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CCleaner use on Registry ??

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Graham, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. Graham

    Graham Flightless Bird

    The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    crashing the pc

    It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    but ...

    QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    the system if I do ??

    tnx - G ..
     
  2. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    "Graham" <g0nbd@hotmail.com> said this in news item
    news:4ea1c806-1400-460d-bf2c-51dc5555cda3@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
    > The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    > crashing the pc
    >
    > It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    > appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    > the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    > but ...
    >
    > QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    > the system if I do ??
    >
    > tnx - G ..


    If you're lucky then it will give you a warm feeling inside without making
    any noticeable difference to the performance of your system. If you're not
    so lucky then it will wreck your system. Use it at your own risk.
     
  3. ANONYMOUS

    ANONYMOUS Flightless Bird

    Graham wrote:

    >The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    >crashing the pc
    >
    >


    Why? Did you expect it to crash your system? You are listening to
    that nutter by the name of Bruce Hagen Pig. CCleaner doesn't crash
    anything.

    >It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    >appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    >the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    >but ...
    >
    >
    >

    This is its best feature and that is exactly what it is for.

    >QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    >the system if I do ??
    >
    >
    >


    It is a good idea to clean the system from time to time. As to whether
    it will improve your system, I doubt it because machines these days are
    quite fast and saving 1 millisecond in search is not going to be noticed
    with your naked eye. To improve the system, I have decided not to
    install any updates post SP3 and my systems are pretty fast although
    they are still PIII and PIV machines.

    hth
     
  4. C

    C Flightless Bird

    Graham wrote:
    > The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    > crashing the pc
    >
    > It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    > appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    > the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    > but ...
    >
    > QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    > the system if I do ??
    >
    > tnx - G ..


    If you're not having any problems, leave them alone.

    --
    C
     
  5. Nil

    Nil Flightless Bird

    On 15 Jan 2010, Graham <g0nbd@hotmail.com> wrote in
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

    > It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    > appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    > the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    > but ...
    >
    > QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    > the system if I do ??


    If you don't understand what it's proposing to do to your registry, you
    ought to leave it alone. CCleaner usually only suggests safe changes,
    but it's not infallible and you could do major damage to your system.
    Any possible improvement would be minor or undetectable.
     
  6. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
    tuned-up, or optimized (it doesn't), read
    http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.

    Graham wrote:
    > The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    > crashing the pc
    >
    > It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    > appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    > the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    > but ...
    >
    > QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    > the system if I do ??
    >
    > tnx - G ..
     
  7. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    Jeeze, Robear! Now "ANONYMOUS" is gonna call you a "nutter" and " pig"
    too! Ain't you scared?


    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:eu8be3klKHA.1824@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
    > tuned-up, or optimized (it doesn't), read
    > http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
    >
    > Graham wrote:
    >> The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    >> crashing the pc
    >>
    >> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    >> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    >> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    >> but ...
    >>
    >> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    >> the system if I do ??
    >>
    >> tnx - G ..

    >
     
  8. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Nah, I plonked him years ago.

    Bruce Hagen wrote:
    > Jeeze, Robear! Now "ANONYMOUS" is gonna call you a "nutter" and " pig"
    > too! Ain't you scared?
    >
    >> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
    >> tuned-up, or optimized (it doesn't), read
    >> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
    >>
    >> Graham wrote:
    >>> The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    >>> crashing the pc
    >>>
    >>> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    >>> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    >>> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    >>> but ...
    >>>
    >>> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    >>> the system if I do ??
    >>>
    >>> tnx - G ..
     
  9. Desmond

    Desmond Flightless Bird

    Registry Cleaners - can and often do, stop the system from restarting.

    They can remove system files as well as other files.
    Best leave cleaning the registry alone.

    Why not to use a reg cleaner..
    http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643
     
  10. Jose

    Jose Flightless Bird

    Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

    On Jan 15, 7:48 pm, Desmond <Desmond.44v...@no.email.invalid> wrote:
    > Registry Cleaners - can and often do, stop the system from restarting.
    >
    > They can remove system files as well as other files.
    > Best leave cleaning the registry alone.
    >
    > Why not to use a reg cleaner..http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643


    Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
    system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
    leave my system unbootable when it is done?

    Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
    that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
    work anymore? I need the function and the registry cleaner that
    breaks it.

    Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
    cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
    good).

    I'm not saying these things are not, but I have never experienced it
    and would like to.
     
  11. John John - MVP

    John John - MVP Flightless Bird

    Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

    Jose wrote:
    > On Jan 15, 7:48 pm, Desmond <Desmond.44v...@no.email.invalid> wrote:
    >> Registry Cleaners - can and often do, stop the system from restarting.
    >>
    >> They can remove system files as well as other files.
    >> Best leave cleaning the registry alone.
    >>
    >> Why not to use a reg cleaner..http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643

    >
    > Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
    > system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
    > leave my system unbootable when it is done?


    "...without my knowledge/consent..." is the operative here. Most
    newbies who use these tools don't have enough experience to know what is
    safe or not safe to delete so they often accept the findings of the
    cleaner at face value and have it delete everything it finds. Many of
    those who have enough experience to know don't bother with cleaners
    because they also know that a handful of orphans in the registry hurts
    nothing so it doesn't bother them. On the other hand some AR types can
    be very obsessed with these few obsolete entries and they put a lot of
    faith in these cleaners, it makes them feel good to find and delete
    these few obsolete entries.



    > Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
    > that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
    > work anymore? I need the function and the registry cleaner that
    > breaks it.
    >
    > Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
    > cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
    > good).


    Are you telling us that you never saw posts in these groups from
    distressed users who experience problems after using some of these
    tools? Run RegSeeker on your machine and have it remove all it finds
    and your wish to experience registry cleaner problems might come true...

    John
     
  12. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

    "Jose" <jose_ease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:9e6c65fd-d8ec-4a97-a89e-fbe35514fc30@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
    On Jan 15, 7:48 pm, Desmond <Desmond.44v...@no.email.invalid> wrote:
    > Registry Cleaners - can and often do, stop the system from restarting.
    >
    > They can remove system files as well as other files.
    > Best leave cleaning the registry alone.
    >
    > Why not to use a reg cleaner..http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643


    Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
    system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
    leave my system unbootable when it is done?

    Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
    that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
    work anymore? I need the function and the registry cleaner that
    breaks it.

    Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
    cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
    good).

    I'm not saying these things are not, but I have never experienced it
    and would like to.
    ===============

    I use CCleaner at home and have never had a problem with any portion of it.
    Of course, I read what it says it is going to do, and act accordingly. I
    don't blindly let it have its way with my system.

    But I used to use it at work before I retired, and the registry cleaning
    part of it could (and did) do some damage to network-run apps. For example
    (from personal experience, not rumor or word of mouth), our AS400 system,
    MacPac, was run from a server with only a small part of the interface
    installed locally. If the registry cleaner was allowed to delete keys with
    "broken" links (network drives), "Unused file extension", or "Missing shared
    DLL", then the program had to be reinstalled locally. Of course, that was
    not done without "my consent", but it did leave the program unusable. I have
    never had it leave a system unbootable, though.

    I think in a home environment, registry cleaners and the like are less
    likely to do any harm than in a network environment. I've used a few since
    the early Win95 days, and have never rendered a system unbootable/unusable,
    be it at home or at work, but I have seen a very few problems like the
    example I gave, but only where network mapped drives or programs are in
    play.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  13. HeyBub

    HeyBub Flightless Bird

    ANONYMOUS wrote:
    >
    > It is a good idea to clean the system from time to time. As to
    > whether it will improve your system, I doubt it because machines
    > these days are quite fast and saving 1 millisecond in search is not
    > going to be noticed with your naked eye. To improve the system, I
    > have decided not to install any updates post SP3 and my systems are
    > pretty fast although they are still PIII and PIV machines.
    >


    If it's not going to be noticed, why is registry cleaning a good idea?

    But your premise is wrong. The registry retrieves entries at virtually the
    same speed irrespective of the registry's size or contents.

    Fussing with the registry is like chunking a stick of dynamite into the
    backyard. I'll enjoy the bang and it probably won't hurt anything.
     
  14. bobster

    bobster Flightless Bird

    Most every decision we are faced with carries its reward/risk ratio, i.e.
    how big is the "payoff" and how significant is the risk. From my 13 years
    as a PC user, I have read hundreds of reports of people using registry
    cleaners and have tried a few myself. What stands out is that the "rewards"
    are generally minor if at all and the "risks" can be substantial, i.e. the
    reward/risk ratio is poor My personal decision has been to avoid them and
    concentrate on keeping my computer "clean" and updated and to use freeware
    protection so that I would never need to "clean" my registry.

    Works for me. YMMV.

    =============================================
    "Graham" <g0nbd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:4ea1c806-1400-460d-bf2c-51dc5555cda3@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
    The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    crashing the pc

    It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    but ...

    QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    the system if I do ??

    tnx - G ..
     
  15. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

    SC Tom wrote:
    > Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
    > system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
    > leave my system unbootable when it is done?


    OneCare & Windows Live Safety Center online scans.

    > Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
    > that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
    > work anymore?...


    How about the thousands of users who ended up with horked installs of Office
    after running a Windows Live Safety Center scan?

    > Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
    > cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
    > good).


    See above. Also see this discussion: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
     
  16. WaIIy

    WaIIy Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:06:50 -0800 (PST), Graham <g0nbd@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    >crashing the pc
    >
    >It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    >appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    >the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    >but ...
    >
    >QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    >the system if I do ??
    >
    >tnx - G ..


    You will likely see no improvement.

    If you aren't positive about what you're doing in the registry, best
    keep out of it.

    One wrong line deleted and you have big trouble.
     
  17. Bruce Chambers

    Bruce Chambers Flightless Bird

    Graham wrote:
    > The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
    > crashing the pc
    >
    > It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
    > appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
    > the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
    > but ...
    >
    > QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
    > the system if I do ??
    >
    > tnx - G ..



    I've tested the most recent recent version (with all updates) version
    on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications
    installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and
    CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned
    registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it
    clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard. (Not that any registry
    cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't serve any
    *useful* purpose, to start with.)

    CCleaner's only real strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in
    its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard
    drive. It differs from the native Windows tool in that it allows more
    granular control and you can specify which folders you want scanned. For
    instance, WinXP's disk cleaner will examine only the profile folders of
    the user who is running the utility. On a single-user machine, this is
    fine, but on a family or other mult-use machine, the ability to clean
    temorary files from all of the user profiles at once is a great time saver.


    --

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  18. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:#2FA9MulKHA.5656@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > SC Tom wrote:
    >> Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
    >> system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
    >> leave my system unbootable when it is done?

    >
    > OneCare & Windows Live Safety Center online scans.
    >
    >> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
    >> that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
    >> work anymore?...

    >
    > How about the thousands of users who ended up with horked installs of
    > Office after running a Windows Live Safety Center scan?
    >
    >> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
    >> cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
    >> good).

    >
    > See above. Also see this discussion:
    > http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
    >


    I didn't ask that; Jose did. My reply is at the bottom of that post :)
    --
    SC Tom
     
  19. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

    SC Tom wrote:
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:#2FA9MulKHA.5656@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> SC Tom wrote:
    >>> Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
    >>> system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
    >>> leave my system unbootable when it is done?

    >>
    >> OneCare & Windows Live Safety Center online scans.
    >>
    >>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
    >>> that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
    >>> work anymore?...

    >>
    >> How about the thousands of users who ended up with horked installs of
    >> Office after running a Windows Live Safety Center scan?
    >>
    >>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a
    >>> registry cleaner will make my system worse than before I started
    >>> (timings are good).

    >>
    >> See above. Also see this discussion:
    >> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
    >>

    >
    > I didn't ask that; Jose did. My reply is at the bottom of that post
    > :)


    That is frustrating! I hate when that happens! :)

    If you look at the attribution levels in your post, I can see how PA
    Bear thought those were your words. This confusion is the result of two
    things that don't play well with Usenet:

    1. Jose posted from Google Groups, which appearently uses the incorrect
    Quoted Printable format.

    2. You responded to Jose's problematic post (in that it is in the QP
    format) using a news reader (Outlook Express, usually, but Windows Live
    Mail in your case) that has difficulty allowing for this kind of
    situation. I also use OE, but since I also use Quote-Fix, the
    attribution levels are shifted to where they should be (that is, if I
    were replying directly to Jose). Notice John John's reply to Jose. Its
    attribution marks are where they should be, too (he uses Thunderbird).
     
  20. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

    "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
    news:-OG$jf4vlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > SC Tom wrote:
    >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:#2FA9MulKHA.5656@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>> SC Tom wrote:
    >>>> Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
    >>>> system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
    >>>> leave my system unbootable when it is done?
    >>>
    >>> OneCare & Windows Live Safety Center online scans.
    >>>
    >>>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
    >>>> that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
    >>>> work anymore?...
    >>>
    >>> How about the thousands of users who ended up with horked installs of
    >>> Office after running a Windows Live Safety Center scan?
    >>>
    >>>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a
    >>>> registry cleaner will make my system worse than before I started
    >>>> (timings are good).
    >>>
    >>> See above. Also see this discussion:
    >>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
    >>>

    >>
    >> I didn't ask that; Jose did. My reply is at the bottom of that post
    >> :)

    >
    > That is frustrating! I hate when that happens! :)
    >
    > If you look at the attribution levels in your post, I can see how PA Bear
    > thought those were your words. This confusion is the result of two things
    > that don't play well with Usenet:
    >
    > 1. Jose posted from Google Groups, which appearently uses the incorrect
    > Quoted Printable format.
    >
    > 2. You responded to Jose's problematic post (in that it is in the QP
    > format) using a news reader (Outlook Express, usually, but Windows Live
    > Mail in your case) that has difficulty allowing for this kind of
    > situation. I also use OE, but since I also use Quote-Fix, the attribution
    > levels are shifted to where they should be (that is, if I were replying
    > directly to Jose). Notice John John's reply to Jose. Its attribution marks
    > are where they should be, too (he uses Thunderbird).
    >


    That was why I placed a line of equal signs between the end of his post and
    mine. Guess I should have explained what that was for, or made a note like
    <end post> <reply start>.
    Tried T'bird- didn't like it. I've never heard of Quote-Fix. I'll have to
    look that up.
    --
    SC Tom
     

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