I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is easier for me to use. Try it.
On 07/27/2010 061 PM, Panic wrote: > I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in > Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item > separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it > says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large > Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is > easier for me to use. > Try it. One of the first things I did when I opened the Control Panel was to change it to icons. -- Alias
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 091:53 -0700, "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in >Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it >says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large >Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is easier >for me to use. >Try it. Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either.
<rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: > "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >>I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in >>Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it >>says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large >>Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>easier >>for me to use. > Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the window so narrow that it has only one column? Joe Morris
"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> wrote in message news:i2ns9b06pl@news1.newsguy.com... > <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: > >>>I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in >>>Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If >>>it >>>says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large >>>Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>easier >>>for me to use. > >> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. > > Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in > columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the > window so narrow that it has only one column? > > Joe Morris > I didn't know that could be done in any version. Well, not automatically, but I guess if you wanted to take the time, it could be done manually in XP. -- SC Tom
Joe Morris wrote: > <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: > >>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in >>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it >>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large >>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>> easier >>> for me to use. > >> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. > > Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in > columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the window > so narrow that it has only one column? No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! -- Crash "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." ~ Samuel Johnson ~
"Dave "Crash" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:KDV3o.40120$3%3.26404@newsfe23.iad... > Joe Morris wrote: >> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened >>>> in >>>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If >>>> it >>>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose >>>> Large >>>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>> easier >>>> for me to use. >> >>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. >> >> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the >> window so narrow that it has only one column? > > No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! Another change forced on us by Microsoft for reasons only they know. Ah, no, I think I _do_ know the reason. They are moving everything from word-based to icon based. Eventually, there won't even be a keyboard. Who needs letters when you do everything with icons?... -- Jeff
"Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:i2po0s$n24$1@news.albasani.net... > > "Dave "Crash" Dummy" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:KDV3o.40120$3%3.26404@newsfe23.iad... >> Joe Morris wrote: >>> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened >>>>> in >>>>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. >>>>> If it >>>>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose >>>>> Large >>>>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>>> easier >>>>> for me to use. >>> >>>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. >>> >>> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >>> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the >>> window so narrow that it has only one column? >> >> No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! > > Another change forced on us by Microsoft for reasons only they know. > > Ah, no, I think I _do_ know the reason. They are moving everything from > word-based to icon based. Eventually, there won't even be a keyboard. > Who needs letters when you do everything with icons?... > > -- > > Jeff For curiosity's sake, how was it done in previous versions? I don't see any 'sort by column' setting on my XP machine. -- SC Tom
"Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:i2po0s$n24$1@news.albasani.net... > Another change forced on us by Microsoft for reasons only they know. > > Ah, no, I think I _do_ know the reason. They are moving everything from > word-based to icon based. Eventually, there won't even be a keyboard. > Who needs letters when you do everything with icons?... I wish you were joking, but I suspect you might be right, and it isn't just Microsoft. I got a new car stereo recently and instead of buttons and knobs with clear labels and functions, I now have to deal with tiny buttons that call up menus and sub-menus and sub-sub-menus on a display screen. So instead of just turning a knob to adjust the bass, now I'd have to pull over, open the manual and call up the right menu to tweak the bass to my liking. I guess that's why the thing came with a remote control, it's the only way to change anything while keeping your eyes on the road. I remember when Favorites were displayed as a screenful of icons--I liked that. Now I have to scroll through lists searching for the website I want; how is that an improvement? I've been running Windows 7 for a week, and I'm still wondering exactly why I didn't get XP installed on this new computer....
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:458 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: > Joe Morris wrote: >> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in >>>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it >>>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large >>>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>> easier >>>> for me to use. >> >>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. >> >> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the window >> so narrow that it has only one column? > > No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! Actually, you'd have to rewrite the program. How are you in C++? The reason it sorts in rows and not in columns is that it is *much* easier to do that in code. And it is hardly unique to Windows or even to Windows programs. I've always hated sorting in rows too... -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
"Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message news:1rkn1eru1no24$.1wy3e0ing4gky.dlg@40tude.net... > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:458 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: > >> Joe Morris wrote: >>> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened >>>>> in >>>>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. >>>>> If it >>>>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose >>>>> Large >>>>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>>> easier >>>>> for me to use. >>> >>>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. >>> >>> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >>> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the >>> window >>> so narrow that it has only one column? >> >> No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! > > Actually, you'd have to rewrite the program. How are you in C++? > > The reason it sorts in rows and not in columns is that it is *much* easier > to do that in code. And it is hardly unique to Windows or even to Windows > programs. > > I've always hated sorting in rows too... > > -- > Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) As a matter of fact, next time you look at Control Panel, you might notice near the top of the window are some black triangles on either side of some words. If you look at the black triangle on the rhs of the words 'All Control Panel Items' and then left click on it, you will see a single column of items sorted alphabetically downwards, which is what the man wanted.
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:14:17 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:458 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: > >> Joe Morris wrote: >>> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in >>>>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it >>>>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large >>>>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>>> easier >>>>> for me to use. >>> >>>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. >>> >>> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >>> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the window >>> so narrow that it has only one column? >> >> No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! > >Actually, you'd have to rewrite the program. How are you in C++? > >The reason it sorts in rows and not in columns is that it is *much* easier >to do that in code. And it is hardly unique to Windows or even to Windows >programs. > >I've always hated sorting in rows too... I used to do some (primarily VB5/VB6) programming back in the day, and I think this is one of those classic times where my ignorance didn't serve me well, or else it saved me, depending on your perspective. I didn't realize (until now) that sorting and displaying objects into multiple columns was supposed to be more difficult than sorting and displaying those same objects into multiple rows, so to me there was no difference in the level of effort between the two. Enumerate the set of objects, sort them as desired, get their dimensions, get the dimensions of the bounding container, print. If you're sorting by columns but printing in rows, the interim data collection will look a little funky, but the end result is as expected. I'm curious as to why this is programmatically difficult? I'm quite sure I didn't break any new ground.
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:53:48 +0100, "johnbee" <johnbrockbank@com.invalid> wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:458 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: >> >>> Joe Morris wrote: >>>> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >>>> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the >>>> window >>>> so narrow that it has only one column? >>> >>> No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! >> >As a matter of fact, next time you look at Control Panel, you might notice >near the top of the window are some black triangles on either side of some >words. If you look at the black triangle on the rhs of the words 'All >Control Panel Items' and then left click on it, you will see a single column >of items sorted alphabetically downwards, which is what the man wanted. I thought he wanted columns, (plural), not column, (singular).
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:53:48 +0100, johnbee wrote: > "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message > news:1rkn1eru1no24$.1wy3e0ing4gky.dlg@40tude.net... >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:458 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: >> >>> Joe Morris wrote: >>>> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>>>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened >>>>>> in >>>>>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>>>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. >>>>>> If it >>>>>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose >>>>>> Large >>>>>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>>>> easier >>>>>> for me to use. >>>> >>>>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. >>>> >>>> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >>>> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the >>>> window >>>> so narrow that it has only one column? >>> >>> No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! >> >> Actually, you'd have to rewrite the program. How are you in C++? >> >> The reason it sorts in rows and not in columns is that it is *much* easier >> to do that in code. And it is hardly unique to Windows or even to Windows >> programs. >> >> I've always hated sorting in rows too... >> >> -- >> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) > > As a matter of fact, next time you look at Control Panel, you might notice > near the top of the window are some black triangles on either side of some > words. If you look at the black triangle on the rhs of the words 'All > Control Panel Items' and then left click on it, you will see a single column > of items sorted alphabetically downwards, which is what the man wanted. 1. That has nothing to do with my post. 2. Look at Joe Morris's post upthread for a remark related to what you said. He didn't seem to like the single-column method of sorting. 3. On my Control Panel, the only black triangles are in the Address Bar, which I guess might be what you meant by "near the top of the window", and they don't manage to do quite what you claim. I have 55 items in the panel, and the most ambitious of the black triangles ("All Control Panel Items", like you said) shows only about 29 items. Just one example: "Quick Time (32-bit)" isn't in that drop-down menu. Incidentally and FWIW, most of the time I like the Category View. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:439 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:14:17 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" > <not-me@other.invalid> wrote: > >>On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:458 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: >> >>> Joe Morris wrote: >>>> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>>>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in >>>>>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>>>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it >>>>>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large >>>>>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>>>> easier >>>>>> for me to use. >>>> >>>>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. >>>> >>>> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >>>> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the window >>>> so narrow that it has only one column? >>> >>> No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! >> >>Actually, you'd have to rewrite the program. How are you in C++? >> >>The reason it sorts in rows and not in columns is that it is *much* easier >>to do that in code. And it is hardly unique to Windows or even to Windows >>programs. >> >>I've always hated sorting in rows too... > > I used to do some (primarily VB5/VB6) programming back in the day, and > I think this is one of those classic times where my ignorance didn't > serve me well, or else it saved me, depending on your perspective. I > didn't realize (until now) that sorting and displaying objects into > multiple columns was supposed to be more difficult than sorting and > displaying those same objects into multiple rows, so to me there was > no difference in the level of effort between the two. > > Enumerate the set of objects, sort them as desired, get their > dimensions, get the dimensions of the bounding container, print. If > you're sorting by columns but printing in rows, the interim data > collection will look a little funky, but the end result is as > expected. > > I'm curious as to why this is programmatically difficult? I'm quite > sure I didn't break any new ground. Your paragraph starting "Enumerate..." answers your question (but please see below). In other words, I meant "difficult" in comparison to just printing the list in order, n items per line. Of course that requires the difficult step of figuring out the value of n, or at least figuring out where the line ends I used difficult (by implication, in contrast to where I said "much easier") to mean "it requires a moment of thought and a tiny bit of effort", i.e., I was (intentionally) exaggerating for irony. Or is it sardonicism? I can never tell. I no longer quite remember (it's been a while), but I think on occasion I have presented output from a program in a list sorted by column. It's also even easier than you said above. Say you can compute that you need four columns and that there are m items. Let k = (m+3)/4. The first line gets items numbered 1, k+1, 2k+1, & 3k+1. Then print 2, k+2, 2k+2, & 3k+2. Rinse and repeat as necessary. Be careful on the last line. This is in fact a restatement of what you said above, so of course it's not really easier. Note: I didn't debug the above -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 1427 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:439 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:14:17 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" >> <not-me@other.invalid> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:458 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: >>> >>>> Joe Morris wrote: >>>>> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>>>>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't like the way Control Panel displays. I found that it opened in >>>>>>> Category View and I liked the old way where you could view each item >>>>>>> separately. Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it >>>>>>> says Category View click on the arrow head on the right and choose Large >>>>>>> Icons or Small Icons. Yay! Now it looks the way I'm used to and is >>>>>>> easier >>>>>>> for me to use. >>>>> >>>>>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened up either. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the control panel names in >>>>> columns instead of rows when in "icon" mode, other than by making the window >>>>> so narrow that it has only one column? >>>> >>>> No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! >>> >>>Actually, you'd have to rewrite the program. How are you in C++? >>> >>>The reason it sorts in rows and not in columns is that it is *much* easier >>>to do that in code. And it is hardly unique to Windows or even to Windows >>>programs. >>> >>>I've always hated sorting in rows too... >> >> I used to do some (primarily VB5/VB6) programming back in the day, and >> I think this is one of those classic times where my ignorance didn't >> serve me well, or else it saved me, depending on your perspective. I >> didn't realize (until now) that sorting and displaying objects into >> multiple columns was supposed to be more difficult than sorting and >> displaying those same objects into multiple rows, so to me there was >> no difference in the level of effort between the two. >> >> Enumerate the set of objects, sort them as desired, get their >> dimensions, get the dimensions of the bounding container, print. If >> you're sorting by columns but printing in rows, the interim data >> collection will look a little funky, but the end result is as >> expected. >> >> I'm curious as to why this is programmatically difficult? I'm quite >> sure I didn't break any new ground. > >Your paragraph starting "Enumerate..." answers your question (but please >see below). > >In other words, I meant "difficult" in comparison to just printing the list >in order, n items per line. Of course that requires the difficult step of >figuring out the value of n, or at least figuring out where the line ends > > >I used difficult (by implication, in contrast to where I said "much >easier") to mean "it requires a moment of thought and a tiny bit of >effort", i.e., I was (intentionally) exaggerating for irony. Or is it >sardonicism? I can never tell. > >I no longer quite remember (it's been a while), but I think on occasion I >have presented output from a program in a list sorted by column. > >It's also even easier than you said above. Say you can compute that you >need four columns and that there are m items. Let k = (m+3)/4. The first >line gets items numbered 1, k+1, 2k+1, & 3k+1. Then print 2, k+2, 2k+2, & >3k+2. Rinse and repeat as necessary. Be careful on the last line. This is >in fact a restatement of what you said above, so of course it's not really >easier. > >Note: I didn't debug the above Thanks, Gene. I see what you mean. Slightly more difficult in comparison to simple row printing, but not extremely difficult in practice. I'm thinking Microsoft could very easily achieve this level of difficulty, (after all, you and I were able to), but their focus groups probably never identified a desire for it.
"johnbee" <johnbrockbank@com.invalid> wrote: > "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote: >> Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: >>> Joe Morris wrote: >>>> <rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote: >>>>> "Panic" <wrong@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>> Near the upper right there is a little View By window. If it says >>>>>> Category View click on the arrow head on >>>>>> the right and choose Large Icons or Small Icons. >>>>> Wow, thanks for that! I didn't like the way it opened >>>>> up either. >>>> Has anyone found a way to make Windows 7 sort the >>>> control panel names in columns instead of rows when >>>> in "icon" mode, other than by making the window so >>>> narrow that it has only one column? >>> No, but if you find a way, be sure to post it! >> Actually, you'd have to rewrite the program. How are you in C++? >> >> The reason it sorts in rows and not in columns is that it is *much* >> easier >> to do that in code. And it is hardly unique to Windows or even to Windows >> programs. > As a matter of fact, next time you look at Control Panel, you might notice > near the top of the window are some black triangles on either side of some > words. If you look at the black triangle on the rhs of the words 'All > Control Panel Items' and then left click on it, you will see a single > column of items sorted alphabetically downwards, which is what the man > wanted. Well...not quite. Two problems with that approach: 1) it's unnecessary extra steps to produce a list that was trivially easy to set up in XP. Another word for that is "user-hostile." 2) The list of control panels, at least on my system, is longer that the drop-down box, meaning that you have to take extra steps to scroll down, meaning that the entries at the top are no longer visible. This is especially an issue for users who don't know all about the guts of Windows and are just trying to *use* the computer to do their jobs. On my testbed the dropdown list displays eighteen control panels, ending in "Performance Information and Tools" meaning that to see the remaining twenty control panels (and this is a sterile testbed, missing the several applications that add their own entries) aren't shown by default. In summary: it's a wholly unnecessary irritation. Joe Morris
"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote: [wanting the control panel in Win7 to appear in alpha sort, in columns] > For curiosity's sake, how was it done in previous versions? I don't see > any 'sort by column' setting on my XP machine. No problem in XP. Open Control Panel, left-click the menu item VIEW -> DETAILS, click the column header "Name" until you see an upward-pointing triangle, then click VIEW -> LIST. (If you want to confuse someone, sort on the *comments* instead by clicking that column header!) Joe MOrris
"Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> wrote in message news:i2qjis030h1@news5.newsguy.com... > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote: > > [wanting the control panel in Win7 to appear in alpha sort, in columns] > >> For curiosity's sake, how was it done in previous versions? I don't see >> any 'sort by column' setting on my XP machine. > > No problem in XP. Open Control Panel, left-click the menu item VIEW -> > DETAILS, click the column header "Name" until you see an upward-pointing > triangle, then click VIEW -> LIST. > > (If you want to confuse someone, sort on the *comments* instead by > clicking that column header!) > > Joe MOrris > That's not what I thought it would be. I was thinking "icons sorted by columns," but you're correct; that does sort in columns Thanks! -- SC Tom
On 28/07/2010 184, SC Tom wrote: > > For curiosity's sake, how was it done in previous versions? I don't see > any 'sort by column' setting on my XP machine. View-List