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Internet Explorer 8

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by NJITGS, Aug 27, 2010.

  1. NJITGS

    NJITGS Flightless Bird

    Greetings All-

    Could anyone tell me why IE 8 has suddenly decided to stop providing me the
    option to save tabs with exiting? Normally when I Xit out of IE with
    multiple tabs open it pops up a box asking if I wan to open these tabs the
    next time IE starts, however now it only asks me if I want to close all tabs
    or just the current tab.

    Btw- For unknown reasons I could not find the newsgroup for IE in Outlook
    Express, could anyone please provide me the address to the IE 8 newsgroup?
    Ty.
     
  2. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    NJITGS wrote:

    > Could anyone tell me why IE 8 has suddenly decided to stop providing
    > me the option to save tabs with exiting? Normally when I Xit out of
    > IE with multiple tabs open it pops up a box asking if I wan to open
    > these tabs the next time IE starts, however now it only asks me if I
    > want to close all tabs or just the current tab.


    Nothing sudden about it. This has been the behavior of IE8 even before
    it was released 17 MONTHS ago. It is only "sudden" to you because you
    just decided to upgrade from IE7 to IE8. So what really happened is
    that *you* moved from IE7 to IE8 and now notice a difference in those
    versions. Different versions exist because obviously there are
    differences between them. "Normal" for you was back when you used to
    have IE7.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/readiness/new-features.aspx
    Read the "Automatic Crash Recovery" section.

    IE7 had the option to prompt (alert) you before closing it if multiple
    tabs were open (not if just one tab, the minimum, had a page loaded).
    IE8 has graceful recovery in case it fully crashes to let you have the
    prompt when you *load* it to ask if you want to reload those tabs again.
    It lets you recover from a crash. A history of your tab navigation is
    maintained under the following path:

    %userprofile%\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet
    Explorer\Recovery

    This can also be a security concern because your tab navigation is being
    recorded and stored on your hard disk. The contents are NOT encrypted
    using the crypto key assigned to your particular Windows account. Many
    privacy cleaners don't wipe the files under this path. I don't know if
    IE8 is meant to clear this local cache when it exits but obviously it
    can't be expected to reliably clean this path if it has crashed. If IE8
    crashes, and if you elect at the prompt, this history gets used it to
    reload the tabs but that happens when IE8 gets *loaded*.

    How do you know at the end of an IE7 that you want to open those same
    sites again on your next IE7 session? You might not load IE7 for a
    couple weeks while away on a vacation. Would you really want to spend
    the time twiddling your thumbs waiting for those 28 tabs to reload again
    for sites you don't care about anymore? This "save" was a preliminary
    and poorly designed recovery mechanism that required user intervention
    and ONLY worked if IE7 was properly unloaded.

    If you want to reload the same group of tabs then save all the tabs as a
    tab group. You can then CHOOSE to load that tab group when you later
    load IE8, sometime while you have already been using IE8 for awhile, or
    not at all because you don't want to visit that same exact set of sites.
    If you know that you want the same group of tabs reopened later (on load
    or during a session with IE8) then you should be SAVING that group of
    tabs. All the IE7 prompt did on exit is give you an automatic method of
    saving the tab group for you. That automatic save is gone but you can
    always choose at anytime during your IE8 session to save a group of tabs
    and not just when you close IE8.

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2008/09/30/ie8-tab-grouping.aspx

    It is also possible to reopen the last opened group of tabs by using the
    Tools -> Reopen Last Browsing Session. So at the *start* of IE8 you can
    decide whether or not to open your tab group present when you exited IE8
    rather than have to guess in IE7 that you might want that same tab group
    opened next time but you might not (but making the choice at the exit of
    IE7 didn't let you choose at the load of IE7). Personally I find
    setting the home page to "about:tabs" a bit easier since I can choose
    the ReOpen Last Browsing Session from that web page instead of drilling
    through the menus to find it there.

    > Btw- For unknown reasons I could not find the newsgroup for IE in
    > Outlook Express, could anyone please provide me the address to the
    > IE8 newsgroup?


    Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server along with their "Communities"
    webnews-for-dummies interface that gateways to Usenet. First will by
    attrition by gradually removing groups from THEIR server (they can't
    remove them from non-Microsoft servers). Then Microsoft will kill off
    their NNTP server. Microsoft is not Usenet. To ensure continued access
    to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, you will need to connect a
    newsreader to a non-Microsoft NNTP server or suffer with Microsoft's
    inane Answers (http://answers.microsoft.com) and other web-based forums.
     
  3. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    IE8 didn't "suddenly decide" to do that: The feature's never been available
    in IE8. You must be recalling how IE7 worked.

    You will find support for Internet Explorer in this MS forum now:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads

    Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
    Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
    version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


    NJITGS wrote:
    > Could anyone tell me why IE 8 has suddenly decided to stop providing me
    > the
    > option to save tabs with exiting? Normally when I Xit out of IE with
    > multiple tabs open it pops up a box asking if I wan to open these tabs the
    > next time IE starts, however now it only asks me if I want to close all
    > tabs
    > or just the current tab.
    >
    > Btw- For unknown reasons I could not find the newsgroup for IE in Outlook
    > Express, could anyone please provide me the address to the IE 8 newsgroup?
     
  4. NJITGS

    NJITGS Flightless Bird

    the address for this group is

    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

    What is the address for the IE newsgroup?


    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:eWSbnjiRLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > IE8 didn't "suddenly decide" to do that: The feature's never been
    > available in IE8. You must be recalling how IE7 worked.
    >
    > You will find support for Internet Explorer in this MS forum now:
    > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads
    >
    > Always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit SP2;
    > Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current IE
    > version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.
    > --
    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >
    >
    > NJITGS wrote:
    >> Could anyone tell me why IE 8 has suddenly decided to stop providing me
    >> the
    >> option to save tabs with exiting? Normally when I Xit out of IE with
    >> multiple tabs open it pops up a box asking if I wan to open these tabs
    >> the
    >> next time IE starts, however now it only asks me if I want to close all
    >> tabs
    >> or just the current tab.
    >>
    >> Btw- For unknown reasons I could not find the newsgroup for IE in Outlook
    >> Express, could anyone please provide me the address to the IE 8
    >> newsgroup?

    >
     
  5. NJITGS

    NJITGS Flightless Bird

    So what do I do now? Revert back to IE 7..?

    "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    news:i597v9$7fm$1@news.albasani.net...
    > NJITGS wrote:
    >
    >> Could anyone tell me why IE 8 has suddenly decided to stop providing
    >> me the option to save tabs with exiting? Normally when I Xit out of
    >> IE with multiple tabs open it pops up a box asking if I wan to open
    >> these tabs the next time IE starts, however now it only asks me if I
    >> want to close all tabs or just the current tab.

    >
    > Nothing sudden about it. This has been the behavior of IE8 even before
    > it was released 17 MONTHS ago. It is only "sudden" to you because you
    > just decided to upgrade from IE7 to IE8. So what really happened is
    > that *you* moved from IE7 to IE8 and now notice a difference in those
    > versions. Different versions exist because obviously there are
    > differences between them. "Normal" for you was back when you used to
    > have IE7.
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/readiness/new-features.aspx
    > Read the "Automatic Crash Recovery" section.
    >
    > IE7 had the option to prompt (alert) you before closing it if multiple
    > tabs were open (not if just one tab, the minimum, had a page loaded).
    > IE8 has graceful recovery in case it fully crashes to let you have the
    > prompt when you *load* it to ask if you want to reload those tabs again.
    > It lets you recover from a crash. A history of your tab navigation is
    > maintained under the following path:
    >
    > %userprofile%\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet
    > Explorer\Recovery
    >
    > This can also be a security concern because your tab navigation is being
    > recorded and stored on your hard disk. The contents are NOT encrypted
    > using the crypto key assigned to your particular Windows account. Many
    > privacy cleaners don't wipe the files under this path. I don't know if
    > IE8 is meant to clear this local cache when it exits but obviously it
    > can't be expected to reliably clean this path if it has crashed. If IE8
    > crashes, and if you elect at the prompt, this history gets used it to
    > reload the tabs but that happens when IE8 gets *loaded*.
    >
    > How do you know at the end of an IE7 that you want to open those same
    > sites again on your next IE7 session? You might not load IE7 for a
    > couple weeks while away on a vacation. Would you really want to spend
    > the time twiddling your thumbs waiting for those 28 tabs to reload again
    > for sites you don't care about anymore? This "save" was a preliminary
    > and poorly designed recovery mechanism that required user intervention
    > and ONLY worked if IE7 was properly unloaded.
    >
    > If you want to reload the same group of tabs then save all the tabs as a
    > tab group. You can then CHOOSE to load that tab group when you later
    > load IE8, sometime while you have already been using IE8 for awhile, or
    > not at all because you don't want to visit that same exact set of sites.
    > If you know that you want the same group of tabs reopened later (on load
    > or during a session with IE8) then you should be SAVING that group of
    > tabs. All the IE7 prompt did on exit is give you an automatic method of
    > saving the tab group for you. That automatic save is gone but you can
    > always choose at anytime during your IE8 session to save a group of tabs
    > and not just when you close IE8.
    >
    > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2008/09/30/ie8-tab-grouping.aspx
    >
    > It is also possible to reopen the last opened group of tabs by using the
    > Tools -> Reopen Last Browsing Session. So at the *start* of IE8 you can
    > decide whether or not to open your tab group present when you exited IE8
    > rather than have to guess in IE7 that you might want that same tab group
    > opened next time but you might not (but making the choice at the exit of
    > IE7 didn't let you choose at the load of IE7). Personally I find
    > setting the home page to "about:tabs" a bit easier since I can choose
    > the ReOpen Last Browsing Session from that web page instead of drilling
    > through the menus to find it there.
    >
    >> Btw- For unknown reasons I could not find the newsgroup for IE in
    >> Outlook Express, could anyone please provide me the address to the
    >> IE8 newsgroup?

    >
    > Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server along with their "Communities"
    > webnews-for-dummies interface that gateways to Usenet. First will by
    > attrition by gradually removing groups from THEIR server (they can't
    > remove them from non-Microsoft servers). Then Microsoft will kill off
    > their NNTP server. Microsoft is not Usenet. To ensure continued access
    > to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, you will need to connect a
    > newsreader to a non-Microsoft NNTP server or suffer with Microsoft's
    > inane Answers (http://answers.microsoft.com) and other web-based forums.
     
  6. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    NJITGS wrote:

    > So what do I do now? Revert back to IE 7..?


    If you demand the option of guessing that you might want to
    automatically save the tab group when you exit IE7 but don't actually
    get to load that group until whenever you next load IE7.
     
  7. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    NJITGS wrote:

    > What is the address for the IE newsgroup?


    microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

    As I mentioned in my other post, that group may be already gone or it
    will be if you continue using Microsoft's NNTP server or their
    Communities gateway to it. The microsoft.public.* will continue to
    exist in worldwide mesh network of Usenet of which Microsoft has one
    node that they are planning to drop. The noobs using the "Communities"
    webnews interface to these groups in Usenet are getting forced to move
    to the other inane web-based forums from Microsoft (Answers). Traffic
    will severely diminish in the newsgroups as the load of noobs who only
    know how to use a web browser move to the Answers forums and away from
    the Communities gateway to Usenet.

    If you want to continue accessing the microsoft.public.* newsgroups,
    start hunting around for a replacement NNTP server to the one you are
    now using from Microsoft. Albasani and Eternal-September are good free
    NSPs. individual.net is very cheap. There are several commercial NSPs,
    like Giganews and EasyNews.
     
  8. NJITGS

    NJITGS Flightless Bird

    Thank you.

    I did notice also that I am no longer able to download newsgroups in Outlook
    Express. Normally if I go into Newsgroups of the email client all I have to
    do is search a key word and it will list addresses to specific newsgroups
    that I would subscribe to. How however they seem to be limited. When did
    this come about? I hope what your saying isn't true, I find it most
    convenient to track my threads through OE.


    "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    news:i59ag0$b5k$1@news.albasani.net...
    > NJITGS wrote:
    >
    >> What is the address for the IE newsgroup?

    >
    > microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >
    > As I mentioned in my other post, that group may be already gone or it
    > will be if you continue using Microsoft's NNTP server or their
    > Communities gateway to it. The microsoft.public.* will continue to
    > exist in worldwide mesh network of Usenet of which Microsoft has one
    > node that they are planning to drop. The noobs using the "Communities"
    > webnews interface to these groups in Usenet are getting forced to move
    > to the other inane web-based forums from Microsoft (Answers). Traffic
    > will severely diminish in the newsgroups as the load of noobs who only
    > know how to use a web browser move to the Answers forums and away from
    > the Communities gateway to Usenet.
    >
    > If you want to continue accessing the microsoft.public.* newsgroups,
    > start hunting around for a replacement NNTP server to the one you are
    > now using from Microsoft. Albasani and Eternal-September are good free
    > NSPs. individual.net is very cheap. There are several commercial NSPs,
    > like Giganews and EasyNews.
     
  9. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    NJITGS wrote:

    > I did notice also that I am no longer able to download newsgroups in
    > Outlook Express. Normally if I go into Newsgroups of the email
    > client all I have to do is search a key word and it will list
    > addresses to specific newsgroups that I would subscribe to. How
    > however they seem to be limited. When did this come about? I hope
    > what your saying isn't true, I find it most convenient to track my
    > threads through OE.


    Well, if Microsoft is dropping newsgroups then why wouldn't you expect
    their number to diminish? You are STILL connecting OE to Microsoft's
    NNTP server. They are dropping newsgroups.
     
  10. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    IE General newsgroup is no longer carried on the MS newsserver. See
    http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx

    While the newsgroup continues to be carried on other newsservers, traffic
    has slowed to a crawl and it's beginning to be overwhelmed by spam like
    http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/c1c6a64b33b73c60 &
    http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/65c8fdab413f63d6

    You will find continuing support for Internet Explorer in this MS forum now:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/InternetExplorer/threads

    Again, always state your full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; WinXP 64-bit
    SP2; Vista SP1; Vista 64-bit SP2; Win7; Win7 64-bit) as well as your current
    IE version (e.g., IE6, IE7, IE8) in your first post.


    NJITGS wrote:
    > Thank you.
    >
    > I did notice also that I am no longer able to download newsgroups in
    > Outlook
    > Express...
    >
    >>> What is the address for the IE newsgroup?

    >>
    >> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
     
  11. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    WYSIWYG

    NJITGS wrote:
    > So what do I do now? Revert back to IE 7..?
    >
    > "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    > news:i597v9$7fm$1@news.albasani.net...
    >> NJITGS wrote:
    >>
    >>> Could anyone tell me why IE 8 has suddenly decided to stop providing
    >>> me the option to save tabs with exiting? Normally when I Xit out of
    >>> IE with multiple tabs open it pops up a box asking if I wan to open
    >>> these tabs the next time IE starts, however now it only asks me if I
    >>> want to close all tabs or just the current tab.

    >>
    >> Nothing sudden about it. This has been the behavior of IE8 even before
    >> it was released 17 MONTHS ago. It is only "sudden" to you because you
    >> just decided to upgrade from IE7 to IE8. So what really happened is
    >> that *you* moved from IE7 to IE8 and now notice a difference in those
    >> versions. Different versions exist because obviously there are
    >> differences between them. "Normal" for you was back when you used to
    >> have IE7.
    >>
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/readiness/new-features.aspx
    >> Read the "Automatic Crash Recovery" section.
    >>
    >> IE7 had the option to prompt (alert) you before closing it if multiple
    >> tabs were open (not if just one tab, the minimum, had a page loaded).
    >> IE8 has graceful recovery in case it fully crashes to let you have the
    >> prompt when you *load* it to ask if you want to reload those tabs again.
    >> It lets you recover from a crash. A history of your tab navigation is
    >> maintained under the following path:
    >>
    >> %userprofile%\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet
    >> Explorer\Recovery
    >>
    >> This can also be a security concern because your tab navigation is being
    >> recorded and stored on your hard disk. The contents are NOT encrypted
    >> using the crypto key assigned to your particular Windows account. Many
    >> privacy cleaners don't wipe the files under this path. I don't know if
    >> IE8 is meant to clear this local cache when it exits but obviously it
    >> can't be expected to reliably clean this path if it has crashed. If IE8
    >> crashes, and if you elect at the prompt, this history gets used it to
    >> reload the tabs but that happens when IE8 gets *loaded*.
    >>
    >> How do you know at the end of an IE7 that you want to open those same
    >> sites again on your next IE7 session? You might not load IE7 for a
    >> couple weeks while away on a vacation. Would you really want to spend
    >> the time twiddling your thumbs waiting for those 28 tabs to reload again
    >> for sites you don't care about anymore? This "save" was a preliminary
    >> and poorly designed recovery mechanism that required user intervention
    >> and ONLY worked if IE7 was properly unloaded.
    >>
    >> If you want to reload the same group of tabs then save all the tabs as a
    >> tab group. You can then CHOOSE to load that tab group when you later
    >> load IE8, sometime while you have already been using IE8 for awhile, or
    >> not at all because you don't want to visit that same exact set of sites.
    >> If you know that you want the same group of tabs reopened later (on load
    >> or during a session with IE8) then you should be SAVING that group of
    >> tabs. All the IE7 prompt did on exit is give you an automatic method of
    >> saving the tab group for you. That automatic save is gone but you can
    >> always choose at anytime during your IE8 session to save a group of tabs
    >> and not just when you close IE8.
    >>
    >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2008/09/30/ie8-tab-grouping.aspx
    >>
    >> It is also possible to reopen the last opened group of tabs by using the
    >> Tools -> Reopen Last Browsing Session. So at the *start* of IE8 you can
    >> decide whether or not to open your tab group present when you exited IE8
    >> rather than have to guess in IE7 that you might want that same tab group
    >> opened next time but you might not (but making the choice at the exit of
    >> IE7 didn't let you choose at the load of IE7). Personally I find
    >> setting the home page to "about:tabs" a bit easier since I can choose
    >> the ReOpen Last Browsing Session from that web page instead of drilling
    >> through the menus to find it there.
    >>
    >>> Btw- For unknown reasons I could not find the newsgroup for IE in
    >>> Outlook Express, could anyone please provide me the address to the
    >>> IE8 newsgroup?

    >>
    >> Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server along with their "Communities"
    >> webnews-for-dummies interface that gateways to Usenet. First will by
    >> attrition by gradually removing groups from THEIR server (they can't
    >> remove them from non-Microsoft servers). Then Microsoft will kill off
    >> their NNTP server. Microsoft is not Usenet. To ensure continued access
    >> to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, you will need to connect a
    >> newsreader to a non-Microsoft NNTP server or suffer with Microsoft's
    >> inane Answers (http://answers.microsoft.com) and other web-based forums.
     
  12. NJITGS

    NJITGS Flightless Bird

    what's that?


    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:%23fGo5GnRLHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > WYSIWYG
    >
    > NJITGS wrote:
    >> So what do I do now? Revert back to IE 7..?
    >>
    >> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    >> news:i597v9$7fm$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>> NJITGS wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Could anyone tell me why IE 8 has suddenly decided to stop providing
    >>>> me the option to save tabs with exiting? Normally when I Xit out of
    >>>> IE with multiple tabs open it pops up a box asking if I wan to open
    >>>> these tabs the next time IE starts, however now it only asks me if I
    >>>> want to close all tabs or just the current tab.
    >>>
    >>> Nothing sudden about it. This has been the behavior of IE8 even before
    >>> it was released 17 MONTHS ago. It is only "sudden" to you because you
    >>> just decided to upgrade from IE7 to IE8. So what really happened is
    >>> that *you* moved from IE7 to IE8 and now notice a difference in those
    >>> versions. Different versions exist because obviously there are
    >>> differences between them. "Normal" for you was back when you used to
    >>> have IE7.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/readiness/new-features.aspx
    >>> Read the "Automatic Crash Recovery" section.
    >>>
    >>> IE7 had the option to prompt (alert) you before closing it if multiple
    >>> tabs were open (not if just one tab, the minimum, had a page loaded).
    >>> IE8 has graceful recovery in case it fully crashes to let you have the
    >>> prompt when you *load* it to ask if you want to reload those tabs again.
    >>> It lets you recover from a crash. A history of your tab navigation is
    >>> maintained under the following path:
    >>>
    >>> %userprofile%\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet
    >>> Explorer\Recovery
    >>>
    >>> This can also be a security concern because your tab navigation is being
    >>> recorded and stored on your hard disk. The contents are NOT encrypted
    >>> using the crypto key assigned to your particular Windows account. Many
    >>> privacy cleaners don't wipe the files under this path. I don't know if
    >>> IE8 is meant to clear this local cache when it exits but obviously it
    >>> can't be expected to reliably clean this path if it has crashed. If IE8
    >>> crashes, and if you elect at the prompt, this history gets used it to
    >>> reload the tabs but that happens when IE8 gets *loaded*.
    >>>
    >>> How do you know at the end of an IE7 that you want to open those same
    >>> sites again on your next IE7 session? You might not load IE7 for a
    >>> couple weeks while away on a vacation. Would you really want to spend
    >>> the time twiddling your thumbs waiting for those 28 tabs to reload again
    >>> for sites you don't care about anymore? This "save" was a preliminary
    >>> and poorly designed recovery mechanism that required user intervention
    >>> and ONLY worked if IE7 was properly unloaded.
    >>>
    >>> If you want to reload the same group of tabs then save all the tabs as a
    >>> tab group. You can then CHOOSE to load that tab group when you later
    >>> load IE8, sometime while you have already been using IE8 for awhile, or
    >>> not at all because you don't want to visit that same exact set of sites.
    >>> If you know that you want the same group of tabs reopened later (on load
    >>> or during a session with IE8) then you should be SAVING that group of
    >>> tabs. All the IE7 prompt did on exit is give you an automatic method of
    >>> saving the tab group for you. That automatic save is gone but you can
    >>> always choose at anytime during your IE8 session to save a group of tabs
    >>> and not just when you close IE8.
    >>>
    >>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2008/09/30/ie8-tab-grouping.aspx
    >>>
    >>> It is also possible to reopen the last opened group of tabs by using the
    >>> Tools -> Reopen Last Browsing Session. So at the *start* of IE8 you can
    >>> decide whether or not to open your tab group present when you exited IE8
    >>> rather than have to guess in IE7 that you might want that same tab group
    >>> opened next time but you might not (but making the choice at the exit of
    >>> IE7 didn't let you choose at the load of IE7). Personally I find
    >>> setting the home page to "about:tabs" a bit easier since I can choose
    >>> the ReOpen Last Browsing Session from that web page instead of drilling
    >>> through the menus to find it there.
    >>>
    >>>> Btw- For unknown reasons I could not find the newsgroup for IE in
    >>>> Outlook Express, could anyone please provide me the address to the
    >>>> IE8 newsgroup?
    >>>
    >>> Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server along with their "Communities"
    >>> webnews-for-dummies interface that gateways to Usenet. First will by
    >>> attrition by gradually removing groups from THEIR server (they can't
    >>> remove them from non-Microsoft servers). Then Microsoft will kill off
    >>> their NNTP server. Microsoft is not Usenet. To ensure continued access
    >>> to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, you will need to connect a
    >>> newsreader to a non-Microsoft NNTP server or suffer with Microsoft's
    >>> inane Answers (http://answers.microsoft.com) and other web-based forums.

    >
     
  13. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Got Google? => http://tinyurl.com/c8d9mc

    NJITGS wrote:
    > what's that?
    >
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:%23fGo5GnRLHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> WYSIWYG
    >>
    >> NJITGS wrote:
    >>> So what do I do now? Revert back to IE 7..?
    >>>
    >>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    >>> news:i597v9$7fm$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>>> NJITGS wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Could anyone tell me why IE 8 has suddenly decided to stop providing
    >>>>> me the option to save tabs with exiting? Normally when I Xit out of
    >>>>> IE with multiple tabs open it pops up a box asking if I wan to open
    >>>>> these tabs the next time IE starts, however now it only asks me if I
    >>>>> want to close all tabs or just the current tab.
    >>>>
    >>>> Nothing sudden about it. This has been the behavior of IE8 even before
    >>>> it was released 17 MONTHS ago. It is only "sudden" to you because you
    >>>> just decided to upgrade from IE7 to IE8. So what really happened is
    >>>> that *you* moved from IE7 to IE8 and now notice a difference in those
    >>>> versions. Different versions exist because obviously there are
    >>>> differences between them. "Normal" for you was back when you used to
    >>>> have IE7.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/readiness/new-features.aspx
    >>>> Read the "Automatic Crash Recovery" section.
    >>>>
    >>>> IE7 had the option to prompt (alert) you before closing it if multiple
    >>>> tabs were open (not if just one tab, the minimum, had a page loaded).
    >>>> IE8 has graceful recovery in case it fully crashes to let you have the
    >>>> prompt when you *load* it to ask if you want to reload those tabs
    >>>> again.
    >>>> It lets you recover from a crash. A history of your tab navigation is
    >>>> maintained under the following path:
    >>>>
    >>>> %userprofile%\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet
    >>>> Explorer\Recovery
    >>>>
    >>>> This can also be a security concern because your tab navigation is
    >>>> being
    >>>> recorded and stored on your hard disk. The contents are NOT encrypted
    >>>> using the crypto key assigned to your particular Windows account. Many
    >>>> privacy cleaners don't wipe the files under this path. I don't know if
    >>>> IE8 is meant to clear this local cache when it exits but obviously it
    >>>> can't be expected to reliably clean this path if it has crashed. If
    >>>> IE8
    >>>> crashes, and if you elect at the prompt, this history gets used it to
    >>>> reload the tabs but that happens when IE8 gets *loaded*.
    >>>>
    >>>> How do you know at the end of an IE7 that you want to open those same
    >>>> sites again on your next IE7 session? You might not load IE7 for a
    >>>> couple weeks while away on a vacation. Would you really want to spend
    >>>> the time twiddling your thumbs waiting for those 28 tabs to reload
    >>>> again
    >>>> for sites you don't care about anymore? This "save" was a preliminary
    >>>> and poorly designed recovery mechanism that required user intervention
    >>>> and ONLY worked if IE7 was properly unloaded.
    >>>>
    >>>> If you want to reload the same group of tabs then save all the tabs as
    >>>> a
    >>>> tab group. You can then CHOOSE to load that tab group when you later
    >>>> load IE8, sometime while you have already been using IE8 for awhile, or
    >>>> not at all because you don't want to visit that same exact set of
    >>>> sites.
    >>>> If you know that you want the same group of tabs reopened later (on
    >>>> load
    >>>> or during a session with IE8) then you should be SAVING that group of
    >>>> tabs. All the IE7 prompt did on exit is give you an automatic method
    >>>> of
    >>>> saving the tab group for you. That automatic save is gone but you can
    >>>> always choose at anytime during your IE8 session to save a group of
    >>>> tabs
    >>>> and not just when you close IE8.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2008/09/30/ie8-tab-grouping.aspx
    >>>>
    >>>> It is also possible to reopen the last opened group of tabs by using
    >>>> the
    >>>> Tools -> Reopen Last Browsing Session. So at the *start* of IE8 you
    >>>> can
    >>>> decide whether or not to open your tab group present when you exited
    >>>> IE8
    >>>> rather than have to guess in IE7 that you might want that same tab
    >>>> group
    >>>> opened next time but you might not (but making the choice at the exit
    >>>> of
    >>>> IE7 didn't let you choose at the load of IE7). Personally I find
    >>>> setting the home page to "about:tabs" a bit easier since I can choose
    >>>> the ReOpen Last Browsing Session from that web page instead of drilling
    >>>> through the menus to find it there.
    >>>>
    >>>>> Btw- For unknown reasons I could not find the newsgroup for IE in
    >>>>> Outlook Express, could anyone please provide me the address to the
    >>>>> IE8 newsgroup?
    >>>>
    >>>> Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server along with their "Communities"
    >>>> webnews-for-dummies interface that gateways to Usenet. First will by
    >>>> attrition by gradually removing groups from THEIR server (they can't
    >>>> remove them from non-Microsoft servers). Then Microsoft will kill off
    >>>> their NNTP server. Microsoft is not Usenet. To ensure continued
    >>>> access
    >>>> to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, you will need to connect a
    >>>> newsreader to a non-Microsoft NNTP server or suffer with Microsoft's
    >>>> inane Answers (http://answers.microsoft.com) and other web-based
    >>>> forums.
     
  14. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

  15. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

    > While the newsgroup continues to be carried on other newsservers, traffic
    > has slowed to a crawl and it's beginning to be overwhelmed by spam like
    > http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/c1c6a64b33b73c60 &
    > http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/65c8fdab413f63d6


    Alas, poor old limp OE used by the OP cannot test on the Message-ID
    header to eliminate the Google Grouper crap (whether spam or boobs
    posting from there). Filtering out Google Group originated posts
    eliminates a vast majority of the spam posts while conveniently also
    taking away the dregs-level intelligence crowd using the
    webnews-for-dummies at Google. NewsProxy (aka nFilter), an ancient
    proxy, can be used to define filters to block the Google Groups posts
    but the time to set it up and get it working reliably is better spent
    installing and acquianting oneself with a better newsreader.
     
  16. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    <yawn>

    VanguardLH wrote:
    > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >
    >> While the newsgroup continues to be carried on other newsservers, traffic
    >> has slowed to a crawl and it's beginning to be overwhelmed by spam like
    >> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/c1c6a64b33b73c60
    >> &
    >> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/65c8fdab413f63d6

    >
    > Alas, poor old limp OE used by the OP cannot test on the Message-ID
    > header to eliminate the Google Grouper crap (whether spam or boobs
    > posting from there). Filtering out Google Group originated posts
    > eliminates a vast majority of the spam posts while conveniently also
    > taking away the dregs-level intelligence crowd using the
    > webnews-for-dummies at Google. NewsProxy (aka nFilter), an ancient
    > proxy, can be used to define filters to block the Google Groups posts
    > but the time to set it up and get it working reliably is better spent
    > installing and acquianting oneself with a better newsreader.
     
  17. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

    > <yawn>


    Don't be so hard on yourself.
     
  18. Tim Slattery

    Tim Slattery Flightless Bird

    "NJITGS" <njitgs@verizon.net> wrote:

    >Thank you.
    >
    >I did notice also that I am no longer able to download newsgroups in Outlook
    >Express. Normally if I go into Newsgroups of the email client all I have to
    >do is search a key word and it will list addresses to specific newsgroups
    >that I would subscribe to. How however they seem to be limited. When did
    >this come about?


    It's probably because you're searching the Microsoft news server
    (msnews.microsoft.com). Microsoft is phasing this service out and has
    already dropped many newsgroups. You can still find them on other
    servers. See it your ISP still offers one, or google for them. I like
    eternal-september.com, it doesn't carry binary groups, but it's free.
    Go to www.eternal-september.com for information and the sign-up form.

    --
    Tim Slattery
    Slattery_T@bls.gov
    http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     

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