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Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Alias, Apr 5, 2010.

  1. Al Smith

    Al Smith Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:
    > Al Smith wrote:
    >> Amelia wrote:
    >>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>> DRM,
    >>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> Malware.
    >>>
    >>> Also don't forget you:
    >>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and you
    >>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than average
    >>> computer knowhow.
    >>> Never again!

    >>
    >>
    >> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users ...
    >> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for Windows,
    >> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>
    >> -Al-

    >
    > Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing Ubuntu
    > and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can choose
    > between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    > to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    > down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power down
    > again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    > doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    > little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    > drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the presence of
    > Ubuntu.
    >



    Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so
    much simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button
    restore for the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be
    set back to what it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there
    could be complications -- if the drives were changed, or Windows
    upgraded, or whatever, after the Linux install, but for many
    people it would remove the trauma of testing out a full install of
    Linux. Having installed Linux eight or ten times on various
    systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated about it was
    getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot sector
    so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    reasons) Linux failed.

    -Al-
     
  2. Eric Allen

    Eric Allen Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:
    > Al Smith wrote:
    >> Amelia wrote:
    >>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>> DRM,
    >>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> Malware.
    >>>
    >>> Also don't forget you:
    >>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and you
    >>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than average
    >>> computer knowhow.
    >>> Never again!

    >>
    >>
    >> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users ...
    >> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for Windows,
    >> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>
    >> -Al-

    >
    > Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing Ubuntu
    > and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can choose
    > between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    > to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    > down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power down
    > again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    > doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    > little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    > drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the presence of
    > Ubuntu.
    >


    sounds like a hassle to me.

    --
    --
    Eric
     
  3. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Drew wrote:
    > YOU are the only so called person I have ever called numbnuts!!


    Liar.

    > Do you
    > have to disconnect a drive to update windows so it does not mess with
    > Ubuntu?


    Windows is too stupid to even know Ubuntu is there.

    > No? I didn't think so but lord knows Ubuntu is easier to use.
    > You really are a mental deficient aren't you.


    Grub might be updated ONCE after the initial install and updates. So, I
    guess what I posted below is too difficult for you.

    >
    > "Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
    > news:hq8df9$4u3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> Drew wrote:
    >>> But don't you ever forget that Ubuntu is easier than windows...yeah
    >>> right Numbnuts!!

    >>
    >> What's difficult for you to do that I posted? Hitting the F key? Using
    >> the arrow key to select an OS And then hitting Enter? Disconnecting a
    >> hard drive and reconnecting it? Removing the side to the case? Do
    >> tell; I am all ears.
    >>
    >> Oh, and what is this with your obsession on whether nuts are numb or
    >> not? You call everyone you disagree with that. If you can't be civil,
    >> can you at least be a tad more imaginative?
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
    >>> news:hq7pa4$tom$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>
    >>>> Hmm, never had a problem with that. WIFI?
    >>>>
    >>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record
    >>>>
    >>>> Not when I install it.
    >>>>
    >>>>> and you
    >>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than average
    >>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>> Never again!
    >>>>
    >>>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing
    >>>> Ubuntu and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you
    >>>> can choose between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which
    >>>> hard drive to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for
    >>>> Grub, power down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and
    >>>> upgrade, power down again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure
    >>>> the Grub update doesn't fuck with your Windows hard drive. Simple.
    >>>> --
    >>>> Alias
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Alias

    >



    --
    Alias
     
  4. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Al Smith wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >> Al Smith wrote:
    >>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>> and
    >>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>
    >>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>> you
    >>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than average
    >>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>> Never again!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users ...
    >>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for Windows,
    >>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>
    >>> -Al-

    >>
    >> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing Ubuntu
    >> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can choose
    >> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    >> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    >> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power down
    >> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the presence of
    >> Ubuntu.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so much
    > simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore for
    > the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to what
    > it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be complications
    > -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    > the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    > testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or ten
    > times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    > about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot
    > sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    > reasons) Linux failed.
    >
    > -Al-


    I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    people who suggest it, the better.

    --
    Alias
     
  5. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Eric Allen wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >> Al Smith wrote:
    >>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>> and
    >>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>
    >>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>> you
    >>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than average
    >>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>> Never again!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users ...
    >>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for Windows,
    >>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>
    >>> -Al-

    >>
    >> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing
    >> Ubuntu and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you
    >> can choose between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which
    >> hard drive to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for
    >> Grub, power down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and
    >> upgrade, power down again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure
    >> the Grub update doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It
    >> does take a little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add
    >> another hard drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by
    >> the presence of Ubuntu.
    >>

    >
    > sounds like a hassle to me.
    >


    Really? Which part would be too difficult for you? I've done all the
    distros since 06 and Grub rarely gets updated. Besides, when was the
    last time you cleaned out your case? You could do both at the same time.

    --
    Alias
     
  6. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 4/16/2010 3:42 AM, Alias wrote:
    > Eric Allen wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>>> you
    >>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than average
    >>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>> Never again!
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users ...
    >>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for Windows,
    >>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>
    >>>> -Al-
    >>>
    >>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing
    >>> Ubuntu and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you
    >>> can choose between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which
    >>> hard drive to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for
    >>> Grub, power down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and
    >>> upgrade, power down again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure
    >>> the Grub update doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It
    >>> does take a little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add
    >>> another hard drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by
    >>> the presence of Ubuntu.
    >>>

    >>
    >> sounds like a hassle to me.
    >>

    >
    > Really? Which part would be too difficult for you? I've done all the
    > distros since 06 and Grub rarely gets updated. Besides, when was the
    > last time you cleaned out your case? You could do both at the same time.
    >

    grub is a real POS that no one should be using.
    It's real crap!
     
  7. Al Smith

    Al Smith Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:
    > Al Smith wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>>> you
    >>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than average
    >>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>> Never again!
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users ...
    >>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for Windows,
    >>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>
    >>>> -Al-
    >>>
    >>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing Ubuntu
    >>> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can choose
    >>> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    >>> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    >>> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power down
    >>> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >>> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >>> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >>> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the presence of
    >>> Ubuntu.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so much
    >> simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore for
    >> the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to what
    >> it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be complications
    >> -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    >> the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    >> testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or ten
    >> times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    >> about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot
    >> sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    >> reasons) Linux failed.
    >>
    >> -Al-

    >
    > I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    > I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    > people who suggest it, the better.
    >



    I've tried writing to the Linux folks before in the past.
    Absolutely no response, other than a few snide remarks and
    insults. They don't want to hear from we Windows users because
    they are convinced that they (a) know better than us, and (b) are
    better than us. It's too bad, but that's been my experience. I
    would never bother suggesting anything else to them, since I know
    they would ignore my suggestion.

    -Al-
     
  8. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Al Smith wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >> Al Smith wrote:
    >>> Alias wrote:
    >>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>>>> you
    >>>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than
    >>>>>> average
    >>>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>>> Never again!
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users
    >>>>> ...
    >>>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for
    >>>>> Windows,
    >>>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> -Al-
    >>>>
    >>>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing Ubuntu
    >>>> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can
    >>>> choose
    >>>> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    >>>> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    >>>> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power down
    >>>> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >>>> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >>>> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >>>> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the presence of
    >>>> Ubuntu.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so much
    >>> simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore for
    >>> the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to what
    >>> it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be complications
    >>> -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    >>> the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    >>> testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or ten
    >>> times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    >>> about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot
    >>> sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    >>> reasons) Linux failed.
    >>>
    >>> -Al-

    >>
    >> I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    >> I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    >> people who suggest it, the better.
    >>

    >
    >
    > I've tried writing to the Linux folks before in the past. Absolutely no
    > response, other than a few snide remarks and insults. They don't want to
    > hear from we Windows users because they are convinced that they (a) know
    > better than us, and (b) are better than us. It's too bad, but that's
    > been my experience. I would never bother suggesting anything else to
    > them, since I know they would ignore my suggestion.
    >
    > -Al-


    I'm a computer user. I use Windows for some things, Linux for others.
    Right now I'm using XP because I'm waiting on a new computer to be
    delivered to replace the Ubuntu computer because its motherboard went
    south and they don't make those kind much anymore and I really want to
    see what Ubuntu 64 bit can do anyway.

    --
    Alias
     
  9. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Al Smith wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >> Al Smith wrote:
    >>> Alias wrote:
    >>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>>>> you
    >>>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than
    >>>>>> average
    >>>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>>> Never again!
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users
    >>>>> ...
    >>>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for
    >>>>> Windows,
    >>>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> -Al-
    >>>>
    >>>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing Ubuntu
    >>>> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can
    >>>> choose
    >>>> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    >>>> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    >>>> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power down
    >>>> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >>>> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >>>> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >>>> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the presence of
    >>>> Ubuntu.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so much
    >>> simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore for
    >>> the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to what
    >>> it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be complications
    >>> -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    >>> the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    >>> testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or ten
    >>> times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    >>> about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot
    >>> sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    >>> reasons) Linux failed.
    >>>
    >>> -Al-

    >>
    >> I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    >> I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    >> people who suggest it, the better.
    >>

    >
    >
    > I've tried writing to the Linux folks before in the past. Absolutely no
    > response, other than a few snide remarks and insults. They don't want to
    > hear from we Windows users because they are convinced that they (a) know
    > better than us, and (b) are better than us. It's too bad, but that's
    > been my experience. I would never bother suggesting anything else to
    > them, since I know they would ignore my suggestion.
    >
    > -Al-


    I think that's changing now that Linux has come out of the geek closet
    so to speak. Picking sides is silly when one can use both and get the
    best of both worlds. Some of the trolls here and on the Linux groups
    seem to think like Bush, you're either "with 'em or 'gainst 'em".

    --
    Alias
     
  10. Al Smith

    Al Smith Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:
    > Al Smith wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>> Alias wrote:
    >>>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>>>>> you
    >>>>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than
    >>>>>>> average
    >>>>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>>>> Never again!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users
    >>>>>> ...
    >>>>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for
    >>>>>> Windows,
    >>>>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> -Al-
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing
    >>>>> Ubuntu
    >>>>> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can
    >>>>> choose
    >>>>> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    >>>>> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    >>>>> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power
    >>>>> down
    >>>>> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >>>>> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >>>>> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >>>>> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the
    >>>>> presence of
    >>>>> Ubuntu.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so much
    >>>> simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore
    >>>> for
    >>>> the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to what
    >>>> it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be
    >>>> complications
    >>>> -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    >>>> the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    >>>> testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or
    >>>> ten
    >>>> times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    >>>> about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot
    >>>> sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    >>>> reasons) Linux failed.
    >>>>
    >>>> -Al-
    >>>
    >>> I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    >>> I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    >>> people who suggest it, the better.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> I've tried writing to the Linux folks before in the past. Absolutely no
    >> response, other than a few snide remarks and insults. They don't want to
    >> hear from we Windows users because they are convinced that they (a) know
    >> better than us, and (b) are better than us. It's too bad, but that's
    >> been my experience. I would never bother suggesting anything else to
    >> them, since I know they would ignore my suggestion.
    >>
    >> -Al-

    >
    > I'm a computer user. I use Windows for some things, Linux for others.
    > Right now I'm using XP because I'm waiting on a new computer to be
    > delivered to replace the Ubuntu computer because its motherboard went
    > south and they don't make those kind much anymore and I really want to
    > see what Ubuntu 64 bit can do anyway.
    >



    I'll try Ubuntu again. I may give the latest version that's coming
    out a whirl. But my experience in the past has made me a bit
    jundiced about Linux. I want it to succeed, and I want to use it,
    but so far it just isn't as sensible a choice for me as Windows.

    -Al-
     
  11. Al Smith

    Al Smith Flightless Bird

    Alias wrote:
    > Al Smith wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>> Alias wrote:
    >>>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>>>>> you
    >>>>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than
    >>>>>>> average
    >>>>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>>>> Never again!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users
    >>>>>> ...
    >>>>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for
    >>>>>> Windows,
    >>>>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> -Al-
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing
    >>>>> Ubuntu
    >>>>> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can
    >>>>> choose
    >>>>> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    >>>>> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    >>>>> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power
    >>>>> down
    >>>>> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >>>>> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >>>>> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >>>>> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the
    >>>>> presence of
    >>>>> Ubuntu.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so much
    >>>> simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore
    >>>> for
    >>>> the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to what
    >>>> it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be
    >>>> complications
    >>>> -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    >>>> the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    >>>> testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or
    >>>> ten
    >>>> times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    >>>> about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot
    >>>> sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    >>>> reasons) Linux failed.
    >>>>
    >>>> -Al-
    >>>
    >>> I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    >>> I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    >>> people who suggest it, the better.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> I've tried writing to the Linux folks before in the past. Absolutely no
    >> response, other than a few snide remarks and insults. They don't want to
    >> hear from we Windows users because they are convinced that they (a) know
    >> better than us, and (b) are better than us. It's too bad, but that's
    >> been my experience. I would never bother suggesting anything else to
    >> them, since I know they would ignore my suggestion.
    >>
    >> -Al-

    >
    > I think that's changing now that Linux has come out of the geek closet
    > so to speak. Picking sides is silly when one can use both and get the
    > best of both worlds. Some of the trolls here and on the Linux groups
    > seem to think like Bush, you're either "with 'em or 'gainst 'em".
    >



    Ubuntu is a great distro. They have the right idea -- to make
    Linux work for the great mass of people who would be happy to
    switch away from Microsoft if they could do so. I'm pulling for
    them to succeed.

    -Al-
     
  12. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Al Smith wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >> Al Smith wrote:
    >>> Alias wrote:
    >>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>> Alias wrote:
    >>>>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record
    >>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>> you
    >>>>>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than
    >>>>>>>> average
    >>>>>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>>>>> Never again!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users
    >>>>>>> ...
    >>>>>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>>>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for
    >>>>>>> Windows,
    >>>>>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> -Al-
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing
    >>>>>> Ubuntu
    >>>>>> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can
    >>>>>> choose
    >>>>>> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard
    >>>>>> drive
    >>>>>> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub,
    >>>>>> power
    >>>>>> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power
    >>>>>> down
    >>>>>> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >>>>>> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >>>>>> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >>>>>> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the
    >>>>>> presence of
    >>>>>> Ubuntu.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so
    >>>>> much
    >>>>> simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore
    >>>>> for
    >>>>> the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to
    >>>>> what
    >>>>> it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be
    >>>>> complications
    >>>>> -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    >>>>> the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    >>>>> testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or
    >>>>> ten
    >>>>> times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    >>>>> about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my
    >>>>> boot
    >>>>> sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    >>>>> reasons) Linux failed.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> -Al-
    >>>>
    >>>> I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    >>>> I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    >>>> people who suggest it, the better.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I've tried writing to the Linux folks before in the past. Absolutely no
    >>> response, other than a few snide remarks and insults. They don't want to
    >>> hear from we Windows users because they are convinced that they (a) know
    >>> better than us, and (b) are better than us. It's too bad, but that's
    >>> been my experience. I would never bother suggesting anything else to
    >>> them, since I know they would ignore my suggestion.
    >>>
    >>> -Al-

    >>
    >> I'm a computer user. I use Windows for some things, Linux for others.
    >> Right now I'm using XP because I'm waiting on a new computer to be
    >> delivered to replace the Ubuntu computer because its motherboard went
    >> south and they don't make those kind much anymore and I really want to
    >> see what Ubuntu 64 bit can do anyway.
    >>

    >
    >
    > I'll try Ubuntu again. I may give the latest version that's coming out a
    > whirl. But my experience in the past has made me a bit jundiced about
    > Linux. I want it to succeed, and I want to use it, but so far it just
    > isn't as sensible a choice for me as Windows.
    >
    > -Al-


    It takes some getting used to but the more you use it, the less you find
    yourself using Windows. I'm jonesing right now because I don't have an
    Ubuntu install :)

    --
    Alias
     
  13. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 4/16/2010 12:15 PM, Alias wrote:
    > Al Smith wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>> Alias wrote:
    >>>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>>>>> you
    >>>>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than
    >>>>>>> average
    >>>>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>>>> Never again!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users
    >>>>>> ...
    >>>>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for
    >>>>>> Windows,
    >>>>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> -Al-
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing
    >>>>> Ubuntu
    >>>>> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can
    >>>>> choose
    >>>>> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    >>>>> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    >>>>> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power
    >>>>> down
    >>>>> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >>>>> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >>>>> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >>>>> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the
    >>>>> presence of
    >>>>> Ubuntu.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so much
    >>>> simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore
    >>>> for
    >>>> the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to what
    >>>> it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be
    >>>> complications
    >>>> -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    >>>> the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    >>>> testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or
    >>>> ten
    >>>> times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    >>>> about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot
    >>>> sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    >>>> reasons) Linux failed.
    >>>>
    >>>> -Al-
    >>>
    >>> I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    >>> I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    >>> people who suggest it, the better.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> I've tried writing to the Linux folks before in the past. Absolutely no
    >> response, other than a few snide remarks and insults. They don't want to
    >> hear from we Windows users because they are convinced that they (a) know
    >> better than us, and (b) are better than us. It's too bad, but that's
    >> been my experience. I would never bother suggesting anything else to
    >> them, since I know they would ignore my suggestion.
    >>
    >> -Al-

    >
    > I'm a computer user. I use Windows for some things, Linux for others.
    > Right now I'm using XP because I'm waiting on a new computer to be
    > delivered to replace the Ubuntu computer because its motherboard went
    > south and they don't make those kind much anymore and I really want to
    > see what Ubuntu 64 bit can do anyway.
    >

    hehehe...so YOU DON'T HAVE A LEGIT COPY OF Windows 7 huh?
    Hahahahah...caught you in another one of your many, daily lies!...LOL!
     
  14. Frank

    Frank Flightless Bird

    On 4/16/2010 12:18 PM, Alias wrote:
    > Al Smith wrote:
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>> Alias wrote:
    >>>>> Al Smith wrote:
    >>>>>> Amelia wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 4/5/2010 1:23 PM, Mocassin joe wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Worry about:
    >>>>>>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
    >>>>>>>>> DRM,
    >>>>>>>>> Viruses,
    >>>>>>>>> Root kits,
    >>>>>>>>> Spyware,
    >>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>> Malware.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Also don't forget you:
    >>>>>>> 'Can't' get online (what a pain)
    >>>>>>> And once you install Linux it overwrites your master boot record and
    >>>>>>> you
    >>>>>>> 'can't' get it off and Windows back on without a lot more than
    >>>>>>> average
    >>>>>>> computer knowhow.
    >>>>>>> Never again!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> That's the single biggest drawback of Linux for new potential users
    >>>>>> ...
    >>>>>> it messes up your boot, so that there is no simple, one-click way to
    >>>>>> restore Windows. If Linux had a reliable one-click restore for
    >>>>>> Windows,
    >>>>>> it would be much more popular to try out.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> -Al-
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Had you disconnected your Windows hard drive prior to installing
    >>>>> Ubuntu
    >>>>> and have Windows on one SATA drive and Ubuntu on another, you can
    >>>>> choose
    >>>>> between the two by hitting an F key at boot to select which hard drive
    >>>>> to boot to with no need for Grub. When an update comes for Grub, power
    >>>>> down and disconnect the Windows drive, power up and upgrade, power
    >>>>> down
    >>>>> again and reconnect the Windows drive to make sure the Grub update
    >>>>> doesn't mess with your Windows' hard drive. Simple. It does take a
    >>>>> little keyboard and hardware action (if you have to add another hard
    >>>>> drive) to set it up but Windows will not be affected by the
    >>>>> presence of
    >>>>> Ubuntu.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Interesting tip. I've not heard of that before. But it would be so much
    >>>> simpler if, when we install Linux, it came with a one-button restore
    >>>> for
    >>>> the Windows boot routine, so that the boot-up would be set back to what
    >>>> it was before Linux was installed. I admit, there could be
    >>>> complications
    >>>> -- if the drives were changed, or Windows upgraded, or whatever, after
    >>>> the Linux install, but for many people it would remove the trauma of
    >>>> testing out a full install of Linux. Having installed Linux eight or
    >>>> ten
    >>>> times on various systems, I can tell you that the one thing I hated
    >>>> about it was getting out my Windows rescue floppy and resetting my boot
    >>>> sector so that Windows would be recognized again, after (for various
    >>>> reasons) Linux failed.
    >>>>
    >>>> -Al-
    >>>
    >>> I agree, it would be nice to have a simple way to restore Windows and
    >>> I've emailed Canonical about it. I suggest you do the same as the more
    >>> people who suggest it, the better.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> I've tried writing to the Linux folks before in the past. Absolutely no
    >> response, other than a few snide remarks and insults. They don't want to
    >> hear from we Windows users because they are convinced that they (a) know
    >> better than us, and (b) are better than us. It's too bad, but that's
    >> been my experience. I would never bother suggesting anything else to
    >> them, since I know they would ignore my suggestion.
    >>
    >> -Al-

    >
    > I think that's changing now that Linux has come out of the geek closet
    > so to speak. Picking sides is silly when one can use both and get the
    > best of both worlds. Some of the trolls here and on the Linux groups
    > seem to think like Bush, you're either "with 'em or 'gainst 'em".
    >

    ...."the best of both worlds..."? What a stupid statement that is.
    Windows 7 will do everything!
     

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