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CCleaner use on Registry ??

G

Graham

Flightless Bird
The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
crashing the pc

It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
but ...

QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
the system if I do ??

tnx - G ..
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

Flightless Bird
"Graham" <g0nbd@hotmail.com> said this in news item
news:4ea1c806-1400-460d-bf2c-51dc5555cda3@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
> crashing the pc
>
> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
> but ...
>
> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
> the system if I do ??
>
> tnx - G ..

If you're lucky then it will give you a warm feeling inside without making
any noticeable difference to the performance of your system. If you're not
so lucky then it will wreck your system. Use it at your own risk.
 
A

ANONYMOUS

Flightless Bird
Graham wrote:

>The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
>crashing the pc
>
>

Why? Did you expect it to crash your system? You are listening to
that nutter by the name of Bruce Hagen Pig. CCleaner doesn't crash
anything.

>It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
>appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
>the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
>but ...
>
>
>
This is its best feature and that is exactly what it is for.

>QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
>the system if I do ??
>
>
>

It is a good idea to clean the system from time to time. As to whether
it will improve your system, I doubt it because machines these days are
quite fast and saving 1 millisecond in search is not going to be noticed
with your naked eye. To improve the system, I have decided not to
install any updates post SP3 and my systems are pretty fast although
they are still PIII and PIV machines.

hth
 
C

C

Flightless Bird
Graham wrote:
> The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
> crashing the pc
>
> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
> but ...
>
> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
> the system if I do ??
>
> tnx - G ..

If you're not having any problems, leave them alone.

--
C
 
N

Nil

Flightless Bird
On 15 Jan 2010, Graham <g0nbd@hotmail.com> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
> but ...
>
> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
> the system if I do ??

If you don't understand what it's proposing to do to your registry, you
ought to leave it alone. CCleaner usually only suggests safe changes,
but it's not infallible and you could do major damage to your system.
Any possible improvement would be minor or undetectable.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
tuned-up, or optimized (it doesn't), read
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.

Graham wrote:
> The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
> crashing the pc
>
> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
> but ...
>
> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
> the system if I do ??
>
> tnx - G ..
 
B

Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
Jeeze, Robear! Now "ANONYMOUS" is gonna call you a "nutter" and " pig"
too! Ain't you scared?


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eu8be3klKHA.1824@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
> tuned-up, or optimized (it doesn't), read
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
>
> Graham wrote:
>> The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
>> crashing the pc
>>
>> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
>> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
>> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
>> but ...
>>
>> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
>> the system if I do ??
>>
>> tnx - G ..
>
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Nah, I plonked him years ago.

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> Jeeze, Robear! Now "ANONYMOUS" is gonna call you a "nutter" and " pig"
> too! Ain't you scared?
>
>> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
>> tuned-up, or optimized (it doesn't), read
>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
>>
>> Graham wrote:
>>> The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
>>> crashing the pc
>>>
>>> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
>>> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
>>> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
>>> but ...
>>>
>>> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
>>> the system if I do ??
>>>
>>> tnx - G ..
 
D

Desmond

Flightless Bird
Registry Cleaners - can and often do, stop the system from restarting.

They can remove system files as well as other files.
Best leave cleaning the registry alone.

Why not to use a reg cleaner..
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

On Jan 15, 7:48 pm, Desmond <Desmond.44v...@no.email.invalid> wrote:
> Registry Cleaners - can and often do, stop the system from restarting.
>
> They can remove system files as well as other files.
> Best leave cleaning the registry alone.
>
> Why not to use a reg cleaner..http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643

Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
leave my system unbootable when it is done?

Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
work anymore? I need the function and the registry cleaner that
breaks it.

Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
good).

I'm not saying these things are not, but I have never experienced it
and would like to.
 
J

John John - MVP

Flightless Bird
Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

Jose wrote:
> On Jan 15, 7:48 pm, Desmond <Desmond.44v...@no.email.invalid> wrote:
>> Registry Cleaners - can and often do, stop the system from restarting.
>>
>> They can remove system files as well as other files.
>> Best leave cleaning the registry alone.
>>
>> Why not to use a reg cleaner..http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643
>
> Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
> system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
> leave my system unbootable when it is done?

"...without my knowledge/consent..." is the operative here. Most
newbies who use these tools don't have enough experience to know what is
safe or not safe to delete so they often accept the findings of the
cleaner at face value and have it delete everything it finds. Many of
those who have enough experience to know don't bother with cleaners
because they also know that a handful of orphans in the registry hurts
nothing so it doesn't bother them. On the other hand some AR types can
be very obsessed with these few obsolete entries and they put a lot of
faith in these cleaners, it makes them feel good to find and delete
these few obsolete entries.



> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
> that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
> work anymore? I need the function and the registry cleaner that
> breaks it.
>
> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
> cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
> good).

Are you telling us that you never saw posts in these groups from
distressed users who experience problems after using some of these
tools? Run RegSeeker on your machine and have it remove all it finds
and your wish to experience registry cleaner problems might come true...

John
 
S

SC Tom

Flightless Bird
Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

"Jose" <jose_ease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e6c65fd-d8ec-4a97-a89e-fbe35514fc30@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 15, 7:48 pm, Desmond <Desmond.44v...@no.email.invalid> wrote:
> Registry Cleaners - can and often do, stop the system from restarting.
>
> They can remove system files as well as other files.
> Best leave cleaning the registry alone.
>
> Why not to use a reg cleaner..http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643

Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
leave my system unbootable when it is done?

Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
work anymore? I need the function and the registry cleaner that
breaks it.

Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
good).

I'm not saying these things are not, but I have never experienced it
and would like to.
===============

I use CCleaner at home and have never had a problem with any portion of it.
Of course, I read what it says it is going to do, and act accordingly. I
don't blindly let it have its way with my system.

But I used to use it at work before I retired, and the registry cleaning
part of it could (and did) do some damage to network-run apps. For example
(from personal experience, not rumor or word of mouth), our AS400 system,
MacPac, was run from a server with only a small part of the interface
installed locally. If the registry cleaner was allowed to delete keys with
"broken" links (network drives), "Unused file extension", or "Missing shared
DLL", then the program had to be reinstalled locally. Of course, that was
not done without "my consent", but it did leave the program unusable. I have
never had it leave a system unbootable, though.

I think in a home environment, registry cleaners and the like are less
likely to do any harm than in a network environment. I've used a few since
the early Win95 days, and have never rendered a system unbootable/unusable,
be it at home or at work, but I have seen a very few problems like the
example I gave, but only where network mapped drives or programs are in
play.
--
SC Tom
 
H

HeyBub

Flightless Bird
ANONYMOUS wrote:
>
> It is a good idea to clean the system from time to time. As to
> whether it will improve your system, I doubt it because machines
> these days are quite fast and saving 1 millisecond in search is not
> going to be noticed with your naked eye. To improve the system, I
> have decided not to install any updates post SP3 and my systems are
> pretty fast although they are still PIII and PIV machines.
>

If it's not going to be noticed, why is registry cleaning a good idea?

But your premise is wrong. The registry retrieves entries at virtually the
same speed irrespective of the registry's size or contents.

Fussing with the registry is like chunking a stick of dynamite into the
backyard. I'll enjoy the bang and it probably won't hurt anything.
 
B

bobster

Flightless Bird
Most every decision we are faced with carries its reward/risk ratio, i.e.
how big is the "payoff" and how significant is the risk. From my 13 years
as a PC user, I have read hundreds of reports of people using registry
cleaners and have tried a few myself. What stands out is that the "rewards"
are generally minor if at all and the "risks" can be substantial, i.e. the
reward/risk ratio is poor My personal decision has been to avoid them and
concentrate on keeping my computer "clean" and updated and to use freeware
protection so that I would never need to "clean" my registry.

Works for me. YMMV.

=============================================
"Graham" <g0nbd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ea1c806-1400-460d-bf2c-51dc5555cda3@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
crashing the pc

It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
but ...

QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
the system if I do ??

tnx - G ..
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

SC Tom wrote:
> Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
> system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
> leave my system unbootable when it is done?

OneCare & Windows Live Safety Center online scans.

> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
> that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
> work anymore?...

How about the thousands of users who ended up with horked installs of Office
after running a Windows Live Safety Center scan?

> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
> cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
> good).

See above. Also see this discussion: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
 
W

WaIIy

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:06:50 -0800 (PST), Graham <g0nbd@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
>crashing the pc
>
>It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
>appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
>the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
>but ...
>
>QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
>the system if I do ??
>
>tnx - G ..

You will likely see no improvement.

If you aren't positive about what you're doing in the registry, best
keep out of it.

One wrong line deleted and you have big trouble.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Flightless Bird
Graham wrote:
> The CCleaner prog , seems to remove most old files etc without
> crashing the pc
>
> It has a registry clean-up facility as well , which when run
> appears to find 2 pages of 'things' to mend .. at the click of
> the mouse .... I can see the remains of some 'old' things in there
> but ...
>
> QQ is it a good idea to .. and will it make any improvements to
> the system if I do ??
>
> tnx - G ..


I've tested the most recent recent version (with all updates) version
on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications
installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and
CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned
registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it
clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard. (Not that any registry
cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't serve any
*useful* purpose, to start with.)

CCleaner's only real strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in
its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard
drive. It differs from the native Windows tool in that it allows more
granular control and you can specify which folders you want scanned. For
instance, WinXP's disk cleaner will examine only the profile folders of
the user who is running the utility. On a single-user machine, this is
fine, but on a family or other mult-use machine, the ability to clean
temorary files from all of the user profiles at once is a great time saver.


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SC Tom

Flightless Bird
Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:#2FA9MulKHA.5656@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> SC Tom wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
>> system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
>> leave my system unbootable when it is done?
>
> OneCare & Windows Live Safety Center online scans.
>
>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
>> that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
>> work anymore?...
>
> How about the thousands of users who ended up with horked installs of
> Office after running a Windows Live Safety Center scan?
>
>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a registry
>> cleaner will make my system worse than before I started (timings are
>> good).
>
> See above. Also see this discussion:
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
>

I didn't ask that; Jose did. My reply is at the bottom of that post :)
--
SC Tom
 
D

Daave

Flightless Bird
Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

SC Tom wrote:
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#2FA9MulKHA.5656@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> SC Tom wrote:
>>> Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
>>> system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
>>> leave my system unbootable when it is done?
>>
>> OneCare & Windows Live Safety Center online scans.
>>
>>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
>>> that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
>>> work anymore?...
>>
>> How about the thousands of users who ended up with horked installs of
>> Office after running a Windows Live Safety Center scan?
>>
>>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a
>>> registry cleaner will make my system worse than before I started
>>> (timings are good).
>>
>> See above. Also see this discussion:
>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
>>
>
> I didn't ask that; Jose did. My reply is at the bottom of that post
> :)

That is frustrating! I hate when that happens! :)

If you look at the attribution levels in your post, I can see how PA
Bear thought those were your words. This confusion is the result of two
things that don't play well with Usenet:

1. Jose posted from Google Groups, which appearently uses the incorrect
Quoted Printable format.

2. You responded to Jose's problematic post (in that it is in the QP
format) using a news reader (Outlook Express, usually, but Windows Live
Mail in your case) that has difficulty allowing for this kind of
situation. I also use OE, but since I also use Quote-Fix, the
attribution levels are shifted to where they should be (that is, if I
were replying directly to Jose). Notice John John's reply to Jose. Its
attribution marks are where they should be, too (he uses Thunderbird).
 
S

SC Tom

Flightless Bird
Re: CCleaner use on Registry ??

"Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
news:-OG$jf4vlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> SC Tom wrote:
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:#2FA9MulKHA.5656@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> SC Tom wrote:
>>>> Can anyone tell me any registry cleaner I can run that will delete
>>>> system files or other files without my knowledge/consent that will
>>>> leave my system unbootable when it is done?
>>>
>>> OneCare & Windows Live Safety Center online scans.
>>>
>>>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of any Windows function
>>>> that works and then after a registry cleaner, the function does not
>>>> work anymore?...
>>>
>>> How about the thousands of users who ended up with horked installs of
>>> Office after running a Windows Live Safety Center scan?
>>>
>>>> Can anyone provide an example (not a rumor) of how running a
>>>> registry cleaner will make my system worse than before I started
>>>> (timings are good).
>>>
>>> See above. Also see this discussion:
>>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
>>>
>>
>> I didn't ask that; Jose did. My reply is at the bottom of that post
>> :)
>
> That is frustrating! I hate when that happens! :)
>
> If you look at the attribution levels in your post, I can see how PA Bear
> thought those were your words. This confusion is the result of two things
> that don't play well with Usenet:
>
> 1. Jose posted from Google Groups, which appearently uses the incorrect
> Quoted Printable format.
>
> 2. You responded to Jose's problematic post (in that it is in the QP
> format) using a news reader (Outlook Express, usually, but Windows Live
> Mail in your case) that has difficulty allowing for this kind of
> situation. I also use OE, but since I also use Quote-Fix, the attribution
> levels are shifted to where they should be (that is, if I were replying
> directly to Jose). Notice John John's reply to Jose. Its attribution marks
> are where they should be, too (he uses Thunderbird).
>

That was why I placed a line of equal signs between the end of his post and
mine. Guess I should have explained what that was for, or made a note like
<end post> <reply start>.
Tried T'bird- didn't like it. I've never heard of Quote-Fix. I'll have to
look that up.
--
SC Tom
 
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