out on the keyboard

> On Jan 8, 9:54 am, "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
>> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>>
>> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
>> RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just when I
>> think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>
>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>
>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Terry R.
>> --
>> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
>> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>
> If your system hangs or freezes and you can't figure out why, you can
> force a BSOD which will
> create a crash dump file that you can analyze and see what is running
> at the point of the freeze
> and get some ideas that do not involve guesswork or trying things.
>
> While it may seem odd to think about purposefully causing a Blue
> Screen Of Death (BSOD), Microsoft
> includes such a provision in Windows XP for just such situations. This
> might come in handy for testing and troubleshooting your Startup And
> Recovery settings, Event logging, and for demonstration purposes.
>
> Here's how to force your system to create a BSOD:
>
> Before making registry changes, backup your registry with this popular
> free and easy to use tool:
>
> http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/
>
> Launch the Registry Editor (Regedit.exe) and navigate to
>
> HKLM\Services\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>

The above should be:
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters


> Click Edit, select New | DWORD Value and name the new value
> CrashOnCtrlScroll.
>
> Double-click the CrashOnCtrlScroll DWORD Value, type 1 in the Value
> Data textbox, and click OK.
>
> Close the Registry Editor and restart Windows XP.
>
> When you want to cause a BSOD, press and hold down the [Ctrl] key on
> the right side of your keyboard,
> and then tap the [ScrollLock] key twice. Now you should see the BSOD.
>
> If your system reboots instead of displaying the BSOD, you'll have to
> disable the Automatically
> Restart setting in the System Properties dialog box. To do so, follow
> these steps:
>
> Press [Windows]-Break.
> Select the Advanced tab.
> Click the Settings button in the Startup And Recovery panel.
> Clear the Automatically Restart check box in the System Failure
> panel.
> Click OK twice.
>
> Here's how you remove the BSOD configuration:
>
> Launch the Registry Editor (Regedit.exe) and navigate to:
>
> HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>
> Select the CrashOnCtrlScroll value, click the Edit menu, and select
> the Delete command.
>
> Close the Registry Editor and restart Windows XP.



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Terry R.

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On 1/8/2010 7:53 AM On a whim, Jose pounded out on the keyboard

> On Jan 8, 9:54 am, "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
>> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>>
>> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
>> RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just when I
>> think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>
>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>
>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Terry R.
>> --
>> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
>> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>
> If your system hangs or freezes and you can't figure out why, you can
> force a BSOD which will
> create a crash dump file that you can analyze and see what is running
> at the point of the freeze
> and get some ideas that do not involve guesswork or trying things.
>
> While it may seem odd to think about purposefully causing a Blue
> Screen Of Death (BSOD), Microsoft
> includes such a provision in Windows XP for just such situations. This
> might come in handy for testing and troubleshooting your Startup And
> Recovery settings, Event logging, and for demonstration purposes.
>
> Here's how to force your system to create a BSOD:
>
> Before making registry changes, backup your registry with this popular
> free and easy to use tool:
>
> http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/
>
> Launch the Registry Editor (Regedit.exe) and navigate to
>
> HKLM\Services\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>
> Click Edit, select New | DWORD Value and name the new value
> CrashOnCtrlScroll.
>
> Double-click the CrashOnCtrlScroll DWORD Value, type 1 in the Value
> Data textbox, and click OK.
>
> Close the Registry Editor and restart Windows XP.
>
> When you want to cause a BSOD, press and hold down the [Ctrl] key on
> the right side of your keyboard,
> and then tap the [ScrollLock] key twice. Now you should see the BSOD.
>
> If your system reboots instead of displaying the BSOD, you'll have to
> disable the Automatically
> Restart setting in the System Properties dialog box. To do so, follow
> these steps:
>
> Press [Windows]-Break.
> Select the Advanced tab.
> Click the Settings button in the Startup And Recovery panel.
> Clear the Automatically Restart check box in the System Failure
> panel.
> Click OK twice.
>
> Here's how you remove the BSOD configuration:
>
> Launch the Registry Editor (Regedit.exe) and navigate to:
>
> HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>
> Select the CrashOnCtrlScroll value, click the Edit menu, and select
> the Delete command.
>
> Close the Registry Editor and restart Windows XP.

It didn't work, so I researched a bit and found that with a USB
keyboard, the entry needs to be placed here instead:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\kbdhid\Parameters


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Terry R.

Flightless Bird
On 1/9/2010 1:17 PM On a whim, Terry R. pounded out on the keyboard

> On 1/8/2010 7:53 AM On a whim, Jose pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> On Jan 8, 9:54 am, "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
>>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on it,
>>> sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every day.
>>>
>>> I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers, changed out
>>> RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just when I
>>> think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>>
>>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Terry R.
>>> --
>>> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
>>> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>>
>> If your system hangs or freezes and you can't figure out why, you can
>> force a BSOD which will
>> create a crash dump file that you can analyze and see what is running
>> at the point of the freeze
>> and get some ideas that do not involve guesswork or trying things.
>>
>> While it may seem odd to think about purposefully causing a Blue
>> Screen Of Death (BSOD), Microsoft
>> includes such a provision in Windows XP for just such situations. This
>> might come in handy for testing and troubleshooting your Startup And
>> Recovery settings, Event logging, and for demonstration purposes.
>>
>> Here's how to force your system to create a BSOD:
>>
>> Before making registry changes, backup your registry with this popular
>> free and easy to use tool:
>>
>> http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/
>>
>> Launch the Registry Editor (Regedit.exe) and navigate to
>>
>> HKLM\Services\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>>
>> Click Edit, select New | DWORD Value and name the new value
>> CrashOnCtrlScroll.
>>
>> Double-click the CrashOnCtrlScroll DWORD Value, type 1 in the Value
>> Data textbox, and click OK.
>>
>> Close the Registry Editor and restart Windows XP.
>>
>> When you want to cause a BSOD, press and hold down the [Ctrl] key on
>> the right side of your keyboard,
>> and then tap the [ScrollLock] key twice. Now you should see the BSOD.
>>
>> If your system reboots instead of displaying the BSOD, you'll have to
>> disable the Automatically
>> Restart setting in the System Properties dialog box. To do so, follow
>> these steps:
>>
>> Press [Windows]-Break.
>> Select the Advanced tab.
>> Click the Settings button in the Startup And Recovery panel.
>> Clear the Automatically Restart check box in the System Failure
>> panel.
>> Click OK twice.
>>
>> Here's how you remove the BSOD configuration:
>>
>> Launch the Registry Editor (Regedit.exe) and navigate to:
>>
>> HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>>
>> Select the CrashOnCtrlScroll value, click the Edit menu, and select
>> the Delete command.
>>
>> Close the Registry Editor and restart Windows XP.
>
> It didn't work, so I researched a bit and found that with a USB
> keyboard, the entry needs to be placed here instead:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\kbdhid\Parameters
>
>
> Terry R.

Bah. That doesn't work either...


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Terry R. wrote:
> On 1/9/2010 8:19 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> Terry R. wrote:
>>> On 1/8/2010 7:27 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on
>>>>> it, sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every
>>>>> day. I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers,
>>>>> changed
>>>>> out RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just
>>>>> when I think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>>>
>>>> Are these other OSes on another physical hard drive?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, two of them on the same drive (W2k& Win7).
>>
>> It seems like you looked at every conceivable thing. And since it
>> seems that your issue is not related to hardware, you might want to
>> perform a Clean Install at this point (since a Repair Install didn't
>> fix your random freezes).
>>
>>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Yeah, that is what I was trying not to do... ;-) But in the time I've
> spent t-shooting I could have rebuilt it.

That was what I was driving at. :)

> Then again, I have the
> other OS's I can use, but XP is my main one.
>
> I'll create a dump file like Jose suggested and then research getting
> it analyzed. Have you done that before?

I have never done that, but I am curious to see what information it
reveals.
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Jan 9, 4:38 pm, "Terry R." <F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
> On 1/9/2010 1:17 PM On a whim, Terry R. pounded out on the keyboard

>
> > It didn't work, so I researched a bit and found that with a USB
> > keyboard, the entry needs to be placed here instead:
> > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\kbdhid\Parameters
>
> > Terry R.
>
> Bah.  That doesn't work either...
>
> Terry R.
> --
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Poop. My copy/paste directions are/were wrong. Not any more though.

HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters

Did you reboot after the change? I have never seen it not work.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc266483.aspx

Getting set up to analyze a crash dump using the MS tools to analyze
one crash dump can be frustrating, time consuming and intimidating.
It is time well spent if you need to look at them more often - even on
the BSODs that come about more "naturally".

There is a third party tool that is useful for the quick glance at the
dumps:

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html

Isn't there a site to upload files (besides screenshots). I don't
know where that is, but you can send it to me as an attachment and I
will look at it. I am all set up to look at them.
 
T

Terry R.

Flightless Bird
On 1/9/2010 2:10 PM On a whim, Jose pounded out on the keyboard

> On Jan 9, 4:38 pm, "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
>> On 1/9/2010 1:17 PM On a whim, Terry R. pounded out on the keyboard
>
>>
>>> It didn't work, so I researched a bit and found that with a USB
>>> keyboard, the entry needs to be placed here instead:
>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\kbdhid\Parameters
>>
>>> Terry R.
>>
>> Bah. That doesn't work either...
>>
>> Terry R.
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>
> Poop. My copy/paste directions are/were wrong. Not any more though.
>
> HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>

The above is for PS2 keyboards. I posted the USB path in a reply to your
earlier post.

> Did you reboot after the change? I have never seen it not work.
>

Yep. Rebooted each time.

> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc266483.aspx
>
> Getting set up to analyze a crash dump using the MS tools to analyze
> one crash dump can be frustrating, time consuming and intimidating.
> It is time well spent if you need to look at them more often - even on
> the BSODs that come about more "naturally".
>
> There is a third party tool that is useful for the quick glance at the
> dumps:
>
> http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html
>
> Isn't there a site to upload files (besides screenshots). I don't
> know where that is, but you can send it to me as an attachment and I
> will look at it. I am all set up to look at them.
>

Have no idea why it doesn't work...

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On Jan 9, 5:59 pm, "Terry R." <F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
> On 1/9/2010 2:10 PM On a whim, Jose pounded out on the keyboard
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 4:38 pm, "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com>  wrote:
> >> On 1/9/2010 1:17 PM On a whim, Terry R. pounded out on the keyboard
>
> >>> It didn't work, so I researched a bit and found that with a USB
> >>> keyboard, the entry needs to be placed here instead:
> >>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\kbdhid\Parameters
>
> >>> Terry R.
>
> >> Bah.  That doesn't work either...
>
> >> Terry R.
> >> --
> >> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
> >> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>
> > Poop.  My copy/paste directions are/were wrong.  Not any more though.
>
> > HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>
> The above is for PS2 keyboards. I posted the USB path in a reply to your
> earlier post.
>
> > Did you reboot after the change?  I have never seen it not work.
>
> Yep. Rebooted each time.
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc266483.aspx
>
> > Getting set up to analyze a crash dump using the MS tools to analyze
> > one crash dump can be frustrating, time consuming and intimidating.
> > It is time well spent if you need to look at them more often - even on
> > the BSODs that come about more "naturally".
>
> > There is a third party tool that is useful for the quick glance at the
> > dumps:
>
> >http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html
>
> > Isn't there a site to upload files (besides screenshots).  I don't
> > know where that is, but you can send it to me as an attachment and I
> > will look at it.  I am all set up to look at them.
>
> Have no idea why it doesn't work...
>
> Terry R.
> --
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Grrr. I don't have a USB KB handy, but I did fix my notes and added a
reminder for USB.

Are you using the right most CTRL key? That is the only one that will
do it and two hits on the Scroll Lock.

Works fine on my wireless USB setup, PS/2 and lots of laptops - so far
at least.

Dunno...
 
T

Terry R.

Flightless Bird
On 1/9/2010 3:53 PM On a whim, Jose pounded out on the keyboard

> On Jan 9, 5:59 pm, "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
>> On 1/9/2010 2:10 PM On a whim, Jose pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 9, 4:38 pm, "Terry R."<F1...@NOSPAMpobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/9/2010 1:17 PM On a whim, Terry R. pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>>>> It didn't work, so I researched a bit and found that with a USB
>>>>> keyboard, the entry needs to be placed here instead:
>>>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\kbdhid\Parameters
>>
>>>>> Terry R.
>>
>>>> Bah. That doesn't work either...
>>
>>>> Terry R.
>>>> --
>>>> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
>>>> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>>
>>> Poop. My copy/paste directions are/were wrong. Not any more though.
>>
>>> HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
>>
>> The above is for PS2 keyboards. I posted the USB path in a reply to your
>> earlier post.
>>
>>> Did you reboot after the change? I have never seen it not work.
>>
>> Yep. Rebooted each time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc266483.aspx
>>
>>> Getting set up to analyze a crash dump using the MS tools to analyze
>>> one crash dump can be frustrating, time consuming and intimidating.
>>> It is time well spent if you need to look at them more often - even on
>>> the BSODs that come about more "naturally".
>>
>>> There is a third party tool that is useful for the quick glance at the
>>> dumps:
>>
>>> http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html
>>
>>> Isn't there a site to upload files (besides screenshots). I don't
>>> know where that is, but you can send it to me as an attachment and I
>>> will look at it. I am all set up to look at them.
>>
>> Have no idea why it doesn't work...
>>
>> Terry R.
>> --
>> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
>> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
>
> Grrr. I don't have a USB KB handy, but I did fix my notes and added a
> reminder for USB.
>
> Are you using the right most CTRL key? That is the only one that will
> do it and two hits on the Scroll Lock.
>
> Works fine on my wireless USB setup, PS/2 and lots of laptops - so far
> at least.
>
> Dunno...

I don't either. This keyboard is only a couple months old.

I just deleted the partition and created a new one. I have months of
backup partitions on other drives on this workstation, in case I need
anything. But my data is stored on a separate drive and I install my
programs to yet another drive, so getting back and running isn't a big
deal. I just don't like doing this kind of work on my OWN
workstation... ;-)



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Flightless Bird
On 1/9/2010 1:44 PM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard

> Terry R. wrote:
>> On 1/9/2010 8:19 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>> On 1/8/2010 7:27 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>>>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on
>>>>>> it, sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every
>>>>>> day. I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers,
>>>>>> changed
>>>>>> out RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just
>>>>>> when I think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are these other OSes on another physical hard drive?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, two of them on the same drive (W2k& Win7).
>>>
>>> It seems like you looked at every conceivable thing. And since it
>>> seems that your issue is not related to hardware, you might want to
>>> perform a Clean Install at this point (since a Repair Install didn't
>>> fix your random freezes).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Yeah, that is what I was trying not to do... ;-) But in the time I've
>> spent t-shooting I could have rebuilt it.
>
> That was what I was driving at. :)
>

Well, I started over and so far no freezes. I have probably 80% of what
I "need" installed, so I'll see if it remains stable.


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On 1/9/2010 1:44 PM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard

> Terry R. wrote:
>> On 1/9/2010 8:19 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>> On 1/8/2010 7:27 AM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> Terry R. wrote:
>>>>>> XP on this workstation will randomly freeze. While I'm working on
>>>>>> it, sitting idle. It will go for a week or more, then lock every
>>>>>> day. I've slowly reduced Hardware acceleration. Updated drivers,
>>>>>> changed
>>>>>> out RAM, repair install. Even swapped out the power supply. Just
>>>>>> when I think I've resolved it, it freezes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't happen with any other OS's on this machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a thought as to something I may have missed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are these other OSes on another physical hard drive?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, two of them on the same drive (W2k& Win7).
>>>
>>> It seems like you looked at every conceivable thing. And since it
>>> seems that your issue is not related to hardware, you might want to
>>> perform a Clean Install at this point (since a Repair Install didn't
>>> fix your random freezes).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Yeah, that is what I was trying not to do... ;-) But in the time I've
>> spent t-shooting I could have rebuilt it.
>
> That was what I was driving at. :)
>
>> Then again, I have the
>> other OS's I can use, but XP is my main one.
>>
>> I'll create a dump file like Jose suggested and then research getting
>> it analyzed. Have you done that before?
>
> I have never done that, but I am curious to see what information it
> reveals.
>
>

Strange thing, yesterday the only things I did was:
1. MS Update
2. CmdHere Powertoy, ImageResizer Powertoy, TweakUi Powertoy
3. Disktrix UltimateDefrag

and it was frozen this morning when I came in. Since the old install
could go for a week at a time without freezing, I may have added
programs too soon.

Now this is to the point where I would have to install XP, wait a week
to see if it freezes, then progress with a program each week until I
find the problem. I'm wondering whether I should just retire XP on this
workstation...



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