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Classic Start Menu

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Rod Munsie, Jan 6, 2010.

  1. Rod Munsie

    Rod Munsie Flightless Bird

    As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of
    thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7 look like
    my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One look was all it
    took.)

    Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to take in
    creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options available
    and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want to end up
    with two Start buttons.
     
  2. Stubbo of Oz

    Stubbo of Oz Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net> wrote:

    >As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of
    >thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7 look like
    >my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One look was all it
    >took.)
    >
    >Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to take in
    >creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options available
    >and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want to end up
    >with two Start buttons.
    >


    I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-

    http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

    It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    problems and its just like the old XP classic menu



    --
    ----------------
    Stubbo of Oz
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  3. Fred

    Fred Flightless Bird

    "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:1ulak5d0qc3f6o0q5jvqu9c6evaj2dui72@4ax.com...
    > On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >
    >>As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of
    >>thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7 look like
    >>my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One look was all it
    >>took.)
    >>
    >>Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to take
    >>in
    >>creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options
    >>available
    >>and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want to end
    >>up
    >>with two Start buttons.
    >>

    >
    > I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-
    >
    > http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >
    > It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    > problems and its just like the old XP classic menu
    >


    But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.
     
  4. Mike Hall - MVP

    Mike Hall - MVP Flightless Bird

    "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message
    news:hi3o9s$57d$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:1ulak5d0qc3f6o0q5jvqu9c6evaj2dui72@4ax.com...
    >> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of
    >>>thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7 look
    >>>like
    >>>my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One look was all it
    >>>took.)
    >>>
    >>>Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to take
    >>>in
    >>>creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options
    >>>available
    >>>and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want to end
    >>>up
    >>>with two Start buttons.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-
    >>
    >> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>
    >> It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    >> problems and its just like the old XP classic menu
    >>

    >
    > But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.
    >


    That is a matter of opinion..

    --

    Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
     
  5. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:hi4m1c$h51$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    > "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message
    > news:hi3o9s$57d$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>
    >> "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:1ulak5d0qc3f6o0q5jvqu9c6evaj2dui72@4ax.com...
    >>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of
    >>>>thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7 look
    >>>>like
    >>>>my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One look was all
    >>>>it
    >>>>took.)
    >>>>
    >>>>Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to take
    >>>>in
    >>>>creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options
    >>>>available
    >>>>and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want to
    >>>>end up
    >>>>with two Start buttons.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-
    >>>
    >>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>
    >>> It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    >>> problems and its just like the old XP classic menu
    >>>

    >>
    >> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.
    >>

    >
    > That is a matter of opinion..
    >
    > --
    >
    > Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
    > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/


    No, he's right, it ain't broke. It may not be what a lot of people want
    (myself included), but I wouldn't consider it broke.

    If I had stayed with the default XP start menu when it first came out
    instead of changing it to Classic, I probably would be a bit more
    comfortable and proficient with the Win7 one. But I still run Classic on my
    XP box, and am pretty much used to Win7 one.
    I did progress some with Vista, though- I had a combo bastardized set up
    between Vista Default and Classic LOL!

    All in all, I don't think the Win7 menu is as bad as the Vista one was. I'll
    keep this one, I think.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  6. Sunny Bard

    Sunny Bard Flightless Bird

    On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:

    > "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to take
    >>> in creating a "classic" start menu?

    >>
    >> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

    >
    > But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.


    Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to
    give people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should have.

    Bravo to Ivo Beltchev.
     
  7. Fred

    Fred Flightless Bird

    "Sunny Bard" <sunnybard@txinfo.org> wrote in message
    news:hi5fjl$ogi$1@sunnybard.eternal-september.org...
    > On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:
    >
    >> "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>> take
    >>>> in creating a "classic" start menu?
    >>>
    >>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

    >>
    >> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >
    > Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    > prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to give
    > people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should have.



    Which doesn't explain what is broken or how.
     
  8. Jeff Layman

    Jeff Layman Flightless Bird

    Sunny Bard wrote:
    > On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:
    >
    >> "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>> take in creating a "classic" start menu?
    >>>
    >>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

    >>
    >> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >
    > Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    > prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to
    > give people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should have.
    >


    Amen to that. But it happens with everything.

    Take IE8 - the main issue with IE7 was security, so MS needed to fix that
    with IE8. Fine. But they decided it was necessary to redesign it and add
    "Feechas". Now that wouldn't have been so bad if they would have added one
    more option - "Make IE8 look and behave like my IE7 setup". With that, I
    could have lived with IE8, and maybe slowly changed to its new ways and
    appearance. But that option wasn't there, and I couldn't get it to look
    like the IE7 I was familiar with. So I uninstalled it.

    Now I've got Win7, I've got IE8. I still don't like it, and will install
    Firefox or Opera. The latter will also give me a basic email & newsreader,
    if I install WLM and don't like it.

    --
    Jeff
     
  9. Fred

    Fred Flightless Bird

    "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hi5h8o$81c$1@news.albasani.net...
    > Sunny Bard wrote:
    >> On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>> take in creating a "classic" start menu?
    >>>>
    >>>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>
    >>> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >>
    >> Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    >> prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to
    >> give people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should have.
    >>

    >
    > Amen to that. But it happens with everything.
    >
    > Take IE8 - the main issue with IE7 was security, so MS needed to fix that
    > with IE8. Fine. But they decided it was necessary to redesign it and add
    > "Feechas". Now that wouldn't have been so bad if they would have added one
    > more option - "Make IE8 look and behave like my IE7 setup". With that, I
    > could have lived with IE8, and maybe slowly changed to its new ways and
    > appearance. But that option wasn't there, and I couldn't get it to look
    > like the IE7 I was familiar with. So I uninstalled it.
    >
    > Now I've got Win7, I've got IE8. I still don't like it, and will install
    > Firefox or Opera. The latter will also give me a basic email &
    > newsreader, if I install WLM and don't like it.
    >
    > --
    > Jeff


    I can't see any difference between IE 7 and IE 8. But anyway you can install
    mozilla Thunderbird for email and newgroups without installing firefox. You
    don't need the whole package.
     
  10. Stubbo of Oz

    Stubbo of Oz Flightless Bird

    On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:35:09 +1300, "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >news:1ulak5d0qc3f6o0q5jvqu9c6evaj2dui72@4ax.com...
    >> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of
    >>>thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7 look like
    >>>my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One look was all it
    >>>took.)
    >>>
    >>>Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to take
    >>>in
    >>>creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options
    >>>available
    >>>and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want to end
    >>>up
    >>>with two Start buttons.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-
    >>
    >> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>
    >> It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    >> problems and its just like the old XP classic menu
    >>

    >
    >But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.


    BUT, if you spend a minute to think about it, it isn't a matter of
    being broke or not!! I never said it was broke.

    It is a matter of personal preferences. I do not like the new style
    menu - I prefer the classic one.

    You, on the other hand, are quite entitled to prefer the new one.


    --
    ----------------
    Stubbo of Oz
    ----------------
     
  11. Andy

    Andy Flightless Bird

    Stubbo of Oz <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:35:09 +1300, "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>news:1ulak5d0qc3f6o0q5jvqu9c6evaj2dui72@4ax.com...
    >>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school
    >>>>of thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7
    >>>>look like my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One
    >>>>look was all it took.)
    >>>>
    >>>>Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>take in
    >>>>creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options
    >>>>available
    >>>>and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want
    >>>>to end up
    >>>>with two Start buttons.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-
    >>>
    >>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>
    >>> It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    >>> problems and its just like the old XP classic menu
    >>>

    >>
    >>But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >
    > BUT, if you spend a minute to think about it, it isn't a matter of
    > being broke or not!! I never said it was broke.
    >
    > It is a matter of personal preferences. I do not like the new style
    > menu - I prefer the classic one.
    >
    > You, on the other hand, are quite entitled to prefer the new one.



    I visited sourceforget.net (pun intended;) out of curiosity. Does it
    comply with the T,L,B,R task bar positioning?

    I didn't install it, being a beta software.

    Does it play nice with the various taskbar positions?

    Andy
     
  12. Fred

    Fred Flightless Bird

    "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:2pmck5t0lqjd8i967hm32k7gq21euc25n9@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:35:09 +1300, "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>news:1ulak5d0qc3f6o0q5jvqu9c6evaj2dui72@4ax.com...
    >>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of
    >>>>thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7 look
    >>>>like
    >>>>my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One look was all
    >>>>it
    >>>>took.)
    >>>>
    >>>>Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to take
    >>>>in
    >>>>creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options
    >>>>available
    >>>>and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want to
    >>>>end
    >>>>up
    >>>>with two Start buttons.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-
    >>>
    >>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>
    >>> It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    >>> problems and its just like the old XP classic menu
    >>>

    >>
    >>But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >
    > BUT, if you spend a minute to think about it, it isn't a matter of
    > being broke or not!! I never said it was broke.
    >
    > It is a matter of personal preferences. I do not like the new style
    > menu - I prefer the classic one.
    >
    > You, on the other hand, are quite entitled to prefer the new one.


    But you're not the original poster, who doesn't like fixing things that aint
    broke. For what it's worth I don't really have a preference but certainly
    can't see anything wrong with W7 or XP. Neither are broke - but W7 is
    faster.
     
  13. Stubbo of Oz

    Stubbo of Oz Flightless Bird

    On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:14:51 -0600, Andy <a@b.c> wrote:

    >Stubbo of Oz <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:35:09 +1300, "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>"Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>news:1ulak5d0qc3f6o0q5jvqu9c6evaj2dui72@4ax.com...
    >>>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school
    >>>>>of thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7
    >>>>>look like my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One
    >>>>>look was all it took.)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>>take in
    >>>>>creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options
    >>>>>available
    >>>>>and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want
    >>>>>to end up
    >>>>>with two Start buttons.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-
    >>>>
    >>>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>>
    >>>> It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    >>>> problems and its just like the old XP classic menu
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >>
    >> BUT, if you spend a minute to think about it, it isn't a matter of
    >> being broke or not!! I never said it was broke.
    >>
    >> It is a matter of personal preferences. I do not like the new style
    >> menu - I prefer the classic one.
    >>
    >> You, on the other hand, are quite entitled to prefer the new one.

    >
    >
    >I visited sourceforget.net (pun intended;) out of curiosity. Does it
    >comply with the T,L,B,R task bar positioning?
    >
    >I didn't install it, being a beta software.
    >
    >Does it play nice with the various taskbar positions?
    >


    It seems to work equally well when task bar it top, left, right or
    bottom but I did not leave it at any position othre than bottom for
    very long.




    --
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    Stubbo of Oz
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  14. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:hi5h8o$81c$1@news.albasani.net...
    > Sunny Bard wrote:
    >> On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>> take in creating a "classic" start menu?
    >>>>
    >>>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>
    >>> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >>
    >> Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    >> prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to
    >> give people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should have.
    >>

    >
    > Amen to that. But it happens with everything.
    >
    > Take IE8 - the main issue with IE7 was security, so MS needed to fix that
    > with IE8. Fine. But they decided it was necessary to redesign it and add
    > "Feechas". Now that wouldn't have been so bad if they would have added one
    > more option - "Make IE8 look and behave like my IE7 setup". With that, I
    > could have lived with IE8, and maybe slowly changed to its new ways and
    > appearance. But that option wasn't there, and I couldn't get it to look
    > like the IE7 I was familiar with. So I uninstalled it.
    >
    > Now I've got Win7, I've got IE8. I still don't like it, and will install
    > Firefox or Opera. The latter will also give me a basic email &
    > newsreader, if I install WLM and don't like it.
    >
    > --
    > Jeff
    >


    I agree with Fred on this- I have IE8 on Win7 and IE7 on XP and don't see
    that much difference. The "Add to Favorites" icon is gone, and a new tab
    brings up a lot of crap info AFAIC, but other than that, they act the same
    for me.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  15. Fred

    Fred Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    news:L8y1n.12501$_H7.2543@newsfe24.iad...
    >
    > "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:hi5h8o$81c$1@news.albasani.net...
    >> Sunny Bard wrote:
    >>> On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>>> take in creating a "classic" start menu?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>>
    >>>> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.
    >>>
    >>> Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    >>> prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to
    >>> give people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should
    >>> have.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Amen to that. But it happens with everything.
    >>
    >> Take IE8 - the main issue with IE7 was security, so MS needed to fix that
    >> with IE8. Fine. But they decided it was necessary to redesign it and
    >> add "Feechas". Now that wouldn't have been so bad if they would have
    >> added one more option - "Make IE8 look and behave like my IE7 setup".
    >> With that, I could have lived with IE8, and maybe slowly changed to its
    >> new ways and appearance. But that option wasn't there, and I couldn't
    >> get it to look like the IE7 I was familiar with. So I uninstalled it.
    >>
    >> Now I've got Win7, I've got IE8. I still don't like it, and will install
    >> Firefox or Opera. The latter will also give me a basic email &
    >> newsreader, if I install WLM and don't like it.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Jeff
    >>

    >
    > I agree with Fred on this- I have IE8 on Win7 and IE7 on XP and don't see
    > that much difference. The "Add to Favorites" icon is gone, and a new tab
    > brings up a lot of crap info AFAIC, but other than that, they act the same
    > for me.



    Add to favorites is still there on IE8.
     
  16. Jeff Layman

    Jeff Layman Flightless Bird

    Fred wrote:
    (snip)
    >
    > I can't see any difference between IE 7 and IE 8. But anyway you can
    > install mozilla Thunderbird for email and newgroups without installing
    > firefox. You don't need the whole package.


    You can't? This is what I posted last March to
    public.microsoft.internetexplorer.general:

    ++++++++++++

    1. I can't combine toolbars on one line. To save wasted space, I used to
    have the Links bar on the RHS of the Command bar (with Spoofstick in the
    middle). No longer possible with IE8. To be fair, Opera can't do this
    either.

    2. In the same vein the "Find" box no longer floats but adds yet another bar
    to reduce the screen page size. The IE7 floating box could be put above the
    page if necessary to avoid blocking the page content (ie restricting the
    toolbars, but that didn't matter whilst using "Find").

    3. The half-hearted attempt at showing spoof addresses by highlighting the
    domain name whilst greying out the rest of the address. This is really
    annoying if I want to select part of the address, which is now much less
    visible against the white address background. If you want to see how this
    should be done, just load the BHO "Spoofstick".

    None of the above can be turned off or made an option to behave like they
    did in IE7. Why?

    I must say that I don't have much use for accelerators or web slices, but
    can see how others could find these very useful. But these are options
    which can (more or less) be turned off.

    And I like the idea of linked tabs showing up in one colour. But I found
    that it was now hard to tell which tab marked the open page on screen.
    Sure, there was always the "x" to see. Previously, without this linking
    facility the open tab was white, whilst all the others were grey. Now the
    open tab's distinguishing marking (apart from the "x") is that the bottom
    10% of it is grey. Why not make it all white with the bottom part coloured?
    Much more obvious.

    +++++++++++++++

    AFAIAA nothing has changed with IE8 since I posted the above, unless there
    are some third-party fixes available. In fact, with laptops moving to
    widescreen from 4:3, and showing less vertically, points 1 and 2 are even
    more relevant.

    --
    Jeff
     
  17. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message
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    > "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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    >> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:35:09 +1300, "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>"Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>news:1ulak5d0qc3f6o0q5jvqu9c6evaj2dui72@4ax.com...
    >>>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:32:25 -0600, "Rod Munsie" <rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>As a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" school of
    >>>>>thought, I'm slowly working to make my new laptop with Windows 7 look
    >>>>>like
    >>>>>my desktop with XP. (Yes, I completely skipped Vista. One look was all
    >>>>>it
    >>>>>took.)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>>take
    >>>>>in
    >>>>>creating a "classic" start menu? I know there are several options
    >>>>>available
    >>>>>and likely some are better than others. For instance, I don't want to
    >>>>>end
    >>>>>up
    >>>>>with two Start buttons.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I am using the free program "Classic Start Menu" from here:-
    >>>>
    >>>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>>
    >>>> It's really good - been running it for a few weeks now without
    >>>> problems and its just like the old XP classic menu
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >>
    >> BUT, if you spend a minute to think about it, it isn't a matter of
    >> being broke or not!! I never said it was broke.
    >>
    >> It is a matter of personal preferences. I do not like the new style
    >> menu - I prefer the classic one.
    >>
    >> You, on the other hand, are quite entitled to prefer the new one.

    >
    > But you're not the original poster, who doesn't like fixing things that
    > aint broke. For what it's worth I don't really have a preference but
    > certainly can't see anything wrong with W7 or XP. Neither are broke - but
    > W7 is faster.


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  18. Ophelia

    Ophelia Flightless Bird

    "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message
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    > "Sunny Bard" <sunnybard@txinfo.org> wrote in message
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    >> On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>> take
    >>>>> in creating a "classic" start menu?
    >>>>
    >>>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>
    >>> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.

    >>
    >> Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    >> prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to
    >> give people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should have.

    >
    >
    > Which doesn't explain what is broken or how.


    If Sunny doesn't like it, then it is broken to him/her, especially if it can
    be changed.


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  19. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message
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    > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    > news:L8y1n.12501$_H7.2543@newsfe24.iad...
    >>
    >> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:hi5h8o$81c$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>> Sunny Bard wrote:
    >>>> On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>>>> take in creating a "classic" start menu?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>>>
    >>>>> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.
    >>>>
    >>>> Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    >>>> prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to
    >>>> give people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should
    >>>> have.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Amen to that. But it happens with everything.
    >>>
    >>> Take IE8 - the main issue with IE7 was security, so MS needed to fix
    >>> that with IE8. Fine. But they decided it was necessary to redesign it
    >>> and add "Feechas". Now that wouldn't have been so bad if they would have
    >>> added one more option - "Make IE8 look and behave like my IE7 setup".
    >>> With that, I could have lived with IE8, and maybe slowly changed to its
    >>> new ways and appearance. But that option wasn't there, and I couldn't
    >>> get it to look like the IE7 I was familiar with. So I uninstalled it.
    >>>
    >>> Now I've got Win7, I've got IE8. I still don't like it, and will install
    >>> Firefox or Opera. The latter will also give me a basic email &
    >>> newsreader, if I install WLM and don't like it.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Jeff
    >>>

    >>
    >> I agree with Fred on this- I have IE8 on Win7 and IE7 on XP and don't see
    >> that much difference. The "Add to Favorites" icon is gone, and a new tab
    >> brings up a lot of crap info AFAIC, but other than that, they act the
    >> same for me.

    >
    >
    > Add to favorites is still there on IE8.
    >

    I know, but it doesn't have the little icon next to the Favorites icon. I
    have to click on Favorites, Add to Favorites. Not that it's a big deal or
    that I'm losing all that valuable "clicking" time, but who knows, that one
    extra click may aggravate my arthritis even more :)
     
  20. Fred

    Fred Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
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    > "Fred" <reg@parachute.net.nz> wrote in message
    > news:hi6cdc$ruc$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>
    >> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    >> news:L8y1n.12501$_H7.2543@newsfe24.iad...
    >>>
    >>> "Jeff Layman" <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:hi5h8o$81c$1@news.albasani.net...
    >>>> Sunny Bard wrote:
    >>>>> On 07/01/10 04:35, Fred wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> "Stubbo of Oz"<stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Rod Munsie"<rodm@cox.net> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Does anyone have any strong recommendations as to which approach to
    >>>>>>>> take in creating a "classic" start menu?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> But you're trying to fix something that aint broke.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Depends on your opinion, lack of classic start menu would certainly
    >>>>> prevent (or delay) my installation of Win7, Microsoft should learn to
    >>>>> give people what they want, rather than what *they* think we should
    >>>>> have.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Amen to that. But it happens with everything.
    >>>>
    >>>> Take IE8 - the main issue with IE7 was security, so MS needed to fix
    >>>> that with IE8. Fine. But they decided it was necessary to redesign it
    >>>> and add "Feechas". Now that wouldn't have been so bad if they would
    >>>> have added one more option - "Make IE8 look and behave like my IE7
    >>>> setup". With that, I could have lived with IE8, and maybe slowly
    >>>> changed to its new ways and appearance. But that option wasn't there,
    >>>> and I couldn't get it to look like the IE7 I was familiar with. So I
    >>>> uninstalled it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Now I've got Win7, I've got IE8. I still don't like it, and will
    >>>> install Firefox or Opera. The latter will also give me a basic email &
    >>>> newsreader, if I install WLM and don't like it.
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Jeff
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I agree with Fred on this- I have IE8 on Win7 and IE7 on XP and don't
    >>> see that much difference. The "Add to Favorites" icon is gone, and a
    >>> new tab brings up a lot of crap info AFAIC, but other than that, they
    >>> act the same for me.

    >>
    >>
    >> Add to favorites is still there on IE8.
    >>

    > I know, but it doesn't have the little icon next to the Favorites icon. I
    > have to click on Favorites, Add to Favorites. Not that it's a big deal or
    > that I'm losing all that valuable "clicking" time, but who knows, that one
    > extra click may aggravate my arthritis even more :)
    >

    I'm not a doctor, but here's a partial solution to your arthritis problem
    (sorry - I forgot we no longer have problems. Arthritis issue.) Click on
    the favorites icon on LHS so sidebar is always displayed, and add to
    favorites will be always available .
     

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